Whelk shells WRONGLY used as Lakshmi Shanks in Temple

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THIS IS IN AN ISKCON TEMPLE. THESE PUJARIS ARE IGNORANT OF A REAL LAKSHMI SHANK

AS THEY ARE USING AMERICAN WHELK SHELLS UNDER ILLUSION. THIS IS A SHAME!

 

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It is interesting you should bring this up again now, as I just received a reply from the related enquiry (fwd your original posting back in January) I wrote to the head pujari of that temple and also to ISCKON's deity worship minstry. I received the following reply which is taken from the PANCARATRA PRADIPA. Method of Deity Worship for the International Society for Krsna Consciousness. "Most left-turning conch shells available today are what are known as "Lightning Whelks" which, although not strictly the conches meant to be used in worship, are recognized as legitimate substitutes for standard conches in many temples in India, at least for the purpose of bathing the Deity. There is no need, however, to put such "conch shells" on the altar."The Pancaratra Pradipa was compiled by

the ISKCON's GBC Deity worship research group, which included several senior sanyasis and devotees.Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66sacred-objects Sent: Tuesday, 28 April, 2009 10:48:47 Whelk shells WRONGLY used as Lakshmi Shanks in Temple

 

THIS IS IN AN ISKCON TEMPLE. THESE PUJARIS ARE IGNORANT OF A REAL LAKSHMI SHANK AS THEY ARE USING AMERICAN WHELK SHELLS UNDER ILLUSION. THIS IS A SHAME!

 

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----THIS IS NOT SHASTRA. THIS IS ISKCON MADE-UP NONSENSE. I'M A GEMOLOGIST. A

RUBY IS A RUBY OR NOT. WHELK DOESN'T COME FROM INDIA, IT ALWAYS OPENS ON THE

RIGHT, IT HAS NO THREE - SEVEN RIDGES IN THE CONCH OPENING. BOTTOM LINE IS THAT

WHELK IS NOT THE SACRED CONCH (SHANK) REFERED TO BY EXPERT COLLECTORS, SYNISTRAL

TURBINELLA PYRUM VALAMPURI SHANK, THE " LAKSHMI SHANK' --- AND WHELK IS NOT IT.

PERIOD!!! THERE IS NO MENTION OF OTHER SHELLS BESIDES SHANK IN ALL SHASTRA. THEY

CANNOT MAKE UP THE REALITY BY VOTE. CONCHOLOGISTS WORLD-WIDE ARE LAUGHING AT THE

" FOOLISH HINDUS " - SPECIALLY ISKCON, WHILE THEY USE *NON CONCH* IMPURE UNBONA

FIDE SHELL FROM THE WEST. CERTIFIED WRONG.

 

IT HAS OFTEN BEEN SITED BY SRILA PRABHUPADA ABOUT THE VEDIC EXCEPTIONS, SUCH AS

STOOL IS IMPURE BUT COW DUNG IS SUPER PURE, HE ALSO MENTIONED THAT BONES WERE

IMPURE - EXCEPT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE INDIAN SHANK (CONCH SHELL) EITHER SIDE

OPENING ARE SUPER PURE EVEN FOR USE AS A BONE IN PUJA OF BHAGAVAN. THIS IS THE

STANDARD IF YOU WANT TO START MAKING UP STANDARDS...

 

PLEASE REMIND THEM OF PRABHUPADA'S TEACHINGS ON SHELL " ONLY SHANK IS PURE " OF

BONE. BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ONLY LOOKING ABSURD, BUT ARE FURTHER WRONGLY USING AN

IMPURE BONE (WHELK) IN SERIOUS PUJA. ONLY SHANK, JUST LEFT SIDED OR BETTER RIGHT

SIDED, AND THIS SHELL, " SHANK " IF A DIFFERENT SPECIES THAN THE COMMON " WHELK "

FROM USA WHICH ARE IMPORTED INTO INDIA TO CHEAT THE INNOCENT HINDUS, INCLUDING

THE TEMPLES. BOTTOM LINE IS THAT IN MATTERS OF PUJA THE BRAHMANS SHOULD BE MORE

EXPERT WITH GEMS AND SACRED NATURAL OBJECTS. WE CANNOT NOW FABRICATE OUR

IMAGINATION AS ISKCON HAS DONE.

 

Y/s, HRISI (GIA) PG

 

 

 

sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup wrote:

>

> It is interesting you should bring this up again now, as I just received a

reply from the related enquiry (fwd your original posting back in January) I

wrote to the head pujari of that temple and also to ISCKON's deity worship

minstry. I received the following reply which is taken from the PANCARATRA

PRADIPA. Method of Deity Worship for the International Society for Krsna

Consciousness.

>

> " Most left-turning conch shells available today are what are known as

" Lightning Whelks " which, although not strictly the conches meant to be used in

worship, are recognized as legitimate substitutes for standard conches in many

temples in India, at least for the purpose of bathing the Deity. There is no

need, however, to put such " conch shells " on the altar. "

>

> The Pancaratra Pradipa was compiled by the ISKCON's GBC Deity worship research

group, which included several senior sanyasis and devotees.

________________________________

> Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66

> sacred-objects

> Tuesday, 28 April, 2009 10:48:47

> Whelk shells WRONGLY used as Lakshmi Shanks in

Temple

>

>

>

>

>

> THIS IS IN AN ISKCON TEMPLE. THESE PUJARIS ARE IGNORANT OF A REAL LAKSHMI

SHANK AS THEY ARE USING AMERICAN WHELK SHELLS UNDER ILLUSION. THIS IS A SHAME!

>

> http://groups.. / group/sacred- objects/photos/ album/23923342/

pic/946573499/ view?picmode= & mode=tn & order=ordinal & start=1 & count= 20 & dir=asc

>

[Guest guest]

Yes ok. What does shastra says about the subject matter?Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66sacred-objects Sent: Tuesday, 28 April, 2009 17:44:12 Re: Whelk shells WRONGLY used as Lakshmi Shanks in Temple

 

----THIS IS NOT SHASTRA. THIS IS ISKCON MADE-UP NONSENSE. I'M A GEMOLOGIST. A RUBY IS A RUBY OR NOT. WHELK DOESN'T COME FROM INDIA, IT ALWAYS OPENS ON THE RIGHT, IT HAS NO THREE - SEVEN RIDGES IN THE CONCH OPENING. BOTTOM LINE IS THAT WHELK IS NOT THE SACRED CONCH (SHANK) REFERED TO BY EXPERT COLLECTORS, SYNISTRAL TURBINELLA PYRUM VALAMPURI SHANK, THE "LAKSHMI SHANK' --- AND WHELK IS NOT IT. PERIOD!!! THERE IS NO MENTION OF OTHER SHELLS BESIDES SHANK IN ALL SHASTRA. THEY CANNOT MAKE UP THE REALITY BY VOTE. CONCHOLOGISTS WORLD-WIDE ARE LAUGHING AT THE "FOOLISH HINDUS" - SPECIALLY ISKCON, WHILE THEY USE *NON CONCH* IMPURE UNBONA FIDE SHELL FROM THE WEST. CERTIFIED WRONG.

 

IT HAS OFTEN BEEN SITED BY SRILA PRABHUPADA ABOUT THE VEDIC EXCEPTIONS, SUCH AS STOOL IS IMPURE BUT COW DUNG IS SUPER PURE, HE ALSO MENTIONED THAT BONES WERE IMPURE - EXCEPT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE INDIAN SHANK (CONCH SHELL) EITHER SIDE OPENING ARE SUPER PURE EVEN FOR USE AS A BONE IN PUJA OF BHAGAVAN. THIS IS THE STANDARD IF YOU WANT TO START MAKING UP STANDARDS...

 

PLEASE REMIND THEM OF PRABHUPADA'S TEACHINGS ON SHELL "ONLY SHANK IS PURE" OF BONE. BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ONLY LOOKING ABSURD, BUT ARE FURTHER WRONGLY USING AN IMPURE BONE (WHELK) IN SERIOUS PUJA. ONLY SHANK, JUST LEFT SIDED OR BETTER RIGHT SIDED, AND THIS SHELL, "SHANK" IF A DIFFERENT SPECIES THAN THE COMMON "WHELK" FROM USA WHICH ARE IMPORTED INTO INDIA TO CHEAT THE INNOCENT HINDUS, INCLUDING THE TEMPLES. BOTTOM LINE IS THAT IN MATTERS OF PUJA THE BRAHMANS SHOULD BE MORE EXPERT WITH GEMS AND SACRED NATURAL OBJECTS. WE CANNOT NOW FABRICATE OUR IMAGINATION AS ISKCON HAS DONE.

 

Y/s, HRISI (GIA) PG

 

sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup > wrote:

>

> It is interesting you should bring this up again now, as I just received a reply from the related enquiry (fwd your original posting back in January) I wrote to the head pujari of that temple and also to ISCKON's deity worship minstry. I received the following reply which is taken from the PANCARATRA PRADIPA. Method of Deity Worship for the International Society for Krsna Consciousness.

>

> "Most left-turning conch shells available today are what are known as "Lightning Whelks" which, although not strictly the conches meant to be used in worship, are recognized as legitimate substitutes for standard conches in many temples in India, at least for the purpose of bathing the Deity. There is no need, however, to put such "conch shells" on the altar."

>

> The Pancaratra Pradipa was compiled by the ISKCON's GBC Deity worship research group, which included several senior sanyasis and devotees.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66

> sacred-objects

> Tuesday, 28 April, 2009 10:48:47

> Whelk shells WRONGLY used as Lakshmi Shanks in Temple

>

>

>

>

>

> THIS IS IN AN ISKCON TEMPLE. THESE PUJARIS ARE IGNORANT OF A REAL LAKSHMI SHANK AS THEY ARE USING AMERICAN WHELK SHELLS UNDER ILLUSION. THIS IS A SHAME!

>

> http://groups. . / group/sacred- objects/photos/ album/23923342/ pic/946573499/ view?picmode= & mode=tn & order=ordinal & start=1 & count= 20 & dir=asc

>

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Hi Ole,

 

I cite my Guru, ACBSP.

 

You first cite Shastra on American " Whelk " shells. I'm sure they were unknown to

Vedic Shastra...

 

The science of Shank, i.e., CONCHOLOGY is best known to CONCHOLOGISTS & learned

BRAHMINS.

 

Y/s,

Richard

 

sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup wrote:

>

> Yes ok. What does shastra says about the subject matter?

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66

> sacred-objects

> Tuesday, 28 April, 2009 17:44:12

> Re: Whelk shells WRONGLY used as Lakshmi Shanks in

Temple

>

>

>

>

>

> ----THIS IS NOT SHASTRA. THIS IS ISKCON MADE-UP NONSENSE. I'M A GEMOLOGIST. A

RUBY IS A RUBY OR NOT. WHELK DOESN'T COME FROM INDIA, IT ALWAYS OPENS ON THE

RIGHT, IT HAS NO THREE - SEVEN RIDGES IN THE CONCH OPENING. BOTTOM LINE IS THAT

WHELK IS NOT THE SACRED CONCH (SHANK) REFERED TO BY EXPERT COLLECTORS, SYNISTRAL

TURBINELLA PYRUM VALAMPURI SHANK, THE " LAKSHMI SHANK' --- AND WHELK IS NOT IT.

PERIOD!!! THERE IS NO MENTION OF OTHER SHELLS BESIDES SHANK IN ALL SHASTRA. THEY

CANNOT MAKE UP THE REALITY BY VOTE. CONCHOLOGISTS WORLD-WIDE ARE LAUGHING AT THE

" FOOLISH HINDUS " - SPECIALLY ISKCON, WHILE THEY USE *NON CONCH* IMPURE UNBONA

FIDE SHELL FROM THE WEST. CERTIFIED WRONG.

>

> IT HAS OFTEN BEEN SITED BY SRILA PRABHUPADA ABOUT THE VEDIC EXCEPTIONS, SUCH

AS STOOL IS IMPURE BUT COW DUNG IS SUPER PURE, HE ALSO MENTIONED THAT BONES WERE

IMPURE - EXCEPT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE INDIAN SHANK (CONCH SHELL) EITHER SIDE

OPENING ARE SUPER PURE EVEN FOR USE AS A BONE IN PUJA OF BHAGAVAN. THIS IS THE

STANDARD IF YOU WANT TO START MAKING UP STANDARDS...

>

> PLEASE REMIND THEM OF PRABHUPADA'S TEACHINGS ON SHELL " ONLY SHANK IS PURE " OF

BONE. BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ONLY LOOKING ABSURD, BUT ARE FURTHER WRONGLY USING AN

IMPURE BONE (WHELK) IN SERIOUS PUJA. ONLY SHANK, JUST LEFT SIDED OR BETTER RIGHT

SIDED, AND THIS SHELL, " SHANK " IF A DIFFERENT SPECIES THAN THE COMMON " WHELK "

FROM USA WHICH ARE IMPORTED INTO INDIA TO CHEAT THE INNOCENT HINDUS, INCLUDING

THE TEMPLES.. BOTTOM LINE IS THAT IN MATTERS OF PUJA THE BRAHMANS SHOULD BE MORE

EXPERT WITH GEMS AND SACRED NATURAL OBJECTS. WE CANNOT NOW FABRICATE OUR

IMAGINATION AS ISKCON HAS DONE.

>

> Y/s, HRISI (GIA) PG

>

> sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ > wrote:

> >

> > It is interesting you should bring this up again now, as I just received a

reply from the related enquiry (fwd your original posting back in January) I

wrote to the head pujari of that temple and also to ISCKON's deity worship

minstry. I received the following reply which is taken from the PANCARATRA

PRADIPA. Method of Deity Worship for the International Society for Krsna

Consciousness..

> >

> > " Most left-turning conch shells available today are what are known as

" Lightning Whelks " which, although not strictly the conches meant to be used in

worship, are recognized as legitimate substitutes for standard conches in many

temples in India, at least for the purpose of bathing the Deity. There is no

need, however, to put such " conch shells " on the altar. "

> >

> > The Pancaratra Pradipa was compiled by the ISKCON's GBC Deity worship

research group, which included several senior sanyasis and devotees.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@>

> > sacred-objects

> > Tuesday, 28 April, 2009 10:48:47

> > Whelk shells WRONGLY used as Lakshmi Shanks in

Temple

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > THIS IS IN AN ISKCON TEMPLE. THESE PUJARIS ARE IGNORANT OF A REAL LAKSHMI

SHANK AS THEY ARE USING AMERICAN WHELK SHELLS UNDER ILLUSION. THIS IS A SHAME!

> >

> > http://groups. . / group/sacred- objects/photos/ album/23923342/

pic/946573499/ view?picmode= & mode=tn & order=ordinal & start=1 & count= 20 & dir=asc

> >

>

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Is the following a Vedic quote? Or a GBC quote? ...

 

PANCARATRA PRADIPA. Method of Deity Worship for the International Society for

Krsna Consciousness.

>

> " Most left-turning conch shells available today are what are known as

" Lightning Whelks " which, although not strictly the conches meant to be used in

worship, are recognized as legitimate substitutes for standard conches in many

temples in India, at least for the purpose of bathing the Deity. There is no

need, however, to put such " conch shells " on the altar. "

 

sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup wrote:

>

> Yes ok. What does shastra says about the subject matter?

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66

> sacred-objects

> Tuesday, 28 April, 2009 17:44:12

> Re: Whelk shells WRONGLY used as Lakshmi Shanks in

Temple

>

>

>

>

>

> ----THIS IS NOT SHASTRA. THIS IS ISKCON MADE-UP NONSENSE. I'M A GEMOLOGIST. A

RUBY IS A RUBY OR NOT. WHELK DOESN'T COME FROM INDIA, IT ALWAYS OPENS ON THE

RIGHT, IT HAS NO THREE - SEVEN RIDGES IN THE CONCH OPENING. BOTTOM LINE IS THAT

WHELK IS NOT THE SACRED CONCH (SHANK) REFERED TO BY EXPERT COLLECTORS, SYNISTRAL

TURBINELLA PYRUM VALAMPURI SHANK, THE " LAKSHMI SHANK' --- AND WHELK IS NOT IT.

PERIOD!!! THERE IS NO MENTION OF OTHER SHELLS BESIDES SHANK IN ALL SHASTRA. THEY

CANNOT MAKE UP THE REALITY BY VOTE. CONCHOLOGISTS WORLD-WIDE ARE LAUGHING AT THE

" FOOLISH HINDUS " - SPECIALLY ISKCON, WHILE THEY USE *NON CONCH* IMPURE UNBONA

FIDE SHELL FROM THE WEST. CERTIFIED WRONG.

>

> IT HAS OFTEN BEEN SITED BY SRILA PRABHUPADA ABOUT THE VEDIC EXCEPTIONS, SUCH

AS STOOL IS IMPURE BUT COW DUNG IS SUPER PURE, HE ALSO MENTIONED THAT BONES WERE

IMPURE - EXCEPT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE INDIAN SHANK (CONCH SHELL) EITHER SIDE

OPENING ARE SUPER PURE EVEN FOR USE AS A BONE IN PUJA OF BHAGAVAN. THIS IS THE

STANDARD IF YOU WANT TO START MAKING UP STANDARDS...

>

> PLEASE REMIND THEM OF PRABHUPADA'S TEACHINGS ON SHELL " ONLY SHANK IS PURE " OF

BONE. BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ONLY LOOKING ABSURD, BUT ARE FURTHER WRONGLY USING AN

IMPURE BONE (WHELK) IN SERIOUS PUJA. ONLY SHANK, JUST LEFT SIDED OR BETTER RIGHT

SIDED, AND THIS SHELL, " SHANK " IF A DIFFERENT SPECIES THAN THE COMMON " WHELK "

FROM USA WHICH ARE IMPORTED INTO INDIA TO CHEAT THE INNOCENT HINDUS, INCLUDING

THE TEMPLES.. BOTTOM LINE IS THAT IN MATTERS OF PUJA THE BRAHMANS SHOULD BE MORE

EXPERT WITH GEMS AND SACRED NATURAL OBJECTS. WE CANNOT NOW FABRICATE OUR

IMAGINATION AS ISKCON HAS DONE.

>

> Y/s, HRISI (GIA) PG

>

> sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ > wrote:

> >

> > It is interesting you should bring this up again now, as I just received a

reply from the related enquiry (fwd your original posting back in January) I

wrote to the head pujari of that temple and also to ISCKON's deity worship

minstry. I received the following reply which is taken from the PANCARATRA

PRADIPA. Method of Deity Worship for the International Society for Krsna

Consciousness..

> >

> > " Most left-turning conch shells available today are what are known as

" Lightning Whelks " which, although not strictly the conches meant to be used in

worship, are recognized as legitimate substitutes for standard conches in many

temples in India, at least for the purpose of bathing the Deity. There is no

need, however, to put such " conch shells " on the altar. "

> >

> > The Pancaratra Pradipa was compiled by the ISKCON's GBC Deity worship

research group, which included several senior sanyasis and devotees.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@>

> > sacred-objects

> > Tuesday, 28 April, 2009 10:48:47

> > Whelk shells WRONGLY used as Lakshmi Shanks in

Temple

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > THIS IS IN AN ISKCON TEMPLE. THESE PUJARIS ARE IGNORANT OF A REAL LAKSHMI

SHANK AS THEY ARE USING AMERICAN WHELK SHELLS UNDER ILLUSION. THIS IS A SHAME!

> >

> > http://groups. . / group/sacred- objects/photos/ album/23923342/

pic/946573499/ view?picmode= & mode=tn & order=ordinal & start=1 & count= 20 & dir=asc

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ole,

 

An item unknown to the Vedas from Mletcha desh is deemed impure to put on the

altar, BUT, is pure to bath the deities.

 

This is absurd!!!

 

Y/s.

R-

 

sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66 wrote:

>

> Is the following a Vedic quote? Or a GBC quote? ...

>

> PANCARATRA PRADIPA. Method of Deity Worship for the International Society for

Krsna Consciousness.

> >

> > " Most left-turning conch shells available today are what are known as

" Lightning Whelks " which, although not strictly the conches meant to be used in

worship, are recognized as legitimate substitutes for standard conches in many

temples in India, at least for the purpose of bathing the Deity. There is no

need, however, to put such " conch shells " on the altar. "

>

> sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup@> wrote:

> >

> > Yes ok. What does shastra says about the subject matter?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@>

> > sacred-objects

> > Tuesday, 28 April, 2009 17:44:12

> > Re: Whelk shells WRONGLY used as Lakshmi Shanks in

Temple

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ----THIS IS NOT SHASTRA. THIS IS ISKCON MADE-UP NONSENSE. I'M A GEMOLOGIST.

A RUBY IS A RUBY OR NOT. WHELK DOESN'T COME FROM INDIA, IT ALWAYS OPENS ON THE

RIGHT, IT HAS NO THREE - SEVEN RIDGES IN THE CONCH OPENING. BOTTOM LINE IS THAT

WHELK IS NOT THE SACRED CONCH (SHANK) REFERED TO BY EXPERT COLLECTORS, SYNISTRAL

TURBINELLA PYRUM VALAMPURI SHANK, THE " LAKSHMI SHANK' --- AND WHELK IS NOT IT.

PERIOD!!! THERE IS NO MENTION OF OTHER SHELLS BESIDES SHANK IN ALL SHASTRA. THEY

CANNOT MAKE UP THE REALITY BY VOTE. CONCHOLOGISTS WORLD-WIDE ARE LAUGHING AT THE

" FOOLISH HINDUS " - SPECIALLY ISKCON, WHILE THEY USE *NON CONCH* IMPURE UNBONA

FIDE SHELL FROM THE WEST. CERTIFIED WRONG.

> >

> > IT HAS OFTEN BEEN SITED BY SRILA PRABHUPADA ABOUT THE VEDIC EXCEPTIONS, SUCH

AS STOOL IS IMPURE BUT COW DUNG IS SUPER PURE, HE ALSO MENTIONED THAT BONES WERE

IMPURE - EXCEPT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE INDIAN SHANK (CONCH SHELL) EITHER SIDE

OPENING ARE SUPER PURE EVEN FOR USE AS A BONE IN PUJA OF BHAGAVAN. THIS IS THE

STANDARD IF YOU WANT TO START MAKING UP STANDARDS...

> >

> > PLEASE REMIND THEM OF PRABHUPADA'S TEACHINGS ON SHELL " ONLY SHANK IS PURE "

OF BONE. BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ONLY LOOKING ABSURD, BUT ARE FURTHER WRONGLY USING

AN IMPURE BONE (WHELK) IN SERIOUS PUJA. ONLY SHANK, JUST LEFT SIDED OR BETTER

RIGHT SIDED, AND THIS SHELL, " SHANK " IF A DIFFERENT SPECIES THAN THE COMMON

" WHELK " FROM USA WHICH ARE IMPORTED INTO INDIA TO CHEAT THE INNOCENT HINDUS,

INCLUDING THE TEMPLES.. BOTTOM LINE IS THAT IN MATTERS OF PUJA THE BRAHMANS

SHOULD BE MORE EXPERT WITH GEMS AND SACRED NATURAL OBJECTS. WE CANNOT NOW

FABRICATE OUR IMAGINATION AS ISKCON HAS DONE.

> >

> > Y/s, HRISI (GIA) PG

> >

> > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > It is interesting you should bring this up again now, as I just received a

reply from the related enquiry (fwd your original posting back in January) I

wrote to the head pujari of that temple and also to ISCKON's deity worship

minstry. I received the following reply which is taken from the PANCARATRA

PRADIPA. Method of Deity Worship for the International Society for Krsna

Consciousness..

> > >

> > > " Most left-turning conch shells available today are what are known as

" Lightning Whelks " which, although not strictly the conches meant to be used in

worship, are recognized as legitimate substitutes for standard conches in many

temples in India, at least for the purpose of bathing the Deity. There is no

need, however, to put such " conch shells " on the altar. "

> > >

> > > The Pancaratra Pradipa was compiled by the ISKCON's GBC Deity worship

research group, which included several senior sanyasis and devotees.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@>

> > > sacred-objects

> > > Tuesday, 28 April, 2009 10:48:47

> > > Whelk shells WRONGLY used as Lakshmi Shanks in

Temple

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > THIS IS IN AN ISKCON TEMPLE. THESE PUJARIS ARE IGNORANT OF A REAL LAKSHMI

SHANK AS THEY ARE USING AMERICAN WHELK SHELLS UNDER ILLUSION. THIS IS A SHAME!

> > >

> > > http://groups. . / group/sacred- objects/photos/ album/23923342/

pic/946573499/ view?picmode= & mode=tn & order=ordinal & start=1 & count= 20 & dir=asc

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Vedic????? do Vedas talk about how to bath any deity????Plz correct me if I am wrong....--- On Thu, 30/4/09, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote:Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 Re: Whelk shells WRONGLY used as Lakshmi Shanks in Templesacred-objects Date: Thursday, 30 April, 2009, 4:24 AMIs the following a Vedic quote? Or a GBC quote? ...PANCARATRA PRADIPA. Method of Deity Worship for the International Society for Krsna Consciousness.>> "Most left-turning conch shells available today are what are known as "Lightning Whelks" which, although not strictly the conches meant to be used in

worship, are recognized as legitimate substitutes for standard conches in many temples in India, at least for the purpose of bathing the Deity. There is no need, however, to put such "conch shells" on the altar."sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup wrote:>> Yes ok. What does shastra says about the subject matter?> > > > > ________________________________> Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66> sacred-objects > Tuesday, 28 April, 2009 17:44:12> Re: Whelk shells WRONGLY used as Lakshmi Shanks in Temple> > > > > > ----THIS IS NOT

SHASTRA. THIS IS ISKCON MADE-UP NONSENSE. I'M A GEMOLOGIST. A RUBY IS A RUBY OR NOT. WHELK DOESN'T COME FROM INDIA, IT ALWAYS OPENS ON THE RIGHT, IT HAS NO THREE - SEVEN RIDGES IN THE CONCH OPENING. BOTTOM LINE IS THAT WHELK IS NOT THE SACRED CONCH (SHANK) REFERED TO BY EXPERT COLLECTORS, SYNISTRAL TURBINELLA PYRUM VALAMPURI SHANK, THE "LAKSHMI SHANK' --- AND WHELK IS NOT IT. PERIOD!!! THERE IS NO MENTION OF OTHER SHELLS BESIDES SHANK IN ALL SHASTRA. THEY CANNOT MAKE UP THE REALITY BY VOTE. CONCHOLOGISTS WORLD-WIDE ARE LAUGHING AT THE "FOOLISH HINDUS" - SPECIALLY ISKCON, WHILE THEY USE *NON CONCH* IMPURE UNBONA FIDE SHELL FROM THE WEST. CERTIFIED WRONG. > > IT HAS OFTEN BEEN SITED BY SRILA PRABHUPADA ABOUT THE VEDIC EXCEPTIONS, SUCH AS STOOL IS IMPURE BUT COW DUNG IS SUPER PURE, HE ALSO MENTIONED THAT BONES WERE IMPURE - EXCEPT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE INDIAN SHANK (CONCH SHELL) EITHER SIDE OPENING ARE SUPER PURE EVEN FOR USE AS A BONE IN

PUJA OF BHAGAVAN. THIS IS THE STANDARD IF YOU WANT TO START MAKING UP STANDARDS...> > PLEASE REMIND THEM OF PRABHUPADA'S TEACHINGS ON SHELL "ONLY SHANK IS PURE" OF BONE. BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ONLY LOOKING ABSURD, BUT ARE FURTHER WRONGLY USING AN IMPURE BONE (WHELK) IN SERIOUS PUJA. ONLY SHANK, JUST LEFT SIDED OR BETTER RIGHT SIDED, AND THIS SHELL, "SHANK" IF A DIFFERENT SPECIES THAN THE COMMON "WHELK" FROM USA WHICH ARE IMPORTED INTO INDIA TO CHEAT THE INNOCENT HINDUS, INCLUDING THE TEMPLES.. BOTTOM LINE IS THAT IN MATTERS OF PUJA THE BRAHMANS SHOULD BE MORE EXPERT WITH GEMS AND SACRED NATURAL OBJECTS. WE CANNOT NOW FABRICATE OUR IMAGINATION AS ISKCON HAS DONE.> > Y/s, HRISI (GIA) PG> > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ > wrote:> >> > It is interesting you should bring this up again now, as I just received a reply from the related enquiry (fwd your original

posting back in January) I wrote to the head pujari of that temple and also to ISCKON's deity worship minstry. I received the following reply which is taken from the PANCARATRA PRADIPA. Method of Deity Worship for the International Society for Krsna Consciousness..> > > > "Most left-turning conch shells available today are what are known as "Lightning Whelks" which, although not strictly the conches meant to be used in worship, are recognized as legitimate substitutes for standard conches in many temples in India, at least for the purpose of bathing the Deity. There is no need, however, to put such "conch shells" on the altar."> > > > The Pancaratra Pradipa was compiled by the ISKCON's GBC Deity worship research group, which included several senior sanyasis and devotees.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> >

Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@>> > sacred-objects> > Tuesday, 28 April, 2009 10:48:47> > Whelk shells WRONGLY used as Lakshmi Shanks in Temple> > > > > > > > > > > > THIS IS IN AN ISKCON TEMPLE. THESE PUJARIS ARE IGNORANT OF A REAL LAKSHMI SHANK AS THEY ARE USING AMERICAN WHELK SHELLS UNDER ILLUSION. THIS IS A SHAME!> > > > http://groups. . / group/sacred- objects/photos/ album/23923342/ pic/946573499/ view?picmode= & mode=tn & order=ordinal & start=1 & count= 20 & dir=asc> >>---

[Guest guest]

Hi Richard,

 

I contacted an ISKCON sanyasi of my acquaintance who was in the research group.

He referred me to another devotee who is presently revising their manual, should

I forward the thread here as it is or do you want to contact him personally?

 

Ys, Ole

 

sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66 wrote:

>

> Hi Ole,

>

> An item unknown to the Vedas from Mletcha desh is deemed impure to put on the

altar, BUT, is pure to bath the deities.

>

> This is absurd!!!

>

> Y/s.

> R-

>

> sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66@> wrote:

> >

> > Is the following a Vedic quote? Or a GBC quote? ...

> >

> > PANCARATRA PRADIPA. Method of Deity Worship for the International Society

for Krsna Consciousness.

> > >

> > > " Most left-turning conch shells available today are what are known as

" Lightning Whelks " which, although not strictly the conches meant to be used in

worship, are recognized as legitimate substitutes for standard conches in many

temples in India, at least for the purpose of bathing the Deity. There is no

need, however, to put such " conch shells " on the altar. "

> >

> > sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Yes ok. What does shastra says about the subject matter?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@>

> > > sacred-objects

> > > Tuesday, 28 April, 2009 17:44:12

> > > Re: Whelk shells WRONGLY used as Lakshmi Shanks

in Temple

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ----THIS IS NOT SHASTRA. THIS IS ISKCON MADE-UP NONSENSE. I'M A

GEMOLOGIST. A RUBY IS A RUBY OR NOT. WHELK DOESN'T COME FROM INDIA, IT ALWAYS

OPENS ON THE RIGHT, IT HAS NO THREE - SEVEN RIDGES IN THE CONCH OPENING. BOTTOM

LINE IS THAT WHELK IS NOT THE SACRED CONCH (SHANK) REFERED TO BY EXPERT

COLLECTORS, SYNISTRAL TURBINELLA PYRUM VALAMPURI SHANK, THE " LAKSHMI SHANK' ---

AND WHELK IS NOT IT. PERIOD!!! THERE IS NO MENTION OF OTHER SHELLS BESIDES SHANK

IN ALL SHASTRA. THEY CANNOT MAKE UP THE REALITY BY VOTE. CONCHOLOGISTS

WORLD-WIDE ARE LAUGHING AT THE " FOOLISH HINDUS " - SPECIALLY ISKCON, WHILE THEY

USE *NON CONCH* IMPURE UNBONA FIDE SHELL FROM THE WEST. CERTIFIED WRONG.

> > >

> > > IT HAS OFTEN BEEN SITED BY SRILA PRABHUPADA ABOUT THE VEDIC EXCEPTIONS,

SUCH AS STOOL IS IMPURE BUT COW DUNG IS SUPER PURE, HE ALSO MENTIONED THAT BONES

WERE IMPURE - EXCEPT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE INDIAN SHANK (CONCH SHELL) EITHER

SIDE OPENING ARE SUPER PURE EVEN FOR USE AS A BONE IN PUJA OF BHAGAVAN. THIS IS

THE STANDARD IF YOU WANT TO START MAKING UP STANDARDS...

> > >

> > > PLEASE REMIND THEM OF PRABHUPADA'S TEACHINGS ON SHELL " ONLY SHANK IS PURE "

OF BONE. BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ONLY LOOKING ABSURD, BUT ARE FURTHER WRONGLY USING

AN IMPURE BONE (WHELK) IN SERIOUS PUJA. ONLY SHANK, JUST LEFT SIDED OR BETTER

RIGHT SIDED, AND THIS SHELL, " SHANK " IF A DIFFERENT SPECIES THAN THE COMMON

" WHELK " FROM USA WHICH ARE IMPORTED INTO INDIA TO CHEAT THE INNOCENT HINDUS,

INCLUDING THE TEMPLES.. BOTTOM LINE IS THAT IN MATTERS OF PUJA THE BRAHMANS

SHOULD BE MORE EXPERT WITH GEMS AND SACRED NATURAL OBJECTS. WE CANNOT NOW

FABRICATE OUR IMAGINATION AS ISKCON HAS DONE.

> > >

> > > Y/s, HRISI (GIA) PG

> > >

> > > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > It is interesting you should bring this up again now, as I just received

a reply from the related enquiry (fwd your original posting back in January) I

wrote to the head pujari of that temple and also to ISCKON's deity worship

minstry. I received the following reply which is taken from the PANCARATRA

PRADIPA. Method of Deity Worship for the International Society for Krsna

Consciousness..

> > > >

> > > > " Most left-turning conch shells available today are what are known as

" Lightning Whelks " which, although not strictly the conches meant to be used in

worship, are recognized as legitimate substitutes for standard conches in many

temples in India, at least for the purpose of bathing the Deity. There is no

need, however, to put such " conch shells " on the altar. "

> > > >

> > > > The Pancaratra Pradipa was compiled by the ISKCON's GBC Deity worship

research group, which included several senior sanyasis and devotees.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@>

> > > > sacred-objects

> > > > Tuesday, 28 April, 2009 10:48:47

> > > > Whelk shells WRONGLY used as Lakshmi Shanks in

Temple

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > THIS IS IN AN ISKCON TEMPLE. THESE PUJARIS ARE IGNORANT OF A REAL

LAKSHMI SHANK AS THEY ARE USING AMERICAN WHELK SHELLS UNDER ILLUSION. THIS IS A

SHAME!

> > > >

> > > > http://groups. . / group/sacred- objects/photos/

album/23923342/ pic/946573499/ view?picmode= & mode=tn & order=ordinal &

start=1 & count= 20 & dir=asc

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Tell those guys that they're embarrassing me. ONLY USE INDIAN SHANK, normal OR

Valampuri. Whelk is ashudha. But even BIG non Iskcon temples sometimes are

fooled by these shells, so it is not only Iskcon who are wrong in this regard.

Real is real, and all else is false... Please send them all the info... It will

be good improvement.

thanks... thats a good service. Y/s, R-

 

sacred-objects , " alstrup " <alstrup wrote:

>

> Hi Richard,

>

> I contacted an ISKCON sanyasi of my acquaintance who was in the research

group. He referred me to another devotee who is presently revising their manual,

should I forward the thread here as it is or do you want to contact him

personally?

>

> Ys, Ole

>

> sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Ole,

> >

> > An item unknown to the Vedas from Mletcha desh is deemed impure to put on

the altar, BUT, is pure to bath the deities.

> >

> > This is absurd!!!

> >

> > Y/s.

> > R-

> >

> > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Is the following a Vedic quote? Or a GBC quote? ...

> > >

> > > PANCARATRA PRADIPA. Method of Deity Worship for the International Society

for Krsna Consciousness.

> > > >

> > > > " Most left-turning conch shells available today are what are known as

" Lightning Whelks " which, although not strictly the conches meant to be used in

worship, are recognized as legitimate substitutes for standard conches in many

temples in India, at least for the purpose of bathing the Deity. There is no

need, however, to put such " conch shells " on the altar. "

> > >

> > > sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Yes ok. What does shastra says about the subject matter?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@>

> > > > sacred-objects

> > > > Tuesday, 28 April, 2009 17:44:12

> > > > Re: Whelk shells WRONGLY used as Lakshmi

Shanks in Temple

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ----THIS IS NOT SHASTRA. THIS IS ISKCON MADE-UP NONSENSE. I'M A

GEMOLOGIST. A RUBY IS A RUBY OR NOT. WHELK DOESN'T COME FROM INDIA, IT ALWAYS

OPENS ON THE RIGHT, IT HAS NO THREE - SEVEN RIDGES IN THE CONCH OPENING. BOTTOM

LINE IS THAT WHELK IS NOT THE SACRED CONCH (SHANK) REFERED TO BY EXPERT

COLLECTORS, SYNISTRAL TURBINELLA PYRUM VALAMPURI SHANK, THE " LAKSHMI SHANK' ---

AND WHELK IS NOT IT. PERIOD!!! THERE IS NO MENTION OF OTHER SHELLS BESIDES SHANK

IN ALL SHASTRA. THEY CANNOT MAKE UP THE REALITY BY VOTE. CONCHOLOGISTS

WORLD-WIDE ARE LAUGHING AT THE " FOOLISH HINDUS " - SPECIALLY ISKCON, WHILE THEY

USE *NON CONCH* IMPURE UNBONA FIDE SHELL FROM THE WEST. CERTIFIED WRONG.

> > > >

> > > > IT HAS OFTEN BEEN SITED BY SRILA PRABHUPADA ABOUT THE VEDIC EXCEPTIONS,

SUCH AS STOOL IS IMPURE BUT COW DUNG IS SUPER PURE, HE ALSO MENTIONED THAT BONES

WERE IMPURE - EXCEPT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE INDIAN SHANK (CONCH SHELL) EITHER

SIDE OPENING ARE SUPER PURE EVEN FOR USE AS A BONE IN PUJA OF BHAGAVAN. THIS IS

THE STANDARD IF YOU WANT TO START MAKING UP STANDARDS...

> > > >

> > > > PLEASE REMIND THEM OF PRABHUPADA'S TEACHINGS ON SHELL " ONLY SHANK IS

PURE " OF BONE. BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ONLY LOOKING ABSURD, BUT ARE FURTHER WRONGLY

USING AN IMPURE BONE (WHELK) IN SERIOUS PUJA. ONLY SHANK, JUST LEFT SIDED OR

BETTER RIGHT SIDED, AND THIS SHELL, " SHANK " IF A DIFFERENT SPECIES THAN THE

COMMON " WHELK " FROM USA WHICH ARE IMPORTED INTO INDIA TO CHEAT THE INNOCENT

HINDUS, INCLUDING THE TEMPLES.. BOTTOM LINE IS THAT IN MATTERS OF PUJA THE

BRAHMANS SHOULD BE MORE EXPERT WITH GEMS AND SACRED NATURAL OBJECTS. WE CANNOT

NOW FABRICATE OUR IMAGINATION AS ISKCON HAS DONE.

> > > >

> > > > Y/s, HRISI (GIA) PG

> > > >

> > > > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > It is interesting you should bring this up again now, as I just

received a reply from the related enquiry (fwd your original posting back in

January) I wrote to the head pujari of that temple and also to ISCKON's deity

worship minstry. I received the following reply which is taken from the

PANCARATRA PRADIPA. Method of Deity Worship for the International Society for

Krsna Consciousness..

> > > > >

> > > > > " Most left-turning conch shells available today are what are known as

" Lightning Whelks " which, although not strictly the conches meant to be used in

worship, are recognized as legitimate substitutes for standard conches in many

temples in India, at least for the purpose of bathing the Deity. There is no

need, however, to put such " conch shells " on the altar. "

> > > > >

> > > > > The Pancaratra Pradipa was compiled by the ISKCON's GBC Deity worship

research group, which included several senior sanyasis and devotees.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@>

> > > > > sacred-objects

> > > > > Tuesday, 28 April, 2009 10:48:47

> > > > > Whelk shells WRONGLY used as Lakshmi Shanks

in Temple

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > THIS IS IN AN ISKCON TEMPLE. THESE PUJARIS ARE IGNORANT OF A REAL

LAKSHMI SHANK AS THEY ARE USING AMERICAN WHELK SHELLS UNDER ILLUSION. THIS IS A

SHAME!

> > > > >

> > > > > http://groups. . / group/sacred- objects/photos/

album/23923342/ pic/946573499/ view?picmode= & mode=tn & order=ordinal &

start=1 & count= 20 & dir=asc

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hare Krishna,I am residing in Malaysia and not only Iskcon Temple but all the hindu temple are using the lightining whelk as Lakshmi conch and also conduct pooja and sell it for RM 108.Even though I have brought up this but they are not intrested in my feedback.Including Iskcon devotees.Best Regards -Raja- --- On Fri, 8/5/09, alstrup <alstrup wrote:alstrup <alstrup Re: Whelk shells WRONGLY used as Lakshmi Shanks in Templesacred-objects Date: Friday, 8 May, 2009, 9:36 PM

 

Hi Richard,

 

I contacted an ISKCON sanyasi of my acquaintance who was in the research group. He referred me to another devotee who is presently revising their manual, should I forward the thread here as it is or do you want to contact him personally?

 

Ys, Ole

 

sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw Brown" <rsbj66 wrote:

>

> Hi Ole,

>

> An item unknown to the Vedas from Mletcha desh is deemed impure to put on the altar, BUT, is pure to bath the deities.

>

> This is absurd!!!

>

> Y/s.

> R-

>

> sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw Brown" <rsbj66@> wrote:

> >

> > Is the following a Vedic quote? Or a GBC quote? ....

> >

> > PANCARATRA PRADIPA. Method of Deity Worship for the International Society for Krsna Consciousness.

> > >

> > > "Most left-turning conch shells available today are what are known as "Lightning Whelks" which, although not strictly the conches meant to be used in worship, are recognized as legitimate substitutes for standard conches in many temples in India, at least for the purpose of bathing the Deity. There is no need, however, to put such "conch shells" on the altar."

> >

> > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Yes ok. What does shastra says about the subject matter?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@>

> > > sacred-objects

> > > Tuesday, 28 April, 2009 17:44:12

> > > Re: Whelk shells WRONGLY used as Lakshmi Shanks in Temple

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ----THIS IS NOT SHASTRA. THIS IS ISKCON MADE-UP NONSENSE. I'M A GEMOLOGIST. A RUBY IS A RUBY OR NOT. WHELK DOESN'T COME FROM INDIA, IT ALWAYS OPENS ON THE RIGHT, IT HAS NO THREE - SEVEN RIDGES IN THE CONCH OPENING. BOTTOM LINE IS THAT WHELK IS NOT THE SACRED CONCH (SHANK) REFERED TO BY EXPERT COLLECTORS, SYNISTRAL TURBINELLA PYRUM VALAMPURI SHANK, THE "LAKSHMI SHANK' --- AND WHELK IS NOT IT. PERIOD!!! THERE IS NO MENTION OF OTHER SHELLS BESIDES SHANK IN ALL SHASTRA. THEY CANNOT MAKE UP THE REALITY BY VOTE. CONCHOLOGISTS WORLD-WIDE ARE LAUGHING AT THE "FOOLISH HINDUS" - SPECIALLY ISKCON, WHILE THEY USE *NON CONCH* IMPURE UNBONA FIDE SHELL FROM THE WEST. CERTIFIED WRONG.

> > >

> > > IT HAS OFTEN BEEN SITED BY SRILA PRABHUPADA ABOUT THE VEDIC EXCEPTIONS, SUCH AS STOOL IS IMPURE BUT COW DUNG IS SUPER PURE, HE ALSO MENTIONED THAT BONES WERE IMPURE - EXCEPT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE INDIAN SHANK (CONCH SHELL) EITHER SIDE OPENING ARE SUPER PURE EVEN FOR USE AS A BONE IN PUJA OF BHAGAVAN. THIS IS THE STANDARD IF YOU WANT TO START MAKING UP STANDARDS...

> > >

> > > PLEASE REMIND THEM OF PRABHUPADA'S TEACHINGS ON SHELL "ONLY SHANK IS PURE" OF BONE. BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ONLY LOOKING ABSURD, BUT ARE FURTHER WRONGLY USING AN IMPURE BONE (WHELK) IN SERIOUS PUJA. ONLY SHANK, JUST LEFT SIDED OR BETTER RIGHT SIDED, AND THIS SHELL, "SHANK" IF A DIFFERENT SPECIES THAN THE COMMON "WHELK" FROM USA WHICH ARE IMPORTED INTO INDIA TO CHEAT THE INNOCENT HINDUS, INCLUDING THE TEMPLES.. BOTTOM LINE IS THAT IN MATTERS OF PUJA THE BRAHMANS SHOULD BE MORE EXPERT WITH GEMS AND SACRED NATURAL OBJECTS. WE CANNOT NOW FABRICATE OUR IMAGINATION AS ISKCON HAS DONE.

> > >

> > > Y/s, HRISI (GIA) PG

> > >

> > > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > It is interesting you should bring this up again now, as I just received a reply from the related enquiry (fwd your original posting back in January) I wrote to the head pujari of that temple and also to ISCKON's deity worship minstry. I received the following reply which is taken from the PANCARATRA PRADIPA. Method of Deity Worship for the International Society for Krsna Consciousness. .

> > > >

> > > > "Most left-turning conch shells available today are what are known as "Lightning Whelks" which, although not strictly the conches meant to be used in worship, are recognized as legitimate substitutes for standard conches in many temples in India, at least for the purpose of bathing the Deity. There is no need, however, to put such "conch shells" on the altar."

> > > >

> > > > The Pancaratra Pradipa was compiled by the ISKCON's GBC Deity worship research group, which included several senior sanyasis and devotees.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@>

> > > > sacred-objects

> > > > Tuesday, 28 April, 2009 10:48:47

> > > > Whelk shells WRONGLY used as Lakshmi Shanks in Temple

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > THIS IS IN AN ISKCON TEMPLE. THESE PUJARIS ARE IGNORANT OF A REAL LAKSHMI SHANK AS THEY ARE USING AMERICAN WHELK SHELLS UNDER ILLUSION. THIS IS A SHAME!

> > > >

> > > > http://groups. . / group/sacred- objects/photos/ album/23923342/ pic/946573499/ view?picmode= & mode=tn & order=ordinal & start=1 & count= 20 & dir=asc

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

 

 

 

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What fools ever listened to expert advice? The matter should be taken to:1) ISKCON GBC2) VISWA HINDU PARISHAD3) BETTER BUSINESS B4) POLICE---IT IS FRAUD!!!Richard Shaw Brown, PGMusician, Designer, Gemologist & Authorwww.richardshawbrown.com--- On Sat, 9/5/09, Raja Murari dasa <jagannathbaladev wrote:Raja Murari dasa

<jagannathbaladevRe: Re: Whelk shells WRONGLY used as Lakshmi Shanks in Templesacred-objects Date: Saturday, 9 May, 2009, 10:17 AM

 

Hare Krishna,I am residing in Malaysia and not only Iskcon Temple but all the hindu temple are using the lightining whelk as Lakshmi conch and also conduct pooja and sell it for RM 108.Even though I have brought up this but they are not intrested in my feedback.Including Iskcon devotees.Best Regards -Raja- --- On Fri, 8/5/09, alstrup <alstrup > wrote:alstrup <alstrup > Re: Whelk shells WRONGLY used as Lakshmi Shanks in Templesacred-objectsDate:

Friday, 8 May, 2009, 9:36 PM

 

Hi Richard,

 

I contacted an ISKCON sanyasi of my acquaintance who was in the research group. He referred me to another devotee who is presently revising their manual, should I forward the thread here as it is or do you want to contact him personally?

 

Ys, Ole

 

sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw Brown" <rsbj66 wrote:

>

> Hi Ole,

>

> An item unknown to the Vedas from Mletcha desh is deemed impure to put on the altar, BUT, is pure to bath the deities.

>

> This is absurd!!!

>

> Y/s.

> R-

>

> sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw Brown" <rsbj66@> wrote:

> >

> > Is the following a Vedic quote? Or a GBC quote? ....

> >

> > PANCARATRA PRADIPA. Method of Deity Worship for the International Society for Krsna Consciousness.

> > >

> > > "Most left-turning conch shells available today are what are known as "Lightning Whelks" which, although not strictly the conches meant to be used in worship, are recognized as legitimate substitutes for standard conches in many temples in India, at least for the purpose of bathing the Deity. There is no need, however, to put such "conch shells" on the altar."

> >

> > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Yes ok. What does shastra says about the subject matter?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@>

> > > sacred-objects

> > > Tuesday, 28 April, 2009 17:44:12

> > > Re: Whelk shells WRONGLY used as Lakshmi Shanks in Temple

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ----THIS IS NOT SHASTRA. THIS IS ISKCON MADE-UP NONSENSE. I'M A GEMOLOGIST. A RUBY IS A RUBY OR NOT. WHELK DOESN'T COME FROM INDIA, IT ALWAYS OPENS ON THE RIGHT, IT HAS NO THREE - SEVEN RIDGES IN THE CONCH OPENING. BOTTOM LINE IS THAT WHELK IS NOT THE SACRED CONCH (SHANK) REFERED TO BY EXPERT COLLECTORS, SYNISTRAL TURBINELLA PYRUM VALAMPURI SHANK, THE "LAKSHMI SHANK' --- AND WHELK IS NOT IT. PERIOD!!! THERE IS NO MENTION OF OTHER SHELLS BESIDES SHANK IN ALL SHASTRA. THEY CANNOT MAKE UP THE REALITY BY VOTE. CONCHOLOGISTS WORLD-WIDE ARE LAUGHING AT THE "FOOLISH HINDUS" - SPECIALLY ISKCON, WHILE THEY USE *NON CONCH* IMPURE UNBONA FIDE SHELL FROM THE WEST. CERTIFIED WRONG.

> > >

> > > IT HAS OFTEN BEEN SITED BY SRILA PRABHUPADA ABOUT THE VEDIC EXCEPTIONS, SUCH AS STOOL IS IMPURE BUT COW DUNG IS SUPER PURE, HE ALSO MENTIONED THAT BONES WERE IMPURE - EXCEPT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE INDIAN SHANK (CONCH SHELL) EITHER SIDE OPENING ARE SUPER PURE EVEN FOR USE AS A BONE IN PUJA OF BHAGAVAN. THIS IS THE STANDARD IF YOU WANT TO START MAKING UP STANDARDS...

> > >

> > > PLEASE REMIND THEM OF PRABHUPADA'S TEACHINGS ON SHELL "ONLY SHANK IS PURE" OF BONE. BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ONLY LOOKING ABSURD, BUT ARE FURTHER WRONGLY USING AN IMPURE BONE (WHELK) IN SERIOUS PUJA. ONLY SHANK, JUST LEFT SIDED OR BETTER RIGHT SIDED, AND THIS SHELL, "SHANK" IF A DIFFERENT SPECIES THAN THE COMMON "WHELK" FROM USA WHICH ARE IMPORTED INTO INDIA TO CHEAT THE INNOCENT HINDUS, INCLUDING THE TEMPLES.. BOTTOM LINE IS THAT IN MATTERS OF PUJA THE BRAHMANS SHOULD BE MORE EXPERT WITH GEMS AND SACRED NATURAL OBJECTS. WE CANNOT NOW FABRICATE OUR IMAGINATION AS ISKCON HAS DONE.

> > >

> > > Y/s, HRISI (GIA) PG

> > >

> > > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > It is interesting you should bring this up again now, as I just received a reply from the related enquiry (fwd your original posting back in January) I wrote to the head pujari of that temple and also to ISCKON's deity worship minstry. I received the following reply which is taken from the PANCARATRA PRADIPA. Method of Deity Worship for the International Society for Krsna Consciousness. .

> > > >

> > > > "Most left-turning conch shells available today are what are known as "Lightning Whelks" which, although not strictly the conches meant to be used in worship, are recognized as legitimate substitutes for standard conches in many temples in India, at least for the purpose of bathing the Deity. There is no need, however, to put such "conch shells" on the altar."

> > > >

> > > > The Pancaratra Pradipa was compiled by the ISKCON's GBC Deity worship research group, which included several senior sanyasis and devotees.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@>

> > > > sacred-objects

> > > > Tuesday, 28 April, 2009 10:48:47

> > > > Whelk shells WRONGLY used as Lakshmi Shanks in Temple

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > THIS IS IN AN ISKCON TEMPLE. THESE PUJARIS ARE IGNORANT OF A REAL LAKSHMI SHANK AS THEY ARE USING AMERICAN WHELK SHELLS UNDER ILLUSION. THIS IS A SHAME!

> > > >

> > > > http://groups. . / group/sacred- objects/photos/ album/23923342/ pic/946573499/ view?picmode= & mode=tn & order=ordinal & start=1 & count= 20 & dir=asc

> > > >

> > >

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Before I proceed, I am wondering if there are any compiled references on this

matter in Sri Hari-Bhakti Vilasa by Srila Sanatana Gosvami?

 

Thanks,

 

Ys, Ole

 

sacred-objects , Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote:

>

> What fools ever listened to expert advice? The matter should be taken to:

> 1) ISKCON GBC

> 2) VISWA HINDU PARISHAD

> 3) BETTER BUSINESS B

> 4) POLICE

> ---IT IS FRAUD!!!

>

>

> Richard Shaw Brown, PG

> Musician, Designer, Gemologist & Author

> www.richardshawbrown.com

>

> --- On Sat, 9/5/09, Raja Murari dasa <jagannathbaladev wrote:

>

> Raja Murari dasa <jagannathbaladev

> Re: Re: Whelk shells WRONGLY used as Lakshmi Shanks

in Temple

> sacred-objects

> Saturday, 9 May, 2009, 10:17 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

Hare Krishna,

>

> I am residing in Malaysia and not only Iskcon Temple but all the hindu temple

are using the lightining whelk as Lakshmi conch and also conduct pooja and sell

it for RM 108.Even though I have brought up this but they are not intrested in

my feedback.Including Iskcon devotees.

>

> Best Regards

> -Raja-

>

>

>

> --- On Fri, 8/5/09, alstrup <alstrup > wrote:

>

> alstrup <alstrup >

> Re: Whelk shells WRONGLY used as Lakshmi Shanks in

Temple

> sacred-objects

> Friday, 8 May, 2009, 9:36 PM

>

>

>

>

Hi Richard,

>

>

>

> I contacted an ISKCON sanyasi of my acquaintance who was in the research

group. He referred me to another devotee who is presently revising their manual,

should I forward the thread here as it is or do you want to contact him

personally?

>

>

>

> Ys, Ole

>

>

>

> sacred-objects, " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66@> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Hi Ole,

>

> >

>

> > An item unknown to the Vedas from Mletcha desh is deemed impure to put on

the altar, BUT, is pure to bath the deities.

>

> >

>

> > This is absurd!!!

>

> >

>

> > Y/s.

>

> > R-

>

> >

>

> > sacred-objects, " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66@>

wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > Is the following a Vedic quote? Or a GBC quote? ....

>

> > >

>

> > > PANCARATRA PRADIPA. Method of Deity Worship for the International Society

for Krsna Consciousness.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > " Most left-turning conch shells available today are what are known as

" Lightning Whelks " which, although not strictly the conches meant to be used in

worship, are recognized as legitimate substitutes for standard conches in many

temples in India, at least for the purpose of bathing the Deity. There is no

need, however, to put such " conch shells " on the altar. "

>

> > >

>

> > > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@> wrote:

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Yes ok. What does shastra says about the subject matter?

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> > > > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@>

>

> > > > sacred-objects

>

> > > > Tuesday, 28 April, 2009 17:44:12

>

> > > > Re: Whelk shells WRONGLY used as Lakshmi

Shanks in Temple

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > > ----THIS IS NOT SHASTRA. THIS IS ISKCON MADE-UP NONSENSE. I'M A

GEMOLOGIST. A RUBY IS A RUBY OR NOT. WHELK DOESN'T COME FROM INDIA, IT ALWAYS

OPENS ON THE RIGHT, IT HAS NO THREE - SEVEN RIDGES IN THE CONCH OPENING. BOTTOM

LINE IS THAT WHELK IS NOT THE SACRED CONCH (SHANK) REFERED TO BY EXPERT

COLLECTORS, SYNISTRAL TURBINELLA PYRUM VALAMPURI SHANK, THE " LAKSHMI SHANK' ---

AND WHELK IS NOT IT. PERIOD!!! THERE IS NO MENTION OF OTHER SHELLS BESIDES SHANK

IN ALL SHASTRA. THEY CANNOT MAKE UP THE REALITY BY VOTE. CONCHOLOGISTS

WORLD-WIDE ARE LAUGHING AT THE " FOOLISH HINDUS " - SPECIALLY ISKCON, WHILE THEY

USE *NON CONCH* IMPURE UNBONA FIDE SHELL FROM THE WEST. CERTIFIED WRONG.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > IT HAS OFTEN BEEN SITED BY SRILA PRABHUPADA ABOUT THE VEDIC EXCEPTIONS,

SUCH AS STOOL IS IMPURE BUT COW DUNG IS SUPER PURE, HE ALSO MENTIONED THAT BONES

WERE IMPURE - EXCEPT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE INDIAN SHANK (CONCH SHELL) EITHER

SIDE OPENING ARE SUPER PURE EVEN FOR USE AS A BONE IN PUJA OF BHAGAVAN. THIS IS

THE STANDARD IF YOU WANT TO START MAKING UP STANDARDS...

>

> > > >

>

> > > > PLEASE REMIND THEM OF PRABHUPADA'S TEACHINGS ON SHELL " ONLY SHANK IS

PURE " OF BONE. BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ONLY LOOKING ABSURD, BUT ARE FURTHER WRONGLY

USING AN IMPURE BONE (WHELK) IN SERIOUS PUJA. ONLY SHANK, JUST LEFT SIDED OR

BETTER RIGHT SIDED, AND THIS SHELL, " SHANK " IF A DIFFERENT SPECIES THAN THE

COMMON " WHELK " FROM USA WHICH ARE IMPORTED INTO INDIA TO CHEAT THE INNOCENT

HINDUS, INCLUDING THE TEMPLES.. BOTTOM LINE IS THAT IN MATTERS OF PUJA THE

BRAHMANS SHOULD BE MORE EXPERT WITH GEMS AND SACRED NATURAL OBJECTS. WE CANNOT

NOW FABRICATE OUR IMAGINATION AS ISKCON HAS DONE.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Y/s, HRISI (GIA) PG

>

> > > >

>

> > > > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ > wrote:

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > It is interesting you should bring this up again now, as I just

received a reply from the related enquiry (fwd your original posting back in

January) I wrote to the head pujari of that temple and also to ISCKON's deity

worship minstry. I received the following reply which is taken from the

PANCARATRA PRADIPA. Method of Deity Worship for the International Society for

Krsna Consciousness. .

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > " Most left-turning conch shells available today are what are known as

" Lightning Whelks " which, although not strictly the conches meant to be used in

worship, are recognized as legitimate substitutes for standard conches in many

temples in India, at least for the purpose of bathing the Deity. There is no

need, however, to put such " conch shells " on the altar. "

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > The Pancaratra Pradipa was compiled by the ISKCON's GBC Deity worship

research group, which included several senior sanyasis and devotees.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> > > > > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@>

>

> > > > > sacred-objects

>

> > > > > Tuesday, 28 April, 2009 10:48:47

>

> > > > > Whelk shells WRONGLY used as Lakshmi Shanks

in Temple

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > THIS IS IN AN ISKCON TEMPLE. THESE PUJARIS ARE IGNORANT OF A REAL

LAKSHMI SHANK AS THEY ARE USING AMERICAN WHELK SHELLS UNDER ILLUSION. THIS IS A

SHAME!

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > http://groups. . / group/sacred- objects/photos/

album/23923342/ pic/946573499/ view?picmode= & mode=tn & order=ordinal &

start=1 & count= 20 & dir=asc

>

> > > > >

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I have not read the entirety of Sri Hari Bhakti Vilas, but surely Shank is

mentioned. And by shank he could not mean WHELK because Whelk was unknown in

India 500 years ago. A ruby is a ruby, or NOT. A Shank is a Shank, or NOT. Whelk

is NOT a shank. It is a scam, a con perpetrated by bogus or foolish Hindus since

last 100 years only.

 

If a WHELK is NOT sacred to put on the altar, then how is it sacred to bath the

Deity? Typical Iskcon non-sense which disproves their bona fides. And is a

SHAME!

 

Y/s, Richard

 

sacred-objects , " alstrup " <alstrup wrote:

>

>

> Richard,

>

> Before I proceed, I am wondering if there are any compiled references on this

matter in Sri Hari-Bhakti Vilasa by Srila Sanatana Gosvami?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Ys, Ole

>

> sacred-objects , Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@> wrote:

> >

> > What fools ever listened to expert advice? The matter should be taken to:

> > 1) ISKCON GBC

> > 2) VISWA HINDU PARISHAD

> > 3) BETTER BUSINESS B

> > 4) POLICE

> > ---IT IS FRAUD!!!

> >

> >

> > Richard Shaw Brown, PG

> > Musician, Designer, Gemologist & Author

> > www.richardshawbrown.com

> >

> > --- On Sat, 9/5/09, Raja Murari dasa <jagannathbaladev@> wrote:

> >

> > Raja Murari dasa <jagannathbaladev@>

> > Re: Re: Whelk shells WRONGLY used as Lakshmi

Shanks in Temple

> > sacred-objects

> > Saturday, 9 May, 2009, 10:17 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hare Krishna,

> >

> > I am residing in Malaysia and not only Iskcon Temple but all the hindu

temple are using the lightining whelk as Lakshmi conch and also conduct pooja

and sell it for RM 108.Even though I have brought up this but they are not

intrested in my feedback.Including Iskcon devotees.

> >

> > Best Regards

> > -Raja-

> >

> >

> >

> > --- On Fri, 8/5/09, alstrup <alstrup > wrote:

> >

> > alstrup <alstrup >

> > Re: Whelk shells WRONGLY used as Lakshmi Shanks in

Temple

> > sacred-objects

> > Friday, 8 May, 2009, 9:36 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Richard,

> >

> >

> >

> > I contacted an ISKCON sanyasi of my acquaintance who was in the research

group. He referred me to another devotee who is presently revising their manual,

should I forward the thread here as it is or do you want to contact him

personally?

> >

> >

> >

> > Ys, Ole

> >

> >

> >

> > sacred-objects, " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66@>

wrote:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Hi Ole,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > An item unknown to the Vedas from Mletcha desh is deemed impure to put on

the altar, BUT, is pure to bath the deities.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > This is absurd!!!

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Y/s.

> >

> > > R-

> >

> > >

> >

> > > sacred-objects, " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66@>

wrote:

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Is the following a Vedic quote? Or a GBC quote? ....

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > PANCARATRA PRADIPA. Method of Deity Worship for the International

Society for Krsna Consciousness.

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > " Most left-turning conch shells available today are what are known as

" Lightning Whelks " which, although not strictly the conches meant to be used in

worship, are recognized as legitimate substitutes for standard conches in many

temples in India, at least for the purpose of bathing the Deity. There is no

need, however, to put such " conch shells " on the altar. "

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@> wrote:

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Yes ok. What does shastra says about the subject matter?

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >

> > > > > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@>

> >

> > > > > sacred-objects

> >

> > > > > Tuesday, 28 April, 2009 17:44:12

> >

> > > > > Re: Whelk shells WRONGLY used as Lakshmi

Shanks in Temple

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > ----THIS IS NOT SHASTRA. THIS IS ISKCON MADE-UP NONSENSE. I'M A

GEMOLOGIST. A RUBY IS A RUBY OR NOT. WHELK DOESN'T COME FROM INDIA, IT ALWAYS

OPENS ON THE RIGHT, IT HAS NO THREE - SEVEN RIDGES IN THE CONCH OPENING. BOTTOM

LINE IS THAT WHELK IS NOT THE SACRED CONCH (SHANK) REFERED TO BY EXPERT

COLLECTORS, SYNISTRAL TURBINELLA PYRUM VALAMPURI SHANK, THE " LAKSHMI SHANK' ---

AND WHELK IS NOT IT. PERIOD!!! THERE IS NO MENTION OF OTHER SHELLS BESIDES SHANK

IN ALL SHASTRA. THEY CANNOT MAKE UP THE REALITY BY VOTE. CONCHOLOGISTS

WORLD-WIDE ARE LAUGHING AT THE " FOOLISH HINDUS " - SPECIALLY ISKCON, WHILE THEY

USE *NON CONCH* IMPURE UNBONA FIDE SHELL FROM THE WEST. CERTIFIED WRONG.

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > IT HAS OFTEN BEEN SITED BY SRILA PRABHUPADA ABOUT THE VEDIC

EXCEPTIONS, SUCH AS STOOL IS IMPURE BUT COW DUNG IS SUPER PURE, HE ALSO

MENTIONED THAT BONES WERE IMPURE - EXCEPT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE INDIAN SHANK

(CONCH SHELL) EITHER SIDE OPENING ARE SUPER PURE EVEN FOR USE AS A BONE IN PUJA

OF BHAGAVAN. THIS IS THE STANDARD IF YOU WANT TO START MAKING UP STANDARDS...

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > PLEASE REMIND THEM OF PRABHUPADA'S TEACHINGS ON SHELL " ONLY SHANK IS

PURE " OF BONE. BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ONLY LOOKING ABSURD, BUT ARE FURTHER WRONGLY

USING AN IMPURE BONE (WHELK) IN SERIOUS PUJA. ONLY SHANK, JUST LEFT SIDED OR

BETTER RIGHT SIDED, AND THIS SHELL, " SHANK " IF A DIFFERENT SPECIES THAN THE

COMMON " WHELK " FROM USA WHICH ARE IMPORTED INTO INDIA TO CHEAT THE INNOCENT

HINDUS, INCLUDING THE TEMPLES.. BOTTOM LINE IS THAT IN MATTERS OF PUJA THE

BRAHMANS SHOULD BE MORE EXPERT WITH GEMS AND SACRED NATURAL OBJECTS. WE CANNOT

NOW FABRICATE OUR IMAGINATION AS ISKCON HAS DONE.

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Y/s, HRISI (GIA) PG

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ >

wrote:

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > It is interesting you should bring this up again now, as I just

received a reply from the related enquiry (fwd your original posting back in

January) I wrote to the head pujari of that temple and also to ISCKON's deity

worship minstry. I received the following reply which is taken from the

PANCARATRA PRADIPA. Method of Deity Worship for the International Society for

Krsna Consciousness. .

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > " Most left-turning conch shells available today are what are known

as " Lightning Whelks " which, although not strictly the conches meant to be used

in worship, are recognized as legitimate substitutes for standard conches in

many temples in India, at least for the purpose of bathing the Deity. There is

no need, however, to put such " conch shells " on the altar. "

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > The Pancaratra Pradipa was compiled by the ISKCON's GBC Deity

worship research group, which included several senior sanyasis and devotees.

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >

> > > > > > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@>

> >

> > > > > > sacred-objects

> >

> > > > > > Tuesday, 28 April, 2009 10:48:47

> >

> > > > > > Whelk shells WRONGLY used as Lakshmi

Shanks in Temple

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > THIS IS IN AN ISKCON TEMPLE. THESE PUJARIS ARE IGNORANT OF A REAL

LAKSHMI SHANK AS THEY ARE USING AMERICAN WHELK SHELLS UNDER ILLUSION. THIS IS A

SHAME!

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > http://groups. . / group/sacred- objects/photos/

album/23923342/ pic/946573499/ view?picmode= & mode=tn & order=ordinal &

start=1 & count= 20 & dir=asc

> >

> > > > > >

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