Guest guest Posted August 8, 2009 Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 Dear Dr,That is quite a rant! you have it all figured out. So good luck to you!Y/sRick Brown's iPhonewww.richardshawbrown.comOn Aug 8, 2009, at 4:04 PM, rajeev Rajeev <airavat15 wrote:Dear Sir,I have quoted the slokas,from Rig Veda, the seed of Varna/Caste is laid down there2) the slokas of Manusmriti is quoted,where it was glorified and put into practice and rule.3) The slokas from Gita is also mentioned, where finally work according to Varna,and Varna according to birth is very well defined. The intellectuals of non vedic religion/societywellcomed this, due to obvious benifits from this rule, as a result the vedic social sytem was firmly established in India.Thus the seed of casteism ,which was laid down at Rig Veda, grown up and taken a final shape in Gita. As a result of this Gita is Honoured as "VEDANTA",the end of Veda.The poor non Vedic people left out were termed as "BUDDHU", who embraced Islam,as they had no place in Vedic religion.You intelligent and highly educated people with your various organisations are now again playing tricks, to fool the people.But the days are limited. Intelligent educated people took thousand years to establish this evil rules of Vedas(the ocean of knowledge),definitely it will take time to bring unified Hindu social system.However, Mahaprabhu Sree Chaitanya Dev was against caste, Bhagwan Sree Ramkrishna Dev was against caste, but could not succeed to eradicate it due to his intelligent and educated followers.Whatever you try to spin the story,it will not help.So please please stop misguiding the people in the nam of Hindu Dharma.Hindu dharma never recognize casteism, except one of its contituent Vedic religion. Hence, please stop chanting Vedic and Vedic,Look at Agamaas also. However I am proud that the oldest literature on religion/society is recorded in this India by Indians only, not by any outsiders , as being tried to brand as an Aryan Religion.The Europians are now trying to rob it from India and trying to stamp it as their product. Which will not be allowed under any circumstances.In case you are really sincere and a believer of One God, Kindly stand up to fight against this evil practice, let us work together and redefine Hinduism.With kind regards.Dr. Rajeev Agnihotri--- On Fri, 7/8/09, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote:Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 Re: Footnote - page 1257 in Srimad Bhagavatam by GITA PRESSsacred-objects Date: Friday, 7 August, 2009, 5:16 PM Dear Sir! Clarify WHAT? Yes, Veda-Purana- Itihas ALL mention the 4 Varnas. OK? But they do not say the Varna is determined by BIRTH!* No where do Vedas qualify Varna by "janma". That is non-sense. Krishna clearly says, "chatur-varnam maya-sristam GUNA KARMA vibhagashah" - Varna is determined by two things, GUNA and KARMA... NOT BY JANMA! Y/s, Richard sacred-objects, rajeev Rajeev <airavat15@. ..> wrote: > > My Dear Sir, > > I appealed to you,to clrify,not for counter question. > > Yes, it is simple english. Do you support this or not? > > Yes or No is sufficient for me to understand. > > With kind regards > > Dr. Rajeev Agnihotri > > --- On Fri, 7/8/09, Rick Brown <rsbj66 wrote: > > Rick Brown <rsbj66 > Re: Re: Footnote - page 1257 in Srimad Bhagavatam by GITA PRESS > "sacred-objects" <sacred-objects> > Friday, 7 August, 2009, 3:27 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sriman, > The verses are clearly said. What is need of explanation? Don't you understand plain English? People might TRY to explain but in fact it is only their opinion. > > Rick Brown's iPhonewww.richardsh awbrow n.com > On Aug 7, 2009, at 9:00 PM, rajeev Rajeev <airavat15 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > respected Sir, > > How these following verses are explained, we will be very happy to learn on thises: > > > > Rig Veda, Mandala no.10, Sukta > no. 90; verses no.11 to 16, > > > > V.11 > > Various elements came out from Birat Purush., who became his > > Hands, Legs, Thighs, and Mouth? > > > > V.12 > > His mouth become Bramhin > > His arms/hands become Kshtriya, > > His Thighs are Vaishya > > His legs/foots are Sudra > > > > V.13 > > From his mind came out Moon > > From his eyes came out Sun > > From his mouth came out Indra and Agni > > From his pran(heart) came out Vayu(Air) > > > > V.14 > > From his head came out Heaven > > From his naval came out Antarikhsha( Sky) > > From his legs Earth came out. > > > > This is the Sukta where Bhamhin, Kshtriya, Vaishya and Sudra > > were mentioned for > the first time in Vedic literature. > > > > Next is Manu smriti > > > > 1st Chapter > > > > V. 9 > > God has created Bramhin from his mouth, Kshtriya from his > arms, > > Vaishya from his thighs,and sudra from his foot. > > > > V10 > > Education, fire sacrifice (yagna),to accept donation and > also to give donation > > Are the duties of Bramhin. > > > > V.11 > > Defending of people, to make donation, to perform Yagna thru > bramhan, > > Reading > of Vedas, and to be away from Vaishya (property/money) are the > > Duties of Kshtriya. > > > > V.12 > > Vaishyas to take care of cattles, to offer donation, to > perform yagna, to > > Study Vedas, to do cultivation and business etc. > > V.13 > > Only one duty is assigned to Shudras that is to serve > Bramhin, Kshtriya and Vaishya > > with all sincerity and devotion. > > > > V.14 > > In this Manusmriti, the details of duties, rules and > regulations, work/job etc have been described. > > > > V.15 > > Real Dharma is to adhere to the rules and regulations as > defined in Sruti and Smriti. Hence everybody must do their work according to > their caste for his own benefits. > > > > > > Bhagavat Gita: > > > > Chapter 16, V.23 and 24 > > > > V.23 > > Ignoring the precept of scriptures (Vedas, Smrities), he who > acts under the impulsion of passion, > > He does not attain > perfection, or happiness, or the supreme Goal. > > > > V.24 > > Therefore, the scripture (Veda, Smrities) is your authority > as regards the determination of what is to be done and what is not to be done. > > After understanding (your) duty as presented by scriptural > injunction, you ought to perform (your duty as Kshtriya) here. > > > > Chapter 18, V.7 > > > > V.7 > > The abandoning of daily obligatory acts is not justifiable. > Giving up that through > > Delusion is declared to be based on “Tamasâ€. > > > > V.23 > > The daily obligatory action which is performed without > attachment and without likes or dislikes by one who does not hanker for rewards, > that is said to be born of “Sattvaâ€. > > > > V.45 > > Being devoted to his own duties, man attains complete > success. > > > > V.47 > > One’s own duty (though defective), is superior to another’s > duty well performed. By performing a duty as dictated by one’s own nature, one > does not incur sin. > > > > > > V.48 > > O son of Kunti, one should not > give up the duty to which one is born, eventhough it is faulty > > > > Various people speaks in different way,we would like to know as per your explanation . > > > With kind regards. > > Dr. Rajeev Agnihotri > > --- On Fri, 7/8/09, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 > wrote: > > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 (AT) (DOT) . com> > Re: Footnote - page 1257 in Srimad Bhagavatam by GITA PRESS > sacred-objects > Friday, 7 August, 2009, 11:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > Sir, I do not "Know better than Prabhupada" BUT I do "Know Prabhupada" personally. I was his associate and we did entire "Nectar if Instruction" working together. I was with him day and night. Speaking mostly in Bengali." So I know Prabhupada, and in spite of what he wrote I can separate truth from fiction because I know Prabhupada personally. > > > > Prabhupada wrote bad-mouthing about 99% of everybody. He said Shankar was wrong, Vallabh was wrong, yogis are wrong, jnanis are wrong, Jains and Sikhs are wronmg, Vivakananda was wrong, Buddhists are called the worse names and are wrong, karmis are wrong, Gita Press is non-devotee (in spite of evidence), he also said his own senior Godbrothers were "MayavadisNon-devoteesBlack like gorrillaEnvious black snakes", and loads of other UNTRUE statements that are NOT a fact. I knew Prabhupada's Godbrothers and they had hands, legs, and were not snakes, nor Mayavadis. They were Vaishnava Sadhus. So if Prabhupada can bad-mouth his OWN SENIOR GODBROTHERS, they how could Gita Press possibly escape the onslaught? > > > > Prabhupada wanted people to read HIS Gita, not the competition (Gita Press) so it was a "marketing statement" plain and simple. > > > > Now I knew Prabhupada personally. And I knew Hanuman Prasad personally. So I'm in a good position to say. Have you ever met these illustrious individuals? NO? - Then I pity you!!! > > > > sacred-objects, "rnldef" <rnldef@> wrote: > > > > > > Have you ever considered writing a book on this subject explaining your views, for those of us who are interested but don't have the time or qualifications to do our own research? Taking into consideration of course the predictable ISKCON response of "you think you know more than Prabhupad?" or "you are just being blasphemous" .. > > > > > > If one googles C.L. Goswami or Goyandka and Bhaktivedanta, there are references to Srila Prabhupad having referred to Gita Press as full of Mayavad philosophy and advising his disciples not to read those books. > > > > > > sacred-objects, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > > > GITA PRESS: "Srimad Bhagavatam": 10th Canto: Page 1257 by C. L. Goswami, M. A., Sastri - footnote... > > > > > > > > * "Authoritative Vaisnava commentators like Sanatana Goswami, who are believed to have actually witnessed these Lilas of Sri Krsna and His beloved Gopis by the special grace of the Lord, have traced the following utterances to Sri Radha, on the basis of the Agni-Purana as well as on the strength of their own transcendent vision. Again, these utterances are believed to have escaped from lips of Sri Radha in a state of divine ecstasy (Divyonmada) . Which has no parallel anywhere and is the special monopoly of Sri Radha a unique personification of Mahabhava, the highest and purest form of divine Love. These utteraances have also been classified under various heads such as Ghitrajalpa, which have been clearly defined in standard works on poetics like the Ujjvala-nilamani of Rupa Goswami." > > > > > > > > ---> NOW TELL ME THAT IS WRITTEN BY an Advaitavadin SHANKARITE!? ?? Mr Goswami MUST not only be a Vaishnava, but a Gaudiya Vaishnava in particular - otherwise he couldn't know this information. > > > > > > > > Richard Shaw Brown, PG > > > > Musician, Designer, Gemologist & Author > > > > www.richardshawbrow n.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your new Email address! > > > > Grab the Email name you & #39;ve always wanted before someone else does! > > > > http://mail. promotions. / newdomains/ aa/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See the Web's breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Messages in this topic (5) > > > > Reply (via web post) > | > > Start a new topic > > > > > > > Get your new Email address! > > Grab the Email name you've always wanted before someone else does! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > Love Cricket? 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