Footnote - page 1257 in Srimad Bhagavatam by GITA PRESS

August 7, 2009

respected Sir,How these following verses are explained, we will be very happy to learn on thises:

Rig Veda, Mandala no.10, Sukta

no. 90; verses no.11 to 16, V.11

Various elements came out from Birat Purush., who became his

Hands, Legs, Thighs, and Mouth?

V.12

His mouth become Bramhin

His arms/hands become Kshtriya,

His Thighs are Vaishya

His legs/foots are Sudra

V.13

From his mind came out Moon

From his eyes came out Sun

From his mouth came out Indra and Agni

From his pran(heart) came out Vayu(Air)

V.14

From his head came out Heaven

From his naval came out Antarikhsha(Sky)

From his legs Earth came out.

This is the Sukta where Bhamhin, Kshtriya, Vaishya and Sudra

were mentioned for

the first time in Vedic literature.

Next is Manu smriti 1st Chapter V. 9

God has created Bramhin from his mouth, Kshtriya from his

arms,

Vaishya from his thighs,and sudra from his foot.

V10

Education, fire sacrifice (yagna),to accept donation and

also to give donation

Are the duties of Bramhin.

V.11

Defending of people, to make donation, to perform Yagna thru

bramhan,

Reading of Vedas, and to be away from Vaishya (property/money) are the

Duties of Kshtriya.

V.12

Vaishyas to take care of cattles, to offer donation, to

perform yagna, to

Study Vedas, to do cultivation and business etc.

V.13

Only one duty is assigned to Shudras that is to serve

Bramhin, Kshtriya and Vaishya

with all sincerity and devotion.

V.14

In this Manusmriti, the details of duties, rules and

regulations, work/job etc have been described.

V.15

Real Dharma is to adhere to the rules and regulations as

defined in Sruti and Smriti. Hence everybody must do their work according to

their caste for his own benefits.

Bhagavat Gita:

Chapter 16, V.23 and 24

V.23

Ignoring the precept of scriptures (Vedas, Smrities), he who

acts under the impulsion of passion,

He does not attain

perfection, or happiness, or the supreme Goal.

V.24

Therefore, the scripture (Veda, Smrities) is your authority

as regards the determination of what is to be done and what is not to be done.

After understanding (your) duty as presented by scriptural

injunction, you ought to perform (your duty as Kshtriya) here.

Chapter 18, V.7

V.7

The abandoning of daily obligatory acts is not justifiable.

Giving up that through

Delusion is declared to be based on â€œTamasâ€.

V.23

The daily obligatory action which is performed without

attachment and without likes or dislikes by one who does not hanker for rewards,

that is said to be born of â€œSattvaâ€.

V.45

Being devoted to his own duties, man attains complete

success.

V.47

Oneâ€™s own duty (though defective), is superior to anotherâ€™s

duty well performed. By performing a duty as dictated by oneâ€™s own nature, one

does not incur sin.

V.48 O son of Kunti, one should not

give up the duty to which one is born, eventhough it is faulty Various people speaks in different way,we would like to know as per your explanation . With kind regards.Dr. Rajeev Agnihotri--- On Fri, 7/8/09, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote:Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 Re: Footnote - page 1257 in Srimad Bhagavatam by GITA PRESSsacred-objects Date: Friday, 7 August, 2009, 11:59 AM

Sir, I do not "Know better than Prabhupada" BUT I do "Know Prabhupada" personally. I was his associate and we did entire "Nectar if Instruction" working together. I was with him day and night. Speaking mostly in Bengali." So I know Prabhupada, and in spite of what he wrote I can separate truth from fiction because I know Prabhupada personally.

Prabhupada wrote bad-mouthing about 99% of everybody. He said Shankar was wrong, Vallabh was wrong, yogis are wrong, jnanis are wrong, Jains and Sikhs are wronmg, Vivakananda was wrong, Buddhists are called the worse names and are wrong, karmis are wrong, Gita Press is non-devotee (in spite of evidence), he also said his own senior Godbrothers were "MayavadisNon-devoteesBlack like gorrillaEnvious black snakes", and loads of other UNTRUE statements that are NOT a fact. I knew Prabhupada's Godbrothers and they had hands, legs, and were not snakes, nor Mayavadis. They were Vaishnava Sadhus. So if Prabhupada can bad-mouth his OWN SENIOR GODBROTHERS, they how could Gita Press possibly escape the onslaught?

Prabhupada wanted people to read HIS Gita, not the competition (Gita Press) so it was a "marketing statement" plain and simple.

Now I knew Prabhupada personally. And I knew Hanuman Prasad personally. So I'm in a good position to say. Have you ever met these illustrious individuals? NO? - Then I pity you!!!

sacred-objects, "rnldef" <rnldef wrote:

>

> Have you ever considered writing a book on this subject explaining your views, for those of us who are interested but don't have the time or qualifications to do our own research? Taking into consideration of course the predictable ISKCON response of "you think you know more than Prabhupad?" or "you are just being blasphemous" ..

>

> If one googles C.L. Goswami or Goyandka and Bhaktivedanta, there are references to Srila Prabhupad having referred to Gita Press as full of Mayavad philosophy and advising his disciples not to read those books.

>

> sacred-objects, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@> wrote:

> >

> > GITA PRESS: "Srimad Bhagavatam": 10th Canto: Page 1257 by C. L. Goswami, M. A., Sastri - footnote...

> >

> > * "Authoritative Vaisnava commentators like Sanatana Goswami, who are believed to have actually witnessed these Lilas of Sri Krsna and His beloved Gopis by the special grace of the Lord, have traced the following utterances to Sri Radha, on the basis of the Agni-Purana as well as on the strength of their own transcendent vision. Again, these utterances are believed to have escaped from lips of Sri Radha in a state of divine ecstasy (Divyonmada) . Which has no parallel anywhere and is the special monopoly of Sri Radha a unique personification of Mahabhava, the highest and purest form of divine Love. These utteraances have also been classified under various heads such as Ghitrajalpa, which have been clearly defined in standard works on poetics like the Ujjvala-nilamani of Rupa Goswami."

> >

> > ---> NOW TELL ME THAT IS WRITTEN BY an Advaitavadin SHANKARITE!? ?? Mr Goswami MUST not only be a Vaishnava, but a Gaudiya Vaishnava in particular - otherwise he couldn't know this information.

> >

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August 7, 2009

Ole, the answer is totally simple: Prabhupada had his own mission, and he

bad-mouthed all the competition, specially his all senior Godbrothers, for ONE

REASON: To protect his OWN interest.

Before passing he called for two of his Godbrothers and in presence of witnesses

he asked their forgiveness for bad-mouthing them and asked them to convey this

apology to all his other Godbrothers. So what do YOU think? Why would he

apologize for telling the truth? Why would Prabhupada call for an " envious

black-snake non-devotee gorilla " to come see him in the first place??

First and foremost Prabhupada, ALL his life, was a business man, protecting his

own interests. So what else is new for any Empire Builders? Bad-mouth the

competition to further your own agenda.

I understand Prabhupada ... what's the mystery?

Y/s,

Richard

sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup wrote:

>

> Hi Richard,

>

> Why was Srila Prabhupada 'badmouthing'? Dont you think he really meant what he

said, why else would he badmouth including his own Godbrothers?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Ys, Ole

>

> ________________________________

> Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66

> sacred-objects

> Friday, 7 August, 2009 16:00:48

> Re: Footnote - page 1257 in Srimad Bhagavatam by

GITA PRESS

>

> Fanatical Mr. rnldef Sir,

>

> In fact, because of Prabhupada's published 'bad-mouthing' of Buddhism and

Buddhists so there is no possibility of Iskcon in Thailand. He also bad mouthed

ALL and EVERY other religion on Earth, including his own Godbrothers, whom he

bad-mouthed to hell and back. All his Godbrothers combined never said bad

against him, like he said against them.

>

> And if the many disciples of Prabhupada's own Godbrothers ever read what HDG

wrote about their Gurudevas, they would flip.

>

> No body, apart from his supporters, was free from Prabhupada's 'Ninda'. Just

try to find where Prabhupada says something nice about anyone else (besides his

supporters). .!? Can you find an instance?

>

> So be careful in trying to imitate Prabhupada's " marketing decisions " , because

many are NOT FACT.

>

> In fact, half the disciples of Prabhupada (but NOT me) are certain that

Prabhupada was *murdered by his own disciples* (which would be a despicable end

if true).

>

> So WHAT do you know by yourself??? Don't YOU know something? Use your OWN

intelligence, don't just repeat like a parrot...

>

> Y/s,

> R-

>

> sacred-objects, " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66@> wrote:

> >

> > Sir, I do not " Know better than Prabhupada " BUT I do " Know Prabhupada "

personally. I was his associate and we did entire " Nectar if Instruction "

working together. I was with him day and night. Speaking mostly in Bengali. " So

I know Prabhupada, and in spite of what he wrote I can separate truth from

fiction because I know Prabhupada personally.

> >

> > Prabhupada wrote bad-mouthing about 99% of everybody. He said Shankar was

wrong, Vallabh was wrong, yogis are wrong, jnanis are wrong, Jains and Sikhs are

wronmg, Vivakananda was wrong, Buddhists are called the worse names and are

wrong, karmis are wrong, Gita Press is non-devotee (in spite of evidence), he

also said his own senior Godbrothers were " Mayavadis " " Non-devotees " " Black like

gorrilla " " Envious black snakes " , and loads of other UNTRUE statements that are

NOT a fact. I knew Prabhupada's Godbrothers and they had hands, legs, and were

not snakes, nor Mayavadis. They were Vaishnava Sadhus. So if Prabhupada can

bad-mouth his OWN SENIOR GODBROTHERS, they how could Gita Press possibly escape

the onslaught?

> >

> > Prabhupada wanted people to read HIS Gita, not the competition (Gita Press)

so it was a " marketing statement " plain and simple.

> >

> > Now I knew Prabhupada personally. And I knew Hanuman Prasad personally. So

I'm in a good position to say. Have you ever met these illustrious individuals?

NO? - Then I pity you!!!

> >

> > sacred-objects, " rnldef " <rnldef@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Have you ever considered writing a book on this subject explaining your

views, for those of us who are interested but don't have the time or

qualifications to do our own research? Taking into consideration of course the

predictable ISKCON response of " you think you know more than Prabhupad? " or " you

are just being blasphemous " .

> > >

> > > If one googles C.L. Goswami or Goyandka and Bhaktivedanta, there are

references to Srila Prabhupad having referred to Gita Press as full of Mayavad

philosophy and advising his disciples not to read those books.

> > >

> > > sacred-objects, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > GITA PRESS: " Srimad Bhagavatam " : 10th Canto: Page 1257 by C. L. Goswami,

M. A., Sastri - footnote...

> > > >

> > > > * " Authoritative Vaisnava commentators like Sanatana Goswami, who are

believed to have actually witnessed these Lilas of Sri Krsna and His beloved

Gopis by the special grace of the Lord, have traced the following utterances to

Sri Radha, on the basis of the Agni-Purana as well as on the strength of their

own transcendent vision.. Again, these utterances are believed to have escaped

from lips of Sri Radha in a state of divine ecstasy (Divyonmada) . Which has no

parallel anywhere and is the special monopoly of Sri Radha a unique

personification of Mahabhava, the highest and purest form of divine Love. These

utteraances have also been classified under various heads such as Ghitrajalpa,

which have been clearly defined in standard works on poetics like the

Ujjvala-nilamani of Rupa Goswami. "

> > > >

> > > > ---> NOW TELL ME THAT IS WRITTEN BY an Advaitavadin SHANKARITE!? ?? Mr

Goswami MUST not only be a Vaishnava, but a Gaudiya Vaishnava in particular -

otherwise he couldn't know this information.

> > > >

> > > > Richard Shaw Brown, PG

> > > > Musician, Designer, Gemologist & Author

> > > > www.richardshawbrow n.com

> > > >

> > > > Get your new Email address!

> > > > Grab the Email name you & #39;ve always wanted before someone else does!

> > > > http://mail. promotions. / newdomains/ aa/

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

August 9, 2009

Dear Ole,

All I can say for certain is that many things said are just not true. And, yes,

it does make sense from material perspective (which was also at play too), but,

in my opinion, it is just like the philosophy, achintya, BECAUSE it is spiritual

lila between godbrothers. The reality is that, from a " mission " stand-point HDG

had to say things he later retracted for the sole purpose of keeping his own

disciples. I was the first to join his Godbrothers, and being in a rough spot I

had no choice. But after 7 years, when the choice came, I rejoined HDG and set

things straight spiritually.

Listen to this, when I first rejoined HDG in Mayapur he was overjoyed to see me,

and asked " So how is Bon Maharaj? " I replied, " Busy with his ashrams and

schools, Gurudev! " Prabhupada said (joking), " Yes, he is the rectum (rector) of

the Institute! " And laughed. But I didn't think it was funny, and seeing my face

HDG added, " No no! This is between brothers, no one can imitate. Actually Bon Mj

is my very old friend! " And I thought, " Well, OK, he's joking " , i.e., NOT

TELLING THE TRUTH " - so, " yea, haha ha!!! " On another time in deep discussion

with HDG in Bengali on Rupanuga Bhakti, he confirmed all I knew about Nitya Lila

as the goal. I once said, " My godbrothers get angry when I mention these

things! " HDG laughed and said, " Ha Ha, they will also know it! " I said, " It

pains me to hear my godbrothers bad mouth YOUR godbrothers! " HDG became angry

and demanded: " NO! Who is saying like that!?? " --- I just replied " many

Gurudev! " But it was clearly disturbing to him. So now can you see how and why

the swan can eat the cheese and leave aside the water in milk?

NOW, try to understand Prabhupada's godbrothers point of view, " AC De " was their

nyophyte untrained fringie life-long little godbrother, so they thought his

preaching was low class and embarrassing, and felt it their duty to help his

struggling disciples who visited them. But the leasson is - NEVER REINITIATE AN

ALREADY INITIATED DEVOTEE WHO HAS A REAL GURU. TO DO SO IS CALLED " GURU DROHA "

OR SIN BY GURU AGAINST GURU. IN ULTIMATE UNDERSTANDING HDG'S GODBROTHERS WERE

WRONG TO DO THAT. AND NOW SO IS NARAYANA MAHARAJ IN THE CASE OF MANY PRABHUPADA

INITIATED DISCIPLES. HOW CAN HE EXPLAIN THAT?? HE WAS A DEAR OLD FRIEND OF

PRABHUPADA, SO WHY REINITIATE THEM?? WHY NOT ACCEPT THEM AS ALREADY INITIATED

AND JUST OFFER SHIKSHA?

So the mystery never ends... BUT WE MUST SEPARATE MILK FROM WATER as above.

Best wishes,

Richard

sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup wrote:

>

> Hi Richard,

>

> Thanks for the explanations on this, it makes a lot of sense, at least from a

material perspective, I have a harder time to reconcile how this makes sense

from a spiritual perspective. So Prabhupada would purposely commit offences

against his senior godbrothers to protect his preaching mission and disciples?

>

> Ys, Ole

>

> ________________________________

> Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66

> sacred-objects

> Friday, 7 August, 2009 19:52:36

> Re: Footnote - page 1257 in Srimad Bhagavatam by

GITA PRESS

>

> Ole,

>

> All Prabhupada's big Godbrothers were already expertly ashram-trained and had

become established long before Prabhupada even got started. And Prabhupada was

always humble around his big godbrothers (who were life-long sadhus, unlike

Prabhupada who was, up to age 60, always a " fringie " ). So when Prabhupada

started having weird success preaching in the West to hippies, homos, crooks and

Jews, and mixing men and women, and he had no centers yet, so that made his

Godbrothers - who were all senior in all respects and established in India, very

HUGE competition. So Prabhupada HAD to bad mouth them for fear of losing his

" men " to them. And they thought his preaching to weirdos in America, mixing

men/women, was WEIRD. So it was all very mundane and easy to understand.

>

> Once I heard Prabhupada refer to his Godbrothers (now that he had more " men "

than them) point to their ashram, and say, " Just see! They have No men! " ---

what did I think about that? --- I thought, " Yeah, and the Pope could say the

same about you! "

>

> Having 5000 disciples can make a man lose sight of the 6 billion humans on

Earth. Iskcon, now with maximum total less than 100,000 members scattered

worldwide, compared to 6 billion people, really makes Iskcon the smallest

religion on Earth. But they are a " legend in their own minds " .

>

> Y/s,

> Richard

>

> sacred-objects, " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66@> wrote:

> >

> > Ole, the answer is totally simple: Prabhupada had his own mission, and he

bad-mouthed all the competition, specially his all senior Godbrothers, for ONE

REASON: To protect his OWN interest.

> >

> > Before passing he called for two of his Godbrothers and in presence of

witnesses he asked their forgiveness for bad-mouthing them and asked them to

convey this apology to all his other Godbrothers. So what do YOU think? Why

would he apologize for telling the truth? Why would Prabhupada call for an

" envious black-snake non-devotee gorilla " to come see him in the first place??

> >

> > First and foremost Prabhupada, ALL his life, was a business man, protecting

his own interests. So what else is new for any Empire Builders? Bad-mouth the

competition to further your own agenda.

> >

> > I understand Prabhupada ... what's the mystery?

> >

> > Y/s,

> > Richard

> >

> > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Richard,

> > >

> > > Why was Srila Prabhupada 'badmouthing' ? Dont you think he really meant

what he said, why else would he badmouth including his own Godbrothers?

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > Ys, Ole

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@>

> > > sacred-objects

> > > Friday, 7 August, 2009 16:00:48

> > > Re: Footnote - page 1257 in Srimad Bhagavatam by

GITA PRESS

> > >

> > > Fanatical Mr. rnldef Sir,

> > >

> > > In fact, because of Prabhupada's published 'bad-mouthing' of Buddhism and

Buddhists so there is no possibility of Iskcon in Thailand. He also bad mouthed

ALL and EVERY other religion on Earth, including his own Godbrothers, whom he

bad-mouthed to hell and back. All his Godbrothers combined never said bad

against him, like he said against them.

> > >

> > > And if the many disciples of Prabhupada's own Godbrothers ever read what

HDG wrote about their Gurudevas, they would flip.

> > >

> > > No body, apart from his supporters, was free from Prabhupada's 'Ninda'.

Just try to find where Prabhupada says something nice about anyone else (besides

his supporters). .!? Can you find an instance?

> > >

> > > So be careful in trying to imitate Prabhupada's " marketing decisions " ,

because many are NOT FACT.

> > >

> > > In fact, half the disciples of Prabhupada (but NOT me) are certain that

Prabhupada was *murdered by his own disciples* (which would be a despicable end

if true).

> > >

> > > So WHAT do you know by yourself??? Don't YOU know something? Use your OWN

intelligence, don't just repeat like a parrot...

> > >

> > > Y/s,

> > > R-

> > >

> > > sacred-objects, " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sir, I do not " Know better than Prabhupada " BUT I do " Know Prabhupada "

personally. I was his associate and we did entire " Nectar if Instruction "

working together. I was with him day and night. Speaking mostly in Bengali. " So

I know Prabhupada, and in spite of what he wrote I can separate truth from

fiction because I know Prabhupada personally.

> > > >

> > > > Prabhupada wrote bad-mouthing about 99% of everybody. He said Shankar

was wrong, Vallabh was wrong, yogis are wrong, jnanis are wrong, Jains and Sikhs

are wronmg, Vivakananda was wrong, Buddhists are called the worse names and are

wrong, karmis are wrong, Gita Press is non-devotee (in spite of evidence), he

also said his own senior Godbrothers were " Mayavadis " " Non-devotees " " Black like

gorrilla " " Envious black snakes " , and loads of other UNTRUE statements that are

NOT a fact. I knew Prabhupada's Godbrothers and they had hands, legs, and were

not snakes, nor Mayavadis. They were Vaishnava Sadhus. So if Prabhupada can

bad-mouth his OWN SENIOR GODBROTHERS, they how could Gita Press possibly escape

the onslaught?

> > > >

> > > > Prabhupada wanted people to read HIS Gita, not the competition (Gita

Press) so it was a " marketing statement " plain and simple.

> > > >

> > > > Now I knew Prabhupada personally. And I knew Hanuman Prasad personally.

So I'm in a good position to say. Have you ever met these illustrious

individuals? NO? - Then I pity you!!!

> > > >

> > > > sacred-objects, " rnldef " <rnldef@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Have you ever considered writing a book on this subject explaining

your views, for those of us who are interested but don't have the time or

qualifications to do our own research? Taking into consideration of course the

predictable ISKCON response of " you think you know more than Prabhupad? " or " you

are just being blasphemous " .

> > > > >

> > > > > If one googles C.L. Goswami or Goyandka and Bhaktivedanta, there are

references to Srila Prabhupad having referred to Gita Press as full of Mayavad

philosophy and advising his disciples not to read those books.

> > > > >

> > > > > sacred-objects, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > GITA PRESS: " Srimad Bhagavatam " : 10th Canto: Page 1257 by C. L.

Goswami, M. A., Sastri - footnote....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * " Authoritative Vaisnava commentators like Sanatana Goswami, who

are believed to have actually witnessed these Lilas of Sri Krsna and His beloved