Veg & Non-veg Issue. (“Ahimsa Paramo Dharma� ).

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What if I call myself....a 'VAIDIC'????--- On Tue, 21/4/09, kishore kishore <mydearindian wrote:kishore kishore <mydearindian Veg & Non-veg Issue. (“Ahimsa Paramo Dharma†).sacred-objects Date: Tuesday, 21 April, 2009, 2:47 AM

 

"Om Gam Ganapathaye Namaha"

 

Hello friends,

I saw one post on Vegetarian and Non-vegetarian issue. I want to try my best to give an answer to those who eat Non vegetarian and call themselves as Hindus.

Somebody told that even plants also have got sense and eating plants is equal to killing an animal. How foolish they are. Thousands of years back human hunted humans and also other animals and ate. It is true that it had happened in ignorance. But now knowingly can you kill a human being and eat like those who use to do in past? No, because now humans will react adversely if do it.

Let me explain an incident. Recently in Andhra Pradesh one father used both of his daughters for sex. He says that there is no rule written anywhere to not to have sex with own daughters. What a pity thing it is. Here this father is not able to distinguish what is bad and what is good. And also he right from his end because God has not given him enough intelligence to distinguish what is good and what is bad.

Similarly if one thinks that vegetarian food is equal to non-vegetarian then he/she is equal to that Father.

I agree with this father and with those who says that no where it is written what is to be eaten and what is not be eaten. However, remember that very fortunately we have taken the Janma of Human. And very fortunately we have taken the Janma of a “Hindu and born in India .

If you do not know how to distinguish what is bad and what is Good then its okay. But at least kindly respect and follow our Hindu scriptures and say No to Non vegetarian.

Christians: Eat Non-vegetarian because their religion tells that eating non vegetarian is not a sin. I appreciate all Christians because they are following what Bible says. Muslims: I also appreciate Muslim people. They also do not feel eating Non-vegetarian is a sin.

Buddhists: I greatly admire them because they strictly follow Buddha and they do not eat Non-vegetarian.

Hinduism:

Before commenting on our Hindus I would like to give you some knowledge about Dakshina marg and Vama marg in Tantra and mantra. Some people worship God for Good and some people for Bad.

People who worships God for bad they kill animals and give as prasadam to “God and Goddess†for evil desires. Some people till now following it unknowingly and thinking that it is not a sin and it is a good way of worshiping God. Daskhinachara is a good way and vamachara is a bad way. Some Trantrics use vamacahara for getting bad results.

Some vamachara techniques unfortunately have been mixed in dakshinachara because they liked the taste of Non-vegetarian. Actually they do not know that they are unknowingly doing a sin by following vamacharam. They will not get any good result by offering animals to deities.

Now the question is how can be God used for Bad? Simple, we can use a stone to kill a person as well as to see God in it and to build a house with it etc... We can use Gun to save good people and as well as to kill good people. However, Gun remains same as Gun. Stone remains same as stone but our mind is deciding in which way to use it. Similarly God is pure and good always. It is our mind which wants to use God for evil powers.

Good minds can distinguish what is good and what is bad.

I am explaining the above things to tell you that if you think that offering a Goat/Hen or any animal is good for God then you are unknowingly falling under vamachara.

Our Hindu scriptures never told to eat Non vegetarian.

Bible and Khuran say that it is not a sin to eat Non vegetarian. That is why they are following it strictly. But when our “BHAGAVAT GITA†OUR “RAMAYANA†OUR BHAGAVATAM never mentioned to eat Non-vegetarian then HOW DARE A Hindu to Eat Non-vegetarian.

“If Bible or Khuran say that Not to eat Non vegetarian then I bet all Christians and

Muslims would have stopped eating Non vegetarianâ€.

When all our Vedas and our Pavitra Grandhas tell “No†to “HIMSA†the how can you eat it? If you want to be a perfect Hindu then you should respect our Hindu Vedas and Grandhas.

If you are eating Non-vegetarian being a Hindu then do not call yourself as a “Hinduâ€. All other religion people are best than “Non-vegetarian Hindus†because they are truly trusting their sacred books and respecting it.

Some of my Christian and Muslim friends sometimes comment that true Hindus are really rare to find these days. They comment that in one way “Hindu dharmas proclaim, “Ahimsa Paramo Dharma†or, Ahimsa is the highest form of dharma (virtue). Ahimsa means non-violence, non-injury or non-killing and most of the Hindus kill animals and eat it. They say that we do not know what religion we are following.

Please stop killing animals and eating Non-vegetarian and feel proud to be a Hindu. After reading these entire if any HINDU still argues then I leaves his/her mind to God and pray to God to give him/her a good mind.

““Ahimsa Paramo Dharma†or, Ahimsa is the highest form of dharma (virtue). Ahimsa means non-violence, non-injury or non-killing.â€

Have a nice & productive day,

With Best wishes, M.kishore.

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Kishore - while I appreciate your good intentions - please realise that your arguments sound like the words taught to a parrot without any real discriminatory power. There are so many flaws in the arguments that you have given. While its pointless to point them out, I suggest you actually leave behind what you have been taught and think rationally about the arguments you put across. Rgds!kishore kishore

<mydearindiansacred-objects Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 2:47:11 AM Veg & Non-veg Issue. (“Ahimsa Paramo Dharma†).

 

"Om Gam Ganapathaye Namaha"

 

Hello friends,

  I saw one post on Vegetarian and Non-vegetarian issue. I want to try my best to give an answer to those who eat Non vegetarian and call themselves as Hindus.

  Somebody told that even plants also have got sense and eating plants is equal to killing an animal. How foolish they are. Thousands of years back human hunted humans and also other animals and ate. It is true that it had happened in ignorance. But now knowingly can you kill a human being and eat like those who use to do in past? No, because now humans will react adversely if do it.

  Let me explain an incident. Recently in Andhra Pradesh one father used both of his daughters for sex. He says that there is no rule written anywhere to not to have sex with own daughters. What a pity thing it is. Here this father is not able to distinguish what is bad and what is good. And also he right from his end because God has not given him enough intelligence to distinguish what is good and what is bad.

  Similarly if one thinks that vegetarian food is equal to non-vegetarian then he/she is equal to that Father.

  I agree with this father and with those who says that no where it is written what is to be eaten and what is not be eaten. However, remember that very fortunately we have taken the Janma of Human. And very fortunately we have taken the Janma of a “Hindu and born in India .

  If you do not know how to distinguish what is bad and what is Good then its okay. But at least kindly respect and follow our Hindu scriptures and say No to Non vegetarian.

  Christians: Eat Non-vegetarian because their religion tells that eating non vegetarian is not a sin. I appreciate all Christians because they are following what Bible says.   Muslims: I also appreciate Muslim people. They also do not feel eating Non-vegetarian is a sin.

  Buddhists: I greatly admire them because they strictly follow Buddha and they do not eat Non-vegetarian.

  Hinduism:

Before commenting on our Hindus I would like to give you some knowledge about Dakshina marg and Vama marg in Tantra and mantra. Some people worship God for Good and some people for Bad.

  People who worships God for bad they kill animals and give as prasadam to “God and Goddess†for evil desires. Some people till now following it unknowingly and thinking that it is not a sin and it is a good way of worshiping God. Daskhinachara is a good way and vamachara is a bad way. Some Trantrics use vamacahara for getting bad results.

  Some vamachara techniques unfortunately have been mixed in dakshinachara because they liked the taste of Non-vegetarian. Actually they do not know that they are unknowingly doing a sin by following vamacharam. They will not get any good result by offering animals to deities.

  Now the question is how can be God used for Bad? Simple, we can use a stone to kill a person as well as to see God in it and to build a house with it etc... We can use Gun to save good people and as well as to kill good people.  However, Gun remains same as Gun. Stone remains same as stone but our mind is deciding in which way to use it. Similarly God is pure and good always. It is our mind which wants to use God for evil powers.

  Good minds can distinguish what is good and what is bad.

  I am explaining the above things to tell you that if you think that offering a Goat/Hen or any animal is good for God then you are unknowingly falling under vamachara.

  Our Hindu scriptures never told to eat Non vegetarian.

  Bible and Khuran say that it is not a sin to eat Non vegetarian. That is why they are following it strictly. But when our “BHAGAVAT GITA†OUR “RAMAYANA†OUR BHAGAVATAM never mentioned to eat Non-vegetarian then HOW DARE A Hindu to Eat Non-vegetarian.

  “If Bible or Khuran say that Not to eat Non vegetarian then I bet all Christians and

Muslims would have stopped eating Non vegetarianâ€.

  When all our Vedas and our Pavitra Grandhas tell “No†to “HIMSA†the how can you eat it? If you want to be a perfect Hindu then you should respect our Hindu Vedas and Grandhas.

  If you are eating Non-vegetarian being a Hindu then do not call yourself as a “Hinduâ€. All other religion people are best than “Non-vegetarian Hindus†because they are truly trusting their sacred books and respecting it.

    Some of my Christian and Muslim friends sometimes comment that true Hindus are really rare to find these days. They comment that in one way “Hindu dharmas proclaim, “Ahimsa Paramo Dharma†or, Ahimsa is the highest form of dharma (virtue). Ahimsa means non-violence, non-injury or non-killing and most of the Hindus kill animals and eat it. They say that we do not know what religion we are following.

  Please stop killing animals and eating Non-vegetarian and feel proud to be a Hindu. After reading these entire if any HINDU still argues then I leaves his/her mind to God and pray to God to give him/her a good mind.

  ““Ahimsa Paramo Dharma†or, Ahimsa is the highest form of dharma (virtue). Ahimsa means non-violence, non-injury or non-killing.â€

Have a nice & productive day,

With Best wishes, M.kishore.

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Om Gam Ganapatahye Namaha

 

Dear Surya Ji,

 

I thank you for your kind attention on this topic.

 

Thanks for your appreciation. You are advising me to think rationally. But I do not know what rational thinking is. I can think only in one way. And it is from the way of Gita , Ramayana, Bhagavatam and from all other good books of our religion. Your thinking and My thinking is nothing to do here when we trust on "Gods way of Thinking" and those examples that I have taken are for those who adamantly support Non vegetarian. And not for you because I believe you are a vegetarian.

 

Do you think my flaws are very important than conveying the holy message of Lord Krishna and Buddha?

 

"Kindly do not use the word argument here". This is not an argument at all this is the opinion of our Hindu sacred books. But I have expressed my opinion in a little hot way.

Once again i request all Non-vegetarian Hindus to not to eat Non-veg. If you trust the existenceof our lords Krishna , Rama, Hanuman ,Durga and Ganapathy etc... then follow what they say and proud to be a Hindu.

 

Have a nice & productive day,

With Best wishes, M.kishore.

 

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surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashvRe: Veg & Non-veg Issue. (“Ahimsa Paramo Dharma†).sacred-objects Date: Tuesday, 21 April, 2009, 3:16 PM

 

 

 

 

Kishore - while I appreciate your good intentions - please realise that your arguments sound like the words taught to a parrot without any real discriminatory power. There are so many flaws in the arguments that you have given. While its pointless to point them out, I suggest you actually leave behind what you have been taught and think rationally about the arguments you put across.

 

Rgds!

 

 

 

kishore kishore <mydearindian@ >sacred-objectsTuesday, April 21, 2009 2:47:11 AM Veg & Non-veg Issue. (“Ahimsa Paramo Dharma†).

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Om Gam Ganapathaye Namaha"

Hello friends,

I saw one post on Vegetarian and Non-vegetarian issue. I want to try my best to give an answer to those who eat Non vegetarian and call themselves as Hindus.

Somebody told that even plants also have got sense and eating plants is equal to killing an animal. How foolish they are. Thousands of years back human hunted humans and also other animals and ate. It is true that it had happened in ignorance. But now knowingly can you kill a human being and eat like those who use to do in past? No, because now humans will react adversely if do it.

Let me explain an incident. Recently in Andhra Pradesh one father used both of his daughters for sex. He says that there is no rule written anywhere to not to have sex with own daughters. What a pity thing it is. Here this father is not able to distinguish what is bad and what is good. And also he right from his end because God has not given him enough intelligence to distinguish what is good and what is bad.

Similarly if one thinks that vegetarian food is equal to non-vegetarian then he/she is equal to that Father.

I agree with this father and with those who says that no where it is written what is to be eaten and what is not be eaten. However, remember that very fortunately we have taken the Janma of Human. And very fortunately we have taken the Janma of a “Hindu and born in India . If you do not know how to distinguish what is bad and what is Good then its okay. But at least kindly respect and follow our Hindu scriptures and say No to Non vegetarian. Christians: Eat Non-vegetarian because their religion tells that eating non vegetarian is not a sin. I appreciate all Christians because they are following what Bible says. Muslims: I also appreciate Muslim people. They also do not feel eating Non-vegetarian is a sin. Buddhists: I greatly admire them because they strictly follow Buddha and they do not eat Non-vegetarian. Hinduism: Before commenting on our Hindus I would like to give you some knowledge about Dakshina marg and Vama marg in Tantra and mantra. Some people worship God for Good and some people for Bad. People who worships God for bad they kill animals and give as prasadam to “God and Goddess†for evil desires. Some people till now following it unknowingly and thinking that it is not a sin and it is a good way of worshiping God. Daskhinachara is a good way and vamachara is a bad way. Some Trantrics use vamacahara for getting bad results. Some vamachara techniques unfortunately have been mixed in dakshinachara because they liked the taste of Non-vegetarian. Actually they do not know that they are unknowingly doing a sin by following vamacharam. They will not get any good result by offering animals to deities. Now the question is how can be God used for Bad? Simple, we can use a stone to kill a person as well as to see God in it and to build a house with it etc... We can use Gun to save good people and as well as to kill good people. However, Gun remains same as Gun. Stone remains same as stone but our mind is deciding in which way to use it. Similarly God is pure and good always. It is our mind which wants to use God for evil powers. Good minds can distinguish what is good and what is bad. I am explaining the above things to tell you that if you think that offering a Goat/Hen or any animal is good for God then you are unknowingly falling under vamachara. Our Hindu scriptures never told to eat Non vegetarian. Bible and Khuran say that it is not a sin to eat Non vegetarian. That is why they are following it strictly. But when our “BHAGAVAT GITA†OUR “RAMAYANA†OUR BHAGAVATAM never mentioned to eat Non-vegetarian then HOW DARE A Hindu to Eat Non-vegetarian. “If Bible or Khuran say that Not to eat Non vegetarian then I bet all Christians and Muslims would have stopped eating Non vegetarianâ€.

When all our Vedas and our Pavitra Grandhas tell “No†to “HIMSA†the how can you eat it? If you want to be a perfect Hindu then you should respect our Hindu Vedas and Grandhas. If you are eating Non-vegetarian being a Hindu then do not call yourself as a

“Hinduâ€. All other religion people are best than “Non-vegetarian Hindus†because they are truly trusting their sacred books and respecting it. Some of my Christian and Muslim friends sometimes comment that true Hindus are really rare to find these days. They comment that in one way “Hindu dharmas proclaim, “Ahimsa Paramo Dharma†or, Ahimsa is the highest form of dharma (virtue). Ahimsa means non-violence, non-injury or non-killing and most of the Hindus kill animals and eat it. They say that we do not know what religion we are following.

Please stop killing animals and eating Non-vegetarian and feel proud to be a Hindu. After reading these entire if any HINDU still argues then I leaves his/her mind to God and pray to God to give him/her a good mind. ““Ahimsa Paramo Dharma†or, Ahimsa is the highest form of dharma (virtue). Ahimsa means non-violence, non-injury or non-killing.â€

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Dear Krishna,Even within the realm of faith one has to think rationally. Religion's intention cannot be to promote whimsical thinking - because then it will become a puppet being played by the puppeteer invariably.You are putting forward an argument when you are supporting non-vegetarianism for hindus. And you are using references to scriptures to support this argument. But even from the point of view of scriptures, these arguments are incomplete. If you are saying I follow gita or bhagavatam - you can only follow them and not propose that others do the same - Till you understand these scriptures in the total context of hinduism.One thing I like about you is that you are making a

suggestion, which is much better than a bunch of pseudo intellectuals who talk as though they know everything. Just to explore, why do you think these scriptures suggested that you should be a non-vegetarian? are you willing to discuss?kishore kishore <mydearindiansacred-objects Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:18:18 PMRe: Veg & Non-veg Issue. (“Ahimsa Paramo Dharmaâ€

).

 

Om Gam Ganapatahye Namaha

 

Dear Surya Ji,   I thank you for your kind attention on this topic.   Thanks for your appreciation. You are advising me to think rationally. But I do not know what rational thinking is. I can think only in one way. And it is from the way of Gita , Ramayana, Bhagavatam and from all other good books of our religion. Your thinking and My thinking is nothing to do here when we trust on "Gods way of Thinking" and those examples that I have taken are for those who adamantly support Non vegetarian. And not for you because I believe you are a vegetarian.

 

Do you think my flaws are very important than conveying the holy message of Lord Krishna and Buddha?

  "Kindly do not use the word argument here". This is not an argument at all this is the opinion of our Hindu sacred books. But I have expressed my opinion in a little hot way.

Once again i request all Non-vegetarian Hindus to not to eat Non-veg. If you trust the existenceof  our lords Krishna , Rama, Hanuman ,Durga and Ganapathy etc... then follow what they say and proud to be a Hindu.

 

Have a nice & productive day,

With Best wishes, M.kishore.

 

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surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv@ ..com>Re: Veg & Non-veg Issue. (“Ahimsa Paramo Dharma†).sacred-objectsTuesday, 21 April, 2009, 3:16 PM

 

 

 

 

Kishore - while I appreciate your good intentions - please realise that your arguments sound like the words taught to a parrot without any real discriminatory power. There are so many flaws in the arguments that you have given. While its pointless to point them out, I suggest you actually leave behind what you have been taught and think rationally about the arguments you put across. 

 

Rgds!

 

 

 

kishore kishore <mydearindian@ >sacred-objectsTuesday, April 21, 2009 2:47:11 AM Veg & Non-veg Issue. (“Ahimsa Paramo Dharma†).

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Om Gam Ganapathaye Namaha"   Hello friends,   I saw one post on Vegetarian and Non-vegetarian issue. I want to try my best to give an answer to those who eat Non vegetarian and call themselves as Hindus.   Somebody told that even plants also have got sense and eating plants is equal to killing an animal. How foolish they are. Thousands of years back human hunted humans and also other animals and ate. It is true that it had happened in ignorance. But now knowingly can you kill a human being and eat like those who use to do in past? No, because now humans will react adversely if do it.   Let me explain an incident. Recently in Andhra Pradesh one father used both of his daughters for sex. He says that there is no rule written anywhere to not to have sex with own daughters. What a pity thing it is. Here this father is not able to distinguish what is bad and what is good. And also he right from his end because God has not given him enough intelligence to distinguish what is good and what is bad.

  Similarly if one thinks that vegetarian food is equal to non-vegetarian then he/she is equal to that Father.

  I agree with this father and with those who says that no where it is written what is to be eaten and what is not be eaten. However, remember that very fortunately we have taken the Janma of Human. And very fortunately we have taken the Janma of a “Hindu and born in India .   If you do not know how to distinguish what is bad and what is Good then its okay. But at least kindly respect and follow our Hindu scriptures and say No to Non vegetarian.   Christians: Eat Non-vegetarian because their religion tells that eating non vegetarian is not a sin. I appreciate all Christians because they are following what Bible says.   Muslims: I also appreciate Muslim people. They also do not feel eating Non-vegetarian is a sin.   Buddhists: I greatly admire them because they strictly follow Buddha and they do not eat Non-vegetarian.   Hinduism: Before commenting on our Hindus I would like to give you some knowledge about Dakshina marg and Vama marg in Tantra and mantra. Some people worship God for Good and some people for Bad.   People who worships God for bad they kill animals and give as prasadam to “God and Goddess†for evil desires. Some people till now following it unknowingly and thinking that it is not a sin and it is a good way of worshiping God. Daskhinachara is a good way and vamachara is a bad way. Some Trantrics use vamacahara for getting bad results.   Some vamachara techniques unfortunately have been mixed in dakshinachara because they liked the taste of Non-vegetarian. Actually they do not know that they are unknowingly doing a sin by following vamacharam. They will not get any good result by offering animals to deities.   Now the question is how can be God used for Bad? Simple, we can use a stone to kill a person as well as to see God in it and to build a house with it etc... We can use Gun to save good people and as well as to kill good people.  However, Gun remains same as Gun. Stone remains same as stone but our mind is deciding in which way to use it. Similarly God is pure and good always. It is our mind which wants to use God for evil powers.   Good minds can distinguish what is good and what is bad.   I am explaining the above things to tell you that if you think that offering a Goat/Hen or any animal is good for God then you are unknowingly falling under vamachara.   Our Hindu scriptures never told to eat Non vegetarian.   Bible and Khuran say that it is not a sin to eat Non vegetarian. That is why they are following it strictly. But when our “BHAGAVAT GITA†OUR “RAMAYANA†OUR BHAGAVATAM never mentioned to eat Non-vegetarian then HOW DARE A Hindu to Eat Non-vegetarian.   “If Bible or Khuran say that Not to eat Non vegetarian then I bet all Christians and Muslims would have stopped eating Non vegetarianâ€.

  When all our Vedas and our Pavitra Grandhas tell “No†to “HIMSA†the how can you eat it? If you want to be a perfect Hindu then you should respect our Hindu Vedas and Grandhas.   If you are eating Non-vegetarian being a Hindu then do not call yourself as a

“Hinduâ€. All other religion people are best than “Non-vegetarian Hindus†because they are truly trusting their sacred books and respecting it.     Some of my Christian and Muslim friends sometimes comment that true Hindus are really rare to find these days. They comment that in one way “Hindu dharmas proclaim, “Ahimsa Paramo Dharma†or, Ahimsa is the highest form of dharma (virtue). Ahimsa means non-violence, non-injury or non-killing and most of the Hindus kill animals and eat it. They say that we do not know what religion we are following.

  Please stop killing animals and eating Non-vegetarian and feel proud to be a Hindu. After reading these entire if any HINDU still argues then I leaves his/her mind to God and pray to God to give him/her a good mind.   ““Ahimsa Paramo Dharma†or, Ahimsa is the highest form of dharma (virtue). Ahimsa means non-violence, non-injury or non-killing.â€

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Om Gam Ganapatahye Namaha

 

Dear Surya Ji,

 

I think you are a good Astrologer. If I am wrong then excuse me. I saw one of your articles on ammas website. I feel happy to communicate with you through this group. And I feel I need not to tell you everything elaborately. Still your question provoked my mind to write elaborately.

 

I am not telling any new thing. Many Animal Rights and Animal Protection Organizations throughout the world are telling the same thing. These organizations formed in these days but our Hinduism formed long back and telling the same thing.

 

Asking questions is a good method to explore knowledge. I follow the same. Please treat this as a productive discussion and not as an argument. This reply is little lengthy.

 

In my first email you can see that I appreciated Christians and Muslims who thinks eating non vegetarian is not a sin. They are truly following their sacred books.They all treat their sacred books and their Gods as their Mother and Father and follow it. My worry is some of the Hindus say that they are Hindus and forget what our philosophy taught us. Our Hindu philosophy never told to kill and eat. Unfortunately some of the Hindus are not following what our great saints told us and prescribed us for better living.. Why to doubt our own Mother like Vedas and saints with second thought.

 

Surprisingly most of the saints from Hindu religion said that “All religions are oneâ€. Surprisingly many other religions can not dare to accept and treat all religions as one. This is the greatness of Hinduism and Hindu saints. We treat all religions as one. Ramakrishnaparamahamsa is a good example for this. Our Hindu Philosophy is the richest and oldest philosophy on earth. So there is nothing wrong in proposing it to our own Hindus. If i propose it to other religions then it is wrong.

 

My answer to your question follows from here. Let me go to the roots of this issue.

 

When we sleep we will get a dream. We think, feel, and talk in dreams. In dream state we feel everything is real. We forget that we are sleeping and we feel every scene and feeling is real in dreams. When we become conscious we understand that it was not real. We never guess what dream we will get and when we wake up we do not know where were those feeling and persons have gone. It was ended.

 

Our life is also like that dream which is not permanent. We do not know where we were before taking birth and we do not know where will go after death. In between we live in this temporary dream of life. Hence, we all are puppets and the puppeteer is some unseen/unknown energy. You name it God or energy that is your wish.

 

You too know that we all have got unique horoscopes. That unique life style had given by the puppeteer to every puppet on this earth.

 

Now every puppet (Human) has two choices. First choice is to forget about that puppeteer and live this life as real. Second is to think about that puppeteer and try to meet and question that puppeteer to know the secret of this universe.

 

If you fall under second choice, I mean if you are in quest of that puppeteer then one must realize that this body is only false and not real. One has to win Kama, krodha, lobha, moha, matsarya. Then only we can become conscious about our body which is not true.

 

One has to decide in which way his/her life to lead. If one decides to lead his/her life thinking that this body is real and forever then it is his/her wish. If one decides to lead life in quest of that energy which created his/her body as temporary then as I have mentioned above they have to win Kama, krodha, lobha, moha, matsarya.

 

What happens if anybody eats daily pizzas? That person will get more fat, may get heart attack, may get blood sugar and hyper tension and ultimately person will become angry. Our food in take has direct connection on our thinking and health. Non vegetarian foods have got lot of fat. And it is written as sin to kill and eat. Let’s give a chance to those animals to live for some more days.

 

Even Some vegetarian foods are not good. But Non vegetarian food is more dangerous than vegetarian to people who are in quest of that energy/God/puppeteer. If they keep eating food which can effect adversely on the way they think then they will not know God.

 

Our Vedas, Gita , Ramayana , Bhagavatham and all other holy Hindu guides told us how to reach God. They clearly wrote to have Satvik Ahar only and not to eat any animal.

 

Proposing a good thing to build a healthier society is can’t be a wrong thing.

 

Have a nice & productive day,

With Best wishes, M.kishore.

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Dear Krishna,

 

Even within the realm of faith one has to think rationally. Religion's intention cannot be to promote whimsical thinking - because then it will become a puppet being played by the puppeteer invariably.

 

You are putting forward an argument when you are supporting non-vegetarianism for hindus. And you are using references to scriptures to support this argument.

 

But even from the point of view of scriptures, these arguments are incomplete. If you are saying I follow gita or bhagavatam - you can only follow them and not propose that others do the same - Till you understand these scriptures in the total context of hinduism.

 

One thing I like about you is that you are making a suggestion, which is much better than a bunch of pseudo intellectuals who talk as though they know everything.

 

Just to explore, why do you think these scriptures suggested that you should be a non-vegetarian? are you willing to discuss?

 

 

 

kishore kishore <mydearindian@ >sacred-objectsTuesday, April 21, 2009 11:18:18 PMRe: Veg & Non-veg Issue. (“Ahimsa Paramo Dharma†).

 

 

 

 

 

 

Om Gam Ganapatahye Namaha

 

Dear Surya Ji,

 

I thank you for your kind attention on this topic.

 

Thanks for your appreciation. You are advising me to think rationally. But I do not know what rational thinking is. I can think only in one way. And it is from the way of Gita , Ramayana, Bhagavatam and from all other good books of our religion. Your thinking and My thinking is nothing to do here when we trust on "Gods way of Thinking" and those examples that I have taken are for those who adamantly support Non vegetarian. And not for you because I believe you are a vegetarian.

Do you think my flaws are very important than conveying the holy message of Lord Krishna and Buddha?

"Kindly do not use the word argument here". This is not an argument at all this is the opinion of our Hindu sacred books. But I have expressed my opinion in a little hot way.

Once again i request all Non-vegetarian Hindus to not to eat Non-veg. If you trust the existenceof our lords Krishna , Rama, Hanuman ,Durga and Ganapathy etc... then follow what they say and proud to be a Hindu.

 

Have a nice & productive day,

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Kishore - while I appreciate your good intentions - please realise that your arguments sound like the words taught to a parrot without any real discriminatory power. There are so many flaws in the arguments that you have given. While its pointless to point them out, I suggest you actually leave behind what you have been taught and think rationally about the arguments you put across.

 

Rgds!

 

 

 

kishore kishore <mydearindian@ >sacred-objectsTuesday, April 21, 2009 2:47:11 AM Veg & Non-veg Issue. (“Ahimsa Paramo Dharma†).

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Om Gam Ganapathaye Namaha"

Hello friends,

I saw one post on Vegetarian and Non-vegetarian issue. I want to try my best to give an answer to those who eat Non vegetarian and call themselves as Hindus.

Somebody told that even plants also have got sense and eating plants is equal to killing an animal. How foolish they are. Thousands of years back human hunted humans and also other animals and ate. It is true that it had happened in ignorance. But now knowingly can you kill a human being and eat like those who use to do in past? No, because now humans will react adversely if do it.

Let me explain an incident. Recently in Andhra Pradesh one father used both of his daughters for sex. He says that there is no rule written anywhere to not to have sex with own daughters. What a pity thing it is. Here this father is not able to distinguish what is bad and what is good. And also he right from his end because God has not given him enough intelligence to distinguish what is good and what is bad.

Similarly if one thinks that vegetarian food is equal to non-vegetarian then he/she is equal to that Father.

I agree with this father and with those who says that no where it is written what is to be eaten and what is not be eaten. However, remember that very fortunately we have taken the Janma of Human. And very fortunately we have taken the Janma of a “Hindu and born in India . If you do not know how to distinguish what is bad and what is Good then its okay. But at least kindly respect and follow our Hindu scriptures and say No to Non vegetarian. Christians: Eat Non-vegetarian because their religion tells that eating non vegetarian is not a sin. I appreciate all Christians because they are following what Bible says. Muslims: I also appreciate Muslim people. They also do not feel eating Non-vegetarian is a sin. Buddhists: I greatly admire them because they strictly follow Buddha and they do not eat Non-vegetarian. Hinduism: Before commenting on our Hindus I would like to give you some knowledge about Dakshina marg and Vama marg in Tantra and mantra. Some people worship God for Good and some people for Bad. People who worships God for bad they kill animals and give as prasadam to “God and Goddess†for evil desires. Some people till now following it unknowingly and thinking that it is not a sin and it is a good way of worshiping God. Daskhinachara is a good way and vamachara is a bad way. Some Trantrics use vamacahara for getting bad results. Some vamachara techniques unfortunately have been mixed in dakshinachara because they liked the taste of Non-vegetarian. Actually they do not know that they are unknowingly doing a sin by following vamacharam. They will not get any good result by offering animals to deities. Now the question is how can be God used for Bad? Simple, we can use a stone to kill a person as well as to see God in it and to build a house with it etc... We can use Gun to save good people and as well as to kill good people. However, Gun remains same as Gun. Stone remains same as stone but our mind is deciding in which way to use it. Similarly God is pure and good always. It is our mind which wants to use God for evil powers. Good minds can distinguish what is good and what is bad. I am explaining the above things to tell you that if you think that offering a Goat/Hen or any animal is good for God then you are unknowingly falling under vamachara. Our Hindu scriptures never told to eat Non vegetarian. Bible and Khuran say that it is not a sin to eat Non vegetarian. That is why they are following it strictly. But when our “BHAGAVAT GITA†OUR “RAMAYANA†OUR BHAGAVATAM never mentioned to eat Non-vegetarian then HOW DARE A Hindu to Eat Non-vegetarian. “If Bible or Khuran say that Not to eat Non vegetarian then I bet all Christians and Muslims would have stopped eating Non vegetarianâ€.

When all our Vedas and our Pavitra Grandhas tell “No†to “HIMSA†the how can you eat it? If you want to be a perfect Hindu then you should respect our Hindu Vedas and Grandhas. If you are eating Non-vegetarian being a Hindu then do not call yourself as a

“Hinduâ€. All other religion people are best than “Non-vegetarian Hindus†because they are truly trusting their sacred books and respecting it. Some of my Christian and Muslim friends sometimes comment that true Hindus are really rare to find these days. They comment that in one way “Hindu dharmas proclaim, “Ahimsa Paramo Dharma†or, Ahimsa is the highest form of dharma (virtue). Ahimsa means non-violence, non-injury or non-killing and most of the Hindus kill animals and eat it. They say that we do not know what religion we are following.

Please stop killing animals and eating Non-vegetarian and feel proud to be a Hindu. After reading these entire if any HINDU still argues then I leaves his/her mind to God and pray to God to give him/her a good mind. ““Ahimsa Paramo Dharma†or, Ahimsa is the highest form of dharma (virtue). Ahimsa means non-violence, non-injury or non-killing.â€

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I am not a good astrologer, I learnt what I could, before I eventually left it since I felt I have moved beyond. Its not that I dont use that knowledge, but I now believe that future can never be static, thereby astrology can at best be a indicator at a broad level - this however is only my understanding.call it a discussion or argument - its modus operandi does not change. There are no ill feelings ever, only the process of wanting to self-actualize.Do you know you have actually opened the pandoras box, by accurately describing the symptoms of religious decay of mankind. Firstly, how is it possible by any measure that meat eating is sin for some people and not for others? You say each follows their

scriptures, fine, but what does it actually imply? It implies that the act you perform is a sin or not a sin depending on weather you consider it to be a sin or not. Isnt that what Karma says too? Poor god has no role in your life - he might have initiated the process of life (we can never be sure of it except for scriptural validation) but from that point hence it is we who have created our karma and it is also we who choose to live that karma. Our rishis have left clues, nothing that they described is literally what they described, yet they described it for those who can see through because there is no other way of accurately representing their experience. Lastly, the puppet analogy I used was to hi-light a few men trying to control other, by proclaiming superior knowledge which makes them gods and hence they have a say in everything you do!If however, you can make

yourself puppet in the hands of fate, good for you. But I suspect you cant - you need a bhagavad gita or a bhagavatam and hence someone who can interpret it for you - which defeats the notion of what you started out to achieve. I am not saying Guru is not needed, but in my opinion the role of god or guru is only to show you the way and let you walk on it - Ramana maharshi pointed out astutely that the path of evolution starts first with God then graduates to guru and then to self - however, do we understand the context in which he used the three names to begin with?? I doubt so !Ramakrishna was perhaps the greatest bhakti yogi that we have seen in recent history, however he was not beyond his own mental conditioning. Again this is my opinion, and I shud admit that I am nowhere near the greatness of the man that I am talking about. yet - he probably gave us the greatest hint into the nature of spirituality when he

said realization is "to say "its not thisnot this" and thereby reaching the essence "that is" and then coming out of that state and realizing "this is thatthis is that" until the whole existence becomes one!" - Yet how could he propose that "money and women" are to be kept away!! It is not that money or women are the hindrances, it is our own nature that contains the seeds of the bias that nature and thought has put into us - that is the real hindrance. So also - we talk of the three states "rajasik, saatvic, tamasic" - Jiddu Krishnamurthy talked of three states of thought "acting, inaction, passive observance" - Sages have described three states of being "waking, sleeping and dreaming" - in essence cant you see that all three are actually the same!! All three are the attributes of this thought that is operational within us - lets quickly see how:"Rajasik" - Thought that leads to action  

- Loosely corresponds to dreamingTamasic - Thought that leads to inaction  - loosely corresponds to sleeping Saatvic - Thought that is passively observing  - Loosely corresponds to waking this is how far your eating meat can affect you! However, you move one step forward over to Ramana Maharshi - to see that these natures exist as long as thought controls you! the same goes with women and money being hinderences to your progress. If true realisation is your motto - as I guess it is since you talk of Gita - then essentially you have to go beyond thought, not what thought might cause if you eat meat or suggest that vegetarianism can lead to a better society. The real trick is - this is practically impossible - in meditation you briefly touch upon this state where existence ceases to exist, but once you come out of it - its all over - yet if you move

further beyond (which I suspect is not easy at all) all that is there is silence where you cannot operate in this world at all - until you reach this state - its foolish to even talk of becoming the puppet in the hands of puppeteer. Just realise that what is suggesting to you that Meat shud be avoided is also the maya that is operational as thought within you. The moment this thought falls, so will the karma associated with eating meat will fall. The question is - will you let go???kishore kishore <mydearindiansacred-objects Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 12:24:06 AMRe: Veg & Non-veg Issue. (“Ahimsa Paramo Dharma†).

 

Om Gam Ganapatahye Namaha

 

Dear Surya Ji,

 

I think you are a good Astrologer. If I am wrong then excuse me. I saw one of your articles on ammas website. I feel happy to communicate with you through this group. And I feel I need not to tell you everything elaborately. Still your question provoked my mind to write elaborately.   I am not telling any new thing. Many Animal Rights and Animal Protection Organizations throughout the world are telling the same thing. These organizations formed in these days but our Hinduism formed long back and telling the same thing.   Asking questions is a good method to explore knowledge. I follow the same. Please treat this as a productive discussion and not as an argument. This reply is little lengthy.   In my first email you can see that I appreciated Christians and Muslims who thinks eating non vegetarian is not a sin. They are truly following their sacred books.They all treat their sacred books and their Gods as their Mother and Father and follow it. My worry is some of the Hindus say that they are Hindus and forget what our philosophy taught us. Our Hindu philosophy never told to kill and eat. Unfortunately some of the Hindus are not following what our great saints told us and prescribed us for better living.. Why to doubt our own Mother like Vedas and saints with second thought.   Surprisingly most of the saints from Hindu religion said that “All religions are oneâ€.. Surprisingly many other religions can not dare to accept and treat all religions as one. This is the greatness of Hinduism and Hindu saints. We treat all religions as one. Ramakrishnaparamaha msa is a good example for this. Our Hindu Philosophy is the richest and oldest philosophy on earth. So there is nothing wrong in proposing it to our own Hindus. If i propose it to other religions then it is wrong.

  My answer to your question follows from here. Let me go to the roots of this issue.   When we sleep we will get a dream. We think, feel, and talk in dreams. In dream state we feel everything is real. We forget that we are sleeping and we feel every scene and feeling is real in dreams. When we become conscious we understand that it was not real. We never guess what dream we will get and when we wake up we do not know where were those feeling and persons have gone. It was ended.   Our life is also like that dream which is not permanent. We do not know where we were before taking birth and we do not know where will go after death. In between we live in this temporary dream of life. Hence, we all are puppets and the puppeteer is some unseen/unknown energy. You name it God or energy that is your wish.   You too know that we all have got unique horoscopes. That unique life style had given by the puppeteer to every puppet on this earth.   Now every puppet (Human) has two choices. First choice is to forget about that puppeteer and live this life as real. Second is to think about that puppeteer and try to meet and question that puppeteer to know the secret of this universe.   If you fall under second choice, I mean if you are in quest of that puppeteer then one must realize that this body is only false and not real. One has to win Kama, krodha, lobha, moha, matsarya. Then only we can become conscious about our body which is not true.   One has to decide in which way his/her life to lead. If one decides to lead his/her life thinking that this body is real and forever then it is his/her wish. If one decides to lead life in quest of that energy which created his/her body as temporary then as I have mentioned above they have to win Kama, krodha, lobha, moha, matsarya.   What happens if anybody eats daily pizzas? That person will get more fat, may get heart attack, may get blood sugar and hyper tension and ultimately person will become angry. Our food in take has direct connection on our thinking and health. Non vegetarian foods have got lot of fat. And it is written as sin to kill and eat. Let’s give a chance to those animals to live for some more days.   Even Some vegetarian foods are not good. But Non vegetarian food is more dangerous than vegetarian to people who are in quest of that energy/God/puppetee r. If they keep eating food which can effect adversely on the way they think then they will not know God.   Our Vedas, Gita , Ramayana , Bhagavatham and all other holy Hindu guides told us how to reach God. They clearly wrote to have Satvik Ahar only and not to eat any animal.   Proposing a good thing to build a healthier society is can’t be a wrong thing.  

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surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv@ ..com>Re: Veg & Non-veg Issue. (“Ahimsa Paramo Dharma†).sacred-objectsWednesday, 22 April, 2009, 8:01 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear Krishna,

 

Even within the realm of faith one has to think rationally. Religion's intention cannot be to promote whimsical thinking - because then it will become a puppet being played by the puppeteer invariably.

 

You are putting forward an argument when you are supporting non-vegetarianism for hindus. And you are using references to scriptures to support this argument. 

 

But even from the point of view of scriptures, these arguments are incomplete. If you are saying I follow gita or bhagavatam - you can only follow them and not propose that others do the same - Till you understand these scriptures in the total context of hinduism.

 

One thing I like about you is that you are making a suggestion, which is much better than a bunch of pseudo intellectuals who talk as though they know everything. 

 

Just to explore, why do you think these scriptures suggested that you should be a non-vegetarian? are you willing to discuss?

 

 

 

kishore kishore <mydearindian@ >sacred-objectsTuesday, April 21, 2009 11:18:18 PMRe: Veg & Non-veg Issue. (“Ahimsa Paramo Dharma†).

 

 

 

 

 

 

Om Gam Ganapatahye Namaha

 

Dear Surya Ji,

 

I thank you for your kind attention on this topic.

 

Thanks for your appreciation. You are advising me to think rationally. But I do not know what rational thinking is. I can think only in one way. And it is from the way of Gita , Ramayana, Bhagavatam and from all other good books of our religion. Your thinking and My thinking is nothing to do here when we trust on "Gods way of Thinking" and those examples that I have taken are for those who adamantly support Non vegetarian. And not for you because I believe you are a vegetarian.   Do you think my flaws are very important than conveying the holy message of Lord Krishna and Buddha?   "Kindly do not use the word argument here". This is not an argument at all this is the opinion of our Hindu sacred books. But I have expressed my opinion in a little hot way.

Once again i request all Non-vegetarian Hindus to not to eat Non-veg. If you trust the existenceof  our lords Krishna , Rama, Hanuman ,Durga and Ganapathy etc... then follow what they say and proud to be a Hindu.  

Have a nice & productive day,

With Best wishes, M.kishore.

 

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Kishore - while I appreciate your good intentions - please realise that your arguments sound like the words taught to a parrot without any real discriminatory power. There are so many flaws in the arguments that you have given. While its pointless to point them out, I suggest you actually leave behind what you have been taught and think rationally about the arguments you put across. 

 

Rgds!

 

 

 

kishore kishore <mydearindian@ >sacred-objectsTuesday, April 21, 2009 2:47:11 AM Veg & Non-veg Issue. (“Ahimsa Paramo Dharma†).

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Om Gam Ganapathaye Namaha"   Hello friends,   I saw one post on Vegetarian and Non-vegetarian issue. I want to try my best to give an answer to those who eat Non vegetarian and call themselves as Hindus.   Somebody told that even plants also have got sense and eating plants is equal to killing an animal. How foolish they are. Thousands of years back human hunted humans and also other animals and ate. It is true that it had happened in ignorance. But now knowingly can you kill a human being and eat like those who use to do in past? No, because now humans will react adversely if do it.   Let me explain an incident. Recently in Andhra Pradesh one father used both of his daughters for sex. He says that there is no rule written anywhere to not to have sex with own daughters. What a pity thing it is. Here this father is not able to distinguish what is bad and what is good. And also he right from his end because God has not given him enough intelligence to distinguish what is good and what is bad.

  Similarly if one thinks that vegetarian food is equal to non-vegetarian then he/she is equal to that Father.

  I agree with this father and with those who says that no where it is written what is to be eaten and what is not be eaten. However, remember that very fortunately we have taken the Janma of Human. And very fortunately we have taken the Janma of a “Hindu and born in India .   If you do not know how to distinguish what is bad and what is Good then its okay. But at least kindly respect and follow our Hindu scriptures and say No to Non vegetarian.   Christians: Eat Non-vegetarian because their religion tells that eating non vegetarian is not a sin. I appreciate all Christians because they are following what Bible says.   Muslims: I also appreciate Muslim people. They also do not feel eating Non-vegetarian is a sin.   Buddhists: I greatly admire them because they strictly follow Buddha and they do not eat Non-vegetarian.   Hinduism: Before commenting on our Hindus I would like to give you some knowledge about Dakshina marg and Vama marg in Tantra and mantra. Some people worship God for Good and some people for Bad.   People who worships God for bad they kill animals and give as prasadam to “God and Goddess†for evil desires. Some people till now following it unknowingly and thinking that it is not a sin and it is a good way of worshiping God. Daskhinachara is a good way and vamachara is a bad way. Some Trantrics use vamacahara for getting bad results.   Some vamachara techniques unfortunately have been mixed in dakshinachara because they liked the taste of Non-vegetarian. Actually they do not know that they are unknowingly doing a sin by following vamacharam. They will not get any good result by offering animals to deities.   Now the question is how can be God used for Bad? Simple, we can use a stone to kill a person as well as to see God in it and to build a house with it etc... We can use Gun to save good people and as well as to kill good people.  However, Gun remains same as Gun. Stone remains same as stone but our mind is deciding in which way to use it. Similarly God is pure and good always. It is our mind which wants to use God for evil powers.   Good minds can distinguish what is good and what is bad.   I am explaining the above things to tell you that if you think that offering a Goat/Hen or any animal is good for God then you are unknowingly falling under vamachara.   Our Hindu scriptures never told to eat Non vegetarian.   Bible and Khuran say that it is not a sin to eat Non vegetarian. That is why they are following it strictly. But when our “BHAGAVAT GITA†OUR “RAMAYANA†OUR BHAGAVATAM never mentioned to eat Non-vegetarian then HOW DARE A Hindu to Eat Non-vegetarian.   “If Bible or Khuran say that Not to eat Non vegetarian then I bet all Christians and Muslims would have stopped eating Non vegetarianâ€.

  When all our Vedas and our Pavitra Grandhas tell “No†to “HIMSA†the how can you eat it? If you want to be a perfect Hindu then you should respect our Hindu Vedas and Grandhas.   If you are eating Non-vegetarian being a Hindu then do not call yourself as a

“Hinduâ€. All other religion people are best than “Non-vegetarian Hindus†because they are truly trusting their sacred books and respecting it.     Some of my Christian and Muslim friends sometimes comment that true Hindus are really rare to find these days. They comment that in one way “Hindu dharmas proclaim, “Ahimsa Paramo Dharma†or, Ahimsa is the highest form of dharma (virtue). Ahimsa means non-violence, non-injury or non-killing and most of the Hindus kill animals and eat it. They say that we do not know what religion we are following.

  Please stop killing animals and eating Non-vegetarian and feel proud to be a Hindu. After reading these entire if any HINDU still argues then I leaves his/her mind to God and pray to God to give him/her a good mind.   ““Ahimsa Paramo Dharma†or, Ahimsa is the highest form of dharma (virtue). Ahimsa means non-violence, non-injury or non-killing.â€

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In my opinion every person must have spiritual thinking. To attain good spiritual knowledge and to control Kama, krodha, lobha, moha, matsarya which are major obstacles for psychological and physical problems one should avoid Non –vegetarian food. I am not forcing anybody it is only my suggestion. Now a day’s many Outstanding Doctors and Yoga practitioners, Animal protection societies all are suggesting this.

 

Many greatest saints like Lord Buddha or Ramana Maharshi or Shirdi sai Baba have been suggesting this. How can we underestimate their thinking? By recent research some people are arguing that Jesus Christ is a vegetarian. There is no proper evidence that he ate meat.It is still controversial.

 

Some people are telling that Lord Krishna and Rama ate flesh for which there is no strong evidence. Our standard scriptures like Bhagavat Gita and in Ramayana have no sign or word of meat/flesh found. However some atheists still take and argue.

 

There is no rule written on any book what is good and what is bad. It Is a persons intellect which has distinguishes what is good and what is bad.

 

For a thief steeling is not sin but for us it is sin.

For a yogi eating Non vegetarian is a sin but for a foodie it is not a sin

For some people telling lies is a sin and for some telling lies is a good way of life.

For serial killer killing is not a sin but for us it is a sin.

 

So it is all up to ones choice. But good people take good choices from elders and experiences. But for some it may take some time or even some janmas to understand what is good

and what is bad.

 

I am not forcing any body.. This is only my suggestion.

 

 

Have a nice & productive day,

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surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashvRe: Veg & Non-veg Issue. (“Ahimsa Paramo Dharma†).sacred-objects Date: Thursday, 23 April, 2009, 9:14 AM

 

 

 

 

I am not a good astrologer, I learnt what I could, before I eventually left it since I felt I have moved beyond. Its not that I dont use that knowledge, but I now believe that future can never be static, thereby astrology can at best be a indicator at a broad level - this however is only my understanding.

 

call it a discussion or argument - its modus operandi does not change. There are no ill feelings ever, only the process of wanting to self-actualize.

 

Do you know you have actually opened the pandoras box, by accurately describing the symptoms of religious decay of mankind.

 

Firstly, how is it possible by any measure that meat eating is sin for some people and not for others? You say each follows their scriptures, fine, but what does it actually imply? It implies that the act you perform is a sin or not a sin depending on weather you consider it to be a sin or not. Isnt that what Karma says too? Poor god has no role in your life - he might have initiated the process of life (we can never be sure of it except for scriptural validation) but from that point hence it is we who have created our karma and it is also we who choose to live that karma.

 

Our rishis have left clues, nothing that they described is literally what they described, yet they described it for those who can see through because there is no other way of accurately representing their experience.

 

Lastly, the puppet analogy I used was to hi-light a few men trying to control other, by proclaiming superior knowledge which makes them gods and hence they have a say in everything you do!

 

If however, you can make yourself puppet in the hands of fate, good for you. But I suspect you cant - you need a bhagavad gita or a bhagavatam and hence someone who can interpret it for you - which defeats the notion of what you started out to achieve. I am not saying Guru is not needed, but in my opinion the role of god or guru is only to show you the way and let you walk on it - Ramana maharshi pointed out astutely that the path of evolution starts first with God then graduates to guru and then to self - however, do we understand the context in which he used the three names to begin with?? I doubt so !

 

Ramakrishna was perhaps the greatest bhakti yogi that we have seen in recent history, however he was not beyond his own mental conditioning. Again this is my opinion, and I shud admit that I am nowhere near the greatness of the man that I am talking about. yet - he probably gave us the greatest hint into the nature of spirituality when he said realization is "to say "its not thisnot this" and thereby reaching the essence "that is" and then coming out of that state and realizing "this is thatthis is that" until the whole existence becomes one!" - Yet how could he propose that "money and women" are to be kept away!! It is not that money or women are the hindrances, it is our own nature that contains the seeds of the bias that nature and thought has put into us - that is the real hindrance.

 

So also - we talk of the three states "rajasik, saatvic, tamasic" - Jiddu Krishnamurthy talked of three states of thought "acting, inaction, passive observance" - Sages have described three states of being "waking, sleeping and dreaming" - in essence cant you see that all three are actually the same!! All three are the attributes of this thought that is operational within us - lets quickly see how:

 

"Rajasik" - Thought that leads to action - Loosely corresponds to dreaming

Tamasic - Thought that leads to inaction - loosely corresponds to sleeping

Saatvic - Thought that is passively observing - Loosely corresponds to waking

 

this is how far your eating meat can affect you! However, you move one step forward over to Ramana Maharshi - to see that these natures exist as long as thought controls you! the same goes with women and money being hinderences to your progress.

 

If true realisation is your motto - as I guess it is since you talk of Gita - then essentially you have to go beyond thought, not what thought might cause if you eat meat or suggest that vegetarianism can lead to a better society.

 

The real trick is - this is practically impossible - in meditation you briefly touch upon this state where existence ceases to exist, but once you come out of it - its all over - yet if you move further beyond (which I suspect is not easy at all) all that is there is silence where you cannot operate in this world at all - until you reach this state - its foolish to even talk of becoming the puppet in the hands of puppeteer.

 

Just realise that what is suggesting to you that Meat shud be avoided is also the maya that is operational as thought within you. The moment this thought falls, so will the karma associated with eating meat will fall. The question is - will you let go???

 

 

 

 

 

 

kishore kishore <mydearindian@ >sacred-objectsThursday, April 23, 2009 12:24:06 AMRe: Veg & Non-veg Issue. (“Ahimsa Paramo Dharma†).

 

 

 

 

 

 

Om Gam Ganapatahye Namaha

Dear Surya Ji,

I think you are a good Astrologer. If I am wrong then excuse me. I saw one of your articles on ammas website. I feel happy to communicate with you through this group. And I feel I need not to tell you everything elaborately. Still your question provoked my mind to write elaborately.

I am not telling any new thing. Many Animal Rights and Animal Protection Organizations throughout the world are telling the same thing. These organizations formed in these days but our Hinduism formed long back and telling the same thing.

Asking questions is a good method to explore knowledge. I follow the same. Please treat this as a productive discussion and not as an argument. This reply is little lengthy. In my first email you can see that I appreciated Christians and Muslims who thinks eating non vegetarian is not a sin. They are truly following their sacred books.They all treat their sacred books and their Gods as their Mother and Father and follow it. My worry is some of the Hindus say that they are Hindus and forget what our philosophy taught us. Our Hindu philosophy never told to kill and eat. Unfortunately some of the Hindus are not following what our great saints told us and prescribed us for better living.. Why to doubt our own Mother like Vedas and saints with second thought. Surprisingly most of the saints from Hindu religion said that “All religions are oneâ€.. Surprisingly many other religions can not dare to accept and treat all religions as one. This is the greatness of Hinduism and Hindu saints. We treat all religions as one. Ramakrishnaparamaha msa is a good example for this. Our Hindu Philosophy is the richest and oldest philosophy on earth. So there is nothing wrong in proposing it to our own Hindus. If i propose it to other religions then it is wrong. My answer to your question follows from here. Let me go to the roots of this issue. When we sleep we will get a dream. We think, feel, and talk in dreams. In dream state we feel everything is real. We forget that we are sleeping and we feel every scene and feeling is real in dreams. When we become conscious we understand that it was not real. We never guess what dream we will get and when we wake up we do not know where were those feeling and persons have gone. It was ended. Our life is also like that dream which is not permanent. We do not know where we were before taking birth and we do not know where will go after death. In between we live in this temporary dream of life. Hence, we all are puppets and the puppeteer is some unseen/unknown energy. You name it God or energy that is your wish. You too know that we all have got unique horoscopes. That unique life style had given by the puppeteer to every puppet on this earth. Now every puppet (Human) has two choices. First choice is to forget about that puppeteer and live this life as real. Second is to think about that puppeteer and try to meet and question that puppeteer to know the secret of this universe. If you fall under second choice, I mean if you are in quest of that puppeteer then one must realize that this body is only false and not real. One has to win Kama, krodha, lobha, moha, matsarya. Then only we can become conscious about our body which is not true. One has to decide in which way his/her life to lead. If one decides to lead his/her life thinking that this body is real and forever then it is his/her wish. If one decides to lead life in quest of that energy which created his/her body as temporary then as I have mentioned above they have to win Kama, krodha, lobha, moha, matsarya. What happens if anybody eats daily pizzas? That person will get more fat, may get heart attack, may get blood sugar and hyper tension and ultimately person will become angry. Our food in take has direct connection on our thinking and health. Non vegetarian foods have got lot of fat. And it is written as sin to kill and eat. Let’s give a chance to those animals to live for some more days. Even Some vegetarian foods are not good. But Non vegetarian food is more dangerous than vegetarian to people who are in quest of that energy/God/puppetee r. If they keep eating food which can effect adversely on the way they think then they will not know God. Our Vedas, Gita , Ramayana , Bhagavatham and all other holy Hindu guides told us how to reach God. They clearly wrote to have Satvik Ahar only and not to eat any animal. Proposing a good thing to build a healthier society is can’t be a wrong thing.

 

Have a nice & productive day,

With Best wishes, M.kishore. Cell: 9290749818

 

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surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv@ ..com>Re: Veg & Non-veg Issue. (“Ahimsa Paramo Dharma†).sacred-objectsWednesday, 22 April, 2009, 8:01 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear Krishna,

 

Even within the realm of faith one has to think rationally. Religion's intention cannot be to promote whimsical thinking - because then it will become a puppet being played by the puppeteer invariably.

 

You are putting forward an argument when you are supporting non-vegetarianism for hindus. And you are using references to scriptures to support this argument.

 

But even from the point of view of scriptures, these arguments are incomplete. If you are saying I follow gita or bhagavatam - you can only follow them and not propose that others do the same - Till you understand these scriptures in the total context of hinduism.

 

One thing I like about you is that you are making a suggestion, which is much better than a bunch of pseudo intellectuals who talk as though they know everything.

 

Just to explore, why do you think these scriptures suggested that you should be a non-vegetarian? are you willing to discuss?

 

 

 

kishore kishore <mydearindian@ >sacred-objectsTuesday, April 21, 2009 11:18:18 PMRe: Veg & Non-veg Issue. (“Ahimsa Paramo Dharma†).

 

 

 

 

 

 

Om Gam Ganapatahye Namaha

 

Dear Surya Ji,

 

I thank you for your kind attention on this topic.

 

Thanks for your appreciation. You are advising me to think rationally. But I do not know what rational thinking is. I can think only in one way. And it is from the way of Gita , Ramayana, Bhagavatam and from all other good books of our religion. Your thinking and My thinking is nothing to do here when we trust on "Gods way of Thinking" and those examples that I have taken are for those who adamantly support Non vegetarian. And not for you because I believe you are a vegetarian.

Do you think my flaws are very important than conveying the holy message of Lord Krishna and Buddha?

"Kindly do not use the word argument here". This is not an argument at all this is the opinion of our Hindu sacred books. But I have expressed my opinion in a little hot way.

Once again i request all Non-vegetarian Hindus to not to eat Non-veg. If you trust the existenceof our lords Krishna , Rama, Hanuman ,Durga and Ganapathy etc... then follow what they say and proud to be a Hindu.

 

Have a nice & productive day,

With Best wishes, M.kishore.

 

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Kishore - while I appreciate your good intentions - please realise that your arguments sound like the words taught to a parrot without any real discriminatory power. There are so many flaws in the arguments that you have given. While its pointless to point them out, I suggest you actually leave behind what you have been taught and think rationally about the arguments you put across.

 

Rgds!

 

 

 

kishore kishore <mydearindian@ >sacred-objectsTuesday, April 21, 2009 2:47:11 AM Veg & Non-veg Issue. (“Ahimsa Paramo Dharma†).

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Om Gam Ganapathaye Namaha"

Hello friends,

I saw one post on Vegetarian and Non-vegetarian issue. I want to try my best to give an answer to those who eat Non vegetarian and call themselves as Hindus.

Somebody told that even plants also have got sense and eating plants is equal to killing an animal. How foolish they are. Thousands of years back human hunted humans and also other animals and ate. It is true that it had happened in ignorance. But now knowingly can you kill a human being and eat like those who use to do in past? No, because now humans will react adversely if do it.

Let me explain an incident. Recently in Andhra Pradesh one father used both of his daughters for sex. He says that there is no rule written anywhere to not to have sex with own daughters. What a pity thing it is. Here this father is not able to distinguish what is bad and what is good. And also he right from his end because God has not given him enough intelligence to distinguish what is good and what is bad.

Similarly if one thinks that vegetarian food is equal to non-vegetarian then he/she is equal to that Father.

I agree with this father and with those who says that no where it is written what is to be eaten and what is not be eaten. However, remember that very fortunately we have taken the Janma of Human. And very fortunately we have taken the Janma of a “Hindu and born in India . If you do not know how to distinguish what is bad and what is Good then its okay. But at least kindly respect and follow our Hindu scriptures and say No to Non vegetarian. Christians: Eat Non-vegetarian because their religion tells that eating non vegetarian is not a sin. I appreciate all Christians because they are following what Bible says. Muslims: I also appreciate Muslim people. They also do not feel eating Non-vegetarian is a sin. Buddhists: I greatly admire them because they strictly follow Buddha and they do not eat Non-vegetarian. Hinduism: Before commenting on our Hindus I would like to give you some knowledge about Dakshina marg and Vama marg in Tantra and mantra. Some people worship God for Good and some people for Bad. People who worships God for bad they kill animals and give as prasadam to “God and Goddess†for evil desires. Some people till now following it unknowingly and thinking that it is not a sin and it is a good way of worshiping God. Daskhinachara is a good way and vamachara is a bad way. Some Trantrics use vamacahara for getting bad results. Some vamachara techniques unfortunately have been mixed in dakshinachara because they liked the taste of Non-vegetarian. Actually they do not know that they are unknowingly doing a sin by following vamacharam. They will not get any good result by offering animals to deities. Now the question is how can be God used for Bad? Simple, we can use a stone to kill a person as well as to see God in it and to build a house with it etc... We can use Gun to save good people and as well as to kill good people. However, Gun remains same as Gun. Stone remains same as stone but our mind is deciding in which way to use it. Similarly God is pure and good always. It is our mind which wants to use God for evil powers. Good minds can distinguish what is good and what is bad. I am explaining the above things to tell you that if you think that offering a Goat/Hen or any animal is good for God then you are unknowingly falling under vamachara. Our Hindu scriptures never told to eat Non vegetarian. Bible and Khuran say that it is not a sin to eat Non vegetarian. That is why they are following it strictly. But when our “BHAGAVAT GITA†OUR “RAMAYANA†OUR BHAGAVATAM never mentioned to eat Non-vegetarian then HOW DARE A Hindu to Eat Non-vegetarian. “If Bible or Khuran say that Not to eat Non vegetarian then I bet all Christians and Muslims would have stopped eating Non vegetarianâ€.

When all our Vedas and our Pavitra Grandhas tell “No†to “HIMSA†the how can you eat it? If you want to be a perfect Hindu then you should respect our Hindu Vedas and Grandhas. If you are eating Non-vegetarian being a Hindu then do not call yourself as a

“Hinduâ€. All other religion people are best than “Non-vegetarian Hindus†because they are truly trusting their sacred books and respecting it. Some of my Christian and Muslim friends sometimes comment that true Hindus are really rare to find these days. They comment that in one way “Hindu dharmas proclaim, “Ahimsa Paramo Dharma†or, Ahimsa is the highest form of dharma (virtue). Ahimsa means non-violence, non-injury or non-killing and most of the Hindus kill animals and eat it. They say that we do not know what religion we are following.

Please stop killing animals and eating Non-vegetarian and feel proud to be a Hindu. After reading these entire if any HINDU still argues then I leaves his/her mind to God and pray to God to give him/her a good mind. ““Ahimsa Paramo Dharma†or, Ahimsa is the highest form of dharma (virtue). Ahimsa means non-violence, non-injury or non-killing.â€

Have a nice & productive day,

With Best wishes, M.kishore. Cell: 9290749818 (Hyd).

 

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