Rudraksha=Lord Rudra (Shiva), so WHAT LIMIT?

July 17, 2009

RIGHT ON! OLE!! OLE!! In fact, nothing can be ruled out in the matter of

Rudrakshas. Lost items will reappear, unfavorable people will change their

position to be much more comfortable. Missing business will self-generate,

clients will come alive and celebrate. That's been my experience in promoting

Rudraksha in Thailand as Rudraksha-ratnas' representive in the Kingdom. To

benefit the Thai Kingdom, has been our humble efforts to inform the Royal Family

of all manner of sacred natural items, for which reason we have been moved into

the Royal Patronage The Siam Society. Here, in the Kingdom, Rudraksha only has

power because the King, Who represents Narai (Narayana} agrees to consider the

matter. Otherwise, No way in hell will Rudraksha be able to save you in

Thailand!!!sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup

wrote:

>

> What you have written is partly based on your own experience. Someone may have

a different experience. I have seen many examples of this.

>

> ________________________________

> sudipto ray <sudiptoray2k

> sacred-objects

> Friday, 17 July, 2009 9:42:25

> Re: Re: Rudraksha=Lord Rudra (Shiva), so WHY Grahas?

>

> 14 mukhi changes the way we perceive and react to pain.. Being very dear to

Shiva,as a powerful Rudraksha, it helps us change internally as a human being

--we start to see this world as an witness rather than as a first person.

>

> The very concept and reaction of grief ,pain sorrow and other emmotions

changes drastically to a human being who wears this rudraksha--it is this very

attribute that helps us defeat Shanis afflicting intensions.

>

> But the emmotional and physical detachment from our family and dear ones that

is to occur due to Shani during its mahadasha almost invariably occurs

irrespective of wearing 14 mukhi rudraksha --with the difference being that we

are in a much better position to cope with the situation.

>

> Neither will one become a steel tycoon ( Laxmi Mittal or a Ratan Tata ) due

to fourteen Mukhis Blessings --it simply does not look after that aspect of

Shani.

>

> On the other hand the wearer will engage himself in philanthropic

activities-- - setting up charitable organisations, old age homes, schools and

even in extreme cases may go on to build a hospital or a Shiva temple (in a

sacred and secluded place).

>

> If this is for Shani , so be it ,to me it is a Fourteen mukhi after all .

>

> with rgrds ---- Sudipto Ray

>

> www.advertisingphot ographerkolkata.. com

>

> --- On Fri, 17/7/09, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 > wrote:

>

> >Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 >

> > Re: Rudraksha=Lord Rudra (Shiva), so WHY Grahas?

> >sacred-objects

> >Friday, 17 July, 2009, 12:02 AM

> >

> >I agree!!! No bombs from me (I'm no terrorist). I'm a gemologist and

designer. And have studied everything from Brahma Sutras to Gita. So by

specializing in Planetary Gemology, with fine gems as sacred objects, I

rekindled an old 1973 interest I had in Rudraksha from late Kali Baba in Nepal.

In 2003 I was in Sade Sati and at my wits end. Then I tried Chaturdasha Mukhi

and had a serious improvement, that could only be the reduction in Shani's evil

glance. Then I considered how Lord Shiva is Asutosh and Rudraksha is HIS

talisman. I did some triple checking and it seemed this Rudraksha-to- graha was

pretty universal information, and I had no better information, so I accepted it

blindly, even it didn't make much sense (except for 1, 2 and 6 mukhi). So I

added Rudraksha for my clients thinking them harmless at worst and greater than

all gems at best (Shiva being Mahadev, vastly superior to the Graha-devas) .

> >

> >And that's where it stands with me at

> > present.

> >

> >Y/s, Richard

> >

> >sacred-objects, sudipto ray <sudiptoray2k@ ...>

wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear All, being a member of this forum I read more and comment less-but

this time I thought I need to write a thing or two.

> >>

> >> Why do we have to assign planets for specific rudraksha ? that two

depending upon the number system on the basis of faces it has.

> >>

> >> The very theory of assigning a number to a planet seems ridiculous to me .

> >>

> >> Vedic astrolgy based on natal chart and houses is a science in itself

--yielding different combinations, ( more than millions ,explaining which is

beyond the scope of this post temporarily) , resulting in a probabability(

situation)

> > the the native will face due to planetary motion.

> >>

> >> Vedic astrology and mathematics evolved concurrently , if numbers were to

be assigned to planets so simplistically --our ancient scholars would have done

so . Otherwise we have to assume that astrlogers were not mathematicians or

mathematicians did not hear about contemporary astrology , in a country which

gave the rest of the world the concept of zero.

> >>

> >> Numerology could also be justified as science as numbers often repeat

itself in our life time giving certain indications.

> >>

> >> what we are trying to do crudely combine the three --astrology

+numerology+ rudraksha.

> >>

> >> Unknowingly we are playing into the hands of dealers who are offering

rudraksha as a remedy for planetary ill effects, as an easy way of changing luck

--the traders wont simply be able to sell it to vedic

> > astrology believers ,which is a sizeable population ,if he only says feel

the cosmic vibration of Shiva in rudraksha.So it is a very well thought out

marketing policy.

> >>

> >> I did not have objections with other sites which assign 14 mukhi to shani

---and say " wear this and u win a super lotto tomorrow with shanis blessings " --

--until I saw rudrakshas being assigned to planets with the help of numbers in

Richard's Site---oops that hurt me.

> >>

> >> As he is, I thought Richard ,a most rational Hindu (not for his profound

knowledge of sacred texts but for his rational thoughts and realisation) .(U can

be a bigger hindu than by birth if U are a hindu by philosophy). And I am sure

he just wanted to add another sacred object to his site without thinking too

much .

> >>

> >> Classification of rudrakshas having different properties having different

faces are but welcome.

> >

> >>

> >> Most sites that have vested interest of selling Rudrakshas by misleading

people who want to change their LUCK, quickly.

> >>

> >> All Rudrakshas will Help u get Shiva (through proper Japa)--it can even

change your DESTINY.

> >>

> >> I am ready for all the bombs ,right now to expolde in this forum, specially

Richard's

> >>

> >> See u later If u don't expell me ---Sudipto Ray.

> >>

> >> --- On Thu, 16/7/09, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@> wrote:

> >>

> >> Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@>

> >> Re: Rudraksha=Lord Rudra (Shiva), so WHY Grahas?

> >> sacred-objects

> >> Thursday, 16 July, 2009, 8:35 PM

> >>

> >

> >>

> >> Only thing I know for sure about Rudraksha is that Rudra Center know better

than me. I'm no expert in Rudraksha like Sriman Kamal Seetha. So I have to

consider... Y/s, Richard

> >>

> >> sacred-objects, " ishwar33 " <ishwar33@ .> wrote:

> >> >

> >> > Dear Richardji,

> >> >

> >> > The new planetary association also changes the market dynamics, the

website say 3 Mukhi is for malefic sun, but sells 3 mukhi talisman with coral

and 8 mukji is for Ketu but it has gem of Rahu.

> >> > A

> >> > lso it is very misleading the description on following URL says 8 mukhi

is for Ketu.

> >> > http://www.rudraksh a-ratna.com/ dispProduct. php?prodId= 40

> >> >

> >> > And the description changes for same product called ganesh talisman

> >> > http://www.rudraksh a-ratna.com/ dispProduct. php?prodId= 363

> >> >

> >> > The changes are not being done uniformly and it would confuse the

customers and also affect the sales of existing rudraksha talisman with gems and

render them obsolete..

> >> >

> >> > Regards,

> >> > Ishwar

> >> >

> >> > sacred-objects, " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66@>

wrote:

> >> > >

> >> > > Yes! I recently spoke to the Chief Brahmin Priest of Thailand, Pt

Vidyadhar Shulka, I showed him a 9 mukhi and said it was for Ketu.. He said it

was NOT for Ketu...it was for Shiva, in particular Nava Durga Shakti. He told me

all Rudraksha are for Shiva, and Shiva can effect or overrule any and all

grahas. So what do the Shastras have to say about the " powers " of each number of

mukhis? It is all Shiva.

> > Every mukhi. I need to reread Sri Kamal Seetha's book again to see what

information to give my clients that is backed by Shastra.

> >> > >

> >> > > 3 mukhi for Sun!? The number three is for Jupiter. Or you could say

Tri-murti. But Sun!??? Where's the logic? Where's the proof?

> >> > >

> >> > > Y/s,

> >> > > Richard

> >> > > sacred-objects, " ishwar33 " <ishwar33@> wrote:

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Dear Richardji,

> >> > > >

> >> > > > I second your opinion about co-relation of Rudraksha with planets. I

recently read specific chapter in Shiva Maha Puran on Rudraksha and it does not

mention of any relation of Rudraksha with planets. Also this relationship has

changed recently on some websites. Many people have invested in 8 mukhi assuming

it is for Rahu. The ruling god of eight mukhi is lord Ganesha, the first-born

child of

> > universe and Ketu is directly linked with Ganesha, this change was reflected

very recently by some websites where as the relationship between lord Ganesha

and Ketu existed in scriptures from beginning. But some of associations like

planet Sun assigned to 3 mukhi seems irrational. The direct planetary

association to particular mukhi is not mentioned in scriptures. Pandit Arjunji

can throw more light on this.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Regards

> >> > > > Ishwar

> >> > > >

> >> > > > sacred-objects, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@>

wrote:

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > I am wondering what is the co-relation between Shalagram Shila and

Grahas? There is none in particular. Because Shalagram is Vishnu. And Rudraksha

is Lord Shiva. So, what is the need for made-up

> > planet-Rudraksha co-relation? Why not JUST Shiva-shakti? We KNOW that is

true. But planet relationship sounds unnecessary and man-made (imaginary). With

Shalagram there is no need of astrology, so why is there a need with Rudraksha?

Unless it is really Shastric.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Richard Shaw Brown, PG

> >> > > > > Musician, Designer, Gemologist & Author

> >> > > > > www.richardshawbrow n.com

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > New Email addresses available on

> >> > > > > Get the Email name you & #39;ve always wanted on the new @ymail and

@rocketmail.

> >> > > > > Hurry before someone else does!

> >> > > > > http://mail. promotions. / newdomains/ aa/

> >> > > > >

> >> > > >

> >> >

> > >

> >> >

> >>

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July 17, 2009

> Here, in the Kingdom, Rudraksha only has power because the King, Who

represents Narai (Narayana} agrees to > consider the matter. Otherwise,

No way in hell will Rudraksha be able to save you in Thailand!!!- Eh?Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66sacred-objects Sent: Friday, 17 July, 2009 19:10:55 Re: Rudraksha=Lord Rudra (Shiva), so WHAT LIMIT?

RIGHT ON! OLE!! OLE!! In fact, nothing can be ruled out in the matter of Rudrakshas. Lost items will reappear, unfavorable people will change their position to be much more comfortable. Missing business will self-generate, clients will come alive and celebrate. That's been my experience in promoting Rudraksha in Thailand as Rudraksha-ratnas' representive in the Kingdom. To benefit the Thai Kingdom, has been our humble efforts to inform the Royal Family of all manner of sacred natural items, for which reason we have been moved into the Royal Patronage The Siam Society. Here, in the Kingdom, Rudraksha only has power because the King, Who represents Narai (Narayana} agrees to consider the matter. Otherwise, No way in hell will Rudraksha be able to save you in Thailand!!!- -- In sacred-objects@ .

com, Ole Alstrup <alstrup > wrote:

>

> What you have written is partly based on your own experience. Someone may have a different experience. I have seen many examples of this.

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> sudipto ray <sudiptoray2k@ ...>

> sacred-objects

> Friday, 17 July, 2009 9:42:25

> Re: Re: Rudraksha=Lord Rudra (Shiva), so WHY Grahas?

>

> 14 mukhi changes the way we perceive and react to pain.. Being very dear to Shiva,as a powerful Rudraksha, it helps us change internally as a human being --we start to see this world as an witness rather than as a first person.

>

> The very concept and reaction of grief ,pain sorrow and other emmotions changes drastically to a human being who wears this rudraksha--it is this very attribute that helps us defeat Shanis afflicting intensions.

>

> But the emmotional and physical detachment from our family and dear ones that is to occur due to Shani during its mahadasha almost invariably occurs irrespective of wearing 14 mukhi rudraksha --with the difference being that we are in a much better position to cope with the situation.

>

> Neither will one become a steel tycoon ( Laxmi Mittal or a Ratan Tata ) due to fourteen Mukhis Blessings --it simply does not look after that aspect of Shani.

>

> On the other hand the wearer will engage himself in philanthropic activities-- - setting up charitable organisations, old age homes, schools and even in extreme cases may go on to build a hospital or a Shiva temple (in a sacred and secluded place).

>

> If this is for Shani , so be it ,to me it is a Fourteen mukhi after all .

>

> with rgrds ---- Sudipto Ray

>

> www.advertisingphot ographerkolkata. . com

>

> --- On Fri, 17/7/09, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 > wrote:

>

> >Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 >

> > Re: Rudraksha=Lord Rudra (Shiva), so WHY Grahas?

> >sacred-objects

> >Friday, 17 July, 2009, 12:02 AM

> >

> >I agree!!! No bombs from me (I'm no terrorist). I'm a gemologist and designer. And have studied everything from Brahma Sutras to Gita. So by specializing in Planetary Gemology, with fine gems as sacred objects, I rekindled an old 1973 interest I had in Rudraksha from late Kali Baba in Nepal. In 2003 I was in Sade Sati and at my wits end. Then I tried Chaturdasha Mukhi and had a serious improvement, that could only be the reduction in Shani's evil glance. Then I considered how Lord Shiva is Asutosh and Rudraksha is HIS talisman. I did some triple checking and it seemed this Rudraksha-to- graha was pretty universal information, and I had no better information, so I accepted it blindly, even it didn't make much sense (except for 1, 2 and 6 mukhi). So I added Rudraksha for my clients thinking them harmless at worst and greater than all gems at best (Shiva being Mahadev, vastly superior to the Graha-devas) .

> >

> >And that's where it stands with me at

> > present.

> >

> >Y/s, Richard

> >

> >sacred-objects, sudipto ray <sudiptoray2k@ ...> wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear All, being a member of this forum I read more and comment less-but this time I thought I need to write a thing or two.

> >>

> >> Why do we have to assign planets for specific rudraksha ? that two depending upon the number system on the basis of faces it has.

> >>

> >> The very theory of assigning a number to a planet seems ridiculous to me .

> >>

> >> Vedic astrolgy based on natal chart and houses is a science in itself --yielding different combinations, ( more than millions ,explaining which is beyond the scope of this post temporarily) , resulting in a probabability( situation)

> > the the native will face due to planetary motion.

> >>

> >> Vedic astrology and mathematics evolved concurrently , if numbers were to be assigned to planets so simplistically --our ancient scholars would have done so . Otherwise we have to assume that astrlogers were not mathematicians or mathematicians did not hear about contemporary astrology , in a country which gave the rest of the world the concept of zero.

> >>

> >> Numerology could also be justified as science as numbers often repeat itself in our life time giving certain indications.

> >>

> >> what we are trying to do crudely combine the three --astrology +numerology+ rudraksha.

> >>

> >> Unknowingly we are playing into the hands of dealers who are offering rudraksha as a remedy for planetary ill effects, as an easy way of changing luck --the traders wont simply be able to sell it to vedic

> > astrology believers ,which is a sizeable population ,if he only says feel the cosmic vibration of Shiva in rudraksha.So it is a very well thought out marketing policy.

> >>

> >> I did not have objections with other sites which assign 14 mukhi to shani ---and say " wear this and u win a super lotto tomorrow with shanis blessings"-- --until I saw rudrakshas being assigned to planets with the help of numbers in Richard's Site---oops that hurt me.

> >>

> >> As he is, I thought Richard ,a most rational Hindu (not for his profound knowledge of sacred texts but for his rational thoughts and realisation) .(U can be a bigger hindu than by birth if U are a hindu by philosophy). And I am sure he just wanted to add another sacred object to his site without thinking too much .

> >>

> >> Classification of rudrakshas having different properties having different faces are but welcome.

> >

> >>

> >> Most sites that have vested interest of selling Rudrakshas by misleading people who want to change their LUCK, quickly.

> >>

> >> All Rudrakshas will Help u get Shiva (through proper Japa)--it can even change your DESTINY.

> >>

> >> I am ready for all the bombs ,right now to expolde in this forum, specially Richard's

> >>

> >> See u later If u don't expell me ---Sudipto Ray.

> >>

> >> --- On Thu, 16/7/09, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@> wrote:

> >>

> >> Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@>

> >> Re: Rudraksha=Lord Rudra (Shiva), so WHY Grahas?

> >> sacred-objects

> >> Thursday, 16 July, 2009, 8:35 PM

> >>

> >

> >>

> >> Only thing I know for sure about Rudraksha is that Rudra Center know better than me. I'm no expert in Rudraksha like Sriman Kamal Seetha. So I have to consider... Y/s, Richard

> >>

> >> sacred-objects, "ishwar33" <ishwar33@ .> wrote:

> >> >

> >> > Dear Richardji,

> >> >

> >> > The new planetary association also changes the market dynamics, the website say 3 Mukhi is for malefic sun, but sells 3 mukhi talisman with coral and 8 mukji is for Ketu but it has gem of Rahu.

> >> > A

> >> > lso it is very misleading the description on following URL says 8 mukhi is for Ketu.

> >> > http://www.rudraksh a-ratna.com/ dispProduct. php?prodId= 40

> >> >

> >> > And the description changes for same product called ganesh talisman

> >> > http://www.rudraksh a-ratna.com/ dispProduct. php?prodId= 363

> >> >

> >> > The changes are not being done uniformly and it would confuse the customers and also affect the sales of existing rudraksha talisman with gems and render them obsolete..

> >> >

> >> > Regards,

> >> > Ishwar

> >> >

> >> > sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw Brown" <rsbj66@> wrote:

> >> > >

> >> > > Yes! I recently spoke to the Chief Brahmin Priest of Thailand, Pt Vidyadhar Shulka, I showed him a 9 mukhi and said it was for Ketu.. He said it was NOT for Ketu...it was for Shiva, in particular Nava Durga Shakti. He told me all Rudraksha are for Shiva, and Shiva can effect or overrule any and all grahas. So what do the Shastras have to say about the "powers" of each number of mukhis? It is all Shiva.

> > Every mukhi. I need to reread Sri Kamal Seetha's book again to see what information to give my clients that is backed by Shastra.

> >> > >

> >> > > 3 mukhi for Sun!? The number three is for Jupiter. Or you could say Tri-murti. But Sun!??? Where's the logic? Where's the proof?

> >> > >

> >> > > Y/s,

> >> > > Richard

> >> > > sacred-objects, "ishwar33" <ishwar33@> wrote:

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Dear Richardji,

> >> > > >

> >> > > > I second your opinion about co-relation of Rudraksha with planets. I recently read specific chapter in Shiva Maha Puran on Rudraksha and it does not mention of any relation of Rudraksha with planets. Also this relationship has changed recently on some websites. Many people have invested in 8 mukhi assuming it is for Rahu. The ruling god of eight mukhi is lord Ganesha, the first-born child of

> > universe and Ketu is directly linked with Ganesha, this change was reflected very recently by some websites where as the relationship between lord Ganesha and Ketu existed in scriptures from beginning. But some of associations like planet Sun assigned to 3 mukhi seems irrational. The direct planetary association to particular mukhi is not mentioned in scriptures. Pandit Arjunji can throw more light on this.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Regards

> >> > > > Ishwar

> >> > > >

> >> > > > sacred-objects, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@> wrote:

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > I am wondering what is the co-relation between Shalagram Shila and Grahas? There is none in particular. Because Shalagram is Vishnu. And Rudraksha is Lord Shiva. So, what is the need for made-up

> > planet-Rudraksha co-relation? Why not JUST Shiva-shakti? We KNOW that is true. But planet relationship sounds unnecessary and man-made (imaginary). With Shalagram there is no need of astrology, so why is there a need with Rudraksha? Unless it is really Shastric.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Richard Shaw Brown, PG

> >> > > > > Musician, Designer, Gemologist & Author

> >> > > > > www.richardshawbrow n.com

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > New Email addresses available on

> >> > > > > Get the Email name you & #39;ve always wanted on the new @ymail and @rocketmail.

> >> > > > > Hurry before someone else does!

> >> > > > > http://mail. promotions. / newdomains/ aa/

> >> > > > >

> >> > > >

> >> >

> > >

> >> >

> >>

> >> Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Click here http://cricket.

> >>

> >

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July 18, 2009

He haa!! Ole! As moderator I have to spice up the churning of the milk ocean

from time to time, lest it gets too bland. But, yes, I standby the statement

that Lord Siva's Rudraksha cannot work in Thailand without blessings of the

King. It's because, ceremoniously, officially, and spiritually, the current King

Rama IX has been 62 years on the throne of Vishnu. Who's symbol (on all road

signs, police, military, and documents is Garuda. Guess who is the Cause of all

causes in Siam Desh??? The LAST Vaishnav country, where Lord Buddha is

worshipped, along with Lord Brahma, Shiva, and all the rest. But the king is

above everything in spite of enacting his own will in society. Amazing King of

Kings.

sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup wrote:

>

> > Here, in the Kingdom, Rudraksha only has power because the King, Who

> represents Narai (Narayana} agrees to

> > consider the matter. Otherwise,

> No way in hell will Rudraksha be able to save you in Thailand!!!-

>

> Eh?

>