Most effective herbal medicine: Vedic or Chinese ??

February 12, 2009

What is more effective: Vedic herbal medicine OR Chinese herbal

medicine? I guess only an expert in BOTH is qualified to answer this

question. Y/s, Richard

INFO ON BOTH

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Herbal_Medicine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayurveda

sacred-objects , Rahul Sharma

<toneyrahulsharma wrote:

>

> Hello Ole

>

> Thanks for your responce completely agree to you that, Not only

that Britisher destroyed the so call NALANDA UNIVERSITY which was the

only Vedic institution left.

>

> The sad part about all this is that still in Indian schools and

big institutions still we follow MAX MULLER theory that Vedic people

came from West???

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_M%C3%BCller

>

> For which he later contradicted but still FOOLS in India believe

that FAKE theory...

> PLEASE WATCH

>

> Scientific Verification of Vedic Knowledge in Hinduism

>

> Our Religion and culture is rich please respect and have

belive in it.

>

> God Bless

>

> RAHULSHARMA

>

> --- On Thu, 2/12/09, Ole Alstrup <alstrup wrote:

>

> Ole Alstrup <alstrup

> Re: Why Ayurveda? Why Vegetarian Food?

> sacred-objects

> Thursday, February 12, 2009, 4:00 AM

>

You should know that the British tried to kill Ayurveda in India and

they almost succeeded!

>

> In the 1600s, the British East India Company took control over the

subcontinent. By 1833, it had sufficient authority to ban all

ayurvedic colleges and opened the first Western-style medical

university. Ayurvedic medicine survived only in rural areas where

local doctors treated those who could not afford Western medicine.

> Only in 1920 did the discipline of ayurveda begin to regain its

former respect. When India established independence in 1947, ayurvedic

medical schools were once more officially accepted and allowed to open.

> Today, well over 100 ayurvedic colleges in India grant degrees after

a five-year program. More than 300,000 ayurvedic physicians belong to

the All-India Ayurveda Congress, making it the largest medical

organization in the world.

>

> RAHUL <toneyrahulsharma@ >

> sacred-objects

> Thursday, 12 February, 2009 8:26:08

> Why Ayurveda? Why Vegetarian Food?

>

> Why Ayurveda? Why Vegetarian Food?

>

> We have been having this discussion form last 4 days on this

> topic and based on that some of us agreed and some disagreed ….

>

> Why Ayurveda is failing

>

> As Richard Ji pointed out as Ayurveda is failing in modern days

> in comparison to modern day medicine that's the actual truth and I

> guess we all agree on that. But why? Because it was not designed for

> modern day lifestyle the way we eat and the time we wake up. In

> ancient days Rishis used to wake up before sun rise and do Yoga

> Sadhana, which already give a lot of boost to there body and mind.

> And then they meditated which not only give rest and peace to mind

> and soul but also spiritual upliftment.

>

> Blame it to Ayurveda is very easy way as we do for rest of

> other things. Ayurveda was designed by this Rishis to cure simple

> diseases one might encounter in that period of time. Surgery,

> Psychology… and many other modern day way of treatment are derived

> from Ayurveda don't forget that.

>

> Why Vegetarian Food?

>

> Again the food we eat, the time we eat and what we eat is very

> important as per Ayurveda. And based on Ayurveda food is divided

> into three major category

>

> 1. Rajasik

> 2. Tamasik

> 3. Saatvik

>

> It is believed that the food we eat, decides the quality of our

> minds and health of our bodies.This section highlights Saatvik

> cooking. Saatvik food consists of lightly cooked vegetables with

> minimum spices, fruits, nuts, honey, milk and milk products. Jain

> food is also very similar to saatvik cooking except that certain

> root foods like potatoes, ginger, onions, garlic are prohibited

> Satvik Diet is not another fad diet ,it's a way of life,it's

> ayurvedic diet.According to Ayurveda,it has been described as food

> that is vegetarian,simple, mildly spiced and easily digestible.Cooked

> in minimal oil and heat and is eaten fresh.Food that encourages

> peaceful energy within the person is known as Saatvik Diet.

>

> Everyone can balance their life by eating Saatvik food atleast twice

> a week and it's not hard to incorporate Saatvik food in your

> diet.Having Saatvik Food for a week ( even leaving garlic and onions)

> will give you peaceful energy and it will calm you down.Add to it an

> hour of walk in the greens and you will discover a new you.

>

> We are the one who should be blamed not Ayurveda, in ancient time

> diseases where also cured by Raaga (music) the best example is

> Taansen.

>

> http://joomla. esotericteaching .org/joomla/ goodies/askbaba/ spiritual-

> lifestyle/630- why-do-you- eat-a-vegetarian -diet

>

> http://www.dayafter india.com/ apr108/food. html

>

> Hope this helps

>

> God Bless

>

February 12, 2009

Hi Ole,

I really don't believe Ayurveda is useless. But my experiences with it

have not been helpful. Other people swear by it. But the same is true

of (which is as complicated and extensive).

sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup wrote:

>

> Richard,

> I dont understand, why do you want to know that if you already have

the opinion that Ayurveda is useless?

> Ys, Ole

>

> ________________________________

> Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66

> sacred-objects

> Thursday, 12 February, 2009 19:39:26

> Most effective herbal medicine: Vedic or

Chinese ??

>

> What is more effective: Vedic herbal medicine OR Chinese herbal

> medicine? I guess only an expert in BOTH is qualified to answer this

> question. Y/s, Richard

>

> INFO ON BOTH

> http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Chinese_Herbal_ Medicine

> http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Ayurveda

>

> sacred-objects, Rahul Sharma

> <toneyrahulsharma@ ....> wrote:

> >

> > Hello Ole

> >

> > Thanks for your responce completely agree to you that, Not only

> that Britisher destroyed the so call NALANDA UNIVERSITY which was the

> only Vedic institution left.

> >

> > The sad part about all this is that still in Indian schools and

> big institutions still we follow MAX MULLER theory that Vedic people

> came from West???

> >

> > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Max_M%C3% BCller

> >

> > For which he later contradicted but still FOOLS in India believe

> that FAKE theory...

> > PLEASE WATCH

> >

> > Scientific Verification of Vedic Knowledge in Hinduism

> >

> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=rY4Q2xx7BTc

> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=G2vhCPBjqcA

> > http://www.youtube.. com/watch? v=FMlisMg4VPo

> >

> > Our Religion and culture is rich please respect and have

> belive in it.

> >

> > God Bless

> >

> > RAHULSHARMA

> >

> > --- On Thu, 2/12/09, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ > wrote:

> >

> > Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ >

> > Re: Why Ayurveda? Why Vegetarian Food?

> > sacred-objects

> > Thursday, February 12, 2009, 4:00 AM

> >

> > You should know that the British tried to kill Ayurveda in India and

> they almost succeeded!

> >

> > In the 1600s, the British East India Company took control over the

> subcontinent. By 1833, it had sufficient authority to ban all

> ayurvedic colleges and opened the first Western-style medical

> university. Ayurvedic medicine survived only in rural areas where

> local doctors treated those who could not afford Western medicine.

> > Only in 1920 did the discipline of ayurveda begin to regain its

> former respect. When India established independence in 1947, ayurvedic

> medical schools were once more officially accepted and allowed to open.

> > Today, well over 100 ayurvedic colleges in India grant degrees after

> a five-year program. More than 300,000 ayurvedic physicians belong to

> the All-India Ayurveda Congress, making it the largest medical

> organization in the world.

> >

> > RAHUL <toneyrahulsharma@ >

> > sacred-objects

> > Thursday, 12 February, 2009 8:26:08

> > Why Ayurveda? Why Vegetarian Food?

> >

> > Why Ayurveda? Why Vegetarian Food?

> >

> > We have been having this discussion form last 4 days on this

> > topic and based on that some of us agreed and some disagreed â€¦.

> >

> > Why Ayurveda is failing

> >

> > As Richard Ji pointed out as Ayurveda is failing in modern days

> > in comparison to modern day medicine that's the actual truth and I

> > guess we all agree on that. But why? Because it was not designed for

> > modern day lifestyle the way we eat and the time we wake up. In

> > ancient days Rishis used to wake up before sun rise and do Yoga

> > Sadhana, which already give a lot of boost to there body and mind.

> > And then they meditated which not only give rest and peace to mind

> > and soul but also spiritual upliftment.

> >

> > Blame it to Ayurveda is very easy way as we do for rest of

> > other things. Ayurveda was designed by this Rishis to cure simple

> > diseases one might encounter in that period of time. Surgery,

> > Psychologyâ€¦ and many other modern day way of treatment are derived

> > from Ayurveda don't forget that.

> >

> > Why Vegetarian Food?

> >

> > Again the food we eat, the time we eat and what we eat is very

> > important as per Ayurveda. And based on Ayurveda food is divided

> > into three major category

> >

> > 1. Rajasik

> > 2. Tamasik

> > 3. Saatvik

> >

> > It is believed that the food we eat, decides the quality of our

> > minds and health of our bodies.This section highlights Saatvik

> > cooking. Saatvik food consists of lightly cooked vegetables with

> > minimum spices, fruits, nuts, honey, milk and milk products. Jain

> > food is also very similar to saatvik cooking except that certain

> > root foods like potatoes, ginger, onions, garlic are prohibited

> > Satvik Diet is not another fad diet ,it's a way of life,it's

> > ayurvedic diet.According to Ayurveda,it has been described as food

> > that is vegetarian,simple, mildly spiced and easily digestible.Cooked

> > in minimal oil and heat and is eaten fresh.Food that encourages

> > peaceful energy within the person is known as Saatvik Diet.

> >

> > Everyone can balance their life by eating Saatvik food atleast twice

> > a week and it's not hard to incorporate Saatvik food in your

> > diet.Having Saatvik Food for a week ( even leaving garlic and onions)

> > will give you peaceful energy and it will calm you down.Add to it an

> > hour of walk in the greens and you will discover a new you.

> >

> > We are the one who should be blamed not Ayurveda, in ancient time

> > diseases where also cured by Raaga (music) the best example is

> > Taansen.

> >

> > http://joomla. esotericteaching .org/joomla/ goodies/askbaba/

spiritual-

> > lifestyle/630- why-do-you- eat-a-vegetarian -diet

> >

> > http://www.dayafter india.com/ apr108/food. html

> >

> > Hope this helps

> >

> > God Bless

> >

>

February 13, 2009

Respected Shri. Richard ji and Ole,

Ayurveda is not useless. However, it has limitations as under:

Ayurveda is a slow process.

Wrong identification of plants : There are many examples where supplier who is not a expert in medicinal plants supplies wrong material. The classic example is of 'Ashokarishta' which is a poplar Ayurvedic formulation used in mensutation problems of women. The medicine is produced from the plant popularly known as 'Seeta's Ashok'. Botanical name of the plant is Saraca indica or Saraca ashoka from the family Leguminosae. However, there is one more plant having similar vernacular name 'Ashoka' in few Indian languages. This plant is commonly available and is planted as avenue tree. This species is Polyalthia longifolia (variety pendulata) of the Family Annonaceae. Since Saraca ashoka is a rare plant, it is a regular practice of traders is to supply bark of Polyalthia pendulata as 'Ashoka' bark. This certainly affects quality of

medicine.

The other example is of 'Chirata Plant'. The actual chirata plant is of the species Swertia chirata and is available in Himalayan zones and mainly from Nepal. This plant is a wonderful medicine in many medicinal preparations. However, the plant is rare in India and therefore commonly available species Andrographis paniculata is regularly supplied under the name 'Chirata' by traders. Andrographis paniculata is also a medicinal plant having a strong bitter taste like Chirata, however medicinal properties of both the plants differ.

Different ecotypes show variaion in contents of active principle of medicinal plants. I would like to mention two examples. The medicinal plant Withania somnifera (popularly known as Ashwagandha) is well known for its properties. Withania somnifera ecotype from Rajasthan area has excellent contents of Withaniferin, Withanaloids. However, ecotype from Maharashtra has very low contents. The other example is of Commiphora weightii (Guggul plant). Again, ecotype from Rajasthan has excellent contents of Guggulosterones than other ecotypes. The third example is of Rauwolfia serpentena (Serpina plant), this plant is commonly used to extract drug Ajmalacine for high blood pressure. Ecotypes of this plant from Western ghats of Maharashtra show better contents of active principle than other ecotypes. Personally I am of the opinion that microelements and

other ecological and biological factors may be contributing in medicinal properties.

In classic texts of Ayurveda it is mentioned that perticular time (Prahar) for collection of medicinal plants is most important. Few of the plants are required to be collected in the early morning before Sunrise. It is also mentiioned that few of the plants are to be collected on certain 'Thithis' of Krishna Paksha or Shuddha Paksha of a month. It is also mentioned in Ayurveda to pray the plant before collecting the plant material.

Unfortunately, most of the traders do not adopt these practices. Due to adultrated material in the market few of the reputed companies have established their own farms for the regular supply of medicinal plant material. However, supply of such authentic material is very low compared to its demand.

Personally I am of the opinion that Ayurveda is a good system of medication however has limitations. The above points have been discussed in many conferences on Ayurveda and medicinal plants. I had attended few as a part of my research career.

Homeopathy shows miracles and is much better than Ayurveda, I feel. It is true that allopathic medicines have side effects, however, ignoring allopathy is a suicidal approach.

Thanking you and with regards,

Chandrashekhar Phadke

The other most important problem with Ayurveda is adultration in medicinal plants used in Ayurvedic medicines. Most of the Ayurvedic preparations are made either from bark of the plant or from roots. Traders and suppliers in India mix lot of junk in such dried roots and bark since it is difficult to identify roots and bark.

--- On Fri, 13/2/09, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote:

Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 Re: Most effective herbal medicine: Vedic or Chinese ??sacred-objects Date: Friday, 13 February, 2009, 12:59 AM

Hi Ole,I really don't believe Ayurveda is useless. But my experiences with ithave not been helpful. Other people swear by it. But the same is trueof (which is as complicated and extensive).sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup > wrote:>> Richard,> I dont understand, why do you want to know that if you already havethe opinion that Ayurveda is useless?> Ys, Ole> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66> sacred-objects> Thursday, 12 February, 2009 19:39:26> Most effective herbal medicine: Vedic orChinese ??>

> > What is more effective: Vedic herbal medicine OR Chinese herbal> medicine? I guess only an expert in BOTH is qualified to answer this> question. Y/s, Richard> > INFO ON BOTH> http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Chinese_Herbal_ Medicine> http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Ayurveda> > sacred-objects, Rahul Sharma> <toneyrahulsharma@ ....> wrote:> >> > Hello Ole> > > > Thanks for your responce completely agree to you that, Not only> that Britisher destroyed the so call NALANDA UNIVERSITY which was the> only Vedic institution left.> > > > The sad part about all this is that still in Indian schools and> big institutions still we follow MAX MULLER theory

that Vedic people> came from West???> > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Max_M%C3% BCller> > > > For which he later contradicted but still FOOLS in India believe> that FAKE theory...> > PLEASE WATCH> > > > Scientific Verification of Vedic Knowledge in Hinduism> > > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=rY4Q2xx7BTc> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=G2vhCPBjqcA> > http://www.youtube. . com/watch? v=FMlisMg4VPo> > > > Our Religion and culture is rich please respect and have> belive in it.> > > > God Bless> > > > >

> RAHULSHARMA> > > > --- On Thu, 2/12/09, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ > wrote:> > > > Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ >> > Re: Why Ayurveda? Why Vegetarian Food?> > sacred-objects> > Thursday, February 12, 2009, 4:00 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You should know that the British tried to kill Ayurveda in India and> they almost succeeded!> > > > In the 1600s, the British East India Company took control over the> subcontinent. By 1833, it had sufficient authority to ban all> ayurvedic colleges and opened the first Western-style medical> university. Ayurvedic medicine survived only in rural areas where> local doctors treated those who could not afford Western medicine. > > Only in

1920 did the discipline of ayurveda begin to regain its> former respect. When India established independence in 1947, ayurvedic> medical schools were once more officially accepted and allowed to open. > > Today, well over 100 ayurvedic colleges in India grant degrees after> a five-year program. More than 300,000 ayurvedic physicians belong to> the All-India Ayurveda Congress, making it the largest medical> organization in the world.> > > > > > > > > > RAHUL <toneyrahulsharma@ >> > sacred-objects> > Thursday, 12 February, 2009 8:26:08> > Why Ayurveda? Why Vegetarian Food?> > > > > > > > Why Ayurveda? Why Vegetarian Food?> > > > We have been having this discussion form last 4 days on this >

> topic and based on that some of us agreed and some disagreed Ã¢â‚¬Â¦.> > > > Why Ayurveda is failing > > > > As Richard Ji pointed out as Ayurveda is failing in modern days > > in comparison to modern day medicine that's the actual truth and I > > guess we all agree on that. But why? Because it was not designed for > > modern day lifestyle the way we eat and the time we wake up. In > > ancient days Rishis used to wake up before sun rise and do Yoga > > Sadhana, which already give a lot of boost to there body and mind. > > And then they meditated which not only give rest and peace to mind > > and soul but also spiritual upliftment. > > > > Blame it to Ayurveda is very easy way as we do for rest of > > other things. Ayurveda was designed by this Rishis to cure simple > > diseases one might encounter in

that period of time. Surgery, > > PsychologyÃ¢â‚¬Â¦ and many other modern day way of treatment are derived > > from Ayurveda don't forget that. > > > > Why Vegetarian Food?> > > > Again the food we eat, the time we eat and what we eat is very > > important as per Ayurveda. And based on Ayurveda food is divided > > into three major category > > > > 1. Rajasik> > 2. Tamasik> > 3. Saatvik> > > > It is believed that the food we eat, decides the quality of our > > minds and health of our bodies.This section highlights Saatvik > > cooking. Saatvik food consists of lightly cooked vegetables with > > minimum spices, fruits, nuts, honey, milk and milk products. Jain > > food is also very similar to saatvik cooking except that certain > > root foods like potatoes, ginger,

onions, garlic are prohibited > > Satvik Diet is not another fad diet ,it's a way of life,it's > > ayurvedic diet.According to Ayurveda,it has been described as food > > that is vegetarian,simple, mildly spiced and easily digestible.Cooked > > in minimal oil and heat and is eaten fresh.Food that encourages > > peaceful energy within the person is known as Saatvik Diet.> > > > Everyone can balance their life by eating Saatvik food atleast twice > > a week and it's not hard to incorporate Saatvik food in your > > diet.Having Saatvik Food for a week ( even leaving garlic and onions)> > will give you peaceful energy and it will calm you down.Add to it an > > hour of walk in the greens and you will discover a new you.> > > > We are the one who should be blamed not Ayurveda, in ancient time > > diseases where also cured

by Raaga (music) the best example is > > Taansen. > > > > http://joomla. esotericteaching .org/joomla/ goodies/askbaba/spiritual-> > lifestyle/630- why-do-you- eat-a-vegetarian -diet> > > > http://www.dayafter india.com/ apr108/food. html> > > > Hope this helps> > > > God Bless> >>

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February 13, 2009

> So which ayurvedic doctorsÂ did you consult while being sick in

India? Did they have any reputation? Did you follow their advice to

the letter?---SHOULD I HAVE MY LAWYER PRESENT TO ANSWER THIS NAZI

INQUISITION?

Ayurveda is not simply about taking some medicine like in the

allopathic system, you have to follow a particular diet, routinesÂ etc

according to the disease, for the herbal medicines to be effective.

For many chronic diseases it is necessary to take pancha karma

therapy.---OLE, I KNOW THIS. GIVE ME A BREAK (I'M NOT A BEGINNER).

---BOTTOM LINE, AS YOU HAVE POINTED OUT, IS " DISEASE = PAIN " - AND FOR

PAIN AYURVEDA AND CHINESE MEDICINE ARE USELESS (IN MY OPINION).

---NOW TAKE IT EASY! I STARTED WITH HINDUISM IN 1967 AND GAINED A LOT

OF FIRST-HAND EXPERIENCE IN 42 YEARS OF STUDY. HOW OLD WERE YOU IN

1967 ???

Y/S,

RICHARD

> Ys, Ole

>

> --- On Thu, 12/2/09, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote:

>

> Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66

> Re: Most effective herbal medicine: Vedic

or Chinese ??

> sacred-objects

> Thursday, 12 February, 2009, 8:29 PM

Hi Ole,

>

> I really don't believe Ayurveda is useless. But my experiences with it

> have not been helpful. Other people swear by it. But the same is true

> of (which is as complicated and extensive).

>

> sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ > wrote:

> >

> > Richard,

> > I dont understand, why do you want to know that if you already have

> the opinion that Ayurveda is useless?

> > Ys, Ole

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@>

> > sacred-objects

> > Thursday, 12 February, 2009 19:39:26

> > Most effective herbal medicine: Vedic or

> Chinese ??

> >

> > What is more effective: Vedic herbal medicine OR Chinese herbal

> > medicine? I guess only an expert in BOTH is qualified to answer this

> > question. Y/s, Richard

> >

> > INFO ON BOTH

> > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Chinese_Herbal_ Medicine

> > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Ayurveda

> >

> > sacred-objects, Rahul Sharma

> > <toneyrahulsharma@ ....> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello Ole

> > >

> > > Thanks for your responce completely agree to you that, Not only

> > that Britisher destroyed the so call NALANDA UNIVERSITY which was the

> > only Vedic institution left.

> > >

> > > The sad part about all this is that still in Indian schools and

> > big institutions still we follow MAX MULLER theory that Vedic people

> > came from West???

> > >

> > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Max_M%C3% BCller

> > >

> > > For which he later contradicted but still FOOLS in India believe

> > that FAKE theory...

> > > PLEASE WATCH

> > >

> > > Scientific Verification of Vedic Knowledge in Hinduism

> > >

> > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=rY4Q2xx7BTc

> > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=G2vhCPBjqcA

> > > http://www.youtube. . com/watch? v=FMlisMg4VPo

> > >

> > > Our Religion and culture is rich please respect and have

> > belive in it.

> > >

> > > God Bless

> > >

> > > RAHULSHARMA

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 2/12/09, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ >

> > > Re: Why Ayurveda? Why Vegetarian Food?

> > > sacred-objects

> > > Thursday, February 12, 2009, 4:00 AM

> > >

> > > You should know that the British tried to kill Ayurveda in India and

> > they almost succeeded!

> > >

> > > In the 1600s, the British East India Company took control over the

> > subcontinent. By 1833, it had sufficient authority to ban all

> > ayurvedic colleges and opened the first Western-style medical

> > university. Ayurvedic medicine survived only in rural areas where

> > local doctors treated those who could not afford Western medicine.

> > > Only in 1920 did the discipline of ayurveda begin to regain its

> > former respect. When India established independence in 1947, ayurvedic

> > medical schools were once more officially accepted and allowed to

open.

> > > Today, well over 100 ayurvedic colleges in India grant degrees after

> > a five-year program. More than 300,000 ayurvedic physicians belong to

> > the All-India Ayurveda Congress, making it the largest medical

> > organization in the world.

> > >

> > > RAHUL <toneyrahulsharma@ >

> > > sacred-objects

> > > Thursday, 12 February, 2009 8:26:08

> > > Why Ayurveda? Why Vegetarian Food?

> > >

> > > Why Ayurveda? Why Vegetarian Food?

> > >

> > > We have been having this discussion form last 4 days on this

> > > topic and based on that some of us agreed and some disagreed Ã¢â‚¬Â¦.

> > >

> > > Why Ayurveda is failing

> > >

> > > As Richard Ji pointed out as Ayurveda is failing in modern days

> > > in comparison to modern day medicine that's the actual truth and I

> > > guess we all agree on that. But why? Because it was not designed

for

> > > modern day lifestyle the way we eat and the time we wake up. In

> > > ancient days Rishis used to wake up before sun rise and do Yoga

> > > Sadhana, which already give a lot of boost to there body and mind.

> > > And then they meditated which not only give rest and peace to mind

> > > and soul but also spiritual upliftment.

> > >

> > > Blame it to Ayurveda is very easy way as we do for rest of

> > > other things. Ayurveda was designed by this Rishis to cure simple

> > > diseases one might encounter in that period of time. Surgery,

> > > PsychologyÃ¢â‚¬Â¦ and many other modern day way of treatment are

derived

> > > from Ayurveda don't forget that.

> > >

> > > Why Vegetarian Food?

> > >

> > > Again the food we eat, the time we eat and what we eat is very

> > > important as per Ayurveda. And based on Ayurveda food is divided

> > > into three major category

> > >

> > > 1. Rajasik

> > > 2. Tamasik

> > > 3. Saatvik

> > >

> > > It is believed that the food we eat, decides the quality of our

> > > minds and health of our bodies.This section highlights Saatvik

> > > cooking. Saatvik food consists of lightly cooked vegetables with

> > > minimum spices, fruits, nuts, honey, milk and milk products. Jain

> > > food is also very similar to saatvik cooking except that certain

> > > root foods like potatoes, ginger, onions, garlic are prohibited

> > > Satvik Diet is not another fad diet ,it's a way of life,it's

> > > ayurvedic diet.According to Ayurveda,it has been described as food

> > > that is vegetarian,simple, mildly spiced and easily

digestible.Cooked

> > > in minimal oil and heat and is eaten fresh.Food that encourages

> > > peaceful energy within the person is known as Saatvik Diet.

> > >

> > > Everyone can balance their life by eating Saatvik food atleast

twice

> > > a week and it's not hard to incorporate Saatvik food in your

> > > diet.Having Saatvik Food for a week ( even leaving garlic and

onions)

> > > will give you peaceful energy and it will calm you down.Add to

it an

> > > hour of walk in the greens and you will discover a new you.

> > >

> > > We are the one who should be blamed not Ayurveda, in ancient time

> > > diseases where also cured by Raaga (music) the best example is

> > > Taansen.

> > >

> > > http://joomla. esotericteaching .org/joomla/ goodies/askbaba/

> spiritual-

> > > lifestyle/630- why-do-you- eat-a-vegetarian -diet

> > >

> > > http://www.dayafter india.com/ apr108/food. html

> > >

> > > Hope this helps

> > >

> > > God Bless

> > >

> >

>

February 13, 2009

---OLE, HOW OLD ARE YOU? WHO IS YOUR GURU? HOW MUCH DIRECT EXPERIENCE

DO YOU HAVE IN INDIA? WHAT IS YOUR QUALIFICATION???

---If you answer wrong, then we'll send you the " Level-1 Beginners

Merit Badge " . - GRIN -

Y/s, Richard

sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup wrote:

>

> Well Richard, to tell you the truth, I was actually putting the

questions to you in the same approach as those questions you earlier

directed to myself. So I thought you appreciated this kind of

directness yourself.

>

> ________________________________

> Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66

> sacred-objects

> Friday, 13 February, 2009 16:35:34

> Re: Most effective herbal medicine: Vedic

or Chinese ??

>

> > So which ayurvedic doctorsÃ‚ did you consult while being sick in

> India? Did they have any reputation? Did you follow their advice to

> the letter?---SHOULD I HAVE MY LAWYER PRESENT TO ANSWER THIS NAZI

> INQUISITION?

>

> Ayurveda is not simply about taking some medicine like in the

> allopathic system, you have to follow a particular diet, routinesÃ‚ etc

> according to the disease, for the herbal medicines to be effective.

> For many chronic diseases it is necessary to take pancha karma

> therapy.---OLE, I KNOW THIS. GIVE ME A BREAK (I'M NOT A BEGINNER).

>

> ---BOTTOM LINE, AS YOU HAVE POINTED OUT, IS " DISEASE = PAIN " - AND FOR

> PAIN AYURVEDA AND CHINESE MEDICINE ARE USELESS (IN MY OPINION).

>

> ---NOW TAKE IT EASY! I STARTED WITH HINDUISM IN 1967 AND GAINED A LOT

> OF FIRST-HAND EXPERIENCE IN 42 YEARS OF STUDY. HOW OLD WERE YOU IN

> 1967 ???

>

> Y/S,

> RICHARD

>

> > Ys, Ole

> >

> > --- On Thu, 12/2/09, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@> wrote:

> >

> > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@>

> > Re: Most effective herbal medicine: Vedic

> or Chinese ??

> > sacred-objects

> > Thursday, 12 February, 2009, 8:29 PM

> >

> > Hi Ole,

> >

> > I really don't believe Ayurveda is useless. But my experiences with it

> > have not been helpful. Other people swear by it. But the same is true

> > of (which is as complicated and extensive).

> >

> > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ >

wrote:

> > >

> > > Richard,

> > > I dont understand, why do you want to know that if you already have

> > the opinion that Ayurveda is useless?

> > > Ys, Ole

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@>

> > > sacred-objects

> > > Thursday, 12 February, 2009 19:39:26

> > > Most effective herbal medicine: Vedic or

> > Chinese ??

> > >

> > > What is more effective: Vedic herbal medicine OR Chinese herbal

> > > medicine? I guess only an expert in BOTH is qualified to answer this

> > > question. Y/s, Richard

> > >

> > > INFO ON BOTH

> > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Chinese_Herbal_ Medicine

> > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Ayurveda

> > >

> > > sacred-objects, Rahul Sharma

> > > <toneyrahulsharma@ ....> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello Ole

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for your responce completely agree to you that, Not only

> > > that Britisher destroyed the so call NALANDA UNIVERSITY which

was the

> > > only Vedic institution left.

> > > >

> > > > The sad part about all this is that still in Indian schools and

> > > big institutions still we follow MAX MULLER theory that Vedic people

> > > came from West???

> > > >

> > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Max_M%C3% BCller

> > > >

> > > > For which he later contradicted but still FOOLS in India believe

> > > that FAKE theory...

> > > > PLEASE WATCH

> > > >

> > > > Scientific Verification of Vedic Knowledge in Hinduism

> > > >

> > > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=rY4Q2xx7BTc

> > > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=G2vhCPBjqcA

> > > > http://www.youtube. . com/watch? v=FMlisMg4VPo

> > > >

> > > > Our Religion and culture is rich please respect and have

> > > belive in it.

> > > >

> > > > God Bless

> > > >

> > > > RAHULSHARMA

> > > >

> > > > --- On Thu, 2/12/09, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ >

> > > > Re: Why Ayurveda? Why Vegetarian Food?

> > > > sacred-objects

> > > > Thursday, February 12, 2009, 4:00 AM

> > > >

> > > > You should know that the British tried to kill Ayurveda in

India and

> > > they almost succeeded!

> > > >

> > > > In the 1600s, the British East India Company took control over the

> > > subcontinent. By 1833, it had sufficient authority to ban all

> > > ayurvedic colleges and opened the first Western-style medical

> > > university. Ayurvedic medicine survived only in rural areas where

> > > local doctors treated those who could not afford Western medicine.

> > > > Only in 1920 did the discipline of ayurveda begin to regain its

> > > former respect. When India established independence in 1947,

ayurvedic

> > > medical schools were once more officially accepted and allowed to

> open.

> > > > Today, well over 100 ayurvedic colleges in India grant degrees

after

> > > a five-year program. More than 300,000 ayurvedic physicians

belong to

> > > the All-India Ayurveda Congress, making it the largest medical

> > > organization in the world.

> > > >

> > > > RAHUL <toneyrahulsharma@ >

> > > > sacred-objects

> > > > Thursday, 12 February, 2009 8:26:08

> > > > Why Ayurveda? Why Vegetarian Food?

> > > >

> > > > Why Ayurveda? Why Vegetarian Food?

> > > >

> > > > We have been having this discussion form last 4 days on this

> > > > topic and based on that some of us agreed and some disagreed

ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¦.

> > > >

> > > > Why Ayurveda is failing

> > > >

> > > > As Richard Ji pointed out as Ayurveda is failing in modern days

> > > > in comparison to modern day medicine that's the actual truth and I

> > > > guess we all agree on that. But why? Because it was not designed

> for

> > > > modern day lifestyle the way we eat and the time we wake up. In

> > > > ancient days Rishis used to wake up before sun rise and do Yoga

> > > > Sadhana, which already give a lot of boost to there body and mind.

> > > > And then they meditated which not only give rest and peace to mind

> > > > and soul but also spiritual upliftment.

> > > >

> > > > Blame it to Ayurveda is very easy way as we do for rest of

> > > > other things. Ayurveda was designed by this Rishis to cure simple

> > > > diseases one might encounter in that period of time. Surgery,

> > > > PsychologyÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¦ and many other modern day way of treatment are

> derived

> > > > from Ayurveda don't forget that.

> > > >

> > > > Why Vegetarian Food?

> > > >

> > > > Again the food we eat, the time we eat and what we eat is very

> > > > important as per Ayurveda. And based on Ayurveda food is divided

> > > > into three major category

> > > >

> > > > 1. Rajasik

> > > > 2. Tamasik

> > > > 3. Saatvik

> > > >

> > > > It is believed that the food we eat, decides the quality of our

> > > > minds and health of our bodies.This section highlights Saatvik

> > > > cooking. Saatvik food consists of lightly cooked vegetables with

> > > > minimum spices, fruits, nuts, honey, milk and milk products. Jain

> > > > food is also very similar to saatvik cooking except that certain

> > > > root foods like potatoes, ginger, onions, garlic are prohibited

> > > > Satvik Diet is not another fad diet ,it's a way of life,it's

> > > > ayurvedic diet.According to Ayurveda,it has been described as food

> > > > that is vegetarian,simple, mildly spiced and easily

> digestible.Cooked

> > > > in minimal oil and heat and is eaten fresh.Food that encourages

> > > > peaceful energy within the person is known as Saatvik Diet.

> > > >

> > > > Everyone can balance their life by eating Saatvik food atleast

> twice

> > > > a week and it's not hard to incorporate Saatvik food in your

> > > > diet..Having Saatvik Food for a week ( even leaving garlic and

> onions)

> > > > will give you peaceful energy and it will calm you down.Add to

> it an

> > > > hour of walk in the greens and you will discover a new you.

> > > >

> > > > We are the one who should be blamed not Ayurveda, in ancient time

> > > > diseases where also cured by Raaga (music) the best example is

> > > > Taansen.

> > > >

> > > > http://joomla. esotericteaching .org/joomla/ goodies/askbaba/

> > spiritual-

> > > > lifestyle/630- why-do-you- eat-a-vegetarian -diet

> > > >

> > > > http://www.dayafter india.com/ apr108/food. html

> > > >

> > > > Hope this helps

> > > >

> > > > God Bless

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 13, 2009

Again---OLE, HOW OLD ARE YOU? WHO IS YOUR GURU? HOW MUCH DIRECT

EXPERIENCE DO YOU HAVE IN INDIA? WHAT IS YOUR QUALIFICATION???

You say, " I answered all your questions. "

---WHEN? WHY I DON'T KNOW A THING ABOUT YOU? I DON'T KNOW EVEN WHAT

YOU LOOK LIKE. SO ANSWER MY ABOVE QUESTIONS, PLEASE.

FOR ME, I'M AN OLD MAN, I CANNOT REMEMBER NAMES OF ALL HUNDREDS OF

PEOPLE I MET 40 YEARS AGO.

BUT THE FACT REMAINS: AYURVEDA IS USELESS FOR PAIN.

Y/S, R-

> ________________________________

> Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66

> sacred-objects

> Friday, 13 February, 2009 17:05:17

> Re: Most effective herbal medicine: Vedic

or Chinese ??

>

> ---OLE, HOW OLD ARE YOU? WHO IS YOUR GURU? HOW MUCH DIRECT EXPERIENCE

> DO YOU HAVE IN INDIA? WHAT IS YOUR QUALIFICATION? ??

>

> ---If you answer wrong, then we'll send you the " Level-1 Beginners

> Merit Badge " . - GRIN -

>

> Y/s, Richard

>

> sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ > wrote:

> >

> > Well Richard, to tell you the truth, I was actually putting the

> questions to you in the same approach as those questions you earlier

> directed to myself. So I thought you appreciated this kind of

> directness yourself.

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@>

> > sacred-objects

> > Friday, 13 February, 2009 16:35:34

> > Re: Most effective herbal medicine: Vedic

> or Chinese ??

> >

> > > So which ayurvedic doctorsÃƒâ€š did you consult while being sick in

> > India? Did they have any reputation? Did you follow their advice to

> > the letter?---SHOULD I HAVE MY LAWYER PRESENT TO ANSWER THIS NAZI

> > INQUISITION?

> >

> > Ayurveda is not simply about taking some medicine like in the

> > allopathic system, you have to follow a particular diet,

routinesÃƒâ€š etc

> > according to the disease, for the herbal medicines to be effective.

> > For many chronic diseases it is necessary to take pancha karma

> > therapy.---OLE, I KNOW THIS.. GIVE ME A BREAK (I'M NOT A BEGINNER).

> >

> > ---BOTTOM LINE, AS YOU HAVE POINTED OUT, IS " DISEASE = PAIN " - AND FOR

> > PAIN AYURVEDA AND CHINESE MEDICINE ARE USELESS (IN MY OPINION).

> >

> > ---NOW TAKE IT EASY! I STARTED WITH HINDUISM IN 1967 AND GAINED A LOT

> > OF FIRST-HAND EXPERIENCE IN 42 YEARS OF STUDY. HOW OLD WERE YOU IN

> > 1967 ???

> >

> > Y/S,

> > RICHARD

> >

> > > Ys, Ole

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 12/2/09, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@>

> > > Re: Most effective herbal medicine: Vedic

> > or Chinese ??

> > > sacred-objects

> > > Thursday, 12 February, 2009, 8:29 PM

> > >

> > > Hi Ole,

> > >

> > > I really don't believe Ayurveda is useless. But my experiences

with it

> > > have not been helpful. Other people swear by it. But the same is

true

> > > of (which is as complicated and extensive).

> > >

> > > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ >

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Richard,

> > > > I dont understand, why do you want to know that if you already

have

> > > the opinion that Ayurveda is useless?

> > > > Ys, Ole

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@>

> > > > sacred-objects

> > > > Thursday, 12 February, 2009 19:39:26

> > > > Most effective herbal medicine: Vedic or

> > > Chinese ??

> > > >

> > > > What is more effective: Vedic herbal medicine OR Chinese herbal

> > > > medicine? I guess only an expert in BOTH is qualified to

answer this

> > > > question. Y/s, Richard

> > > >

> > > > INFO ON BOTH

> > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Chinese_Herbal_ Medicine

> > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Ayurveda

> > > >

> > > > sacred-objects, Rahul Sharma

> > > > <toneyrahulsharma@ ....> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hello Ole

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for your responce completely agree to you that, Not only

> > > > that Britisher destroyed the so call NALANDA UNIVERSITY which

> was the

> > > > only Vedic institution left.

> > > > >

> > > > > The sad part about all this is that still in Indian schools and

> > > > big institutions still we follow MAX MULLER theory that Vedic

people

> > > > came from West???

> > > > >

> > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Max_M%C3% BCller

> > > > >

> > > > > For which he later contradicted but still FOOLS in India believe

> > > > that FAKE theory...

> > > > > PLEASE WATCH

> > > > >

> > > > > Scientific Verification of Vedic Knowledge in Hinduism

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=rY4Q2xx7BTc

> > > > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=G2vhCPBjqcA

> > > > > http://www.youtube. . com/watch? v=FMlisMg4VPo

> > > > >

> > > > > Our Religion and culture is rich please respect and have

> > > > belive in it.

> > > > >

> > > > > God Bless

> > > > >

> > > > > RAHULSHARMA

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Thu, 2/12/09, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ >

> > > > > Re: Why Ayurveda? Why Vegetarian Food?

> > > > > sacred-objects

> > > > > Thursday, February 12, 2009, 4:00 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > You should know that the British tried to kill Ayurveda in

> India and

> > > > they almost succeeded!

> > > > >

> > > > > In the 1600s, the British East India Company took control

over the

> > > > subcontinent. By 1833, it had sufficient authority to ban all

> > > > ayurvedic colleges and opened the first Western-style medical

> > > > university. Ayurvedic medicine survived only in rural areas where

> > > > local doctors treated those who could not afford Western medicine.

> > > > > Only in 1920 did the discipline of ayurveda begin to regain its

> > > > former respect. When India established independence in 1947,

> ayurvedic

> > > > medical schools were once more officially accepted and allowed to

> > open.

> > > > > Today, well over 100 ayurvedic colleges in India grant degrees

> after

> > > > a five-year program. More than 300,000 ayurvedic physicians

> belong to

> > > > the All-India Ayurveda Congress, making it the largest medical

> > > > organization in the world.

> > > > >

> > > > > RAHUL <toneyrahulsharma@ >

> > > > > sacred-objects

> > > > > Thursday, 12 February, 2009 8:26:08

> > > > > Why Ayurveda? Why Vegetarian Food?

> > > > >

> > > > > Why Ayurveda? Why Vegetarian Food?

> > > > >

> > > > > We have been having this discussion form last 4 days on this

> > > > > topic and based on that some of us agreed and some disagreed

> ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¦.

> > > > >

> > > > > Why Ayurveda is failing

> > > > >

> > > > > As Richard Ji pointed out as Ayurveda is failing in modern days

> > > > > in comparison to modern day medicine that's the actual truth

and I

> > > > > guess we all agree on that. But why? Because it was not designed

> > for

> > > > > modern day lifestyle the way we eat and the time we wake up. In

> > > > > ancient days Rishis used to wake up before sun rise and do Yoga

> > > > > Sadhana, which already give a lot of boost to there body and

mind.

> > > > > And then they meditated which not only give rest and peace

to mind

> > > > > and soul but also spiritual upliftment.

> > > > >

> > > > > Blame it to Ayurveda is very easy way as we do for rest of

> > > > > other things. Ayurveda was designed by this Rishis to cure

simple

> > > > > diseases one might encounter in that period of time. Surgery,

> > > > > PsychologyÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¦ and many other modern day

way of

treatment are

> > derived

> > > > > from Ayurveda don't forget that.

> > > > >

> > > > > Why Vegetarian Food?

> > > > >

> > > > > Again the food we eat, the time we eat and what we eat is very

> > > > > important as per Ayurveda. And based on Ayurveda food is divided

> > > > > into three major category

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Rajasik

> > > > > 2. Tamasik

> > > > > 3. Saatvik

> > > > >

> > > > > It is believed that the food we eat, decides the quality of our

> > > > > minds and health of our bodies.This section highlights Saatvik

> > > > > cooking. Saatvik food consists of lightly cooked vegetables with

> > > > > minimum spices, fruits, nuts, honey, milk and milk products.

Jain

> > > > > food is also very similar to saatvik cooking except that certain

> > > > > root foods like potatoes, ginger, onions, garlic are prohibited

> > > > > Satvik Diet is not another fad diet ,it's a way of life,it's

> > > > > ayurvedic diet.According to Ayurveda,it has been described

as food

> > > > > that is vegetarian,simple, mildly spiced and easily

> > digestible.Cooked

> > > > > in minimal oil and heat and is eaten fresh.Food that encourages

> > > > > peaceful energy within the person is known as Saatvik Diet.

> > > > >

> > > > > Everyone can balance their life by eating Saatvik food atleast

> > twice

> > > > > a week and it's not hard to incorporate Saatvik food in your

> > > > > diet..Having Saatvik Food for a week ( even leaving garlic and

> > onions)

> > > > > will give you peaceful energy and it will calm you down.Add to

> > it an

> > > > > hour of walk in the greens and you will discover a new you.

> > > > >

> > > > > We are the one who should be blamed not Ayurveda, in ancient

time

> > > > > diseases where also cured by Raaga (music) the best example is

> > > > > Taansen.

> > > > >

> > > > > http://joomla. esotericteaching .org/joomla/ goodies/askbaba/

> > > spiritual-

> > > > > lifestyle/630- why-do-you- eat-a-vegetarian -diet

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.dayafter india.com/ apr108/food. html

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope this helps

> > > > >

> > > > > God Bless

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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