KDY CONTROVERSY FINALLY RESOLVED

June 22, 2009

Dear All,

(And Hello Mr. Richard Shaw Brown)

I had once posted a message about the KDY on the message board in which I stood

opposed to the ridiculous claims being made by " bala_songyi " . I hope everyone

has read and understood its contents. Controversies of this nature have been

perpetrated by fraud claimants throughout history. I do not believe that

" ishwar33 " is in possession of the original KDY. He may perhaps know its

location or who the present owner is. He may have also seen it at some time as

his description and historical analogy is very accurate and in keeping with the

known facts about the KDY.

The raging war-of-words between bala_songyi and ishwar33 has so far dwelt on

the question of " WHICH IS THE REAL KAILASH DHANARAKSHA YANTRA TALISMAN? "

I have taken the pains to speak to many senior Tibetan monks in Dharamshala,

Ladakh (Leh), Nepal, Sikkim, Bhutan and Darjeeling since I lasted posted my

message on the board. I now hereby wish to inform everyone that there is no

controversy in their minds as to what the original KDY is or what it looks like.

They all described it to me in Nepali language (common dialect of the region) as

a " gol peetal bostu jis ta vajan do-sow bees gram hoi " – meaning that " it is a

round brass item whose weight is two hundred and twenty grams " . This is the

traditional belief of every spiritually evolved Buddhist monk of the Himalayan

region who has heard of the Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra. When asked if there was

any other item called the KDY, or any other shape it was created in, they

answered – " choi-na " – meaning " No " .

When they were told of the claims made by bala_songyi (aka Muthuraku), they did

not only laugh, but showed absolute contempt at the source of such information.

They were of the opinion that there is no scope for debate. There is only one

KDY in existence, and it is a round brass pendant-type metal plate with a loop

on the top for wearing with a thong. It weighs 220 gms and it was created

between 812 and 824 AD on the slopes of Mount Kailash by Padmasambhava as a

" terma " to be discovered by future generations. It never went to Hitler and has

never had a Russian owner, claimant or connection. That whole story is a

fabrication. Many Buddhist leaders are even aware that the KDY is now somewhere

in a city in South India (being the reason why I feel ishwar33 has perhaps seen

it and definitely knows what he is talking about)

I am personally happy and at peace for having made my own enquiries rather than

go by what either bala_songyi or ishwar33 said. Surely the statements of so many

senior and learned Buddhist monks far outweigh the claims any one can make on

this topic.

This case can definitely be put to rest. bala-songyi may perhaps be a little

peeved at being exposed. My apologies for having to state the painful truth.

Let's forgive him for his lack of knowledge and indiscretion. A debate is a

healthy thing, as it brings out the truth and exposes the hoax. The round

talisman will not become square just because someone is begging it to be, and

even prepared to warp and contort history to prove his arguement. One cannot

change history or the nature of things by flogging this dead horse. What amazes

and amuses me about bala_songyi is how true Oliver Goldsmith was when he wrote

in his famous poem - THE VILLAGE SCHOOLMASTER

" for even though vanquished, he could argue still... "

ishwar33, thanks to all your detailed and accurate research. You were right all

along when you said the KDY is a round pendant/locket type object.

Now, surely there are many other wonderful things in the world to discuss in

this group.

Jeremy

June 22, 2009

dear sri RSBthanks and that is ityour wonderful valid information and how you obtained it is a DIVINE DISPENSATIONThanks God bless allKrisna--- On Mon, 22/6/09, numismatist_1973 <kalaindia wrote:numismatist_1973 <kalaindia KDY CONTROVERSY FINALLY RESOLVEDsacred-objects Date: Monday, 22 June, 2009, 2:38 PM

Dear All,

(And Hello Mr. Richard Shaw Brown)

I had once posted a message about the KDY on the message board in which I stood opposed to the ridiculous claims being made by "bala_songyi" . I hope everyone has read and understood its contents. Controversies of this nature have been perpetrated by fraud claimants throughout history. I do not believe that "ishwar33" is in possession of the original KDY. He may perhaps know its location or who the present owner is. He may have also seen it at some time as his description and historical analogy is very accurate and in keeping with the known facts about the KDY.

The raging war-of-words between bala_songyi and ishwar33 has so far dwelt on the question of "WHICH IS THE REAL KAILASH DHANARAKSHA YANTRA TALISMAN?"

I have taken the pains to speak to many senior Tibetan monks in Dharamshala, Ladakh (Leh), Nepal, Sikkim, Bhutan and Darjeeling since I lasted posted my message on the board. I now hereby wish to inform everyone that there is no controversy in their minds as to what the original KDY is or what it looks like.

They all described it to me in Nepali language (common dialect of the region) as a "gol peetal bostu jis ta vajan do-sow bees gram hoi" â€“ meaning that "it is a round brass item whose weight is two hundred and twenty grams". This is the traditional belief of every spiritually evolved Buddhist monk of the Himalayan region who has heard of the Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra. When asked if there was any other item called the KDY, or any other shape it was created in, they answered â€“ "choi-na" â€“ meaning "No".

When they were told of the claims made by bala_songyi (aka Muthuraku), they did not only laugh, but showed absolute contempt at the source of such information. They were of the opinion that there is no scope for debate. There is only one KDY in existence, and it is a round brass pendant-type metal plate with a loop on the top for wearing with a thong. It weighs 220 gms and it was created between 812 and 824 AD on the slopes of Mount Kailash by Padmasambhava as a "terma" to be discovered by future generations. It never went to Hitler and has never had a Russian owner, claimant or connection. That whole story is a fabrication. Many Buddhist leaders are even aware that the KDY is now somewhere in a city in South India (being the reason why I feel ishwar33 has perhaps seen it and definitely knows what he is talking about)

I am personally happy and at peace for having made my own enquiries rather than go by what either bala_songyi or ishwar33 said. Surely the statements of so many senior and learned Buddhist monks far outweigh the claims any one can make on this topic.

This case can definitely be put to rest. bala-songyi may perhaps be a little peeved at being exposed. My apologies for having to state the painful truth. Let's forgive him for his lack of knowledge and indiscretion. A debate is a healthy thing, as it brings out the truth and exposes the hoax. The round talisman will not become square just because someone is begging it to be, and even prepared to warp and contort history to prove his arguement. One cannot change history or the nature of things by flogging this dead horse. What amazes and amuses me about bala_songyi is how true Oliver Goldsmith was when he wrote in his famous poem - THE VILLAGE SCHOOLMASTER

"for even though vanquished, he could argue still..."

ishwar33, thanks to all your detailed and accurate research. You were right all along when you said the KDY is a round pendant/locket type object.

Now, surely there are many other wonderful things in the world to discuss in this group.

Jeremy

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June 22, 2009

Haha haha !!! another A.Hole ..... under pseudo name for Ishwar Nagwani who is

desparate to sell for US$ 1.5 million.

Bala_songyi has no real interest which is real Round ? or Square ???

or tiny new Kailash Dhana Raksha Tantra Yantra ??? in meteorite silver ????

.....or as the young as 36 years old bumbling blunder idot owning a software

company in Banglore on MG road..... trying to pass off the round brass pendant

as he is in trouble to believe the crap and spend 10 lacks to buy it, and in big

finacial difficulties...NOW

You call me names that I am not Muthuraku,nor Viral Patel, etc....

You are dead with with your greed.....

HAHAHA !!!!

Good luck to your Deal of US$ 1.5 million.

Keep your Brass Round Crap Kailash Dhana Raksha Yantra for for good luck.

sacred-objects , " numismatist_1973 " <kalaindia wrote:

>

> Dear All,

> (And Hello Mr. Richard Shaw Brown)

>

> I had once posted a message about the KDY on the message board in which I

stood opposed to the ridiculous claims being made by " bala_songyi " . I hope

everyone has read and understood its contents. Controversies of this nature have

been perpetrated by fraud claimants throughout history. I do not believe that

" ishwar33 " is in possession of the original KDY. He may perhaps know its

location or who the present owner is. He may have also seen it at some time as

his description and historical analogy is very accurate and in keeping with the

known facts about the KDY.

>

> The raging war-of-words between bala_songyi and ishwar33 has so far dwelt on

the question of " WHICH IS THE REAL KAILASH DHANARAKSHA YANTRA TALISMAN? "

>

> I have taken the pains to speak to many senior Tibetan monks in Dharamshala,

Ladakh (Leh), Nepal, Sikkim, Bhutan and Darjeeling since I lasted posted my

message on the board. I now hereby wish to inform everyone that there is no

controversy in their minds as to what the original KDY is or what it looks like.

>

> They all described it to me in Nepali language (common dialect of the region)

as a " gol peetal bostu jis ta vajan do-sow bees gram hoi " – meaning that " it is

a round brass item whose weight is two hundred and twenty grams " . This is the

traditional belief of every spiritually evolved Buddhist monk of the Himalayan

region who has heard of the Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra. When asked if there was

any other item called the KDY, or any other shape it was created in, they

answered – " choi-na " – meaning " No " .

>

> When they were told of the claims made by bala_songyi (aka Muthuraku), they

did not only laugh, but showed absolute contempt at the source of such

information. They were of the opinion that there is no scope for debate. There

is only one KDY in existence, and it is a round brass pendant-type metal plate

with a loop on the top for wearing with a thong. It weighs 220 gms and it was

created between 812 and 824 AD on the slopes of Mount Kailash by Padmasambhava

as a " terma " to be discovered by future generations. It never went to Hitler and

has never had a Russian owner, claimant or connection. That whole story is a

fabrication. Many Buddhist leaders are even aware that the KDY is now somewhere

in a city in South India (being the reason why I feel ishwar33 has perhaps seen

it and definitely knows what he is talking about)

>

> I am personally happy and at peace for having made my own enquiries rather

than go by what either bala_songyi or ishwar33 said. Surely the statements of so

many senior and learned Buddhist monks far outweigh the claims any one can make

on this topic.

>

> This case can definitely be put to rest. bala-songyi may perhaps be a little

peeved at being exposed. My apologies for having to state the painful truth.

Let's forgive him for his lack of knowledge and indiscretion. A debate is a

healthy thing, as it brings out the truth and exposes the hoax. The round

talisman will not become square just because someone is begging it to be, and

even prepared to warp and contort history to prove his arguement. One cannot

change history or the nature of things by flogging this dead horse. What amazes

and amuses me about bala_songyi is how true Oliver Goldsmith was when he wrote

in his famous poem - THE VILLAGE SCHOOLMASTER

>

> " for even though vanquished, he could argue still... "

>

> ishwar33, thanks to all your detailed and accurate research. You were right

all along when you said the KDY is a round pendant/locket type object.

>

> Now, surely there are many other wonderful things in the world to discuss in

this group.

>

> Jeremy

>

June 22, 2009

The game is up my friend Numisticas 1978, Ishwar have claimed himself as the

owner of round Brass Pendant Kailash Dhana Raksha Tantra Yantra on May 23rd 09

on this forum....

You are very new member, check out your details of joining, on the right upper

column of the message you sent.....

Thanks Ishwar, aka Numisticas !!!!!!

Cheers