To Mr.Phadke - Is Hatha Jodi from (rudraksha-ratna.com) & (shaligram.com) FA

April 20, 2009

Hello Krish,

I appreciate your question because you are enquiring just like the way I enquired long back about Hatha Jodi. However, I did not enquire here in this group or any other group. I had chosen my own way.

I want to share my experience here and tell some words about me.

My name is Kishore.. I am from Hyderabad. I bought Hatha Jodi from ( Shaligramshila). I have been chanting Chamundeswari Devi mantra 108 times and offering flowers to it. I have been seeing good results in these 2 months. Do not think negatively about me. I am not a sales executive of Shaligram but I am a customer of Shaligram. I just paid amount through my credit card to them with â€œWith Trust and knowledgeâ€.

Through Hatha Jodi I got a chance to chant the Mantra of my sweet Mother â€œChamundeswariâ€. It is all Mother Chamundeswari wishes. I think she planned in this way and wanted me to be near to her.

I am an HR Manager and Industrial Psychologist. I never simply believe any thing. It took 2 Months for me to buy this product from Shaligram. Even Rajiv ji do not know how much i enquired about him/his company. I am an outstanding googler. I know all search techniques on Google/Net very well.

I really do not know who is Rajiv or Shaligram. I even did not join this group 2 months back. I am in problems. I was alone and finding a root to come out. I was just browsing on net for Horoscopes and mantras. Accidentally I read about Hatha Jodi. I searched deeply about that product on net and also asked many people.

I am not suggesting you to buy blindly from Shaligram or any other company. My advice is â€œTrust with Knowledge" but do not Trust anything â€œWithout Knowledge". So, kindly search about the company from whom you want to buy it. It may be Shaligram or any other company. Ask people like this and "listen to your Heart".. If your heart says yes then go for it and just buy it.

"Trust" is very important in these issues. Though you get a real one, if somebody tells that it is a fake, then what happens? You will doubt yourself. So, till you feel confident do not buy it. Nobody will return your money after you buy it.

I believe nature has the power to heal not only our health problems but also they help us to remove our life mental/financial problems also. God has given many gifts so that we can reach God/see God/Trust God. There are many ways to get Trust on God. In fact there are many good ways to come out from problems. However, remember these Hatha Jodi/Siyar Singhi etc are also some of the ways to build trust on God.

Go with your own Intuition. Good luck.

Thanks,

M.Kishore

Hyderabad

Cell: 9290749818

Have a nice & productive day,

With Best wishes, M.kishore.

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Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 Re: To Mr.Phadke - Is Hatha Jodi from (.com) & (shaligram.com) FAsacred-objects Date: Monday, 20 April, 2009, 8:53 PM

As a GIA gemologist, who is trained to see real from fake, the below post is nonsense.A phony ruby has NO ratna-shakti; a real ruby has ratna-shakti. No question of faith on ID. Real Hatha Jodi IS A PLANT. ---Y/s Richardsacred-objects, himanshu gupte <hrgupte > wrote:>> Unable to understand why ppl break heads on such matters that if its chicken legs or human legz????> If u think its real hatha jodi.....its real hatha jodi.....it will give results....if u say its fake its fake....> This is all belief....nothing much....> further....> there i one very simple test....> take our small piece of the material which u want to test...and burn that...if u smell like some organic material or

smell like some flesh burning think its animal legs.....> simple na????? lolz....> > --- On Sat, 18/4/09, krish667777 <krish667777@ ...> wrote:> > krish667777 <krish667777@ ....>> To Mr.Phadke - Is Hatha Jodi from (. com) & (shaligram.com) FAKE?> sacred-objects> Saturday, 18 April, 2009, 10:07 PM> > Mr.Phadke,> > QUOTE"I have not seen a single website selling genuine Hatha Jodi. All the Hatha Jodi available and sold in the market are made from chicken legs or from the legs of rock lizzard." UNQUOTE> > Is Hatha Jodi from (. com) & (shaligram.com) are FAKE TOO?> >

Are they selling pieces of Chicken Legs OR Rock Lizards?> > They are claiming it to be Original, genuine real, authentic ETC...> > http://www.rudraksh a-ratna.com/ dispProduct. php?prodId= 4165> > http://www.shaligra m.com/dispCatego ry.php?catId= 282> > I read somewhere on the web some time ago, mentioning that were FAKE, but couldn't get in touch with the commenter.> > Your comments would enable buyers from falling in the pit.> > Sincerely,> Krish> > > > sacred-objects@

. com, chandrashekhar phadke <chphadke@> wrote:> >> > Dear Shri. Arjuna ji,> > > > Do not get disturbed. There are many animals and animal products in use in Hindu mythology. What about silk ? Silk is extracted from cocoons of beatiful small milky white caterpillars of the species Bombax mori. The extraction of silk is very traggic. Thousands of these cocoons are boiled in water with a insect moth inside in its developing stage of its metamorphosis cycle. If moth is allowed to emerge from the cocoon, traders in the field do not get the quality staple length of the silk. Cocoons are therefore boiled and inside moth is killed so that it will not emerge from the cocoon damaging it. I had sent many postings on this subject earlier. > > > > What is silver foil which is put on many sweets ? How it is made

? I would suggest members to do the internet search to know more about this process. Silver plates are pounded heavily keeping them in ox or cow intestine obtained from the slaughter house. Supply of ox or cow intestine for silver foil industry is a big business. These foils are then used to decorate sweets and even by Jain people to decorate dieties.> > > > Similarly, gelatin which is used in many sweets, puddings, custards is extracted from cartilage tissue of animal bone, horns and nails.> > > > As you have pointed out, shells which are also animal product are either collected live or dead. There is no way to know that whether the shell is collected live or dead. Shell is similar to the musical instrument in which a tubing is tightly wound. This tubing slowly gets widen and because of this anatomical property shell can be blown.> > >

> What about Shaligrams ? Scientifically, shaligrams are known as ammonites, i.e. fossilized sea snails. Presence of Shaligrams from Gandaki river and its occurrence in the Himalayan ranges is considered as a proof that there was a sea in the present day Himalayan ranges. Most of the shaligrams are with animal fossils. One my friend did his Ph.D. on ammonites. According to him only Hiranya Garbha Shaligrams do not have animal fossil inside. > > > > I have not seen a single website selling genuine Hatha Jodi. All the Hatha Jodi available and sold in the market are made from chicken legs or from the legs of rock lizzard. The genuine Hatha Jodi never looks like a pair of hands etc. It is plant product. The picture of genuine Hatha Jodi was displayed by Mr. Alok Jagawat on this forum earlier.> > > > There are many many examples and the list is

unending. Do not get disturb.> > > > Thanking you and with best wishes,> > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke> > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 17/4/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote:> > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ >> > Re: Question on Lakhmi Shank> > sacred-objects> > Friday, 17 April, 2009, 7:33 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear richardji> > > > shankh or a conch is an animal akin to a

tortoise which has a thick skin as jard as a bone aka shell which acts as a cover for itself to protect from the predators. the photos of this animal can be seen in the net by simple search.> > > > this animal is also served as a SEAFOOD item in various countries. bluntly put, the flesh of the animal is eaten or died and the remaining bone or hard shell is WORSHIPPED.> > > > when i was speaking the truth about rudraksha, critics told that ALL their rudraksha have natural holes and they were shocked or wondered to hear that one makes a hole in it. always they tried to find a fall guy in me.> > > > similarly, they may now again be shocked to hear that these conches are pierced, drilled and made a big hole to let the wind pass through so that it can be BLOWN. if these oversensitive sacred object dealers find this horrible like they find ONLY WITH ME in rudraksha earlier, they would be disappointed

to hear that i dont deal in conches. anyway customers be happy that these manually DRILLED HOLED shankhs which are BLOWN like a trumpet by all hindu priests may not find any critic because i am not dealing them. i would not wonder if these criics come and state publicly that ALL their shankh had natural hole.> > > > anyway, i have read and found that the ancient scriptures have enough references where a shankh is worshipped and how to blow a shankh and how the lord himself was carrying a shankh.> > > > critics may better change their habits of finding fault with others who make available sacred objects and work for the casue of giving more information about the sacred obejcts to the discerning customers and members and share more information than keeping close to chest even while demanding information from others. my advice to all sacred object dealers remains same alwyas that we all shall strive to make public

aware of the sacred objects collectively, make these sacred objects available and highlight the significance of the sacred object and not the dealer. brother richard is one such sacred object dealer who always find positive supplementation when other sacred object dealers contribute and that is the right approach to look at all other dealers.> > > > with best wishes and blessings> > pandit arjun> > www.rudraksharemedy .com> > > > sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw Brown" <rsbj66@> wrote:> > >> > > Is Lakshmi Shank an animal or a vegetable???> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add

more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger. ..com/ invite/> >> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> >

April 21, 2009

Hare Krishna Prabhu Kishore, Thanks for your mail Prabhu. Please accept my best wishes, all glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga, all glories to all the devotees of the Lord.

I am really thankful to you for sharing your views about our company www.shaligram.com I hope this will help,Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Devah NamahaI beg to remain yours in the humble service of the Lord and Hisdevotees. Have a Nice Day,Thanks and Regards, Haribol, Rajiv Krishna Dasa,WWW.SHALIGRAM.COM00 91 93226464210091 22 24459616salagram8--- On Mon, 20/4/09, kishore kishore <mydearindian wrote:

kishore kishore <mydearindianRe: Re: To Mr.Phadke - Is Hatha Jodi from (.com) & (shaligram.com) FAsacred-objects Date: Monday, 20 April, 2009, 11:35 AM

Hello Krish,

I appreciate your question because you are enquiring just like the way I enquired long back about Hatha Jodi. However, I did not enquire here in this group or any other group. I had chosen my own way.

I want to share my experience here and tell some words about me.

My name is Kishore... I am from Hyderabad . I bought Hatha Jodi from ( Shaligramshila) . I have been chanting Chamundeswari Devi mantra 108 times and offering flowers to it. I have been seeing good results in these 2 months. Do not think negatively about me. I am not a sales executive of Shaligram but I am a customer of Shaligram. I just paid amount through my credit card to them with â€œWith Trust and knowledgeâ€.

Through Hatha Jodi I got a chance to chant the Mantra of my sweet Mother â€œChamundeswariâ€. It is all Mother Chamundeswari wishes. I think she planned in this way and wanted me to be near to her.

I am an HR Manager and Industrial Psychologist. I never simply believe any thing. It took 2 Months for me to buy this product from Shaligram. Even Rajiv ji do not know how much i enquired about him/his company. I am an outstanding googler. I know all search techniques on Google/Net very well.

I really do not know who is Rajiv or Shaligram. I even did not join this group 2 months back. I am in problems. I was alone and finding a root to come out. I was just browsing on net for Horoscopes and mantras. Accidentally I read about Hatha Jodi. I searched deeply about that product on net and also asked many people.

I am not suggesting you to buy blindly from Shaligram or any other company. My advice is â€œTrust with Knowledge" but do not Trust anything â€œWithout Knowledge". So, kindly search about the company from whom you want to buy it. It may be Shaligram or any other company. Ask people like this and "listen to your Heart"... If your heart says yes then go for it and just buy it.

"Trust" is very important in these issues. Though you get a real one, if somebody tells that it is a fake, then what happens? You will doubt yourself. So, till you feel confident do not buy it. Nobody will return your money after you buy it.

I believe nature has the power to heal not only our health problems but also they help us to remove our life mental/financial problems also. God has given many gifts so that we can reach God/see God/Trust God. There are many ways to get Trust on God. In fact there are many good ways to come out from problems. However, remember these Hatha Jodi/Siyar Singhi etc are also some of the ways to build trust on God.

Go with your own Intuition. Good luck.

Thanks,

M.Kishore

Hyderabad

Cell: 9290749818

Have a nice & productive day,

With Best wishes, M.kishore.

If you don't like to read this E-mail then please mention in subject line "REMOVE".--- On Mon, 20/4/09, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 > wrote:

Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 > Re: To Mr.Phadke - Is Hatha Jodi from (. com) & (shaligram.com) FAsacred-objectsMonday, 20 April, 2009, 8:53 PM

As a GIA gemologist, who is trained to see real from fake, the below post is nonsense.A phony ruby has NO ratna-shakti; a real ruby has ratna-shakti. No question of faith on ID. Real Hatha Jodi IS A PLANT. ---Y/s Richardsacred-objects, himanshu gupte <hrgupte > wrote:>> Unable to understand why ppl break heads on such matters that if its chicken legs or human legz????> If u think its real hatha jodi.....its real hatha jodi.....it will give results....if u say its fake its fake....> This is all belief....nothing much....> further.....> there i one very simple test....> take our small piece of the material which u want to test...and burn that...if u smell like some organic material or smell like some flesh burning think its animal

legs.....> simple na????? lolz....> > --- On Sat, 18/4/09, krish667777 <krish667777@ ...> wrote:> > krish667777 <krish667777@ ....>> To Mr..Phadke - Is Hatha Jodi from (. com) & (shaligram.com) FAKE?> sacred-objects> Saturday, 18 April, 2009, 10:07 PM> > Mr.Phadke,> > QUOTE"I have not seen a single website selling genuine Hatha Jodi. All the Hatha Jodi available and sold in the market are made from chicken legs or from the legs of rock lizzard." UNQUOTE> > Is Hatha Jodi from (. com) & (shaligram.com) are FAKE TOO?> > Are they selling pieces of Chicken Legs OR Rock Lizards?> > They are claiming it to

be Original, genuine real, authentic ETC...> > http://www.rudraksh a-ratna.com/ dispProduct. php?prodId= 4165> > http://www.shaligra m.com/dispCatego ry.php?catId= 282> > I read somewhere on the web some time ago, mentioning that were FAKE, but couldn't get in touch with the commenter.> > Your comments would enable buyers from falling in the pit.> > Sincerely,> Krish> > > > sacred-objects, chandrashekhar phadke <chphadke@> wrote:> >> > Dear Shri. Arjuna ji,> > > > Do

not get disturbed. There are many animals and animal products in use in Hindu mythology. What about silk ? Silk is extracted from cocoons of beatiful small milky white caterpillars of the species Bombax mori. The extraction of silk is very traggic. Thousands of these cocoons are boiled in water with a insect moth inside in its developing stage of its metamorphosis cycle. If moth is allowed to emerge from the cocoon, traders in the field do not get the quality staple length of the silk. Cocoons are therefore boiled and inside moth is killed so that it will not emerge from the cocoon damaging it. I had sent many postings on this subject earlier. > > > > What is silver foil which is put on many sweets ? How it is made ? I would suggest members to do the internet search to know more about this process. Silver plates are pounded heavily keeping them in ox or

cow intestine obtained from the slaughter house. Supply of ox or cow intestine for silver foil industry is a big business. These foils are then used to decorate sweets and even by Jain people to decorate dieties.> > > > Similarly, gelatin which is used in many sweets, puddings, custards is extracted from cartilage tissue of animal bone, horns and nails.> > > > As you have pointed out, shells which are also animal product are either collected live or dead. There is no way to know that whether the shell is collected live or dead. Shell is similar to the musical instrument in which a tubing is tightly wound. This tubing slowly gets widen and because of this anatomical property shell can be blown.> > > > What about Shaligrams ? Scientifically, shaligrams are known as ammonites, i.e. fossilized sea snails. Presence of Shaligrams from Gandaki

river and its occurrence in the Himalayan ranges is considered as a proof that there was a sea in the present day Himalayan ranges. Most of the shaligrams are with animal fossils. One my friend did his Ph.D. on ammonites. According to him only Hiranya Garbha Shaligrams do not have animal fossil inside. > > > > I have not seen a single website selling genuine Hatha Jodi. All the Hatha Jodi available and sold in the market are made from chicken legs or from the legs of rock lizzard. The genuine Hatha Jodi never looks like a pair of hands etc. It is plant product. The picture of genuine Hatha Jodi was displayed by Mr. Alok Jagawat on this forum earlier.> > > > There are many many examples and the list is unending. Do not get disturb.> > > > Thanking you and with best wishes,> > > > Chandrashekhar

Phadke> > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 17/4/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote:> > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ >> > Re: Question on Lakhmi Shank> > sacred-objects> > Friday, 17 April, 2009, 7:33 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear richardji> > > > shankh or a conch is an animal akin to a tortoise which has a thick skin as jard as a bone aka shell which acts as a cover for itself to protect from the predators. the photos of this animal can be seen in the net by simple search.> >

> > this animal is also served as a SEAFOOD item in various countries. bluntly put, the flesh of the animal is eaten or died and the remaining bone or hard shell is WORSHIPPED.> > > > when i was speaking the truth about rudraksha, critics told that ALL their rudraksha have natural holes and they were shocked or wondered to hear that one makes a hole in it. always they tried to find a fall guy in me.> > > > similarly, they may now again be shocked to hear that these conches are pierced, drilled and made a big hole to let the wind pass through so that it can be BLOWN. if these oversensitive sacred object dealers find this horrible like they find ONLY WITH ME in rudraksha earlier, they would be disappointed to hear that i dont deal in conches. anyway customers be happy that these manually DRILLED HOLED shankhs which are BLOWN like a trumpet by all hindu priests may not find any critic because i am not

dealing them. i would not wonder if these criics come and state publicly that ALL their shankh had natural hole.> > > > anyway, i have read and found that the ancient scriptures have enough references where a shankh is worshipped and how to blow a shankh and how the lord himself was carrying a shankh.> > > > critics may better change their habits of finding fault with others who make available sacred objects and work for the casue of giving more information about the sacred obejcts to the discerning customers and members and share more information than keeping close to chest even while demanding information from others. my advice to all sacred object dealers remains same alwyas that we all shall strive to make public aware of the sacred objects collectively, make these sacred objects available and highlight the significance of the sacred object and not the dealer. brother richard is one such sacred object dealer

who always find positive supplementation when other sacred object dealers contribute and that is the right approach to look at all other dealers.> > > > with best wishes and blessings> > pandit arjun> > www.rudraksharemedy .com> > > > sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw Brown" <rsbj66@> wrote:> > >> > > Is Lakshmi Shank an animal or a vegetable???> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger. ..com/ invite/> >> > >

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April 21, 2009

I will still suggest burn test to all my friends.....Cause whatever is discussed here leads us to two things about origin of Hatha Jodi.......One of animal originOther of plant origin...We can cut small piece of hatha jodi and burn that.....Smell will tell u the origin of hatha jodi....Richard sab am i right???--- On Tue, 21/4/09, kishore kishore <mydearindian wrote:kishore kishore <mydearindianRe: Re: To Mr.Phadke - Is Hatha Jodi from (.com) & (shaligram.com) FAsacred-objects Date: Tuesday, 21 April, 2009, 12:05 AM

Hello Krish, I appreciate your question because you are enquiring just like the way I enquired long back about Hatha Jodi. However, I did not enquire here in this group or any other group. I had chosen my own way. I want to share my experience here and tell some words about me. My name is Kishore.. I am from Hyderabad . I bought Hatha Jodi from ( Shaligramshila). I have been chanting Chamundeswari Devi mantra 108 times and offering flowers to it. I have been seeing good results in these 2 months. Do not think negatively about me. I am not a sales executive of Shaligram but I am a customer of Shaligram. I just paid amount through my credit card to them with â€œWith Trust and knowledgeâ€. Through Hatha Jodi I got a chance to chant the Mantra of my sweet Mother â€œChamundeswariâ€. It is all Mother Chamundeswari wishes. I think she planned in this way and wanted me to be near to her. I am an HR Manager and Industrial Psychologist. I never simply believe any thing. It took 2 Months for me to buy this product from Shaligram. Even Rajiv ji do not know how much i enquired about him/his company. I am an outstanding googler. I know all search techniques on Google/Net very well. I really do not know who is Rajiv or Shaligram. I even did not join this group 2 months back. I am in problems. I was alone and finding a root to come out. I was just browsing on net for Horoscopes and mantras. Accidentally I read about Hatha Jodi. I searched deeply about that product on net and also asked many people. I am not suggesting you to buy blindly from Shaligram or any other company. My advice is â€œTrust with Knowledge" but do not Trust anything â€œWithout Knowledge". So, kindly search about the company from whom you want to buy it. It may be Shaligram or any other company. Ask people like this and "listen to your Heart".. If your heart says yes then go for it and just buy it.

"Trust" is very important in these issues. Though you get a real one, if somebody tells that it is a fake, then what happens? You will doubt yourself. So, till you feel confident do not buy it. Nobody will return your money after you buy it.

I believe nature has the power to heal not only our health problems but also they help us to remove our life mental/financial problems also. God has given many gifts so that we can reach God/see God/Trust God. There are many ways to get Trust on God. In fact there are many good ways to come out from problems. However, remember these Hatha Jodi/Siyar Singhi etc are also some of the ways to build trust on God.

Go with your own Intuition. Good luck.

Thanks,

M.Kishore

Hyderabad Cell: 9290749818