Guest guest Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Originally this was a matter of diet. Being a vegetarian means eating vege food. But then it got changed to vegetarian medicine!? Medicine usually means emergency, in which case one doesn't always follow the norm. In any case everyone has their thing. You're in to some dude name " Jha " . - I hope you achieve your aim! sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup wrote: > > Dear Richard, > > What is so strange about this? Please do not be worried about my path, I am doing ok. As I wrote in my initial posting, I stumbled on the work by Jha after having learned about what Srila Prabhupada had said about meat being used in Ayurveda and learned about the use of cow meat in the Charaka Samhita, then read about the Jha controversy, so I had to order this book and see for myself, because the claims are so controversial. It is also interesting to see that so far no one has disputed the quotes I have given from Ayurveda. I look forward to see what other references Jha has given from Shastra and what is the context. > > Y/S, Ole > > > > > ________________________________ > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 > sacred-objects > Tuesday, 10 February, 2009 12:19:14 > Re: The essential Hindu (vegetarian religion? OR WHAT!) > > > Dear Ole, > > You seem to be on a strange path. I wonder if you can reach the > supreme truth by following Mr. Jha. Is he a meat eater? What is his > Sampradaya siddhanta? You seem very interested to promote him and his > proposition. .. What gives?? Y/s, Richard > > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Abhishek, > > > > I am surprised at your reply, the Charaka Samhita is very clear, as > are other ayurvedic texts, this is no secret, but it seems that hindus > pretend this it is not so. I have already given some references from > the CS. Nowhere is it stated that this is from animals who expire > naturally. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ole > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu@ ...> > > sacred-objects > > Tuesday, 10 February, 2009 3:25:43 > > Re: Re: The essential Hindu (vegetarian > religion? OR WHAT!) > > > > > > Dearl Ole, > > > > You will agree that anything that comes to print can be tampered > with. I too have heard of references that bodyparts of animals who > expire as per the natural course are used in some ayurvedic > formulations. One argument could be that since a dead body has no > prana & the concerned animal not been killed for the purpose of > extracting the medicine,, we are actually using a waste material for > beneficial purpose's. But all the same this remains a very contentious > issue. > > > > As is also the use of metals in ayurvedic formulations. One sad > aspect is that Ayurveda has no standardized Pharmacopeia. So lets say > if you pick up rival Shankpushpi preparations, each will test > different for consistency, potency value & content of minerals, trace > elements/metals. > > > > Dr. Robert Svoboda is the most illumined & gifted Ayurvedic > Specialist in the west. But had it not been for the intutive, > pragmatic & blessed mentoring of his fpg the Aghori Vimalanada, he > would not have known the difference between chalk & cheese. > > > > Best > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/2/09, Ole Alstrup <alstrup > wrote: > > > > Ole Alstrup <alstrup > > > Re: Re: The essential Hindu (vegetarian > religion? OR WHAT!) > > sacred-objects > > Monday, 9 February, 2009, 2:44 PM > > > > > > I have already provided some quotes from Charaka Samhita of > recommendation to use cow meat for different diseases. Different kinds > of animals are used in ayurvedic preparations, what is your opinion on > that? Have you read the book by Jha? > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu@ ..co. in> > > sacred-objects > > Monday, 9 February, 2009 6:42:18 > > Re: Re: The essential Hindu (vegetarian > religion? OR WHAT!) > > > > > > In Sanatana Dharma, there is no scope/sanction of meat eating. > Traditionally the usage of garlic, onion, garlic is also prohibited. > The preffered cooking medium is clarified butter, with little or no > usage of spices. > > > > Ideally the food should be prepared by a Kinnar (eunuch) & the food > should be partaken only when first offered to the ishta deva and/or > guru. Food as a rule should always be consumed while being seated. > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/2/09, Ole Alstrup <alstrup > wrote: > > > > Ole Alstrup <alstrup > > > Re: Re: The essential Hindu (vegetarian > religion? OR WHAT!) > > sacred-objects > > Monday, 9 February, 2009, 6:34 AM > > > > > > Oh, was it only Bhima? Are you sure? It is very elementary what Jha > is trying to prove, I dont know why you keep asking that question. I > am not afraid to look at any research which comes along that > challenges religious doctrines. > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 > > > sacred-objects > > Sunday, 8 February, 2009 17:13:26 > > Re: The essential Hindu (vegetarian > religion? OR WHAT!) > > > > > > > > ---in MBh only Bhima was given special permission. And that was > lila, not daily life. Meat > > is murder and tama guna. So what is Mr Jha trying to prove? And why > do you care? > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > anne thakur <annethakur@ ...> > > > sacred-objects > > > Saturday, 7 February, 2009 23:59:05 > > > Re: The essential Hindu (vegetarian > religion? OR WHAT!) > > > > > > > > > Please what is the point here?I dont understand . Also frankly > what is sanctioned > > anywhere is not even the bottom line > > > which is never cause another sentient being pain, suffering > without their express > > permission > > > do not eat animals!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Prabhupada: " Yes. Animal-killing is only allowed when it is absolutely necessary, for medicine. " ---OK, we're talking about Vegetarian diet. And this supports that only. sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup wrote: > > Srila Prabhupada on Ayurveda and meat > > > Morning Walk > †" > June 27, 1976, New Vrindaban > Puá¹£á¹a Kṛṣṇa: Are the prajÄpatis responsible for propagating human species or all species of life? > PrabhupÄda: Human. > Puá¹£á¹a Kṛṣṇa: Are there different prajÄpatis for the different species? > PrabhupÄda: Yes. BrahmÄ is the origin. [break] ...a class of men, they are called vaidyas (doctors). > They know all these herb, which herb is medicine for certain disease, > and they sell in the market. Every one of these is meant for some > medicine. They know it. > Hari-Å›auri: Is that kind of information given in the Vedas? > PrabhupÄda: Yes. Yes. Ä€yur Veda. There is a book. Dravya-guṇa.. All kinds of herbs, metals, even different kinds of flesh of different > animals, they are mentioned. Hundreds of different kinds of animals > flesh, how it can be utilized for certain disease, the descriptions are > there. > Hari-Å›auri: They use flesh for curing things? > PrabhupÄda: Hmm? > Hari-Å›auri: They use flesh for curing diseases? > PrabhupÄda: Yes. > Animal-killing is only allowed when it is absolutely necessary, for > medicine. Suppose by killing one animal hundreds of lives are saved, so > that is allowed. One preparation is chagalaka-ghá¹›ta. It is prepared... A live goat is put into the ghee with other ingredients, and that is a good medicine for tisis(?). > Hari-Å›auri: For? > PrabhupÄda: Tisis(?) Tuberculosis. > Hari-Å›auri: Oh. > Puá¹£á¹a Kṛṣṇa: They actually cook the live goat in the ghee? Maybe we should withhold this science from the Western world for a while. > PrabhupÄda: No, you are expert already. (laughter) > Hari-Å›auri: There were some mantras they chant... Just like the sacrifices where they would give new life to the sacrificed animal. They would do the same thing? > PrabhupÄda: To test, to test the Vedic mantra. > Hari-Å›auri: So that goat would get a new life, or...? > PrabhupÄda: Who? No, this is used for medicine. > Puá¹£á¹a Kṛṣṇa: Many, many of the Western medicines are taken from different glands from animals. > PrabhupÄda: Yes. [break] > Devotee (1): They had an Ä€yur-vedic doctor in New Vrindaban, and he was prescribing mung and rice diet for the... > Puá¹£á¹a Kṛṣṇa: He's the one who told RameÅ›vara prabhu not to take any sugar when he had hepatitis. He told them that for hepatitis one should take†" what was it? > Devotees: Mung and rice. > Devotee (1): Mung and rice, and no sugar. > PrabhupÄda: So it was taken? > Dhṛṣá¹adyumna: RameÅ›vara was taking, but then he heard that Your Divine Grace said he should take papaya and sugar. > PrabhupÄda: Sugar candy. > Dhṛṣá¹adyumna: So he immediately stopped the other prescription and followed your prescription. > PrabhupÄda: It was beneficial? > Dhṛṣá¹adyumna: RameÅ›vara? Yes, he recovered. > Puá¹£á¹a Kṛṣṇa: I also got over hepatitis following PrabhupÄda's prescription.. > ÅšyÄmakuṇá¸a: PrabhupÄda, yesterday in this book it said that when a cow gets so old, > the most economic solution to do with it is not to waste the meat, that > it should be slaughtered. > PrabhupÄda: Hm? > ÅšyÄmakunda: The karmÄ«s, they say that its... When you have this cow that won't give any more > milk and its teeth are rotten where its going to die†" it can't hardly > eat properly†" that it's a waste to not use that meat to feed people. It > should be slaughtered. > PrabhupÄda: I have written? > Puá¹£á¹a Kṛṣṇa: No. He's saying in a karmÄ« book. > ÅšyÄmakunda: They say that the economically proper thing to do is to kill the cow after it, er, and not waste the meat. > PrabhupÄda: And who > will take? When he'll die, who will take his meat? That is also > economical. Why don't you give it to the animal-eaters instead of > wasting it? Why they bury in the ground? Why? Let it be thrown eating > by the jackals or anybody else. > ÅšyÄmakunda: The people should eat their..., the people, then, according to that philosophy, right? > PrabhupÄda: No, when man is dead, why the economic calculation is not taken? Hm? > Devotee (2): Because they think it is animallike. > PrabhupÄda: Animal or > a man, when it is dead, then it is the same value. Is there any > difference of value between the animal body and man's body? > Devotee (2): They think it is barbaric. > PrabhupÄda: " They think, " but you think like human being. > Puá¹£á¹a Kṛṣṇa: But the animal has no soul. > PrabhupÄda: Soul or not soul, when the body is dead, is there any difference of value? > ÅšyÄmakunda: Well, it doesn't seem human to eat a human. > PrabhupÄda: This is nonsense, the rascal's nonsense. > Hari-Å›auri: It's too horrifying for them to contemplate that they may start eating each other. > Puá¹£á¹a Kṛṣṇa: Or their family dog. > Dhṛṣá¹adyumna: Or their grandmother. > ÅšyÄmakunda: But if it was wrapped up in a package and they didn't know it was the dog or their mother, they could probably eat it. > PrabhupÄda: Yes, they can eat by packing. > Hari-Å›auri: They eat > their pets sometimes. I used to have a pet rabbit, and one day I came > home from school and my father had killed it and eaten it for dinner. > (laughter) He said I wasn't looking after it properly, so he... > PrabhupÄda: Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. > Puá¹£á¹a Kṛṣṇa: This business of simply taking economics into consideration... > PrabhupÄda: They do > not. Rascals... How to live, they do not know. Animals. There is a > class of men in India, they take, I told you, the dead body of a cow. > Puá¹£á¹a Kṛṣṇa: Cobblers. > Dhṛṣá¹adyumna: Mucis? > PrabhupÄda: Muci, yes. Their business is shoe maker. So when the cow is dead, they take > it, they eat the meat and take the skin and the hoof. They make > business without any, what is called, investment. Harer nÄma [Ä€di 17.21]. That is economic. He gets the skin without any price, and he makes > shoes and gets full profit. But that is for a class of men, not for > all. Economic gain for a cobbler is not the economic gain for a brÄhmaṇa. " One man's food another man's poison. " > Puá¹£á¹a Kṛṣṇa: Is considered, ÅšrÄ«la PrabhupÄda, that when a brÄhmaṇa is engaged in the activities of plowing and cultivating, that he has become a vaiÅ›ya? > PrabhupÄda: No. If there is nobody to help, he can do. > Hari-Å›auri: As long as he keeps up his brahminical standards. > PrabhupÄda: Huh? Yes. This is our car? > Puá¹£á¹a Kṛṣṇa: Yes, ÅšrÄ«la PrabhupÄda. > PrabhupÄda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. > Devotee (3): ÅšrÄ«la PrabhupÄda? It says in the Caitanya-caritÄmá¹›ta, jaya jaya nityÄnanda, nityÄnanda-rÄma, yÄá¹…hÄra ká¹›pÄte pÄinu vá¹›ndÄvana-dhÄma. That means he has somehow achieved the shelter of Lord NityÄnanda > because He sent him to Vá¹›ndÄvana. Is this also true for the residents > here in New Vrindaban? They have achieved the shelter of Lord > NityÄnanda? > Devotees: Jaya. (end) > > > > ________________________________ > Ole Alstrup <alstrup > sacred-objects > Tuesday, 10 February, 2009 16:29:06 > Re: Re: The essential Hindu (vegetarian religion?) > > > No, I dont think that Jha has a very good case, at least from what I have read in the reviews, his work is said to be politically motivated and not trustworthy, but how come no one has made thorough a-z rebuttal of his claims. Anyway, we shall see. But what's up with Ayurveda and using cow meat! > > > > > ________________________________ > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 > sacred-objects > Tuesday, 10 February, 2009 16:06:18 > Re: The essential Hindu (vegetarian religion?) > > > Originally this was a matter of diet. Being a vegetarian means eating vege food. But then it got changed to vegetarian medicine!? Medicine usually means emergency, in which case one doesn't always follow the norm. In any case everyone has their thing. You're in to some dude name " Jha " . - I hope you achieve your aim! > > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Richard, > > > > What is so strange about this? Please do not be worried about my > path, I am doing ok. As I wrote in my initial posting, I stumbled on > the work by Jha after having learned about what Srila Prabhupada had > said about meat being used in Ayurveda and learned about the use of > cow meat in the Charaka Samhita, then read about the Jha controversy, > so I had to order this book and see for myself, because the claims are > so controversial. It is also interesting to see that so far no one has > disputed the quotes I have given from Ayurveda. I look forward to see > what other references Jha has given from Shastra and what is the context. > > > > Y/S, Ole > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@> > > sacred-objects > > Tuesday, 10 February, 2009 12:19:14 > > Re: The essential Hindu (vegetarian > religion? OR WHAT!) > > > > > > Dear Ole, > > > > You seem to be on a strange path. I wonder if you can reach the > > supreme truth by following Mr. Jha. Is he a meat eater? What is his > > Sampradaya siddhanta? You seem very interested to promote him and his > > proposition. .. What gives?? Y/s, Richard > > > > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Abhishek, > > > > > > I am surprised at your reply, the Charaka Samhita is very clear, as > > are other ayurvedic texts, this is no secret, but it seems that hindus > > pretend this it is not so. I have already given some references from > > the CS. Nowhere is it stated that this is from animals who expire > > naturally. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Ole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu@ ...> > > > sacred-objects > > > Tuesday, 10 February, 2009 3:25:43 > > > Re: Re: The essential Hindu (vegetarian > > religion? OR WHAT!) > > > > > > > > > Dearl Ole, > > > > > > You will agree that anything that comes to print can be tampered > > with. I too have heard of references that bodyparts of animals who > > expire as per the natural course are used in some ayurvedic > > formulations. One argument could be that since a dead body has no > > prana & the concerned animal not been killed for the purpose of > > extracting the medicine,, we are actually using a waste material for > > beneficial purpose's. But all the same this remains a very contentious > > issue. > > > > > > As is also the use of metals in ayurvedic formulations. One sad > > aspect is that Ayurveda has no standardized Pharmacopeia. So lets say > > if you pick up rival Shankpushpi preparations, each will test > > different for consistency, potency value & content of minerals, trace > > elements/metals. > > > > > > Dr. Robert Svoboda is the most illumined & gifted Ayurvedic > > Specialist in the west. But had it not been for the intutive, > > pragmatic & blessed mentoring of his fpg the Aghori Vimalanada, he > > would not have known the difference between chalk & cheese. > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/2/09, Ole Alstrup <alstrup > wrote: > > > > > > Ole Alstrup <alstrup > > > > Re: Re: The essential Hindu (vegetarian > > religion? OR WHAT!) > > > sacred-objects > > > Monday, 9 February, 2009, 2:44 PM > > > > > > > > > I have already provided some quotes from Charaka Samhita of > > recommendation to use cow meat for different diseases. Different kinds > > of animals are used in ayurvedic preparations, what is your opinion on > > that? Have you read the book by Jha? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu@ ..co. in> > > > sacred-objects > > > Monday, 9 February, 2009 6:42:18 > > > Re: Re: The essential Hindu (vegetarian > > religion? OR WHAT!) > > > > > > > > > In Sanatana Dharma, there is no scope/sanction of meat eating. > > Traditionally the usage of garlic, onion, garlic is also prohibited. > > The preffered cooking medium is clarified butter, with little or no > > usage of spices. > > > > > > Ideally the food should be prepared by a Kinnar (eunuch) & the food > > should be partaken only when first offered to the ishta deva and/or > > guru. Food as a rule should always be consumed while being seated. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/2/09, Ole Alstrup <alstrup > wrote: > > > > > > Ole Alstrup <alstrup > > > > Re: Re: The essential Hindu (vegetarian > > religion? OR WHAT!) > > > sacred-objects > > > Monday, 9 February, 2009, 6:34 AM > > > > > > > > > Oh, was it only Bhima? Are you sure? It is very elementary what Jha > > is trying to prove, I dont know why you keep asking that question. I > > am not afraid to look at any research which comes along that > > challenges religious doctrines. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 > > > > sacred-objects > > > Sunday, 8 February, 2009 17:13:26 > > > Re: The essential Hindu (vegetarian > > religion? OR WHAT!) > > > > > > > > > > > > ---in MBh only Bhima was given special permission. And that was > > lila, not daily life. Meat > > > is murder and tama guna. So what is Mr Jha trying to prove? And why > > do you care? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > anne thakur <annethakur@ ...> > > > > sacred-objects > > > > Saturday, 7 February, 2009 23:59:05 > > > > Re: The essential Hindu (vegetarian > > religion? OR WHAT!) > > > > > > > > > > > > Please what is the point here?I dont understand . Also frankly > > what is sanctioned > > > anywhere is not even the bottom line > > > > which is never cause another sentient being pain, suffering > > without their express > > > permission > > > > do not eat animals!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 If Jha is a non-vegetarian then I understand completely his guilt complex...I never met a non-veg Hindu without one. Y/s, R- sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup wrote: > > No, I dont think that Jha has a very good case, at least from what I have read in the reviews, his work is said to be politically motivated and not trustworthy, but how come no one has made thorough a-z rebuttal of his claims.. Anyway, we shall see. But what's up with Ayurveda and using cow meat! > > > > > ________________________________ > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 > sacred-objects > Tuesday, 10 February, 2009 16:06:18 > Re: The essential Hindu (vegetarian religion?) > > > Originally this was a matter of diet. Being a vegetarian means eating vege food. But then it got changed to vegetarian medicine!? Medicine usually means emergency, in which case one doesn't always follow the norm. In any case everyone has their thing. You're in to some dude name " Jha " . - I hope you achieve your aim! > > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Richard, > > > > What is so strange about this? Please do not be worried about my > path, I am doing ok. As I wrote in my initial posting, I stumbled on > the work by Jha after having learned about what Srila Prabhupada had > said about meat being used in Ayurveda and learned about the use of > cow meat in the Charaka Samhita, then read about the Jha controversy, > so I had to order this book and see for myself, because the claims are > so controversial. It is also interesting to see that so far no one has > disputed the quotes I have given from Ayurveda. I look forward to see > what other references Jha has given from Shastra and what is the context. > > > > Y/S, Ole > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@> > > sacred-objects > > Tuesday, 10 February, 2009 12:19:14 > > Re: The essential Hindu (vegetarian > religion? OR WHAT!) > > > > > > Dear Ole, > > > > You seem to be on a strange path. I wonder if you can reach the > > supreme truth by following Mr. Jha. Is he a meat eater? What is his > > Sampradaya siddhanta? You seem very interested to promote him and his > > proposition. .. What gives?? Y/s, Richard > > > > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Abhishek, > > > > > > I am surprised at your reply, the Charaka Samhita is very clear, as > > are other ayurvedic texts, this is no secret, but it seems that hindus > > pretend this it is not so. I have already given some references from > > the CS. Nowhere is it stated that this is from animals who expire > > naturally. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Ole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu@ ...> > > > sacred-objects > > > Tuesday, 10 February, 2009 3:25:43 > > > Re: Re: The essential Hindu (vegetarian > > religion? OR WHAT!) > > > > > > > > > Dearl Ole, > > > > > > You will agree that anything that comes to print can be tampered > > with. I too have heard of references that bodyparts of animals who > > expire as per the natural course are used in some ayurvedic > > formulations. One argument could be that since a dead body has no > > prana & the concerned animal not been killed for the purpose of > > extracting the medicine,, we are actually using a waste material for > > beneficial purpose's. But all the same this remains a very contentious > > issue. > > > > > > As is also the use of metals in ayurvedic formulations. One sad > > aspect is that Ayurveda has no standardized Pharmacopeia. So lets say > > if you pick up rival Shankpushpi preparations, each will test > > different for consistency, potency value & content of minerals, trace > > elements/metals. > > > > > > Dr. Robert Svoboda is the most illumined & gifted Ayurvedic > > Specialist in the west. But had it not been for the intutive, > > pragmatic & blessed mentoring of his fpg the Aghori Vimalanada, he > > would not have known the difference between chalk & cheese. > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/2/09, Ole Alstrup <alstrup > wrote: > > > > > > Ole Alstrup <alstrup > > > > Re: Re: The essential Hindu (vegetarian > > religion? OR WHAT!) > > > sacred-objects > > > Monday, 9 February, 2009, 2:44 PM > > > > > > > > > I have already provided some quotes from Charaka Samhita of > > recommendation to use cow meat for different diseases. Different kinds > > of animals are used in ayurvedic preparations, what is your opinion on > > that? Have you read the book by Jha? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu@ ..co. in> > > > sacred-objects > > > Monday, 9 February, 2009 6:42:18 > > > Re: Re: The essential Hindu (vegetarian > > religion? OR WHAT!) > > > > > > > > > In Sanatana Dharma, there is no scope/sanction of meat eating. > > Traditionally the usage of garlic, onion, garlic is also prohibited. > > The preffered cooking medium is clarified butter, with little or no > > usage of spices. > > > > > > Ideally the food should be prepared by a Kinnar (eunuch) & the food > > should be partaken only when first offered to the ishta deva and/or > > guru. Food as a rule should always be consumed while being seated. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/2/09, Ole Alstrup <alstrup > wrote: > > > > > > Ole Alstrup <alstrup > > > > Re: Re: The essential Hindu (vegetarian > > religion? OR WHAT!) > > > sacred-objects > > > Monday, 9 February, 2009, 6:34 AM > > > > > > > > > Oh, was it only Bhima? Are you sure? It is very elementary what Jha > > is trying to prove, I dont know why you keep asking that question. I > > am not afraid to look at any research which comes along that > > challenges religious doctrines. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 > > > > sacred-objects > > > Sunday, 8 February, 2009 17:13:26 > > > Re: The essential Hindu (vegetarian > > religion? OR WHAT!) > > > > > > > > > > > > ---in MBh only Bhima was given special permission. And that was > > lila, not daily life. Meat > > > is murder and tama guna. So what is Mr Jha trying to prove? And why > > do you care? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > anne thakur <annethakur@ ...> > > > > sacred-objects > > > > Saturday, 7 February, 2009 23:59:05 > > > > Re: The essential Hindu (vegetarian > > religion? OR WHAT!) > > > > > > > > > > > > Please what is the point here?I dont understand . Also frankly > > what is sanctioned > > > anywhere is not even the bottom line > > > > which is never cause another sentient being pain, suffering > > without their express > > > permission > > > > do not eat animals!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 Hi, There is a saying in practice in india "I wont eat it even when offered as medicine". Sashtra makes certain thing clear. If it is medicinal purpose certain things are exempt. If meat is needed to cure a particular desease then it has to be used. But some misinterpretation comes saying "I cannot live without meat hence meat is medicine as it saves my life" is absurd. Shastra allows a men to eat meat provided he spends all his days in meditation and devoting himself to God. It attaches huge liabilities even if meat is consumed by such persons. --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote: Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 Re: The essential Hindu (vegetarian religion?)sacred-objects Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 4:32 PM If Jha is a non-vegetarian then I understand completely his guiltcomplex...I never met a non-veg Hindu without one. Y/s, R-sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup > wrote:>> No, I dont think that Jha has a very good case, at least from what Ihave read in the reviews, his work is said to be politically motivatedand not trustworthy, but how come no one has made thorough a-zrebuttal of his claims.. Anyway, we shall see. But what's up withAyurveda and using cow meat!> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66> sacred-objects> Tuesday, 10 February, 2009 16:06:18> Subject: Re: The essential Hindu (vegetarian religion?)> > > Originally this was a matter of diet. Being a vegetarian meanseating vege food. But then it got changed to vegetarian medicine!?Medicine usually means emergency, in which case one doesn't alwaysfollow the norm. In any case everyone has their thing. You're in tosome dude name "Jha". - I hope you achieve your aim!> > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Richard,> > > > What is so strange about this? Please do not be worried about my> path, I am doing ok. As I wrote in my initial posting, I stumbled on> the work by Jha after having learned about what Srila Prabhupada had> said about meat being used in Ayurveda and learned about the use of> cow meat in the Charaka Samhita, then read about the Jha controversy,> so I had to order this book and see for myself, because the claims are> so controversial. It is also interesting to see that so far no one has> disputed the quotes I have given from Ayurveda. I look forward to see> what other references Jha has given from Shastra and what is thecontext. > > > > Y/S, Ole> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@>> > sacred-objects> > Tuesday, 10 February, 2009 12:19:14> > Re: The essential Hindu (vegetarian> religion? OR WHAT!)> > > > > > Dear Ole,> > > > You seem to be on a strange path. I wonder if you can reach the> > supreme truth by following Mr. Jha. Is he a meat eater? What is his> > Sampradaya siddhanta? You seem very interested to promote him and his> > proposition. .. What gives?? Y/s, Richard> > > > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ >wrote:> > >> > > Dear Abhishek,> > > > > > I am surprised at your reply, the Charaka Samhita is very clear, as> > are other ayurvedic texts, this is no secret, but it seems that hindus> > pretend this it is not so. I have already given some references from> > the CS. Nowhere is it stated that this is from animals who expire> > naturally. > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > Ole> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu@ ...>> > > sacred-objects@ . com> > > Tuesday, 10 February, 2009 3:25:43> > > Re: Re: The essential Hindu (vegetarian> > religion? OR WHAT!)> > > > > > > > > Dearl Ole,> > > > > > You will agree that anything that comes to print can be tampered> > with. I too have heard of references that bodyparts of animals who> > expire as per the natural course are used in some ayurvedic> > formulations. One argument could be that since a dead body has no> > prana & the concerned animal not been killed for the purpose of> > extracting the medicine,, we are actually using a waste material for> > beneficial purpose's. But all the same this remains a very contentious> > issue.> > > > > > As is also the use of metals in ayurvedic formulations. One sad> > aspect is that Ayurveda has no standardized Pharmacopeia. So lets say> > if you pick up rival Shankpushpi preparations, each will test> > different for consistency, potency value & content of minerals, trace> > elements/metals. > > > > > > Dr. Robert Svoboda is the most illumined & gifted Ayurvedic> > Specialist in the west. But had it not been for the intutive,> > pragmatic & blessed mentoring of his fpg the Aghori Vimalanada, he> > would not have known the difference between chalk & cheese. > > > > > > Best> > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/2/09, Ole Alstrup <alstrup > wrote:> > > > > > Ole Alstrup <alstrup >> > > Re: Re: The essential Hindu (vegetarian> > religion? OR WHAT!)> > > sacred-objects> > > Monday, 9 February, 2009, 2:44 PM> > > > > > > > > I have already provided some quotes from Charaka Samhita of> > recommendation to use cow meat for different diseases. Different kinds> > of animals are used in ayurvedic preparations, what is your opinion on> > that? Have you read the book by Jha?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu@ ..co. in>> > > sacred-objects> > > Monday, 9 February, 2009 6:42:18> > > Re: Re: The essential Hindu (vegetarian> > religion? OR WHAT!)> > > > > > > > > In Sanatana Dharma, there is no scope/sanction of meat eating.> > Traditionally the usage of garlic, onion, garlic is also prohibited.> > The preffered cooking medium is clarified butter, with little or no> > usage of spices.> > > > > > Ideally the food should be prepared by a Kinnar (eunuch) & the food> > should be partaken only when first offered to the ishta deva and/or> > guru. Food as a rule should always be consumed while being seated.> > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/2/09, Ole Alstrup <alstrup > wrote:> > > > > > Ole Alstrup <alstrup >> > > Re: Re: The essential Hindu (vegetarian> > religion? OR WHAT!)> > > sacred-objects> > > Date: Monday, 9 February, 2009, 6:34 AM> > > > > > > > > Oh, was it only Bhima? Are you sure? It is very elementary what Jha> > is trying to prove, I dont know why you keep asking that question. I> > am not afraid to look at any research which comes along that> > challenges religious doctrines. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 >> > > sacred-objects> > > Sunday, 8 February, 2009 17:13:26> > > Re: The essential Hindu (vegetarian> > religion? OR WHAT!)> > > > > > > > > > > > ---in MBh only Bhima was given special permission. And that was> > lila, not daily life. Meat > > > is murder and tama guna. So what is Mr Jha trying to prove? And why> > do you care?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > anne thakur <annethakur@ ...>> > > > sacred-objects> > > > Saturday, 7 February, 2009 23:59:05> > > > Re: The essential Hindu (vegetarian> > religion? OR WHAT!)> > > > > > > > > > > > Please what is the point here?I dont understand . Also frankly> > what is sanctioned > > > anywhere is not even the bottom line> > > > which is never cause another sentient being pain, suffering> > without their express > > > permission> > > > do not eat animals!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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