Guest guest Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 It is possible to blame Saturn for the present credit crunch but when considering the indication of the Outer planets we will see the end of this present situation in 2020. All this is the arrangement of Krishna. The world in Kali Yuga has seen different changes; The Copernican, Newton, Curie, Einstein, etc. But now we see the end of the Maya calendar (22 January 2013) mixed with the effect of the Precession entering 5 vargas on 10 December 2009 (this only happens 3 times in 2160 years), and the effect of Pluto and Uranus-Neptune jamming Capricorn, the 10th sign of the zodiac. This jamming is technically known in jyotish as a kartari yoga, or a pair of scisors, when planets are on both sides of a sign. Extending this definition to the Outers we see their effect in a longer term. Conservative thinking eliminates the Outers, but science is about observation and experiment and as scientists we cannot deny the Outers. On 28 December there was a conjunction between Mars and Pluto, both indicating wars (Mars), and transformation, resurrection (Pluto). The day before to this conjunction Israel attacked Palestine. We should not vreject the Outers out of conservatism or Puritanism, but observe them. Pluto is Yamaraj, the superintendent of Death, Neptune (Varuna) is lord of the Oceans, and Uranus (Indra) is the chief of the gods. Capricorn or the 10th house is the karma in general and the economic development (karma and artha). This is how and why professions and financial situation has been affected by the Outers. Ever since Copernicus, humanity embraced a mechanistic point of view, a dristhi. Evolving that tendency by the 1930’s the tendencies were towards a consumerism without control, fueled by the aim of a few of making money by the millions. Now, with this recession Krishna is taking away those riches and making people to think of the futility of materialism. From this December, the Precession will start to awake the conscience towards higher levels of understanding, according to previous disciplines, service and devotion. At the same time, the end of the 5th sun among the Maya will end this present society as we know it. Some men in charge think that they can manipulate this recession, forgetting that they are only instruments of the gunas, empowered by Durga devi. Those men wish to take control after this recession is over and continue their line of exploitation, but Krishna has other plans, and people will have plenty time to think and demand a better direction and stronger bases of knowledge. The world is not only suffering from a financial crisis, but a crisis in every department of knowledge. Cosmology, the queen of sciences is in crisis, and fast crumbling once people start to question its basis. Gordon Brown said yesterday that a big bank in England fell because its model was wrong. Yes, that is a good mantra, everything is destined to fall without having a good model, including present politics. By the beginning of the sixth sun people will start to demand a different direction, and thus a new set of leaders will appear to replace the “old†school. The present economic model is wrong and cannot continue, otherwise we will see another set of crisis like this one and the 30’s in the future. I am not economist but I would suggest to change the present model. The “solution†for the crisis of 1929, was the armamentism in 1933 and the war in 1939. A similar solution is in the minds of ill people. Little by little politicians are warning people that this crisis is bad, but the full extent of it will be seen by this summer, when the banks have to declare the lost of more than $600 trillion. Since when crooks have been rewarded like politicians are doing with banks? They lost billions and they have been rewarded money, which are spending in bonuses and other superfluous things. Recently a banker said that bonuses are justified because after all he has worked hard and he only gets £90,000 a year (not considering those bankers that earn £20 or £40 million a year. However, this recession, depression, suppression is a benediction in disguise as we will see soon. The highest solution is the connection to the Lord. Best wishes Natabara das Get your preferred Email name! Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 An excellent lesson on Divine Economics!!!!! Why doesn't Natabara write a book & become as revered as Dornbusch & Fischer. I guess it is the sign of times..... when everyone feels he is an expert in Economics, if this gentleman is so good !!!!!, he could have predicted this much earlier & saved some honest souls for ruination. This chappie is no Kautilya...... Imagine telling a person who has lost millions in stock market, It is all due to the Lord's will & not his own personal greed. Does it make any difference!!!!! Does this imply that Lord was responsible for his greed!!!!! Let me illustrate an example of a gem dealer friend???, an year ago i envisaged an interest in purchasing a 11 carat exceptional Namibian Mandarin Garnet for which his quote was 12 grand. A month ago he mailed me (much to my surprise) that i can have the same gem for 5.4k. On my pressing a bit further he came at 4.5k. I didn't bite the bait, but realised that this fellow was a wolf in sheep's clothing. I don't get it why hold the lord responsible for his conduct or even mine!!!!. The Lord is the source of all that is auspicious. What was the fault of the family in this.... http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/3568703.cms. Would we hold the Lord responsible or perhaps this is his way of driving home Natabara's point.... & individuals should 'Think', before becoming couriers for such nonsense...... Regards --- On Fri, 13/2/09, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote: Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 CREDIT CRUNCH MUSINGS"Planetary Group Group" <planetary-gemology >, "Sacred Group Group" <sacred-objects >Friday, 13 February, 2009, 9:48 PM It is possible to blame Saturn for the present credit crunch but when considering the indication of the Outer planets we will see the end of this present situation in 2020. All this is the arrangement of Krishna. The world in Kali Yuga has seen different changes; The Copernican, Newton, Curie, Einstein, etc. But now we see the end of the Maya calendar (22 January 2013) mixed with the effect of the Precession entering 5 vargas on 10 December 2009 (this only happens 3 times in 2160 years), and the effect of Pluto and Uranus-Neptune jamming Capricorn, the 10th sign of the zodiac. This jamming is technically known in jyotish as a kartari yoga, or a pair of scisors, when planets are on both sides of a sign. Extending this definition to the Outers we see their effect in a longer term. Conservative thinking eliminates the Outers, but science is about observation and experiment and as scientists we cannot deny the Outers. On 28 December there was a conjunction between Mars and Pluto, both indicating wars (Mars), and transformation, resurrection (Pluto). The day before to this conjunction Israel attacked Palestine. We should not vreject the Outers out of conservatism or Puritanism, but observe them. Pluto is Yamaraj, the superintendent of Death, Neptune (Varuna) is lord of the Oceans, and Uranus (Indra) is the chief of the gods. Capricorn or the 10th house is the karma in general and the economic development (karma and artha). This is how and why professions and financial situation has been affected by the Outers. Ever since Copernicus, humanity embraced a mechanistic point of view, a dristhi. Evolving that tendency by the 1930’s the tendencies were towards a consumerism without control, fueled by the aim of a few of making money by the millions. Now, with this recession Krishna is taking away those riches and making people to think of the futility of materialism. From this December, the Precession will start to awake the conscience towards higher levels of understanding, according to previous disciplines, service and devotion. At the same time, the end of the 5th sun among the Maya will end this present society as we know it. Some men in charge think that they can manipulate this recession, forgetting that they are only instruments of the gunas, empowered by Durga devi. Those men wish to take control after this recession is over and continue their line of exploitation, but Krishna has other plans, and people will have plenty time to think and demand a better direction and stronger bases of knowledge. The world is not only suffering from a financial crisis, but a crisis in every department of knowledge. Cosmology, the queen of sciences is in crisis, and fast crumbling once people start to question its basis. Gordon Brown said yesterday that a big bank in England fell because its model was wrong. Yes, that is a good mantra, everything is destined to fall without having a good model, including present politics. By the beginning of the sixth sun people will start to demand a different direction, and thus a new set of leaders will appear to replace the “old†school. The present economic model is wrong and cannot continue, otherwise we will see another set of crisis like this one and the 30’s in the future. I am not economist but I would suggest to change the present model. The “solution†for the crisis of 1929, was the armamentism in 1933 and the war in 1939. A similar solution is in the minds of ill people. Little by little politicians are warning people that this crisis is bad, but the full extent of it will be seen by this summer, when the banks have to declare the lost of more than $600 trillion. Since when crooks have been rewarded like politicians are doing with banks? They lost billions and they have been rewarded money, which are spending in bonuses and other superfluous things. Recently a banker said that bonuses are justified because after all he has worked hard and he only gets £90,000 a year (not considering those bankers that earn £20 or £40 million a year. However, this recession, depression, suppression is a benediction in disguise as we will see soon. The highest solution is the connection to the Lord. Best wishes Natabara das Get your preferred Email name! Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com. Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 REALLY!!! Is there ever a " fortune teller " with a fortune? Y/s, R- sacred-objects , Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu wrote: > > An excellent lesson on Divine Economics!!!!! Why doesn't Natabara write  a book & become as revered as Dornbusch & Fischer. I guess it is the sign of times..... when everyone feels he is an expert in Economics, if this gentleman is so good !!!!!, he could have predicted this much earlier & saved some honest souls for ruination. This chappie is no Kautilya...... >  > Imagine telling a person who has lost millions in stock market, It is all due to the Lord's will & not his own personal greed. Does it make any difference!!!!! Does this imply that Lord was responsible for his greed!!!!! >  > Let me illustrate an example of a gem dealer friend???, an year ago i envisaged an interest in purchasing a 11 carat exceptional Namibian Mandarin Garnet for which his quote was 12 grand. A month ago he mailed me (much to my surprise) that i can have the same gem for 5.4k. On my pressing a bit further he came at 4.5k. I didn't bite the bait, but realised that this fellow was a wolf in sheep's clothing. >  > I don't get it why hold the lord responsible for his conduct or even mine!!!!. The Lord is the source of all that is auspicious. What was the fault of the family in this.... http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/3568703.cms. Would we hold the Lord responsible or perhaps this is his way of driving home Natabara's point.... >  > & individuals should 'Think', before becoming couriers for such nonsense...... >  > Regards >  >  > > > --- On Fri, 13/2/09, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote: > > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 > CREDIT CRUNCH MUSINGS > " Planetary Group Group " <planetary-gemology >, " Sacred Group Group " <sacred-objects > > Friday, 13 February, 2009, 9:48 PM > > > > It is possible to blame Saturn for the present credit crunch but when considering the indication of the Outer planets we will see the end of this present situation in 2020. All this is the arrangement of Krishna. The world in Kali Yuga has seen different changes; The Copernican, Newton, Curie, Einstein, etc. But now we see the end of the Maya calendar (22 January 2013) mixed with the effect of the Precession entering 5 vargas on 10 December 2009 (this only happens 3 times in 2160 years), and the effect of Pluto and Uranus-Neptune jamming Capricorn, the 10th sign of the zodiac. This jamming is technically known in jyotish as a kartari yoga, or a pair of scisors, when planets are on both sides of a sign. Extending this definition to the Outers we see their effect in a longer term. Conservative thinking eliminates the Outers, but science is about observation and experiment and as scientists we cannot deny the Outers. On 28 December there was a > conjunction between Mars and Pluto, both indicating wars (Mars), and transformation, resurrection (Pluto). The day before to this conjunction Israel attacked Palestine. We should not vreject the Outers out of conservatism or Puritanism, but observe them. Pluto is Yamaraj, the superintendent of Death, Neptune (Varuna) is lord of the Oceans, and Uranus (Indra) is the chief of the gods. >  > Capricorn or the 10th house is the karma in general and the economic development (karma and artha). This is how and why professions and financial situation has been affected by the Outers. >  > Ever since Copernicus, humanity embraced a mechanistic point of view, a dristhi. Evolving that tendency by the 1930’s the tendencies were towards a consumerism without control, fueled by the aim of a few of making money by the millions. Now, with this recession Krishna is taking away those riches and making people to think of the futility of materialism. From this December, the Precession will start to awake the conscience towards higher levels of understanding, according to previous disciplines, service and devotion. At the same time, the end of the 5th sun among the Maya will end this present society as we know it. Some men in charge think that they can manipulate this recession, forgetting that they are only instruments of the gunas, empowered by Durga devi. Those men wish to take control after this recession is over and continue their line of exploitation, but Krishna has other plans, and people will have plenty time to think and demand > a better direction and stronger bases of knowledge. The world is not only suffering from a financial crisis, but a crisis in every department of knowledge. Cosmology, the queen of sciences is in crisis, and fast crumbling once people start to question its basis. Gordon Brown said yesterday that a big bank in England fell because its model was wrong. Yes, that is a good mantra, everything is destined to fall without having a good model, including present politics. >  > By the beginning of the sixth sun people will start to demand a different direction, and thus a new set of leaders will appear to replace the “old†school. >  > The present economic model is wrong and cannot continue, otherwise we will see another set of crisis like this one and the 30’s in the future. I am not economist but I would suggest to change the present model. The “solution†for the crisis of 1929, was the armamentism in 1933 and the war in 1939. A similar solution is in the minds of ill people. Little by little politicians are warning people that this crisis is bad, but the full extent of it will be seen by this summer, when the banks have to declare the lost of more than $600 trillion. >  > Since when crooks have been rewarded like politicians are doing with banks? They lost billions and they have been rewarded money, which are spending in bonuses and other superfluous things. Recently a banker said that bonuses are justified because after all he has worked hard and he only gets £90,000 a year (not considering those bankers that earn £20 or £40 million a year. >  > However, this recession, depression, suppression is a benediction in disguise as we will see soon. The highest solution is the connection to the Lord. >  > Best wishes >  > Natabara das > > > Get your preferred Email name! > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com. > > > > > > > > > > Connect with friends all over the world. 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Guest guest Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 dear richardji you are right in your observation that fortune tellers are those in such professions like astrologers, priests and other holy noble professionals who often find living in low or middle class standards. however, there are very rare examples like the fortuneteller who got billions of dollars left by will by the richest person in asia. there is a priest even now doing worships at tiruamala temple called (dollar) seshadri who amassed billions while majority of the priests in other temples barely survive. having said the above only to mention that even such rare people do exist, a person who chose a noble profession such as a professor at an institute remains the professor forever whereas his students go on becoming billionnaires. a good jupiter mostly makes the native useful for others than himself. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66 wrote: > > REALLY!!! Is there ever a " fortune teller " with a fortune? Y/s, R- > > sacred-objects , Abhishek Dutta > <benarsibabu@> wrote: > > > > An excellent lesson on Divine Economics!!!!! Why doesn't Natabara > write  a book & become as revered as Dornbusch & Fischer. I guess it > is the sign of times..... when everyone feels he is an expert in > Economics, if this gentleman is so good !!!!!, he could have predicted > this much earlier & saved some honest souls for ruination. This > chappie is no Kautilya...... > >  > > Imagine telling a person who has lost millions in stock market, It > is all due to the Lord's will & not his own personal greed. Does it > make any difference!!!!! Does this imply that Lord was responsible for > his greed!!!!! > >  > > Let me illustrate an example of a gem dealer friend???, an year > ago i envisaged an interest in purchasing a 11 carat exceptional > Namibian Mandarin Garnet for which his quote was 12 grand. A month > ago he mailed me (much to my surprise) that i can have the same gem > for 5.4k. On my pressing a bit further he came at 4.5k. I didn't bite > the bait, but realised that this fellow was a wolf in sheep's clothing. > >  > > I don't get it why hold the lord responsible for his conduct or even > mine!!!!. The Lord is the source of all that is auspicious. What was > the fault of the family in this.... > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/3568703.cms. Would we > hold the Lord responsible or perhaps this is his way of driving > home Natabara's point.... > >  > > & individuals should 'Think', before becoming couriers for such > nonsense...... > >  > > Regards > >  > >  > > > > > > --- On Fri, 13/2/09, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@> > > CREDIT CRUNCH MUSINGS > > " Planetary Group Group " <planetary-gemology >, > " Sacred Group Group " <sacred-objects > > > Friday, 13 February, 2009, 9:48 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is possible to blame Saturn for the present credit crunch but > when considering the indication of the Outer planets we will see the > end of this present situation in 2020. All this is the arrangement of > Krishna. The world in Kali Yuga has seen different changes; The > Copernican, Newton, Curie, Einstein, etc. But now we see the end of > the Maya calendar (22 January 2013) mixed with the effect of the > Precession entering 5 vargas on 10 December 2009 (this only happens 3 > times in 2160 years), and the effect of Pluto and Uranus-Neptune > jamming Capricorn, the 10th sign of the zodiac. This jamming is > technically known in jyotish as a kartari yoga, or a pair of scisors, > when planets are on both sides of a sign. Extending this definition > to the Outers we see their effect in a longer term. Conservative > thinking eliminates the Outers, but science is about observation and > experiment and as scientists we cannot deny the Outers. On 28 > December there was a > > conjunction between Mars and Pluto, both indicating wars (Mars), > and transformation, resurrection (Pluto). The day before to this > conjunction Israel attacked Palestine. We should not vreject the > Outers out of conservatism or Puritanism, but observe them. Pluto is > Yamaraj, the superintendent of Death, Neptune (Varuna) is lord of the > Oceans, and Uranus (Indra) is the chief of the gods. > >  > > Capricorn or the 10th house is the karma in general and the economic > development (karma and artha). This is how and why professions and > financial situation has been affected by the Outers. > >  > > Ever since Copernicus, humanity embraced a mechanistic point of > view, a dristhi. Evolving that tendency by the 1930’s the > tendencies were towards a consumerism without control, fueled by the > aim of a few of making money by the millions. Now, with this > recession Krishna is taking away those riches and making people to > think of the futility of materialism. From this December, the > Precession will start to awake the conscience towards higher levels of > understanding, according to previous disciplines, service and > devotion. At the same time, the end of the 5th sun among the Maya > will end this present society as we know it. Some men in charge > think that they can manipulate this recession, forgetting that they > are only instruments of the gunas, empowered by Durga devi. Those > men wish to take control after this recession is over and continue > their line of exploitation, but Krishna has other plans, and people > will have plenty time to think and demand > > a better direction and stronger bases of knowledge. The world is > not only suffering from a financial crisis, but a crisis in every > department of knowledge. Cosmology, the queen of sciences is in > crisis, and fast crumbling once people start to question its basis. > Gordon Brown said yesterday that a big bank in England fell because > its model was wrong. Yes, that is a good mantra, everything is > destined to fall without having a good model, including present politics. > >  > > By the beginning of the sixth sun people will start to demand a > different direction, and thus a new set of leaders will appear to > replace the “old†school. > >  > > The present economic model is wrong and cannot continue, otherwise > we will see another set of crisis like this one and the 30’s in the > future. I am not economist but I would suggest to change the present > model. The “solution†for the crisis of 1929, was the > armamentism in 1933 and the war in 1939. A similar solution is in > the minds of ill people. Little by little politicians are warning > people that this crisis is bad, but the full extent of it will be seen > by this summer, when the banks have to declare the lost of more than > $600 trillion. > >  > > Since when crooks have been rewarded like politicians are doing with > banks? They lost billions and they have been rewarded money, which > are spending in bonuses and other superfluous things. Recently a > banker said that bonuses are justified because after all he has worked > hard and he only gets £90,000 a year (not considering those bankers > that earn £20 or £40 million a year. > >  > > However, this recession, depression, suppression is a benediction in > disguise as we will see soon. The highest solution is the connection > to the Lord. > >  > > Best wishes > >  > > Natabara das > > > > > > Get your preferred Email name! > > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Connect with friends all over the world. 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