Guest guest Report post Posted May 21, 2009 dear sirs as far as i have heared, and some people i met casually,they said some tests for gaj mani 1-the betel leaf if placed around it touching it eats the leaf,except the nerve portion 2-it drinks coconut water if place in it 3-it ha a natural vibrative feeling when placed in hands 4-some say if put in say3kg rice it shoots down from top to bottom the ritual for it is daily morning and evening you place it in milk of cow and change it daily thanks krisn Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 21, 2009 Dear friends, There is no scientific test so far to check the authenticity of Gaja Mani and Gaja Mukta. The so called tests of 'Eating betel leaf, drinking coconut water, coming up through the heap of rice grains (like fish or bird ?) is all nonsense. Basically, to perform any scientific test we require a 'Control Material' or in simple words, a genuine material collected by reputed international research institute for scientific comparision. There are fake Gaja Mani made from molar tooth of elephant, or from the bone of walrus etc. The scientific test of 'Raman Spectroscopy' can only judge whether the product is from elephant or walrus or other animal ? of the control animals i.e. the animal bones of which Raman Spectroscopy data is on record. It is important to mention that the 'Raman Spectroscopy' test or 'Infrared Spectroscopy' test gives the reading proving whether the product is of Elephant, however, it can not prove or say whether it is Gaja Mani or Gaja Mukta extracted from elephant head or tusk or is simply made from elephant bone or molar tooth ? The Infrared Spectroscopy test is also a complicated scientific test. Elephant molar tooth does not show the scientific characters of elephant tusk or of ivory. Elephant ivory is much softer than molar tooth. Ivory shows a typical 'Scrimshaw Pattern' in ivory development similar to growth rings of a tree. However, the 'Scrimshaw Pattern' is not simply the encircled growth rings like in transverse section of a tree trunk, but has a totally different pattern. Scrimshaw pattern is treated as authenticity test for ivory. Elephant molar tooth on the otherhand does not show 'Scrimshaw Pattern'. Thanking you and with best wishes, Chandrashekhar Phadke--- On Thu, 21/5/09, paraman777 <paraman777 wrote: paraman777 <paraman777 gaj mani some news hearedsacred-objects Date: Thursday, 21 May, 2009, 2:14 PM dear sirsas far as i have heared, and some people i met casually,they said some tests for gaj mani1-the betel leaf if placed around it touching it eats the leaf,except the nerve portion2-it drinks coconut water if place in it3-it ha a natural vibrative feeling when placed in hands4-some say if put in say3kg rice it shoots down from top to bottomthe ritual for it is daily morning and evening you place it in milk of cow and change it dailythankskrisn Explore and discover exciting holidays and getaways with India Travel Click here! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 21, 2009 DEAR CHANDRASHEKAR, At last, I find on board another Scientist,.... I have heard alot about, Thee, and many member swear by their Mum, that you are Very Straight in your dealings in REAL Valumpuri Sankh... Some fake valumpuri dealers, pass on the fake, while buying THE REAL Thing from you, Smearing Your Good Name..... Here are the co-ordinates of Raman Spectroscopy from GAA. for Elephant Pearl Assay from Kramjit Singh KNOW All and tell all. Kramjit Singh, has no commercial interest nor has any items to sell to any body. sacred-objectsGajamani%20Assay%20Protocols/ I would not be avail, as some Metal filings arrived from Moscow Russia, for Radio Carbon 13 Assay, to assay of Kailash Dhana Raksha Yantra. See all in a week from Univ Georgia . Alanta, with results... Till then Cheers and Have A Wonderful Spring sacred-objects , chphadke wrote: > > > Dear friends, > > There is no scientific test so far to check the authenticity of Gaja Mani and Gaja Mukta. The so called tests of 'Eating betel leaf, drinking coconut water, coming up through the heap of rice grains (like fish or bird ?) is all nonsense. Basically, to perform any scientific test we require a 'Control Material' or in simple words, a genuine material collected by reputed international research institute for scientific comparision. > > There are fake Gaja Mani made from molar tooth of elephant, or from the bone of walrus etc. The scientific test of 'Raman Spectroscopy' can only judge whether the product is from elephant or walrus or other animal ? of the control animals i.e. the animal bones of which Raman Spectroscopy data is on record. > > It is important to mention that the 'Raman Spectroscopy' test or 'Infrared Spectroscopy' test gives the reading proving whether the product is of Elephant, however, it can not prove or say whether it is Gaja Mani or Gaja Mukta extracted from elephant head or tusk or is simply made from elephant bone or molar tooth ? The Infrared Spectroscopy test is also a complicated scientific test. > > Elephant molar tooth does not show the scientific characters of elephant tusk or of ivory. Elephant ivory is much softer than molar tooth. Ivory shows a typical 'Scrimshaw Pattern' in ivory development similar to growth rings of a tree. However, the 'Scrimshaw Pattern' is not simply the encircled growth rings like in transverse section of a tree trunk, but has a totally different pattern. Scrimshaw pattern is treated as authenticity test for ivory. Elephant molar tooth on the otherhand does not show 'Scrimshaw Pattern'. > > Thanking you and with best wishes, > > Chandrashekhar Phadke > > --- On Thu, 21/5/09, paraman777 <paraman777 wrote: > > > paraman777 <paraman777 > gaj mani some news heared > sacred-objects > Thursday, 21 May, 2009, 2:14 PM > > dear sirs > as far as i have heared, and some people i met casually,they said some tests for gaj mani > 1-the betel leaf if placed around it touching it eats the leaf,except the nerve portion > 2-it drinks coconut water if place in it > 3-it ha a natural vibrative feeling when placed in hands > 4-some say if put in say3kg rice it shoots down from top to bottom > the ritual for it is daily morning and evening you place it in milk of cow and change it daily > thanks > krisn > > > > > > > > > > > Explore and discover exciting holidays and getaways with India Travel http://in.travel./ > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 21, 2009 Thank you very much.....for sharing wonderful article....Now I believe that there is somthing on this earth which all these ppl are calling Gaja Mani...We learned in school...shaile shaile na manikyam... Moutikam na gaje gaje...Sadhvam na sarvtra...chandnam na vane vane...Teacher explined us the meaning of this subhashita that you can not find pearl in each elephant...and added that elephant pearl is myth....When I strated searching on net I thought it must be bezorar .....I tried to speak to my many zoo keeper friends...they said it must be some sort of calus formation inside the mouth of elephant...but this article explains that very nicely and scientificaly...Thank u very much once againH R Gupte--- On Thu, 21/5/09, bala_songyi <balasongyi wrote:bala_songyi <balasongyi Re: gaj mani some news hearedsacred-objects Date: Thursday, 21 May, 2009, 6:27 PMDEAR CHANDRASHEKAR,At last, I find on board another Scientist,....I have heard alot about, Thee, and many member swear by their Mum, that you are Very Straight in your dealings in REAL Valumpuri Sankh...Some fake valumpuri dealers, pass on the fake, while buying THE REAL Thing from you, Smearing Your Good Name.....Here are the co-ordinates of Raman Spectroscopy from GAA. for Elephant Pearl Assay from Kramjit Singh KNOW All and tell all.Kramjit Singh, has no commercial interest nor has any items to sell to any body.sacred-objectsGajamani%20Assay%20Protocols/I would not be avail, as some Metal filings arrived from Moscow Russia, for Radio Carbon 13 Assay, to assay of Kailash Dhana Raksha Yantra.See all in a week from Univ Georgia . Alanta, with results...Till then Cheers and Have A Wonderful Springsacred-objects , chphadke wrote:>> > Dear friends,> > There is no scientific test so far to check the authenticity of Gaja Mani and Gaja Mukta. The so called tests of 'Eating betel leaf, drinking coconut water, coming up through the heap of rice grains (like fish or bird ?) is all nonsense. Basically, to perform any scientific test we require a 'Control Material' or in simple words, a genuine material collected by reputed international research institute for scientific comparision.> > There are fake Gaja Mani made from molar tooth of elephant, or from the bone of walrus etc. The scientific test of 'Raman Spectroscopy' can only judge whether the product is from elephant or walrus or other animal ? of the control animals i.e. the animal bones of which Raman Spectroscopy data is on record. > > It is important to mention that the 'Raman Spectroscopy' test or 'Infrared Spectroscopy' test gives the reading proving whether the product is of Elephant, however, it can not prove or say whether it is Gaja Mani or Gaja Mukta extracted from elephant head or tusk or is simply made from elephant bone or molar tooth ? The Infrared Spectroscopy test is also a complicated scientific test. > > Elephant molar tooth does not show the scientific characters of elephant tusk or of ivory. Elephant ivory is much softer than molar tooth. Ivory shows a typical 'Scrimshaw Pattern' in ivory development similar to growth rings of a tree. However, the 'Scrimshaw Pattern' is not simply the encircled growth rings like in transverse section of a tree trunk, but has a totally different pattern. Scrimshaw pattern is treated as authenticity test for ivory. Elephant molar tooth on the otherhand does not show 'Scrimshaw Pattern'.> > Thanking you and with best wishes,> > Chandrashekhar Phadke> > --- On Thu, 21/5/09, paraman777 <paraman777 wrote:> > > paraman777 <paraman777> gaj mani some news heared> sacred-objects > Thursday, 21 May, 2009, 2:14 PM> > > > > > > > > dear sirs> as far as i have heared, and some people i met casually,they said some tests for gaj mani> 1-the betel leaf if placed around it touching it eats the leaf,except the nerve portion> 2-it drinks coconut water if place in it> 3-it ha a natural vibrative feeling when placed in hands> 4-some say if put in say3kg rice it shoots down from top to bottom> the ritual for it is daily morning and evening you place it in milk of cow and change it daily> thanks> krisn> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Explore and discover exciting holidays and getaways with India Travel http://in.travel./>--- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 21, 2009 Yep and on Amavsya it makes trumpet sound like elephant......--- On Thu, 21/5/09, paraman777 <paraman777 wrote:paraman777 <paraman777 gaj mani some news hearedsacred-objects Date: Thursday, 21 May, 2009, 2:14 PMdear sirsas far as i have heared, and some people i met casually,they said some tests for gaj mani1-the betel leaf if placed around it touching it eats the leaf,except the nerve portion2-it drinks coconut water if place in it3-it ha a natural vibrative feeling when placed in hands4-some say if put in say3kg rice it shoots down from top to bottomthe ritual for it is daily morning and evening you place it in milk of cow and change it dailythankskrisn--- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 21, 2009 dear friends thank you all for your comments on the gajamani about which i have very little knowledge. however, let me clarify that i have not subjected the gajamani to any of the miracle tests as mentioned by few members but was made available as was procured from me. my making available this gajamani is more on the belief and faith that the native gets benefited from the elephant and the grace of lord ganesha. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com sacred-objects , himanshu gupte <hrgupte wrote: > > > Thank you very much.....for sharing wonderful article.... > Now I believe that there is somthing on this earth which all these ppl are calling Gaja Mani... > We learned in school... > shaile shaile na manikyam... > Moutikam na gaje gaje... > Sadhvam na sarvtra...chandnam na vane vane... > Teacher explined us the meaning of this subhashita that you can not find pearl in each elephant...and added that elephant pearl is myth.... > When I strated searching on net I thought it must be bezorar .....I tried to speak to my many zoo keeper friends...they said it must be some sort of calus formation inside the mouth of elephant...but this article explains that very nicely and scientificaly... > Thank u very much once again > H R Gupte > --- On Thu, 21/5/09, bala_songyi <balasongyi wrote: > > bala_songyi <balasongyi > Re: gaj mani some news heared > sacred-objects > Thursday, 21 May, 2009, 6:27 PM > > DEAR CHANDRASHEKAR, > > At last, I find on board another Scientist,.... > > I have heard alot about, Thee, and many member swear by their Mum, that you are Very Straight in your dealings in REAL Valumpuri Sankh... > > Some fake valumpuri dealers, pass on the fake, while buying THE REAL Thing from you, Smearing Your Good Name..... > > > Here are the co-ordinates of Raman Spectroscopy from GAA. for Elephant Pearl Assay from Kramjit Singh KNOW All and tell all. > Kramjit Singh, has no commercial interest nor has any items to sell to any body. > > sacred-objectsGajamani%20Assay%20Protocols/ > > > I would not be avail, as some Metal filings arrived from Moscow Russia, for Radio Carbon 13 Assay, to assay of Kailash Dhana Raksha Yantra. > > See all in a week from Univ Georgia . Alanta, with results... > > Till then Cheers and Have A Wonderful Spring > > sacred-objects , chphadke@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > There is no scientific test so far to check the authenticity of Gaja Mani and Gaja Mukta. The so called tests of 'Eating betel leaf, drinking coconut water, coming up through the heap of rice grains (like fish or bird ?) is all nonsense. Basically, to perform any scientific test we require a 'Control Material' or in simple words, a genuine material collected by reputed international research institute for scientific comparision. > > > > There are fake Gaja Mani made from molar tooth of elephant, or from the bone of walrus etc. The scientific test of 'Raman Spectroscopy' can only judge whether the product is from elephant or walrus or other animal ? of the control animals i.e. the animal bones of which Raman Spectroscopy data is on record. > > > > It is important to mention that the 'Raman Spectroscopy' test or 'Infrared Spectroscopy' test gives the reading proving whether the product is of Elephant, however, it can not prove or say whether it is Gaja Mani or Gaja Mukta extracted from elephant head or tusk or is simply made from elephant bone or molar tooth ? The Infrared Spectroscopy test is also a complicated scientific test. > > > > Elephant molar tooth does not show the scientific characters of elephant tusk or of ivory. Elephant ivory is much softer than molar tooth. Ivory shows a typical 'Scrimshaw Pattern' in ivory development similar to growth rings of a tree. However, the 'Scrimshaw Pattern' is not simply the encircled growth rings like in transverse section of a tree trunk, but has a totally different pattern. Scrimshaw pattern is treated as authenticity test for ivory. Elephant molar tooth on the otherhand does not show 'Scrimshaw Pattern'. > > > > Thanking you and with best wishes, > > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke > > > > --- On Thu, 21/5/09, paraman777 <paraman777@> wrote: > > > > > > paraman777 <paraman777@> > > gaj mani some news heared > > sacred-objects > > Thursday, 21 May, 2009, 2:14 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear sirs > > as far as i have heared, and some people i met casually,they said some tests for gaj mani > > 1-the betel leaf if placed around it touching it eats the leaf,except the nerve portion > > 2-it drinks coconut water if place in it > > 3-it ha a natural vibrative feeling when placed in hands > > 4-some say if put in say3kg rice it shoots down from top to bottom > > the ritual for it is daily morning and evening you place it in milk of cow and change it daily > > thanks > > krisn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Explore and discover exciting holidays and getaways with India Travel http://in.travel./ > > > > > > > --- > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 21, 2009 Sir Chandrashekhar Phadke, Excellent article with broad and meangiful scientific backup!!! Thou, at the same time, there has to be at the least one non-scientific test to prove that it is real??? May be Sir Arjun Pandit can enlighten us, on different available tests? Krish(krish667777) sacred-objects , chphadke wrote: > > > Dear friends, > > There is no scientific test so far to check the authenticity of Gaja Mani and Gaja Mukta. The so called tests of 'Eating betel leaf, drinking coconut water, coming up through the heap of rice grains (like fish or bird ?) is all nonsense. Basically, to perform any scientific test we require a 'Control Material' or in simple words, a genuine material collected by reputed international research institute for scientific comparision. > > There are fake Gaja Mani made from molar tooth of elephant, or from the bone of walrus etc. The scientific test of 'Raman Spectroscopy' can only judge whether the product is from elephant or walrus or other animal ? of the control animals i.e. the animal bones of which Raman Spectroscopy data is on record. > > It is important to mention that the 'Raman Spectroscopy' test or 'Infrared Spectroscopy' test gives the reading proving whether the product is of Elephant, however, it can not prove or say whether it is Gaja Mani or Gaja Mukta extracted from elephant head or tusk or is simply made from elephant bone or molar tooth ? The Infrared Spectroscopy test is also a complicated scientific test. > > Elephant molar tooth does not show the scientific characters of elephant tusk or of ivory. Elephant ivory is much softer than molar tooth. Ivory shows a typical 'Scrimshaw Pattern' in ivory development similar to growth rings of a tree. However, the 'Scrimshaw Pattern' is not simply the encircled growth rings like in transverse section of a tree trunk, but has a totally different pattern. Scrimshaw pattern is treated as authenticity test for ivory. Elephant molar tooth on the otherhand does not show 'Scrimshaw Pattern'. > > Thanking you and with best wishes, > > Chandrashekhar Phadke > > --- On Thu, 21/5/09, paraman777 <paraman777 wrote: > > > paraman777 <paraman777 > gaj mani some news heared > sacred-objects > Thursday, 21 May, 2009, 2:14 PM > > dear sirs > as far as i have heared, and some people i met casually,they said some tests for gaj mani > 1-the betel leaf if placed around it touching it eats the leaf,except the nerve portion > 2-it drinks coconut water if place in it > 3-it ha a natural vibrative feeling when placed in hands > 4-some say if put in say3kg rice it shoots down from top to bottom > the ritual for it is daily morning and evening you place it in milk of cow and change it daily > thanks > krisn > > > > > > > > > > > Explore and discover exciting holidays and getaways with India Travel http://in.travel./ > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 26, 2009 dear sirthe article is very meaningfulbut these things such as gm,nm ec are very godly touch items,of some spiritual valueso we can not test a thing that may be spiritual,as science is very much below spiritualitytill now can science create, a drop of blood or even a hair it it's original composition?not yet?so ,so much dependence of some people on spectroscopy and all is of not much value in finding it's real valueoffcourse ,certain nature of the material of composition can be got ,but wheather it is having certain powers can be tested by age old methods,it is saidreal GMs are ,it is heared ,only at forests tribal people headsthose are handed over from generation to generation and they do certain poojas also daily with such items,it is heardthese items are first to be given spiritual values ,instead of thinking in terms of Crores off rupees or something like thatalso all these items may not be always positive in nature,as the time of ripening may not be in a good lagna,means good favourable godly blessed timein astrology they look at position of jupitor.at the ripening timealso if we take some such items by cheating it will not be good to keep such onesall these are to be consideredthankskk--- On Fri, 22/5/09, krish667777 <krish667777 wrote:krish667777 <krish667777 Re: gaj mani some news hearedsacred-objects Date: Friday, 22 May, 2009, 3:04 AM Sir Chandrashekhar Phadke, Excellent article with broad and meangiful scientific backup!!! Thou, at the same time, there has to be at the least one non-scientific test to prove that it is real??? May be Sir Arjun Pandit can enlighten us, on different available tests? Krish(krish667777) sacred-objects, chphadke wrote: > > > Dear friends, > > There is no scientific test so far to check the authenticity of Gaja Mani and Gaja Mukta. The so called tests of 'Eating betel leaf, drinking coconut water, coming up through the heap of rice grains (like fish or bird ?) is all nonsense. Basically, to perform any scientific test we require a 'Control Material' or in simple words, a genuine material collected by reputed international research institute for scientific comparision. > > There are fake Gaja Mani made from molar tooth of elephant, or from the bone of walrus etc. The scientific test of 'Raman Spectroscopy' can only judge whether the product is from elephant or walrus or other animal ? of the control animals i.e. the animal bones of which Raman Spectroscopy data is on record. > > It is important to mention that the 'Raman Spectroscopy' test or 'Infrared Spectroscopy' test gives the reading proving whether the product is of Elephant, however, it can not prove or say whether it is Gaja Mani or Gaja Mukta extracted from elephant head or tusk or is simply made from elephant bone or molar tooth ? The Infrared Spectroscopy test is also a complicated scientif ic test. > > Elephant molar tooth does not show the scientific characters of elephant tusk or of ivory. Elephant ivory is much softer than molar tooth. Ivory shows a typical 'Scrimshaw Pattern' in ivory development similar to growth rings of a tree. However, the 'Scrimshaw Pattern' is not simply the encircled growth rings like in transverse section of a tree trunk, but has a totally different pattern. Scrimshaw pattern is treated as authenticity test for ivory. Elephant molar tooth on the otherhand does not show 'Scrimshaw Pattern'. > > Thanking you and with best wishes, > > Chandrashekhar Phadke > > --- On Thu, 21/5/09, paraman777 <paraman777@ ...> wrote: > > > paraman777 <paraman777@ ...> > gaj mani some news heared > sacred-objects > Thursday, 21 May, 2009, 2:14 PM > > > > > > > > > dear sirs > as far as i have heared, and some people i met casually,they said some tests for gaj mani > 1-the betel leaf if placed around it touching it eats the leaf,except the nerve portion > 2-it drinks coconut water if place in it > 3-it ha a natural vibrative feeling when placed in hands > 4-some say if put in say3kg rice it shoots down from top to bottom > the ritual for it is daily morning and evening you place it in milk of cow and change it daily > thanks > krisn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Explore and discover exciting holidays and getaways with India Travel http://in.travel. / > New Email addresses available on Get the Email name you've always wanted on the new @ymail and @rocketmail. Hurry before someone else does! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Report post Posted March 22, 2014 So. What Gajamukta likes - coconut water or milk or betel leaves? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
