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The faith developed through prayers and songs using the superpowers of God for solutions will not stand forever because God will not answer always for the prayers, songs and crying with tears. People become addicted for such ways. The child will weep every time for the chocolate, which is habituated for that path. The child intensifies the

process of weeping if the chocolate is delayed! Initially the child is attracted by chocolates to go to the school for some days. The child has become young person but did not cross the first standard of the school, because the child concentrated only on the art of weeping to get the chocolates. The person became postgraduate and even a Ph.D. degree holder in the course of begging and weeping for chocolates. The person became an exceptional scholar and developed several talents in praising the Lord, crying for the Lord, singing and music on the Lord, meditation and concentration on the Lord with mind, chanting the name for millions of times, writing the name of Lord for millions of times, chanting some letters (Beejaksharas or mantras), drawing some design diagrams on metallic plates (Yantras), doing worship following certain special ways of technology (Tantras) and so on. These discoveries and developments are tremendous and as many as the developments in Science and

Technology! Ofcourse, all these are good psychological ways of solutions in treating certain psycho-patients with fixed notions to give mental relief of stress and confidence. All these ways are good, if the person is without aspiration of any fruit from God in return. Such love is real. But the real love is expressed in terms of sacrifice of work and sacrifice of fruit of work as seen in the case of your love on your children. If such practical expression exists, all the above theoretical expression of love through words and mind can be associated as a plate of meals is associated

with a cup of drinking water. Therefore, in propagating the divine path, you should appeal to anyone only through knowledge and logical analysis and systematic scientific approach. Avoid all the above means, which are theoretical and political ways of exploitation of one’s weakness. God is certainly above science and logic, because He is beyond creation and nature. But, God follows always the ways of nature, which are logical and scientific, following the path of justice. In a rare and exceptional case, He uses the superpower, which is also not against the justice. He suffers for your

sin and thus the justice of wheel of deeds is always upheld by Him even in the exceptional use of the superpower. at lotus feet of swami posted by surya

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Dear Surya, I always cannot accept the idea that Gods has to suffer for our sins. Is it logical? Dont you believe that there are causes and effects??? Love, Taraprakki surya <dattapr2000 wrote: The faith developed through prayers and songs using the superpowers of God for solutions will not stand

forever because God will not answer always for the prayers, songs and crying with tears. People become addicted for such ways. The child will weep every time for the chocolate, which is habituated for that path. The child intensifies the process of weeping if the chocolate is delayed! Initially the child is attracted by chocolates to go to the school for some days. The child has become young person but did not cross the first standard of the school, because the child concentrated only on the art of weeping to get the chocolates. The person became postgraduate and even a Ph.D. degree holder in the course of begging and weeping for chocolates. The person became an exceptional scholar and developed several talents in

praising the Lord, crying for the Lord, singing and music on the Lord, meditation and concentration on the Lord with mind, chanting the name for millions of times, writing the name of Lord for millions of times, chanting some letters (Beejaksharas or mantras), drawing some design diagrams on metallic plates (Yantras), doing worship following certain special ways of technology (Tantras) and so on. These discoveries and developments are tremendous and as many as the developments in Science and Technology! Ofcourse, all these are good psychological ways of solutions in treating certain psycho-patients with fixed notions to give mental relief of stress and confidence. All these ways are good, if the person

is without aspiration of any fruit from God in return. Such love is real. But the real love is expressed in terms of sacrifice of work and sacrifice of fruit of work as seen in the case of your love on your children. If such practical expression exists, all the above theoretical expression of love through words and mind can be associated as a plate of meals is associated with a cup of drinking water. Therefore, in propagating the divine path, you should appeal to anyone only through knowledge and logical analysis and systematic scientific approach. Avoid all the above means, which are theoretical and political ways of exploitation of one’s weakness. God is certainly above science and logic, because He is

beyond creation and nature. But, God follows always the ways of nature, which are logical and scientific, following the path of justice. In a rare and exceptional case, He uses the superpower, which is also not against the justice. He suffers for your sin and thus the justice of wheel of deeds is always upheld by Him even in the exceptional use of the superpower. at lotus feet of swami posted by surya TV dinner still cooling?Check out "Tonight's Picks" on TV.

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If I may add my $0.02.... " God help those who help

themselves " .

 

Of course if I do not take any proactive action on my

part for my problems, then I cannot expect God to help

me. But if I take whatever action which I can and the

thing I seekth is not evil, then I believe that God

will help me.

 

I believe that if with love devotion and sincerity,

Amma will not turn us away. She is always full of

compassion and keeps her watchful eyes over us.

 

That is why we have miracles. I will not delve into

whether a miracle emnates from the powers of the mind,

sub-conscious blah blah.....I am no psychologist.

 

" Where reason ends, faith begins " .

 

Om Sri Maha Mariamman

mike

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- norguma tara <tara_norguma wrote:

 

> Dear Surya,

> I always cannot accept the idea that Gods has to

> suffer for our sins. Is it logical? Dont you

> believe that there are causes and effects???

>

> Love,

> Tara

>

> prakki surya <dattapr2000 wrote:

> The faith developed through prayers and

> songs using the superpowers of God for solutions

> will not stand forever because God will not answer

> always for the prayers, songs and crying with tears.

> People become addicted for such ways.

>

> The child will weep every time for the chocolate,

> which is habituated for that path. The child

> intensifies the process of weeping if the chocolate

> is delayed! Initially the child is attracted by

> chocolates to go to the school for some days. The

> child has become young person but did not cross the

> first standard of the school, because the child

> concentrated only on the art of weeping to get the

> chocolates. The person became postgraduate and even

> a Ph.D. degree holder in the course of begging and

> weeping for chocolates. The person became an

> exceptional scholar and developed several talents in

> praising the Lord, crying for the Lord, singing and

> music on the Lord, meditation and concentration on

> the Lord with mind, chanting the name for millions

> of times, writing the name of Lord for millions of

> times, chanting some letters (Beejaksharas or

> mantras), drawing some design diagrams on metallic

> plates (Yantras), doing worship following certain

> special ways of technology (Tantras)

> and so on. These discoveries and developments are

> tremendous and as many as the developments in

> Science and Technology!

>

> Ofcourse, all these are good psychological ways of

> solutions in treating certain psycho-patients with

> fixed notions to give mental relief of stress and

> confidence. All these ways are good, if the person

> is without aspiration of any fruit from God in

> return. Such love is real. But the real love is

> expressed in terms of sacrifice of work and

> sacrifice of fruit of work as seen in the case of

> your love on your children. If such practical

> expression exists, all the above theoretical

> expression of love through words and mind can be

> associated as a plate of meals is associated with a

> cup of drinking water.

>

> Therefore, in propagating the divine path, you

> should appeal to anyone only through knowledge and

> logical analysis and systematic scientific approach.

> Avoid all the above means, which are theoretical and

> political ways of exploitation of one’s weakness.

> God is certainly above science and logic, because He

> is beyond creation and nature. But, God follows

> always the ways of nature, which are logical and

> scientific, following the path of justice. In a rare

> and exceptional case, He uses the superpower, which

> is also not against the justice. He suffers for your

> sin and thus the justice of wheel of deeds is always

> upheld by Him even in the exceptional use of the

> superpower.

>

> at lotus feet of swami

> posted by surya

>

>

> TV dinner still cooling?

> Check out " Tonight's Picks " on TV.

>

>

>

>

>

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list.

 

 

 

 

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Namaste Surya:I would like to be perfectly selfless and pray to the goddess for the highest motivations at all times. Unfortunately I am not perfect. I think that sometimes we approach God/Goddess with selfish reasons, and I believe that if we begin a practice that God/Goddess will begin the inner transformation within us. We slowly gradually become selfless. It does not happen overnight.Of course God/Goddess wants us to get our rear in gear and find what we need, but there are times when no matter how hard we search, we cannot get what we need in life. Selfish or not we sometimes turn to God/Goddess, and he/she transforms us. Then we realize that what we first wanted was not what we need or we find other ways to create abundance or we find out what true abundance is.Shanti Om,Shankari Kaliprakki surya <dattapr2000 wrote: The faith developed through prayers and songs using the superpowers of God for solutions will not stand forever because God will not answer always for the prayers, songs and crying with tears. People become addicted for such ways. The child will weep every time for the chocolate, which is habituated for that path. The child intensifies the process of weeping if the chocolate is delayed! Initially the child is attracted by chocolates to go to the school for some days. The child has become young person but did not cross the first standard of the school, because the child concentrated only on the art of weeping to get the chocolates. The person became postgraduate and even a Ph.D. degree holder in the course of begging and weeping for chocolates. The person became an exceptional scholar and developed several talents in praising the Lord, crying for the Lord, singing and music on the Lord, meditation and concentration on the Lord with mind, chanting the name for millions of times, writing the name of Lord for millions of times, chanting some letters (Beejaksharas or mantras), drawing some design diagrams on metallic plates (Yantras), doing worship following certain special ways

of technology (Tantras) and so on. These discoveries and developments are tremendous and as many as the developments in Science and Technology! Ofcourse, all these are good psychological ways of solutions in treating certain psycho-patients with fixed notions to give mental relief of stress and confidence. All these ways are good, if the person is without aspiration of any fruit from God in return. Such love is real. But the real love is expressed in terms of sacrifice of work and sacrifice of fruit of work as seen in the case of your love on your children. If such practical expression exists, all the above theoretical expression of love through words and mind can be associated as a

plate of meals is associated with a cup of drinking water. Therefore, in propagating the divine path, you should appeal to anyone only through knowledge and logical analysis and systematic scientific approach. Avoid all the above means, which are theoretical and political ways of exploitation of one’s weakness. God is certainly above science and logic, because He is beyond creation and nature. But, God follows always the ways of nature, which are logical and scientific, following the path of justice. In a rare and exceptional case, He uses the superpower, which is also not against the justice. He suffers for your sin and thus the justice of wheel of deeds is always upheld by Him

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Should we not ask god for help? If you are ordinary person you should follow the rules of your deeds and nature. If you are a devotee, even then, you should not ask God for help. Your devotion must not aspire any result. You are asking God for help means that you want God to violate his own natural rules. The impression of millions of angles and sages is disturbed if God violates his own rules. That will give a poor impression on God. You are putting God to inconvenience by forcing him to use his supernatural power. Whether you are a devotee or not, you must always try to solve your problems by putting your best

effort. If you fail, even then, do not ask God to help you. Then, you think that it is your fate and worship God as usual. Arjuna was fighting with his grandfather, Bhishma. Arjuna was not putting up his best effort to kill Bhishma. He was having sympathy to Bhishma, who has brought up Arjuna. Noting this, Krishna took His Sudarshana chakra and ran to kill Bhishma. That means the Lord tried to solve the problem of Arjuna through His divine power. Arjuna did not agree to this and forced Krishna to stop, because Arjuna knew about his inadequate effort. But when Sindhava was to be killed, Arjuna tried his best, because Arjuna took an oath to kill Sindhava before sunset and otherwise he promised that he would enter the fire. Since the sunset took place apparently due to the Maya of Krishna, Arjuna stopped fighting and wanted to enter the

fire. He was just going to jump into the fire but he never asked for help. He thought that was his fate. Therefore, the Lord helped him secretly. Therefore, if you put your best effort, still fail because it is beyond your limits, if you happen to be a real devotee and do not ask for the help from God, then you will be helped by the super power secretly. The secrecy is due to preservation of the sacredness of his administration in the eyes of others. at lotus feet of swami suryaShankari Kali <shankari_kali wrote: Namaste Surya:I would like to be perfectly selfless and pray to the goddess for the highest motivations at all times. Unfortunately I am not perfect. I think that sometimes we approach God/Goddess with selfish reasons, and I believe that if we begin a practice that God/Goddess will begin the inner transformation within us. We slowly gradually become selfless. It does not happen overnight.Of course God/Goddess wants us to get our rear in gear and find what we need, but there are times when no matter how hard we search, we cannot get what we need in life. Selfish or not we sometimes turn to God/Goddess, and he/she transforms us. Then we realize that what we first wanted was not what we need or we

find other ways to create abundance or we find out what true abundance is.Shanti Om,Shankari Kaliprakki surya <dattapr2000 > wrote: The faith developed through prayers and songs using the superpowers of God for solutions will not stand forever because God will not answer always for the prayers, songs and crying with tears. People become addicted for such ways. The child will weep every time for the

chocolate, which is habituated for that path. The child intensifies the process of weeping if the chocolate is delayed! Initially the child is attracted by chocolates to go to the school for some days. The child has become young person but did not cross the first standard of the school, because the child concentrated only on the art of weeping to get the chocolates. The person became postgraduate and even a Ph.D. degree holder in the course of begging and weeping for chocolates. The person became an exceptional scholar and developed several talents in praising the Lord, crying for the Lord, singing and music on the Lord, meditation and concentration on the Lord with mind, chanting the name for millions of times, writing the name of Lord for millions of times, chanting some letters (Beejaksharas or mantras), drawing some design diagrams on metallic plates (Yantras), doing worship following certain special ways of technology (Tantras) and so on. These discoveries and

developments are tremendous and as many as the developments in Science and Technology! Ofcourse, all these are good psychological ways of solutions in treating certain psycho-patients with fixed notions to give mental relief of stress and confidence. All these ways are good, if the person is without aspiration of any fruit from God in return. Such love is real. But the real love is expressed in terms of sacrifice of work and sacrifice of fruit of work as seen in the case of your love on your children. If such practical expression exists, all the above theoretical expression of love through words and mind can be associated as a plate of meals is associated with a cup of drinking

water. Therefore, in propagating the divine path, you should appeal to anyone only through knowledge and logical analysis and systematic scientific approach. Avoid all the above means, which are theoretical and political ways of exploitation of one’s weakness. God is certainly above science and logic, because He is beyond creation and nature. But, God follows always the ways of nature, which are logical and scientific, following the path of justice. In a rare and exceptional case, He uses the superpower, which is also not against the justice. He suffers for your sin and thus the justice of wheel of deeds is always upheld by Him even in the exceptional use of the

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Hello friend It is a noble idea that God should not suffer for our sins. A statue cannot test your real essence in the sacrifice. When you offer food to a statue the sacrifice is only by

words and by mind but when you sacrifice the food to the human incarnation the sacrifice is real because the human form of the Lord eats the food. Thus the reality of the worship comes out only when the Lord is in human form. Sakthuprastha was tested by the Lord in human form and not by the statue. The real love requires the unhappiness by sacrifice. In such sacrifice one feels happy since he sacrificed to the Lord. You take the mother. She gives the food to her child and suffers with hunger. But she feels very happy in that suffering. A human being cannot give back any thing for such real love. Even if he gives something i.e., temporary only. But when the real love is proved by the sacrifice the Lord gives the permanent fruit i.e., Brahma

Loka. Sakthuprashta gave his food to the Lord in human form though he was not having food for the past ten days. If the guest was an ordinary human being, the guest must have been a sadist, because he never cared about the hunger of Sakthuprastha. So, when a devotee identifies the contemporary human incarnation by Brahma Jnana and serves in His mission as servant without expecting anything in return, then Lord suffers the sins of that devotee secretly even without the devotee's notice. Service means sacrifice of money and physical participation in His mission. Service is the proof of the real love. Service means sacrifice of work and sacrifice of fruit of work. The mother serves her child by sacrifice of work like giving bath, dressing etc., for years together

continuously. The father serves the child by sacrifice of fruit of his entire hard work. It is a clear practical point that the proof of the real love is only service. If you serve your family, you love your family. If you serve the entire world, you love the creation. If you serve the God, you love the God and this is only devotion. at lotus feet of swami surya norguma tara <tara_norguma wrote: Dear Surya, I always

cannot accept the idea that Gods has to suffer for our sins. Is it logical? Dont you believe that there are causes and effects??? Love, Taraprakki surya <dattapr2000 > wrote: The faith developed through prayers and songs using the superpowers of God for solutions will not stand forever because God will not answer always for the prayers, songs and crying with tears. People become addicted for such ways. The child will weep every time for the chocolate, which is habituated for that path. The child intensifies the process of weeping if the chocolate is delayed! Initially the child is attracted by chocolates to go to the school for some days. The child has become young person but did not cross the first standard of the school, because the child concentrated only on the art of weeping to get the chocolates. The person became postgraduate and even a Ph.D. degree holder in the course of begging and weeping for chocolates. The person became an exceptional scholar and developed several talents in praising the Lord, crying for the Lord, singing and music on the Lord, meditation and concentration on the Lord with mind, chanting the name for millions of times, writing the name of Lord for millions of times, chanting some letters (Beejaksharas or mantras), drawing some design diagrams on metallic plates (Yantras), doing worship

following certain special ways of technology (Tantras) and so on. These discoveries and developments are tremendous and as many as the developments in Science and Technology! Ofcourse, all these are good psychological ways of solutions in treating certain psycho-patients with fixed notions to give mental relief of stress and confidence. All these ways are good, if the person is without aspiration of any fruit from God in return. Such love is real. But the real love is expressed in terms of sacrifice of work and sacrifice of fruit of work as seen in the case of your love on your children. If such practical expression exists, all the above theoretical expression of love through words and mind can be

associated as a plate of meals is associated with a cup of drinking water. Therefore, in propagating the divine path, you should appeal to anyone only through knowledge and logical analysis and systematic scientific approach. Avoid all the above means, which are theoretical and political ways of exploitation of one’s weakness. God is certainly above science and logic, because He is beyond creation and nature. But, God follows always the ways of nature, which are logical and scientific, following the path of justice. In a rare and exceptional case, He uses the superpower, which is also not against the justice. He suffers for your sin and thus the justice of wheel of deeds is always upheld by Him even in

the exceptional use of the superpower. at lotus feet of swami posted by surya TV dinner still cooling?Check out "Tonight's Picks" on TV. We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love(and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list.

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Even in the small matters of this world, we analyze with reason and logic before we follow it and we say that we should not be emotional in taking any decision. Then how much logical we should be in such great spiritual effort, if you want to attain real success? God is beyond logic. This means that the actions of God are beyond the normal logical analysis of human beings. His actions appear to be beyond the capacity of logic but it does not mean that they are illogical and unjust. When scholars discuss deeply, the actions are found to be really justified. For example Krishna danced with Gopikas. This action appears to be illogical and unjust because our power of vision is limited to this birth only. These Gopikas were sages in previous birth and

requested the Lord to give salvation from all the bonds like bond between husband and wife, bond between parents and children and bond with money. Krishna attracted their children and stole butter, which was their hard earned money. Ordinary human beings who cannot see beyond this birth can never understand these actions. Beyond logic means not illogical but superlogical. Beyond justice does not mean unjust but superjustice. Science analyses every item of creation and with the help of such analysis we can know that every item of creation is not

God. Science cannot show what is God but it can show clearly what is not God. There is no item in the creation, which is not analysed by science. Therefore, any item of the creation is not God. Even the so-called philosophy has not shown God. It has shown only what is not God. Veda says that the sages who were greatest philosophers rejected every item of creation as not God (Neti… Neti…). They have concluded that God is beyond words, mind, intelligence, logic and even any type of imagination. Thus, both philosophy and science fail to give any positive information about the God. Thus, you should not reject both philosophy and science because even if they have not shown God, atleast they have shown that every item in the creation is not God. Thus, these two have helped us in not falling in the illusion by which we may think that some item like awareness, which is very near to unimaginability is God. Some people are misleading devotees by telling that since God is beyond logic, logic should not be entertained. This is a very dangerous statement. This means that you should leave logic and blindly follow whatever nonsense is preached. Even though logic may not help in

finding the real nature of God, at least the logic will help to identify and reject the nonsense, which is the matter of items other than God and thus prevent you in not falling in the trap of such nonsense. You should have the weapon of logic in your hands so that you are not mislead into wrong path, though logic does not show you the right path. at lotus feet of swami surya racquel darrian <penthouse_pet_2000 wrote: If I may add my $0.02...."God help those

who helpthemselves".Of course if I do not take any proactive action on mypart for my problems, then I cannot expect God to helpme. But if I take whatever action which I can and thething I seekth is not evil, then I believe that Godwill help me. I believe that if with love devotion and sincerity,Amma will not turn us away. She is always full ofcompassion and keeps her watchful eyes over us.That is why we have miracles. I will not delve intowhether a miracle emnates from the powers of the mind,sub-conscious blah blah.....I am no psychologist."Where reason ends, faith begins".Om Sri Maha Mariammanmike .

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Namaste:I am a philosopher and a scientist and I deeply love the Divine Mother.I have to hesitate for a moment when a spiritual person attempts to alienate science from spirituality. Why do they need to be at odds with one another? Why must one choose to surrender science over religion? Is god so narrow that he/she cannot use the actions of the scientist for his/her work?Buddha was a great philosopher, and Maharshi Ramani became enlightened by thinking through who he thought he was. Is this not philosophy? If Thoreau becomes enlightened by thinking about life by a pond, is his enlightenment any less than one who is devoted to a god of some sort?I would hesitate to condemn any man or any path including science and philosophy. The sacred touch is woven through creation, and any man who seeks the answers of creation is searching for the keys of the universe. How is this not sacred?Shanti Om,Shankari Kaliprakki surya

<dattapr2000 wrote: Even in the small matters of this world, we analyze with reason and logic before we follow it and we say that we should not be emotional in taking any decision. Then how much logical we should be in such great spiritual effort, if you want to attain real success? God is beyond logic. This means that the actions of God are beyond the normal logical analysis of human beings. His actions appear to be beyond the capacity of logic but it does not mean that they are illogical and unjust. When scholars discuss deeply, the actions are found to be really justified. For example Krishna danced with Gopikas. This action appears to be illogical and unjust because our power of vision is limited to this birth only. These Gopikas were sages in previous birth and requested the Lord to give salvation from all the bonds like bond between husband and wife, bond between parents and children and bond with money. Krishna attracted their children and stole butter, which was their

hard earned money. Ordinary human beings who cannot see beyond this birth can never understand these actions. Beyond logic means not illogical but superlogical. Beyond justice does not mean unjust but superjustice. Science analyses every item of creation and with the help of such analysis we can know that every item of creation is not God. Science cannot show what is God but it can show clearly what is not God. There is no item in the creation, which is not analysed by science. Therefore, any item of the creation is not God. Even the so-called philosophy has not shown God. It has shown only what is not God. Veda says that the sages who were greatest

philosophers rejected every item of creation as not God (Neti… Neti…). They have concluded that God is beyond words, mind, intelligence, logic and even any type of imagination. Thus, both philosophy and science fail to give any positive information about the God. Thus, you should not reject both philosophy and science because even if they have not shown God, atleast they have shown that every item in the creation is not God. Thus, these two have helped us in not falling in the illusion by which we may think that some item like awareness,

which is very near to unimaginability is God. Some people are misleading devotees by telling that since God is beyond logic, logic should not be entertained. This is a very dangerous statement. This means that you should leave logic and blindly follow whatever nonsense is preached. Even though logic may not help in finding the real nature of God, at least the logic will help to identify and reject the nonsense, which is the matter of items other than God and thus prevent you in not falling in the trap of such nonsense. You should have the weapon of logic

in your hands so that you are not mislead into wrong path, though logic does not show you the right path. at lotus feet of swami surya racquel darrian <penthouse_pet_2000 > wrote: If I may add my $0.02...."God help those who helpthemselves".Of course if I do not take any proactive action on mypart for my problems, then I cannot expect God to helpme. But if I take whatever action which I can and thething I seekth is not evil, then I believe that Godwill help me. I believe that if with love devotion and sincerity,Amma will not turn us away. She is always full ofcompassion and keeps her watchful eyes over us.That is why we have miracles. I will not delve intowhether a miracle emnates from

the powers of the mind,sub-conscious blah blah.....I am no psychologist."Where reason ends, faith begins".Om Sri Maha Mariammanmike . 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Search movie showtime shortcut.

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Dear sir Namaste. Thank you for your reply. Please see below, how science and philosophy can be correlated. Science is the logical analysis of the items existing in this creation based on only one authority that is perception (Pratyaksha Pramanam). Even in the ancient logic, all the authorities (Pramanas) are based on perception only. You see the fire giving smoke. This is deduction or perception. When you see the smoke coming from a distance and do not see the fire, you say that fire exists there and this is induction or inference (Anumana Pramanam). But this induction is based on your previous deduction only. Somebody says to you that fire gives smoke. If that person is your dearest, you believe it and infer the fire from the smoke. This is authority of word

‘Shabdha Pramanam’. Though you have not seen the fire, your dearest person has seen the smoke coming from fire. Like this all the authorities are based on perception only. I do not find any scripture of any Religion, which contradicts the experience of perception. There are four ways of authority. 1) Sruthi, which is the original scripture. 2) Smrithi, which is the commentaries of Scholars on the original scripture. 3) Yukthi, the logical analysis based on deduction, induction etc., 4) Anubhava, the experience based on the

perception of the items in this world, which may be direct or indirect. Out of these four ways, the fourth way is the most powerful. If anything contradicts the fourth way, that is not valid or it may be a misinterpretation based on misunderstanding of the Sruthi or Smrithi or Yukthi. Thus Science and Philosophy are not separate. The very frame of the spiritual knowledge is Science only. Thus Science is the basic foundation and over all underlying structure of all the Scriptures. A true Scientist should always stand on the perception and should not deny the experience derived by perception. If he denies, he is not a scientist. All top most scientists were philosophers and spiritual people only. Those scientists have travelled along the river of Science and reached its end, which is the ocean of spiritual knowledge called as philosophy. Philosophy is pervading all the branches of Science. Every branch of Science gives Ph.D as the final degree. Ph.D means Doctor in Philosophy. If Science and Philosophy are different, why this word Philosophy is regarded so much by all the branches of Science? Philosophy means the essence of the knowledge of every branch that is experienced when one reaches the end of that branch. at lotus feet of swami suryaShankari Kali <shankari_kali wrote: Namaste:I am a philosopher and a scientist and I deeply love the Divine Mother.I have to hesitate for a moment when a spiritual person attempts to alienate science from spirituality. Why do they need to be at odds with one another? Why must one choose to surrender science over religion? Is god so narrow that he/she cannot use the actions of the scientist for his/her work?Buddha was a great philosopher, and Maharshi Ramani became enlightened by thinking through who he thought he was. Is this not philosophy? If Thoreau becomes enlightened by thinking about life by a pond, is his enlightenment any less than one who is devoted to a god of some sort?I would hesitate to condemn any man or any path including science and

philosophy. The sacred touch is woven through creation, and any man who seeks the answers of creation is searching for the keys of the universe. How is this not sacred?Shanti Om,Shankari Kaliprakki surya <dattapr2000 > wrote: Even in the small matters of this world, we analyze with reason and logic before we follow it and we say that we should not be emotional in taking any decision. Then how much logical we should be in such great spiritual effort, if you want to attain real success? God is beyond

logic. This means that the actions of God are beyond the normal logical analysis of human beings. His actions appear to be beyond the capacity of logic but it does not mean that they are illogical and unjust. When scholars discuss deeply, the actions are found to be really justified. For example Krishna danced with Gopikas. This action appears to be illogical and unjust because our power of vision is limited to this birth only. These Gopikas were sages in previous birth and requested the Lord to give salvation from all the bonds like bond between husband and wife, bond between parents and children and bond with money. Krishna attracted their children and stole butter, which was their hard earned money. Ordinary human beings who cannot see beyond this birth can never understand

these actions. Beyond logic means not illogical but superlogical. Beyond justice does not mean unjust but superjustice. Science analyses every item of creation and with the help of such analysis we can know that every item of creation is not God. Science cannot show what is God but it can show clearly what is not God. There is no item in the creation, which is not analysed by science. Therefore, any item of the creation is not God. Even the so-called philosophy has not shown God. It has shown only what is not God. Veda says that the sages who were greatest philosophers rejected every item of creation as not God (Neti… Neti…). They have concluded that God is beyond

words, mind, intelligence, logic and even any type of imagination. Thus, both philosophy and science fail to give any positive information about the God. Thus, you should not reject both philosophy and science because even if they have not shown God, atleast they have shown that every item in the creation is not God. Thus, these two have helped us in not falling in the illusion by which we may think that some item like awareness, which is very near to unimaginability is God. Some people are misleading devotees by telling that since God is beyond logic, logic should not be entertained. This is a very dangerous statement. This means that you should leave logic and blindly follow whatever nonsense is preached. Even though logic may not help in finding the real nature of God, at least the logic will help to identify and reject the nonsense, which is the matter of items other than God and thus prevent you in not falling in the trap of such nonsense. You should have the weapon of logic in your hands so that you are not mislead into wrong path, though logic does not show you the right path. at lotus feet

of swami surya .

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