Guest guest Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 Hare Krishna Prabhu, Thanks for your mail Prabhu. Please accept my best wishes, all glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga, all glories to all the devotees of the Lord. Under no circumstances the seeds can come at the centre and obstract the path of natural hole. They are held with in the bead naturally. Pl exlain how you can insert the seeds and remove the seeds without breaking the Rudraksha bead. I am sure quite a few members like me would be interested in seeing this art. Also from where you have learnt this art. What about 100 mukhi rudraksha you were claiming to make ??? Your bank account details to deposit amount for natural 100 mukhi Rudraksha Prabhu??? Pl reply all this querries ???? or tender a public appology for talking nonsense in this forum.I hope this will help,Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev NamahaI beg to remain yours in the humble service of the Lord and His devotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day,Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the service of Their Lordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram,Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu,Shri Swayamvyakta-Shaligram-Silas Arpanam Astu, Thanks and Regards, Haribol, Rajiv Krishna Dasa,WWW.SHALIGRAM.COM00 91 932264642100 91 93226464200091 22 24459616salagram8shaligram8Address105, Hammersmith Industrial Estate,Narayan Pathare Marg,Off Shitla Devi Temple Road, Mahim, Mumbai 400037 Maharashtra (India )--- On Fri, 2/1/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin Rudrakshassacred-objects Date: Friday, 2 January, 2009, 8:43 AM dear phadkejiyour observations are valued and yes the seeds are supposed to be in the locules under the cleft. however, many times i have observed in 12, 13 and 14mukhi large sized beads that a couple of beads come in the centre instead of tightly holding or stuck inside the locules as you mentioned. while making gold pendants, a seed or two that are in the middle and obstructing the passage come out or gently removed using a needle. hence i opined that seeds can be removed and inserted.i rest my case as i never sell rudraksha on the basis of seeds and am interested only in the naturally formed mukhis or lines.with best wishes and blessingspandit arjunwww.rudraksharemedy .comsacred-objects, chandrashekhar phadke <chphadke@.. .> wrote:>> Dear Arjuna ji,>  > I do not agree with you regarding either insertion or removal of rudraksha seeds. It is not possible either to insert or remove seeds from rudraksha, keeping the bead intact. Seeds can be removed only after breaking the bead. Rudraksha seeds are situated in locules.. These locules are under the cleft or mukhi. One locule for each cleft as far as Elaeocarpus angustifolius is concerned, i.e. Nepal or Indonesian rudraksha. Only in case of oval Haridwar rudraksha whether one mukhi, two mukhi or three mukhi, there is only sigle locule and one seed in it. One can not insert seeds from outside in rudraksha locules. In Nepal or Indonesian rudraksha not all locules develop seeds especially higher mukhi beads. In higher mukhi beads many times clefts or mukhi are very close to each other, rarely two clefts share common wall. In such cases there are no seeds in a perticular locule and locule is also very poorly formed like a thin slit. It is> very difficult to interprete rudraksha X-ray. If customer insists to have rudraksha X-ray showing seeds equal to mukhi then he has to take only three mukhi to 6 mukhi at the most 7 mukhi rudraksha. I have personally noticed that even in 5 mukhi bead sometimes seeds are not well developed and one or two locules are slitformed and naturally empty.>  > Thanking you and with best wishes.>  > Chandrashekhar Phadke> > --- On Fri, 2/1/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote:> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...>> Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin Rudrakshas> sacred-objects> Friday, 2 January, 2009, 6:20 AM> > > > > > > dear oleji> > your concluding observation is true and ordained by the scriptures > that the scriptures talk only of faces or lines on the outer surface.> > i can easily demonstrate how seeds can be removed from a rudraksha > and also seeds can be put into a rudrakhsa. if one were to blindly > count the seeds within, lo, you can find a zero seed nirakar > rudraksha as well 100 seeds within a 14mukhi rudraksha and sell it as > a 100mukhi just because it has 100 seeds within. here the customers > shall care a damn for the external lines which are fewer in number > and shall put weightage only on the inserted extra seeds. the > process is made explicitly simpler since seed based suppliers find a > SUFFICIENTLY NATURALLY FORMED LARGE HOLE in all their rudrakshas.> > the bottomline is simple. i sell rudraksha only on the basis of the > way a rudraksha to be identified as ordained by ALL scriptures.> > if others wish to sell on new theories of some invisible things by > subjecting the holy gods under a radiation test, they are at liberty > to do so. the problem here is that they shall not try to paint the > shastras in poor light and those selling rudraksha only based on > shastra ordained identification rules as primitive and outdated.> > anyway, it is all a matter of faith that the rudraksha itself > represent lord shiva and is treated as lord shiva and it is never > sold as a commodity. those who treat it as a commodity sell it as a > commodity with certificates, tests, et all. an image of god is seen > as god and is not sold as a commodity. its value lies in the faith > that it is god and similarly rudraksha which are botanical seeds are > bought not as vegetables that commodity sellers sell but because of > treating them as divine.> > lastly, your finding comfort in using the rudraksha powder and > rudraksha oil as holy and divine is based on the logic that it is > extracted not from live rudraksha but from naturally dried, dead, > bursted, broken, exposed rudraksha and or its seeds. for those who > do treat rudraksha as a commodity, this theory sounds logical but for > those who rever rudraksha as god like me, it is simply unimaginable > for applying such dried, dead, bursted, broken forms of rudraksha > crushed and beaten to produce some usable commodity as oil and powder.> > the bottomline is very simple. here are two types of sellers of > rudraksha. one those who treat it as god. other who treat it as a > commodity. you heard stories of how theists find god in stones and > athiests find stones just as stones.> > if members are sour at reading these two different ways of treating > and selling rudraksha, i would rest my case under those who treat > rudraksha as god and sell them as god embodiments. if others sell it > as perishable commodity, they are at liberty to do so.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy .com> > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ > > wrote:> >> > Dear Rajiv Krishna Dasa,> > > > Hare Krishna> > > > Thank you very much for providing the information about how > medicine is made from naturally dried seeds of these Himalayan beads, > this was very comforting to know.> > > > These are the following available references from Shastra* about > hole in Rudrakshas:> > > > Shiva Purana Chapter 25, Verse 23:> > > > "That which has a natural hole from end to end is the most > excellent; that which is bored through by human effort is the > middling one."> > > > Jabalopanishad > > > > "If> > rudraksha has a natural hole at the appropriate place then it is > best.> > If the hold is made by force then it is medium quality rudraksha."> > > > Srimad Devi Bhagavatam> > > > Chapter 7, 1-4.> > > > Those Rudraksha that have their holes by nature running through and > through are best; and those that have have their holes pierces by men > are middling."> > > > * These verses translated by KN Seetha, Power of Rudraksha 2nd > expanded Edition> > > > It> > is my own limited personal experience that in some beads you have to> > use a lot of force (or patience) to carefully get the natural stalk > like material out from> > the centre of the bead, which in some cases could include> > drilling with a machine. You can drill with a toothpick or needle, > or a drill machine. The scriptural statement "made by force" is > definitely a very> > broad term which would allow careful drilling. > > > > Also in 2006 I was told> > wholeseller/ retailer Mukunda Khatiwada of Nepa Rudraksha in > Kathmandu> > that most 4, 5 and 6 Mukhi Nepali beads have strong seal on the > bottom which> > require drill machine. Can anyone confirm this?> > > > Again again, the point is that Shastra never talk about seeds > ANYWHERE, they always refer to the number of mukhi lines to determine > what is the power of the bead, so this notion of equal seeds/mukhi > lines is not supported by Shastra. > > > > Thanks,> > > > Y/S, Ole> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Shaligram Shala <shaligram8@ ...>> > sacred-objects> > Thursday, 1 January, 2009 5:57:52> > Re: Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin > Rudrakshas> > > > > > Hare Krishna Members, > > Please accept my best wishes, all glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga, > all glories to all the devotees of the Lord.> > I wanted to finish on to this discussion, but just new topics keep > coming and confusions are created because of ignorance and no > knowledge on the subject. But trying to prove > > some how or the other that one is right with illogical thought > process.> > > > The Nepali bead Rudraksha has a internal structure such that the > centre part inside the bead is weak and can easily be pierced thro > the wire WITHOUT DRILLING. The seeds are towards the middle or > towards the periphery on each bead and they dont come on the way > under any circumstances while piercing the bead for capping thro the > centre.> > Yes if the bead is deformed then the seeds can come on the way. But > by experience any person can found out whether the bead is well > formed or not and reject those beads which are liable to have this > problem. But ofcourse all these rejected beads are sold at the lesser > price so few Suppliers are attracted to it to generate more profits.> > > > Secondly I want to ask a simple uestion from the members that which > the energy Srot ( energy part) in any Rudrakshas. I mean whether it > is The SEEDS or the MUKHS ? Pl answer this question rartionally. In > my view it is seeds and not Mukhs as Mukhs are merely the channels to > take the energy given by the seeds. So the seeds have to equal and > complete as per the Mukhs or not??? So if you are wearing a bead > which is not tested for > > same no. of seeds vis a vis Mukhs, then you will not get the effect > of that Mukhi bead. > > It is amply clear that several well developed beads too have lesser > seeds than Mukhs. But will take that bead and assume that that is say > 8 Mukhi when the seeds inside are 6 or 7. Do you think that such a > bead will give you same effect as a bead with 8 seeds and 8 > Mukhs ??? So pl ponder on this. In my view you should go for well > tested beads than to believe suppliers who actually themselves > does'nt know what they are giving to you, in that how many seeds have > damaged due to DRILLING and making you wear injured GOD who will > actually curse you then to bless you. So be careful and be rational..> > > > Now lastly one gentleman has assumed that normal Rudrakshas or > their seeds are crushed to make powder or things like that. Does he > really know the procedure of making powder and other things out of > Rudrakshas ??? or firing like a miss guided, ill informed > > missile which is directionless and does't know what is head and > tail and ultimately gets blasted with the same missile himself.> > > > For the knowledge of members the Rudraksha powder or other > products are made from the natural dried up seeds. Normally the > seeds are slightly wet inside the bead. In the interior of HIMALAYAS > there are several places which are not inhabitated by the humans and > there also are several trees of Rudrakshas. There beads especially > the lower Mukhs like 3 Mukjhi, 4 Mukhi and 5 Mukhi 6 Mukhis are left > there only higher mukhs are taken due to weight constraint. These > Rudrakshas dries up naturally and their Mukhs opens up naturally and > the dried seeds comes out. Now these seeds are collected for making > the Rudrakshas products.> > I want to further submit that for making Rudrakshas beads products > the wet bead can never be used, it is only naturally dried beads > which can be used. > > > > I hope this clarifies the doubt which is created by knwledgeless > suppliers.> > > > I hereby again reitreate and caution Rudrakshas lovers that pl be > beware of suppliers which deal in low quality beads and give damaged > beads to the devotees and sell Rs. 2000 crippled so called one mukhi > with 4 or 5 seeds inside for a Lakhs and cheat the devotees by self > styled so called energisation of beads for their own benefit.> > > > Om Shanti Shanti Shanti > > > > I hope this will help,> > Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev Namaha> > I beg to remain yours in the humble service of the Lord and His > devotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day,> > Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the service of Their > Lordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram,> > Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu,> > Shri Swayamvyakta- Shaligram- Silas Arpanam Astu, > > Thanks and Regards, > > Haribol, > > Rajiv Krishna Dasa,> > WWW.SHALIGRAM. COM> > 00 91 9322646421> > 00 91 9322646420> > 0091 22 24459616> > salagram8 > > shaligram8 > > Address> > 105, Hammersmith Industrial Estate,> > Narayan Pathare Marg,> > Off Shitla Devi Temple Road, Mahim, Mumbai 400037 > > Maharashtra (India )> > > > --- On Wed, 31/12/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > wrote:> > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ >> > Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin > Rudrakshas> > sacred-objects> > Wednesday, 31 December, 2008, 10:02 AM> > > > > > dear friends> > > > very few members like you wish to discuss on the subject rudraksha > > whereas few have one and only objective of criticising other > > suppliers in their oneupmanship. members are all intelligent enough > > to understand the validity of xray test and how they find and count > > 21 seeds in an xray.> > > > all rudraksha buyers and suppliers are aware of several mukhis of > > nepalese rudraksha especially highers having their top portion > > closed. all rudraksha wholesellers from nepal as well as these very > > people are aware of this but just to criticise me they are giving > > bold certificates to themselves that all their rudraksha have > natural > > holes and that their rejected rudraksha are bought by all other > > suppliers. they are conveniently forgetting that shivapurana > > describes rudraksha with a hole bored through human effort is > > recommended as middling for wearing and to get benefits. it is only > > bold sacrilege on part of these people to say that humanly holed > > rudraksha are like damaging and putting a hole in the forehead even > > when shivapurana has mentioned and approved of it.> > > > it is the height of hypocricy and false selfglorification > > certificates to themselves that they dont drill holes in rudraksha, > > because these same people are selling rudraksha powder and > rudraksha > > oil and i have seen them physically selling these rudraksha powder > > and oil in exhibitions in various cities. going by their latest > mail > > of drilling a hole in forehead and damaging the god, it is common > > sense for any sane member to imagine how many rudrakshas these > people > > have killed, crushed, grounded, pounded, beaten and extracted oil > and > > powder from them. may be these people have double talk to say that > > drilling a hole is damaging and holing the god while crushing and > > killing and making it into an altogether new product like powder > and > > oil is not killing the god.> > > > with best wishes and blessings> > pandit arjun> > www.rudraksharemedy .com> > > > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ > > > wrote:> > >> > > Bottom line here is that Shastra says you CAN drill through beads > > which has no natural hole, (Shiva Purana, Rudraksha Jabalopanishad) > > so there is no valid argument against this at all !! Unless perhaps > > you damage the bead in some gross way... About X-rays is more of a > > philosophical question. There are cosmic, natural and manmade rays > > everywhere. I dont suspect that xrays would harm the power of a > bead > > at all. Since shastra give no advice about checking beads > internally > > for matching number of internal seeds with lines, but only count > the > > lines, I am not so concerned about this, unless one checking rare > > beads which could be fake. However, to verify the THEORY that > genuine > > beads ALWAYS have SAME number of SEEDS inside as LINES should be > > PROVEN!> > > > > > Happy New Year to All! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > bala_songyi <balasongyi@ ...>> > > sacred-objects> > > Wednesday, 31 December, 2008 10:48:23> > > Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin > > Rudrakshas> > > > > > > > > Dear sirs> > > Damaged God or Goddess in Rudraksha ??? ° interesting °> > > > > > What about IRRADATION of the Gods in rudraksha via X-RAYS ???> > > > > > We do not touch or eat irradiated foods ,,,, due to damaged > > > nuclearation> > > > > > any comments ::::::> > > > > > sacred-objects, Shaligram Shala > > > <shaligram8@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Hare Krishna Dear Members, > > > > Thanks for your mail Prabhu. Please accept my best wishes, all > > > glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga, all glories to all the devotees > > of > > > the Lord..> > > > > > > > The Nepalese origin Rudraksha beads have aÃÆ'‚ NATURAL > HOLEÃÆ'‚ > > whether > > > it is 2 Mukhi round or 3 Mukhi or 4 Mukhi or 8 Mukhi or 9 Mukhi > or > > > 10 , 11, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19 and 21 Mukhi. Pl include thoseÃÆ'‚ > Mukhs > > > also which I have missed. > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > We actually reject those Rudrakshas in which we suspect that > > > naturally the wire would not go inside. But unfortunately few > > > Rudraksha suppliers buy those beads only and then drill the hole > in > > > them mercilessly and sell them as injured God. > > > > It is just equivalent to drilling hole on your forehead and > > feeling > > > good about it and assuming that drilled out damaged bead will do > > good > > > to you !!! Good Theory !!!> > > > Now I am able to understand how the inner seeds can be damaged, > > > very simple, once you drill the bead, naturally something is > forced > > > inside the auspicious bead and the bead gets damaged by the > > Rudraksha > > > Supplier. > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > I think this action is worse than selling so called Eka Mukhi > > > crippled Rudrakshas which have 4 or 5 seeds inside and only one > > Mukh > > > seen from the surface.> > > > My self, my father and other my relatives who are dealing in > > > Rudrakshas since last 20 years were equally amused like I > gotÃÆ'‚ > > amused > > > reading the mail. > > > > No doubtÃÆ'‚ his Rudrakshas suppliers are world class which > gives > > the > > > best rejected beads in the world.... > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > I have uploded the X Ray pictures of so called Eka Mukhi wioth > 4 > > or > > > 5 seeds inside on my website www.shaligram. com for the views to > > see > > > and decide whether they would like to wear such Eka Mukhi > > Rudrakshas > > > in their life.. I am forwarding the link for easy viewing:> > > > http://www.shaligra m.com/rudraksha/ 1mukhi.php> > > > > > > > I hope this will help,> > > > Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev Namaha> > > > I beg to remain yours in the humble service of the Lord and His > > > devotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day,> > > > Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the service of Their > > > Lordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram,> > > > Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu,> > > > Shri Swayamvyakta- Shaligram- Silas Arpanam Astu, > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > Haribol, > > > > Rajiv Krishna Dasa,> > > > WWW.SHALIGRAM. COM> > > > 00 91 9322646421> > > > 00 91 9322646420> > > > 0091 22 24459616> > > > salagram8@ .> > > > shaligram8@ ..> > > > Address> > > > 105, Hammersmith Industrial Estate,> > > > Narayan Pathare Marg,> > > > Off Shitla Devi Temple Road, Mahim, Mumbai 400037 > > > > Maharashtra (India )> > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 29/12/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ....> > > wrote:> > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...>> > > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol dana> > > > sacred-objects> > > > Monday, 29 December, 2008, 2:23 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear phadkeji> > > > > > > > thanks for your response and to observation of all members that > > > > perfectly round two mukhi like 4,5 or 6 mukhi rudrakhsa is > > rarest. > > > > yes, as you rightly pointed out nepalese mildly pear shaped two > > > mukhi > > > > rudraksha too is rare.> > > > > > > > another issue on which i request your response is whether all > > > > nepalese rudraksha have natural hole. shivpurana states that > > those > > > > rudraksha which have a natural hole from one end to other end > are > > > > most excellent and that those rudraksha which are bored through > > > human > > > > efforts are middling. recently some members went overboard in > > > > declaring or certifying as if they are the best judges on > > rudraksha > > > > that ALL NEPALESE RUDRAKSHA HAVE A NATURAL HOLE, nay, rather > they > > > > were amused and found funny for me being a rudraksha seller is > > > > unaware of it.> > > > > > > > the truth as it stands as seen by those very critical members, > > > > myself, any other human or any other machine remains the same > on > > > the > > > > following:> > > > > > > > 1. there is no rule that all nepalese rudraksha must have a > > natural > > > > hole.> > > > > > > > 2. most two mukhi nepalese rudraksha, especially the small > sized > > > > ones, do not have a natural hole from one end to other end.> > > > > > > > 3. most higher mukhi rudrakshas of 8 to 14 mukhi from nepal do > > not > > > > have a natural hole from one end to another end and most (if > not > > > all) > > > > of them have the top portion closed.> > > > > > > > can you kindly give your comments on the above.> > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > pandit arjun> > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com> > > > > > > > sacred-objects@ . . com, chandrashekhar > phadke > > > > <chphadke@ .> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Shri. Arjuna ji,> > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > I have mentioned that the 2 mukhi Nepal beadÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > of my > > collection > > > is > > > > pear shaped (i.e. slightly papillate in the peduncle region) > > > similar > > > > to the giant sized three mukhi Nepal bead.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ The > 2 mukhi > > Nepal > > > bead > > > > of my collection is not perfectly round like 4, 5 or 6 > > mukhi.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > The 2 > > > > mukhi Nepal rudraksha are generally square and oblong.ÃÆ'Æ'â> €šÃÆ'‚ > > Pear > > > shaped > > > > 2 mukhi beads are rarely seen.> > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > With best wishes,> > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke.> > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 24/12/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...>> > > > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol dana> > > > > sacred-objects> > > > > Wednesday, 24 December, 2008, 5:03 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear phadkeji> > > > > > > > > > till date i was not fortunate to see a perfectly round two > > mukhi > > > > like > > > > > the regular 4, 5 or 6 mukhi. could you kindly upload a photo > of > > > it > > > > > in the group if you have.> > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com> > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, chandrashekhar > phadke > > > > > <chphadke@ .> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Ole,> > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > The round two mukhi Nepal bead which I have inÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢> > €šÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ my > > > collection > > > > > isÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ similar to giant 3 > mukhi Nepal rudraksha > > i.e.. pear > > > shaped > > > > bead.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > The other roundÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ two > mukhi Nepal bead I had > > seen was > > > similar to > > > > > round 4 mukhi regular grade bead.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â> €šÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > Thanking you and with best wishes,> > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke> > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 23/12/08, alstrup <alstrup@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > alstrup <alstrup@ >> > > > > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol dana> > > > > > sacred-objects> > > > > > Tuesday, 23 December, 2008, 2:49 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have seen a lot of 2 mukhis on photos, certain beads will > > > appear> > > > > > round from one side, besides top and bottom. Some beads are > > more> > > > > > roundish than others. How round do you want it? I have > never > > > seen> > > > > > really round beads above 12 mukhi.> > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "panditarjun2004"> > > > > > <panditarjun2004@ ....> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > dear richardji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > your observation is correct that round dvi mukh rudraksha > > > from > > > > > nepal > > > > > > > is as rare as gol ek mukhi rudraksha from nepal. i may > not > > be > > > > > > > exaggerating if i say that round two mukhi rudrakhsa is > > rarer > > > > > than > > > > > > > round one mukhi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > till date i could get only small sized genuine nepalese > two > > > > mukh > > > > > > > rudraksha and am not yet fortunate to lay my hands on a > > round > > > > two > > > > > > > mukhi rudraksha from nepal.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > if any rudraksha sellers are having round two mukhi > > rudraksha > > > > > with > > > > > > > them, they are requested to kindly share that photograph > in > > > the > > > > > group > > > > > > > as i appreciate publicly that it is much rarer than round > > ek > > > > > mukhi so > > > > > > > much so that i failed to get such round two mukhi in the > > past > > > > few > > > > > > > years.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 dear friend perhaps i shall reiterate one more time to all members that i sell only one to fourteen mukh rudraksha. it is others (not me) who sell any number of mukhis rudraksha from zero to anymukh and onus is on them to substantiate them. similarly onus is on those nirakar bead sellers to show no single seed inside in their xray theories. in view of the above, please do not ask me to throw light on your way of selling seed based rudraksha like you repeatedly said that your ek mukhi has only one seed in it. yes, i do tell my customers about the futility of seed theory and you are at liberty to do your own way and so am i. since i never laid my hands on a rudraksha higher than 14mukhi it is for those who sell upto 28 and some even upto 32mukh to substatiate their seeds or validation and am least bothered. it is in this context that i commented that such suppliers are capable of selling even higher mukhis upto 100 mukhis. sometime ago some sellers were selling gaurishankar which is two rudrakshas joined together. later they started selling gauripath or trijuti where three rudrakshas are joined. then i commented that soon you would find chaturbrahma and panchaparameshwar and lo these suppliers are selling these four and five beads together. so, you shall direct your queries to those people who sell 2,3,4,5 or higher rudrakshas joined together or 28, 32 or even higher mukhi sellers and not me, for my service is limited only to 1 to 14. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com sacred-objects , Shaligram Shala <shaligram8 wrote: > > Hare Krishna Prabhu, > Thanks for your mail Prabhu. Please accept my best wishes, all glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga, all glories to all the devotees of the Lord. >  > Under no circumstances the seeds can come at the centre and obstract the path of natural hole. They are held with in the bead naturally. Pl exlain how you can insert the seeds and remove the seeds without breaking the Rudraksha bead. I am sure quite a few members like me would be interested in seeing this art. Also from where you have learnt this art. What about 100 mukhi rudraksha you were claiming to make ??? Your bank account details to deposit amount for natural 100 mukhi Rudraksha Prabhu??? > Pl reply all this querries ???? or tender a public appology for talking nonsense in this forum. > > I hope this will help, > Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev Namaha > I beg to remain yours in the humble service of the Lord and His devotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day, > Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the service of Their Lordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram, > Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu, > Shri Swayamvyakta-Shaligram-Silas Arpanam Astu, > Thanks and Regards, > Haribol, > Rajiv Krishna Dasa, > WWW.SHALIGRAM.COM > 00 91 9322646421 > 00 91 9322646420 > 0091 22 24459616 > salagram8 > shaligram8 > Address > 105, Hammersmith Industrial Estate, > Narayan Pathare Marg, > Off Shitla Devi Temple Road, Mahim, Mumbai 400037 > Maharashtra (India ) > > --- On Fri, 2/1/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin Rudrakshas > sacred-objects > Friday, 2 January, 2009, 8:43 AM dear phadkeji > > your observations are valued and yes the seeds are supposed to be in > the locules under the cleft. however, many times i have observed in > 12, 13 and 14mukhi large sized beads that a couple of beads come in > the centre instead of tightly holding or stuck inside the locules as > you mentioned. while making gold pendants, a seed or two that are in > the middle and obstructing the passage come out or gently removed > using a needle. hence i opined that seeds can be removed and > inserted. > > i rest my case as i never sell rudraksha on the basis of seeds and am > interested only in the naturally formed mukhis or lines. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > sacred-objects, chandrashekhar phadke > <chphadke@ .> wrote: > > > > Dear Arjuna ji, > >  > > I do not agree with you regarding either insertion or removal of > rudraksha seeds. It is not possible either to insert or remove > seeds from rudraksha, keeping the bead intact. Seeds can be removed > only after breaking the bead. Rudraksha seeds are situated in > locules. These locules are under the cleft or mukhi. One locule > for each cleft as far as Elaeocarpus angustifolius is concerned, i.e. > Nepal or Indonesian rudraksha. Only in case of oval Haridwar > rudraksha whether one mukhi, two mukhi or three mukhi, there is only > sigle locule and one seed in it. One can not insert seeds from > outside in rudraksha locules. In Nepal or Indonesian rudraksha not > all locules develop seeds especially higher mukhi beads. In higher > mukhi beads many times clefts or mukhi are very close to each other, > rarely two clefts share common wall. In such cases there are no seeds > in a perticular locule and locule is also very poorly formed like a > thin slit. It is > > very difficult to interprete rudraksha X-ray. If customer > insists to have rudraksha X-ray showing seeds equal to mukhi then he > has to take only three mukhi to 6 mukhi at the most 7 mukhi > rudraksha. I have personally noticed that even in 5 mukhi bead > sometimes seeds are not well developed and one or two locules are > slitformed and naturally empty. > >  > > Thanking you and with best wishes. > >  > > Chandrashekhar Phadke > > > > --- On Fri, 2/1/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote: > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin > Rudrakshas > > sacred-objects > > Friday, 2 January, 2009, 6:20 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear oleji > > > > your concluding observation is true and ordained by the scriptures > > that the scriptures talk only of faces or lines on the outer > surface. > > > > i can easily demonstrate how seeds can be removed from a rudraksha > > and also seeds can be put into a rudrakhsa. if one were to blindly > > count the seeds within, lo, you can find a zero seed nirakar > > rudraksha as well 100 seeds within a 14mukhi rudraksha and sell it > as > > a 100mukhi just because it has 100 seeds within. here the customers > > shall care a damn for the external lines which are fewer in number > > and shall put weightage only on the inserted extra seeds. the > > process is made explicitly simpler since seed based suppliers find > a > > SUFFICIENTLY NATURALLY FORMED LARGE HOLE in all their rudrakshas. > > > > the bottomline is simple. i sell rudraksha only on the basis of the > > way a rudraksha to be identified as ordained by ALL scriptures. > > > > if others wish to sell on new theories of some invisible things by > > subjecting the holy gods under a radiation test, they are at > liberty > > to do so. the problem here is that they shall not try to paint the > > shastras in poor light and those selling rudraksha only based on > > shastra ordained identification rules as primitive and outdated. > > > > anyway, it is all a matter of faith that the rudraksha itself > > represent lord shiva and is treated as lord shiva and it is never > > sold as a commodity. those who treat it as a commodity sell it as a > > commodity with certificates, tests, et all. an image of god is seen > > as god and is not sold as a commodity. its value lies in the faith > > that it is god and similarly rudraksha which are botanical seeds > are > > bought not as vegetables that commodity sellers sell but because of > > treating them as divine. > > > > lastly, your finding comfort in using the rudraksha powder and > > rudraksha oil as holy and divine is based on the logic that it is > > extracted not from live rudraksha but from naturally dried, dead, > > bursted, broken, exposed rudraksha and or its seeds. for those who > > do treat rudraksha as a commodity, this theory sounds logical but > for > > those who rever rudraksha as god like me, it is simply unimaginable > > for applying such dried, dead, bursted, broken forms of rudraksha > > crushed and beaten to produce some usable commodity as oil and > powder. > > > > the bottomline is very simple. here are two types of sellers of > > rudraksha. one those who treat it as god. other who treat it as a > > commodity. you heard stories of how theists find god in stones and > > athiests find stones just as stones. > > > > if members are sour at reading these two different ways of treating > > and selling rudraksha, i would rest my case under those who treat > > rudraksha as god and sell them as god embodiments. if others sell > it > > as perishable commodity, they are at liberty to do so. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rajiv Krishna Dasa, > > > > > > Hare Krishna > > > > > > Thank you very much for providing the information about how > > medicine is made from naturally dried seeds of these Himalayan > beads, > > this was very comforting to know. > > > > > > These are the following available references from Shastra* about > > hole in Rudrakshas: > > > > > > Shiva Purana Chapter 25, Verse 23: > > > > > > " That which has a natural hole from end to end is the most > > excellent; that which is bored through by human effort is the > > middling one. " > > > > > > Jabalopanishad > > > > > > " If > > > rudraksha has a natural hole at the appropriate place then it is > > best. > > > If the hold is made by force then it is medium quality rudraksha. " > > > > > > Srimad Devi Bhagavatam > > > > > > Chapter 7, 1-4. > > > > > > Those Rudraksha that have their holes by nature running through > and > > through are best; and those that have have their holes pierces by > men > > are middling. " > > > > > > * These verses translated by KN Seetha, Power of Rudraksha 2nd > > expanded Edition > > > > > > It > > > is my own limited personal experience that in some beads you have > to > > > use a lot of force (or patience) to carefully get the natural > stalk > > like material out from > > > the centre of the bead, which in some cases could include > > > drilling with a machine. You can drill with a toothpick or > needle, > > or a drill machine. The scriptural statement " made by force " is > > definitely a very > > > broad term which would allow careful drilling. > > > > > > Also in 2006 I was told > > > wholeseller/ retailer Mukunda Khatiwada of Nepa Rudraksha in > > Kathmandu > > > that most 4, 5 and 6 Mukhi Nepali beads have strong seal on the > > bottom which > > > require drill machine. Can anyone confirm this? > > > > > > Again again, the point is that Shastra never talk about seeds > > ANYWHERE, they always refer to the number of mukhi lines to > determine > > what is the power of the bead, so this notion of equal seeds/mukhi > > lines is not supported by Shastra. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Y/S, Ole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Shaligram Shala <shaligram8@ ...> > > > sacred-objects > > > Thursday, 1 January, 2009 5:57:52 > > > Re: Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin > > Rudrakshas > > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna Members, > > > Please accept my best wishes, all glories to Sri Guru and > Gauranga, > > all glories to all the devotees of the Lord. > > > I wanted to finish on to this discussion, but just new topics > keep > > coming and confusions are created because of ignorance and no > > knowledge on the subject. But trying to prove > > > some how or the other that one is right with illogical thought > > process. > > > > > > The Nepali bead Rudraksha has a internal structure such that the > > centre part inside the bead is weak and can easily be pierced thro > > the wire WITHOUT DRILLING. The seeds are towards the middle or > > towards the periphery on each bead and they dont come on the way > > under any circumstances while piercing the bead for capping thro > the > > centre. > > > Yes if the bead is deformed then the seeds can come on the way. > But > > by experience any person can found out whether the bead is well > > formed or not and reject those beads which are liable to have this > > problem. But ofcourse all these rejected beads are sold at the > lesser > > price so few Suppliers are attracted to it to generate more profits. > > > > > > Secondly I want to ask a simple uestion from the members that > which > > the energy Srot ( energy part) in any Rudrakshas. I mean whether it > > is The SEEDS or the MUKHS ? Pl answer this question rartionally. In > > my view it is seeds and not Mukhs as Mukhs are merely the channels > to > > take the energy given by the seeds. So the seeds have to equal and > > complete as per the Mukhs or not??? So if you are wearing a bead > > which is not tested for > > > same no. of seeds vis a vis Mukhs, then you will not get the > effect > > of that Mukhi bead. > > > It is amply clear that several well developed beads too have > lesser > > seeds than Mukhs. But will take that bead and assume that that is > say > > 8 Mukhi when the seeds inside are 6 or 7. Do you think that such a > > bead will give you same effect as a bead with 8 seeds and 8 > > Mukhs ??? So pl ponder on this. In my view you should go for well > > tested beads than to believe suppliers who actually themselves > > does'nt know what they are giving to you, in that how many seeds > have > > damaged due to DRILLING and making you wear injured GOD who will > > actually curse you then to bless you. So be careful and be rational. > > > > > > Now lastly one gentleman has assumed that normal Rudrakshas or > > their seeds are crushed to make powder or things like that. Does he > > really know the procedure of making powder and other things out of > > Rudrakshas ??? or firing like a miss guided, ill informed > > > missile which is directionless and does't know what is head and > > tail and ultimately gets blasted with the same missile himself. > > > > > > For the knowledge of members the Rudraksha powder or other > > products are made from the natural dried up seeds. Normally the > > seeds are slightly wet inside the bead. In the interior of > HIMALAYAS > > there are several places which are not inhabitated by the humans > and > > there also are several trees of Rudrakshas. There beads especially > > the lower Mukhs like 3 Mukjhi, 4 Mukhi and 5 Mukhi 6 Mukhis are > left > > there only higher mukhs are taken due to weight constraint. These > > Rudrakshas dries up naturally and their Mukhs opens up naturally > and > > the dried seeds comes out. Now these seeds are collected for making > > the Rudrakshas products. > > > I want to further submit that for making Rudrakshas beads > products > > the wet bead can never be used, it is only naturally dried beads > > which can be used. > > > > > > I hope this clarifies the doubt which is created by knwledgeless > > suppliers. > > > > > > I hereby again reitreate and caution Rudrakshas lovers that pl be > > beware of suppliers which deal in low quality beads and give > damaged > > beads to the devotees and sell Rs. 2000 crippled so called one > mukhi > > with 4 or 5 seeds inside for a Lakhs and cheat the devotees by self > > styled so called energisation of beads for their own benefit. > > > > > > Om Shanti Shanti Shanti > > > > > > I hope this will help, > > > Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev Namaha > > > I beg to remain yours in the humble service of the Lord and His > > devotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day, > > > Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the service of Their > > Lordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram, > > > Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu, > > > Shri Swayamvyakta- Shaligram- Silas Arpanam Astu, > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > Haribol, > > > Rajiv Krishna Dasa, > > > WWW.SHALIGRAM. COM > > > 00 91 9322646421 > > > 00 91 9322646420 > > > 0091 22 24459616 > > > salagram8 > > > shaligram8 > > > Address > > > 105, Hammersmith Industrial Estate, > > > Narayan Pathare Marg, > > > Off Shitla Devi Temple Road, Mahim, Mumbai 400037 > > > Maharashtra (India ) > > > > > > --- On Wed, 31/12/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > > > Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin > > Rudrakshas > > > sacred-objects > > > Wednesday, 31 December, 2008, 10:02 AM > > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > very few members like you wish to discuss on the subject > rudraksha > > > whereas few have one and only objective of criticising other > > > suppliers in their oneupmanship. members are all intelligent > enough > > > to understand the validity of xray test and how they find and > count > > > 21 seeds in an xray. > > > > > > all rudraksha buyers and suppliers are aware of several mukhis of > > > nepalese rudraksha especially highers having their top portion > > > closed. all rudraksha wholesellers from nepal as well as these > very > > > people are aware of this but just to criticise me they are giving > > > bold certificates to themselves that all their rudraksha have > > natural > > > holes and that their rejected rudraksha are bought by all other > > > suppliers. they are conveniently forgetting that shivapurana > > > describes rudraksha with a hole bored through human effort is > > > recommended as middling for wearing and to get benefits. it is > only > > > bold sacrilege on part of these people to say that humanly holed > > > rudraksha are like damaging and putting a hole in the forehead > even > > > when shivapurana has mentioned and approved of it. > > > > > > it is the height of hypocricy and false selfglorification > > > certificates to themselves that they dont drill holes in > rudraksha, > > > because these same people are selling rudraksha powder and > > rudraksha > > > oil and i have seen them physically selling these rudraksha > powder > > > and oil in exhibitions in various cities. going by their latest > > mail > > > of drilling a hole in forehead and damaging the god, it is common > > > sense for any sane member to imagine how many rudrakshas these > > people > > > have killed, crushed, grounded, pounded, beaten and extracted oil > > and > > > powder from them. may be these people have double talk to say > that > > > drilling a hole is damaging and holing the god while crushing and > > > killing and making it into an altogether new product like powder > > and > > > oil is not killing the god. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Bottom line here is that Shastra says you CAN drill through > beads > > > which has no natural hole, (Shiva Purana, Rudraksha > Jabalopanishad) > > > so there is no valid argument against this at all !! Unless > perhaps > > > you damage the bead in some gross way... About X-rays is more of > a > > > philosophical question. There are cosmic, natural and manmade > rays > > > everywhere. I dont suspect that xrays would harm the power of a > > bead > > > at all. Since shastra give no advice about checking beads > > internally > > > for matching number of internal seeds with lines, but only count > > the > > > lines, I am not so concerned about this, unless one checking rare > > > beads which could be fake. However, to verify the THEORY that > > genuine > > > beads ALWAYS have SAME number of SEEDS inside as LINES should be > > > PROVEN! > > > > > > > > Happy New Year to All! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > bala_songyi <balasongyi@ ...> > > > > sacred-objects > > > > Wednesday, 31 December, 2008 10:48:23 > > > > Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin > > > Rudrakshas > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear sirs > > > > Damaged God or Goddess in Rudraksha ??? ÃÆ'‚° interesting > ÃÆ'‚° > > > > > > > > What about IRRADATION of the Gods in rudraksha via X-RAYS ??? > > > > > > > > We do not touch or eat irradiated foods ,,,, due to damaged > > > > nuclearation > > > > > > > > any comments :::::: > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, Shaligram Shala > > > > <shaligram8@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna Dear Members, > > > > > Thanks for your mail Prabhu. Please accept my best wishes, > all > > > > glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga, all glories to all the > devotees > > > of > > > > the Lord. > > > > > > > > > > The Nepalese origin Rudraksha beads have aÃÆ'Æ'ââ ‚¬Å¡ NATURAL > > HOLEÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > whether > > > > it is 2 Mukhi round or 3 Mukhi or 4 Mukhi or 8 Mukhi or 9 Mukhi > > or > > > > 10 , 11, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19 and 21 Mukhi. Pl include thoseÃÆ'Æ'â > €š > > Mukhs > > > > also which I have missed. > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > We actually reject those Rudrakshas in which we suspect that > > > > naturally the wire would not go inside. But unfortunately few > > > > Rudraksha suppliers buy those beads only and then drill the > hole > > in > > > > them mercilessly and sell them as injured God. > > > > > It is just equivalent to drilling hole on your forehead and > > > feeling > > > > good about it and assuming that drilled out damaged bead will > do > > > good > > > > to you !!! Good Theory !!! > > > > > Now I am able to understand how the inner seeds can be > damaged, > > > > very simple, once you drill the bead, naturally something is > > forced > > > > inside the auspicious bead and the bead gets damaged by the > > > Rudraksha > > > > Supplier. > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > I think this action is worse than selling so called Eka Mukhi > > > > crippled Rudrakshas which have 4 or 5 seeds inside and only one > > > Mukh > > > > seen from the surface. > > > > > My self, my father and other my relatives who are dealing in > > > > Rudrakshas since last 20 years were equally amused like I > > gotÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > amused > > > > reading the mail. > > > > > No doubtÃÆ'Æ'‚ his Rudrakshas suppliers are world class > which > > gives > > > the > > > > best rejected beads in the world.... > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > I have uploded the X Ray pictures of so called Eka Mukhi > wioth > > 4 > > > or > > > > 5 seeds inside on my website www.shaligram. com for the views > to > > > see > > > > and decide whether they would like to wear such Eka Mukhi > > > Rudrakshas > > > > in their life.. I am forwarding the link for easy viewing: > > > > > http://www.shaligra m.com/rudraksha/ 1mukhi.php > > > > > > > > > > I hope this will help, > > > > > Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev Namaha > > > > > I beg to remain yours in the humble service of the Lord and > His > > > > devotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day, > > > > > Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the service of Their > > > > Lordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram, > > > > > Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu, > > > > > Shri Swayamvyakta- Shaligram- Silas Arpanam Astu, > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > > Haribol, > > > > > Rajiv Krishna Dasa, > > > > > WWW.SHALIGRAM. COM > > > > > 00 91 9322646421 > > > > > 00 91 9322646420 > > > > > 0091 22 24459616 > > > > > salagram8@ . > > > > > shaligram8@ .. > > > > > Address > > > > > 105, Hammersmith Industrial Estate, > > > > > Narayan Pathare Marg, > > > > > Off Shitla Devi Temple Road, Mahim, Mumbai 400037 > > > > > Maharashtra (India ) > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 29/12/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ....> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > > > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol dana > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > Monday, 29 December, 2008, 2:23 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear phadkeji > > > > > > > > > > thanks for your response and to observation of all members > that > > > > > perfectly round two mukhi like 4,5 or 6 mukhi rudrakhsa is > > > rarest. > > > > > yes, as you rightly pointed out nepalese mildly pear shaped > two > > > > mukhi > > > > > rudraksha too is rare. > > > > > > > > > > another issue on which i request your response is whether all > > > > > nepalese rudraksha have natural hole. shivpurana states that > > > those > > > > > rudraksha which have a natural hole from one end to other end > > are > > > > > most excellent and that those rudraksha which are bored > through > > > > human > > > > > efforts are middling. recently some members went overboard in > > > > > declaring or certifying as if they are the best judges on > > > rudraksha > > > > > that ALL NEPALESE RUDRAKSHA HAVE A NATURAL HOLE, nay, rather > > they > > > > > were amused and found funny for me being a rudraksha seller > is > > > > > unaware of it. > > > > > > > > > > the truth as it stands as seen by those very critical > members, > > > > > myself, any other human or any other machine remains the same > > on > > > > the > > > > > following: > > > > > > > > > > 1. there is no rule that all nepalese rudraksha must have a > > > natural > > > > > hole. > > > > > > > > > > 2. most two mukhi nepalese rudraksha, especially the small > > sized > > > > > ones, do not have a natural hole from one end to other end. > > > > > > > > > > 3. most higher mukhi rudrakshas of 8 to 14 mukhi from nepal > do > > > not > > > > > have a natural hole from one end to another end and most (if > > not > > > > all) > > > > > of them have the top portion closed. > > > > > > > > > > can you kindly give your comments on the above. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects@ . . com, chandrashekhar > > phadke > > > > > <chphadke@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Arjuna ji, > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ ‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > I have mentioned that the 2 mukhi Nepal beadÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â > ‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > of my > > > collection > > > > is > > > > > pear shaped (i.e. slightly papillate in the peduncle region) > > > > similar > > > > > to the giant sized three mukhi Nepal bead.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å > ¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ The > > 2 mukhi > > > Nepal > > > > bead > > > > > of my collection is not perfectly round like 4, 5 or 6 > > > mukhi.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ ‚¬Å¡ > > > > The 2 > > > > > mukhi Nepal rudraksha are generally square and > oblong.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ > > €šÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > Pear > > > > shaped > > > > > 2 mukhi beads are rarely seen. > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ ‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > With best wishes, > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ ‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 24/12/08, panditarjun2004 > <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > > > > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol dana > > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > > Wednesday, 24 December, 2008, 5:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear phadkeji > > > > > > > > > > > > till date i was not fortunate to see a perfectly round two > > > mukhi > > > > > like > > > > > > the regular 4, 5 or 6 mukhi. could you kindly upload a > photo > > of > > > > it > > > > > > in the group if you have. > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, chandrashekhar > > phadke > > > > > > <chphadke@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ole, > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢ââ ‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â > ‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > The round two mukhi Nepal bead which I have > inÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ > > > ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'â €¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â €š my > > > > collection > > > > > > isÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢ââ ‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â > ‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ similar to giant 3 > > mukhi Nepal rudraksha > > > i.e.. pear > > > > shaped > > > > > bead.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢ââ ‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ > €šÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > The other roundÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ ÃÆ'¢â > €šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ââ €šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ two > > mukhi Nepal bead I had > > > seen was > > > > similar to > > > > > > round 4 mukhi regular grade bead.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'â € 'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â > €šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ > > €šÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢ââ ‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â > ‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > Thanking you and with best wishes, > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢ââ ‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â > ‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 23/12/08, alstrup <alstrup@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alstrup <alstrup@ > > > > > > > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol dana > > > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > > > Tuesday, 23 December, 2008, 2:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have seen a lot of 2 mukhis on photos, certain beads > will > > > > appear > > > > > > > round from one side, besides top and bottom. Some beads > are > > > more > > > > > > > roundish than others. How round do you want it? I have > > never > > > > seen > > > > > > > really round beads above 12 mukhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects@ . com, " panditarjun2004 " > > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear richardji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your observation is correct that round dvi mukh > rudraksha > > > > from > > > > > > nepal > > > > > > > > is as rare as gol ek mukhi rudraksha from nepal. i may > > not > > > be > > > > > > > > exaggerating if i say that round two mukhi rudrakhsa is > > > rarer > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > round one mukhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > till date i could get only small sized genuine nepalese > > two > > > > > mukh > > > > > > > > rudraksha and am not yet fortunate to lay my hands on a > > > round > > > > > two > > > > > > > > mukhi rudraksha from nepal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if any rudraksha sellers are having round two mukhi > > > rudraksha > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > them, they are requested to kindly share that > photograph > > in > > > > the > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > as i appreciate publicly that it is much rarer than > round > > > ek > > > > > > mukhi so > > > > > > > > much so that i failed to get such round two mukhi in > the > > > past > > > > > few > > > > > > > > years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 Did you hear about the bogus puja objects dealers? Surely someone must have a 2,009 mukhi - special for THIS year. Maybe more!? Y/s, Richard sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear friend > > perhaps i shall reiterate one more time to all members that i sell > only one to fourteen mukh rudraksha. it is others (not me) who sell > any number of mukhis rudraksha from zero to anymukh and onus is on > them to substantiate them. similarly onus is on those nirakar bead > sellers to show no single seed inside in their xray theories. > > in view of the above, please do not ask me to throw light on your way > of selling seed based rudraksha like you repeatedly said that your ek > mukhi has only one seed in it. yes, i do tell my customers about the > futility of seed theory and you are at liberty to do your own way and > so am i. > > since i never laid my hands on a rudraksha higher than 14mukhi it is > for those who sell upto 28 and some even upto 32mukh to substatiate > their seeds or validation and am least bothered. it is in this > context that i commented that such suppliers are capable of selling > even higher mukhis upto 100 mukhis. > > sometime ago some sellers were selling gaurishankar which is two > rudrakshas joined together. later they started selling gauripath or > trijuti where three rudrakshas are joined. then i commented that > soon you would find chaturbrahma and panchaparameshwar and lo these > suppliers are selling these four and five beads together. > > so, you shall direct your queries to those people who sell 2,3,4,5 or > higher rudrakshas joined together or 28, 32 or even higher mukhi > sellers and not me, for my service is limited only to 1 to 14. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > sacred-objects , Shaligram Shala > <shaligram8@> wrote: > > > > Hare Krishna Prabhu, > > Thanks for your mail Prabhu. Please accept my best wishes, all > glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga, all glories to all the devotees of > the Lord. > >  > > Under no circumstances the seeds can come at the centre and > obstract the path of natural hole. They are held with in the bead > naturally. Pl exlain how you can insert the seeds and remove the > seeds without breaking the Rudraksha bead. I am sure quite a few > members like me would be interested in seeing this art. Also from > where you have learnt this art. What about 100 mukhi rudraksha you > were claiming to make ??? Your bank account details to deposit amount > for natural 100 mukhi Rudraksha Prabhu??? > > Pl reply all this querries ???? or tender a public appology for > talking nonsense in this forum. > > > > I hope this will help, > > Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev Namaha > > I beg to remain yours in the humble service of the Lord and His > devotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day, > > Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the service of Their > Lordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram, > > Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu, > > Shri Swayamvyakta-Shaligram-Silas Arpanam Astu, > > Thanks and Regards, > > Haribol, > > Rajiv Krishna Dasa, > > WWW.SHALIGRAM.COM > > 00 91 9322646421 > > 00 91 9322646420 > > 0091 22 24459616 > > salagram8@ > > shaligram8@ > > Address > > 105, Hammersmith Industrial Estate, > > Narayan Pathare Marg, > > Off Shitla Devi Temple Road, Mahim, Mumbai 400037 > > Maharashtra (India ) > > > > --- On Fri, 2/1/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> > > Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin > Rudrakshas > > sacred-objects > > Friday, 2 January, 2009, 8:43 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear phadkeji > > > > your observations are valued and yes the seeds are supposed to be > in > > the locules under the cleft. however, many times i have observed in > > 12, 13 and 14mukhi large sized beads that a couple of beads come in > > the centre instead of tightly holding or stuck inside the locules > as > > you mentioned. while making gold pendants, a seed or two that are > in > > the middle and obstructing the passage come out or gently removed > > using a needle. hence i opined that seeds can be removed and > > inserted. > > > > i rest my case as i never sell rudraksha on the basis of seeds and > am > > interested only in the naturally formed mukhis or lines. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > sacred-objects, chandrashekhar phadke > > <chphadke@ .> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Arjuna ji, > > >  > > > I do not agree with you regarding either insertion or removal of > > rudraksha seeds. It is not possible either to insert or remove > > seeds from rudraksha, keeping the bead intact. Seeds can be > removed > > only after breaking the bead. Rudraksha seeds > are situated in > > locules. These locules are under the cleft or mukhi. One > locule > > for each cleft as far as Elaeocarpus angustifolius is concerned, > i.e. > > Nepal or Indonesian rudraksha. Only in case of oval Haridwar > > rudraksha whether one mukhi, two mukhi or three mukhi, there is > only > > sigle locule and one seed in it. One can not insert seeds from > > outside in rudraksha locules. In Nepal or Indonesian rudraksha > not > > all locules develop seeds especially higher mukhi beads. In > higher > > mukhi beads many times clefts or mukhi are very close to each > other, > > rarely two clefts share common wall. In such cases there are no > seeds > > in a perticular locule and locule is also very poorly formed like a > > thin slit. It is > > > very difficult to interprete rudraksha X-ray. If customer > > insists to have rudraksha X-ray showing seeds equal to mukhi then > he > > has to take only three mukhi to 6 mukhi at the most 7 mukhi > > rudraksha. I have personally noticed that even in 5 mukhi bead > > sometimes seeds are not well developed and one or two locules are > > slitformed and naturally empty. > > >  > > > Thanking you and with best wishes. > > >  > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke > > > > > > --- On Fri, 2/1/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > > Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin > > Rudrakshas > > > sacred-objects > > > Friday, 2 January, 2009, 6:20 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear oleji > > > > > > your concluding observation is true and ordained by the > scriptures > > > that the scriptures talk only of faces or lines on the outer > > surface. > > > > > > i can easily demonstrate how seeds can be removed from a > rudraksha > > > and also seeds can be put into a rudrakhsa. if one were to > blindly > > > count the seeds within, lo, you can find a zero seed nirakar > > > rudraksha as well 100 seeds within a 14mukhi rudraksha and sell > it > > as > > > a 100mukhi just because it has 100 seeds within. here the > customers > > > shall care a damn for the external lines which are fewer in > number > > > and shall put weightage only on the inserted extra seeds. the > > > process is made explicitly simpler since seed based suppliers > find > > a > > > SUFFICIENTLY NATURALLY FORMED LARGE HOLE in all their rudrakshas. > > > > > > the bottomline is simple. i sell rudraksha only on the basis of > the > > > way a rudraksha to be identified as ordained by ALL scriptures. > > > > > > if others wish to sell on new theories of some invisible things > by > > > subjecting the holy gods under a radiation test, they are at > > liberty > > > to do so. the problem here is that they shall not try to paint > the > > > shastras in poor light and those selling rudraksha only based on > > > shastra ordained identification rules as primitive and outdated. > > > > > > anyway, it is all a matter of faith that the rudraksha itself > > > represent lord shiva and is treated as lord shiva and it is never > > > sold as a commodity. those who treat it as a commodity sell it as > a > > > commodity with certificates, tests, et all. an image of god is > seen > > > as god and is not sold as a commodity. its value lies in the > faith > > > that it is god and similarly rudraksha which are botanical seeds > > are > > > bought not as vegetables that commodity sellers sell but because > of > > > treating them as divine. > > > > > > lastly, your finding comfort in using the rudraksha powder and > > > rudraksha oil as holy and divine is based on the logic that it is > > > extracted not from live rudraksha but from naturally dried, dead, > > > bursted, broken, exposed rudraksha and or its seeds. for those > who > > > do treat rudraksha as a commodity, this theory sounds logical but > > for > > > those who rever rudraksha as god like me, it is simply > unimaginable > > > for applying such dried, dead, bursted, broken forms of rudraksha > > > crushed and beaten to produce some usable commodity as oil and > > powder. > > > > > > the bottomline is very simple. here are two types of sellers of > > > rudraksha. one those who treat it as god. other who treat it as a > > > commodity. you heard stories of how theists find god in stones > and > > > athiests find stones just as stones. > > > > > > if members are sour at reading these two different ways of > treating > > > and selling rudraksha, i would rest my case under those who treat > > > rudraksha as god and sell them as god embodiments. if others sell > > it > > > as perishable commodity, they are at liberty to do so. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rajiv Krishna Dasa, > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for providing the information about how > > > medicine is made from naturally dried seeds of these Himalayan > > beads, > > > this was very comforting to know. > > > > > > > > These are the following available references from Shastra* > about > > > hole in Rudrakshas: > > > > > > > > Shiva Purana Chapter 25, Verse 23: > > > > > > > > " That which has a natural hole from end to end is the most > > > excellent; that which is bored through by human effort is the > > > middling one. " > > > > > > > > Jabalopanishad > > > > > > > > " If > > > > rudraksha has a natural hole at the appropriate place then it > is > > > best. > > > > If the hold is made by force then it is medium quality > rudraksha. " > > > > > > > > Srimad Devi Bhagavatam > > > > > > > > Chapter 7, 1-4. > > > > > > > > Those Rudraksha that have their holes by nature running through > > and > > > through are best; and those that have have their holes pierces by > > men > > > are middling. " > > > > > > > > * These verses translated by KN Seetha, Power of Rudraksha 2nd > > > expanded Edition > > > > > > > > It > > > > is my own limited personal experience that in some beads you > have > > to > > > > use a lot of force (or patience) to carefully get the natural > > stalk > > > like material out from > > > > the centre of the bead, which in some cases could include > > > > drilling with a machine. You can drill with a toothpick or > > needle, > > > or a drill machine. The scriptural statement " made by force " is > > > definitely a very > > > > broad term which would allow careful drilling. > > > > > > > > Also in 2006 I was told > > > > wholeseller/ retailer Mukunda Khatiwada of Nepa Rudraksha in > > > Kathmandu > > > > that most 4, 5 and 6 Mukhi Nepali beads have strong seal on the > > > bottom which > > > > require drill machine. Can anyone confirm this? > > > > > > > > Again again, the point is that Shastra never talk about seeds > > > ANYWHERE, they always refer to the number of mukhi lines to > > determine > > > what is the power of the bead, so this notion of equal > seeds/mukhi > > > lines is not supported by Shastra. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Y/S, Ole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Shaligram Shala <shaligram8@ ...> > > > > sacred-objects > > > > Thursday, 1 January, 2009 5:57:52 > > > > Re: Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin > > > Rudrakshas > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna Members, > > > > Please accept my best wishes, all glories to Sri Guru and > > Gauranga, > > > all glories to all the devotees of the Lord. > > > > I wanted to finish on to this discussion, but just new topics > > keep > > > coming and confusions are created because of ignorance and no > > > knowledge on the subject. But trying to prove > > > > some how or the other that one is right with illogical thought > > > process. > > > > > > > > The Nepali bead Rudraksha has a internal structure such that > the > > > centre part inside the bead is weak and can easily be pierced > thro > > > the wire WITHOUT DRILLING. The seeds are towards the middle or > > > towards the periphery on each bead and they dont come on the way > > > under any circumstances while piercing the bead for capping thro > > the > > > centre. > > > > Yes if the bead is deformed then the seeds can come on the way. > > But > > > by experience any person can found out whether the bead is well > > > formed or not and reject those beads which are liable to have > this > > > problem. But ofcourse all these rejected beads are sold at the > > lesser > > > price so few Suppliers are attracted to it to generate more > profits. > > > > > > > > Secondly I want to ask a simple uestion from the members that > > which > > > the energy Srot ( energy part) in any Rudrakshas. I mean whether > it > > > is The SEEDS or the MUKHS ? Pl answer this question rartionally. > In > > > my view it is seeds and not Mukhs as Mukhs are merely the > channels > > to > > > take the energy given by the seeds. So the seeds have to equal > and > > > complete as per the Mukhs or not??? So if you are wearing a bead > > > which is not tested for > > > > same no. of seeds vis a vis Mukhs, then you will not get the > > effect > > > of that Mukhi bead. > > > > It is amply clear that several well developed beads too have > > lesser > > > seeds than Mukhs. But will take that bead and assume that that is > > say > > > 8 Mukhi when the seeds inside are 6 or 7. Do you think that such > a > > > bead will give you same effect as a bead with 8 seeds and 8 > > > Mukhs ??? So pl ponder on this. In my view you should go for well > > > tested beads than to believe suppliers who actually themselves > > > does'nt know what they are giving to you, in that how many seeds > > have > > > damaged due to DRILLING and making you wear injured GOD who will > > > actually curse you then to bless you. So be careful and be > rational. > > > > > > > > Now lastly one gentleman has assumed that normal Rudrakshas or > > > their seeds are crushed to make powder or things like that. Does > he > > > really know the procedure of making powder and other things out > of > > > Rudrakshas ??? or firing like a miss guided, ill informed > > > > missile which is directionless and does't know what is head and > > > tail and ultimately gets blasted with the same missile himself. > > > > > > > > For the knowledge of members the Rudraksha powder or other > > > products are made from the natural dried up seeds. Normally the > > > seeds are slightly wet inside the bead. In the interior of > > HIMALAYAS > > > there are several places which are not inhabitated by the humans > > and > > > there also are several trees of Rudrakshas. There beads > especially > > > the lower Mukhs like 3 Mukjhi, 4 Mukhi and 5 Mukhi 6 Mukhis are > > left > > > there only higher mukhs are taken due to weight constraint. These > > > Rudrakshas dries up naturally and their Mukhs opens up naturally > > and > > > the dried seeds comes out. Now these seeds are collected for > making > > > the Rudrakshas products. > > > > I want to further submit that for making Rudrakshas beads > > products > > > the wet bead can never be used, it is only naturally dried beads > > > which can be used. > > > > > > > > I hope this clarifies the doubt which is created by > knwledgeless > > > suppliers. > > > > > > > > I hereby again reitreate and caution Rudrakshas lovers that pl > be > > > beware of suppliers which deal in low quality beads and give > > damaged > > > beads to the devotees and sell Rs. 2000 crippled so called one > > mukhi > > > with 4 or 5 seeds inside for a Lakhs and cheat the devotees by > self > > > styled so called energisation of beads for their own benefit. > > > > > > > > Om Shanti Shanti Shanti > > > > > > > > I hope this will help, > > > > Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev Namaha > > > > I beg to remain yours in the humble service of the Lord and His > > > devotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day, > > > > Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the service of Their > > > Lordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram, > > > > Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu, > > > > Shri Swayamvyakta- Shaligram- Silas Arpanam Astu, > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > Haribol, > > > > Rajiv Krishna Dasa, > > > > WWW.SHALIGRAM. COM > > > > 00 91 9322646421 > > > > 00 91 9322646420 > > > > 0091 22 24459616 > > > > salagram8 > > > > shaligram8 > > > > Address > > > > 105, Hammersmith Industrial Estate, > > > > Narayan Pathare Marg, > > > > Off Shitla Devi Temple Road, Mahim, Mumbai 400037 > > > > Maharashtra (India ) > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 31/12/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > > > > Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin > > > Rudrakshas > > > > sacred-objects > > > > Wednesday, 31 December, 2008, 10:02 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > very few members like you wish to discuss on the subject > > rudraksha > > > > whereas few have one and only objective of criticising other > > > > suppliers in their oneupmanship. members are all intelligent > > enough > > > > to understand the validity of xray test and how they find and > > count > > > > 21 seeds in an xray. > > > > > > > > all rudraksha buyers and suppliers are aware of several mukhis > of > > > > nepalese rudraksha especially highers having their top portion > > > > closed. all rudraksha wholesellers from nepal as well as these > > very > > > > people are aware of this but just to criticise me they are > giving > > > > bold certificates to themselves that all their rudraksha have > > > natural > > > > holes and that their rejected rudraksha are bought by all other > > > > suppliers. they are conveniently forgetting that shivapurana > > > > describes rudraksha with a hole bored through human effort is > > > > recommended as middling for wearing and to get benefits. it is > > only > > > > bold sacrilege on part of these people to say that humanly > holed > > > > rudraksha are like damaging and putting a hole in the forehead > > even > > > > when shivapurana has mentioned and approved of it. > > > > > > > > it is the height of hypocricy and false selfglorification > > > > certificates to themselves that they dont drill holes in > > rudraksha, > > > > because these same people are selling rudraksha powder and > > > rudraksha > > > > oil and i have seen them physically selling these rudraksha > > powder > > > > and oil in exhibitions in various cities. going by their latest > > > mail > > > > of drilling a hole in forehead and damaging the god, it is > common > > > > sense for any sane member to imagine how many rudrakshas these > > > people > > > > have killed, crushed, grounded, pounded, beaten and extracted > oil > > > and > > > > powder from them. may be these people have double talk to say > > that > > > > drilling a hole is damaging and holing the god while crushing > and > > > > killing and making it into an altogether new product like > powder > > > and > > > > oil is not killing the god. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bottom line here is that Shastra says you CAN drill through > > beads > > > > which has no natural hole, (Shiva Purana, Rudraksha > > Jabalopanishad) > > > > so there is no valid argument against this at all !! Unless > > perhaps > > > > you damage the bead in some gross way... About X-rays is more > of > > a > > > > philosophical question. There are cosmic, natural and manmade > > rays > > > > everywhere. I dont suspect that xrays would harm the power of a > > > bead > > > > at all. Since shastra give no advice about checking beads > > > internally > > > > for matching number of internal seeds with lines, but only > count > > > the > > > > lines, I am not so concerned about this, unless one checking > rare > > > > beads which could be fake. However, to verify the THEORY that > > > genuine > > > > beads ALWAYS have SAME number of SEEDS inside as LINES should > be > > > > PROVEN! > > > > > > > > > > Happy New Year to All! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > bala_songyi <balasongyi@ ...> > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > Wednesday, 31 December, 2008 10:48:23 > > > > > Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin > > > > Rudrakshas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear sirs > > > > > Damaged God or Goddess in Rudraksha ??? ÃÆ'‚° > interesting > > ÃÆ'‚° > > > > > > > > > > What about IRRADATION of the Gods in rudraksha via X-RAYS ??? > > > > > > > > > > We do not touch or eat irradiated foods ,,,, due to damaged > > > > > nuclearation > > > > > > > > > > any comments :::::: > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, Shaligram Shala > > > > > <shaligram8@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna Dear Members, > > > > > > Thanks for your mail Prabhu. Please accept my best wishes, > > all > > > > > glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga, all glories to all the > > devotees > > > > of > > > > > the Lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Nepalese origin Rudraksha beads have aÃÆ'Æ'ââ > ‚¬Å¡ NATURAL > > > HOLEÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > whether > > > > > it is 2 Mukhi round or 3 Mukhi or 4 Mukhi or 8 Mukhi or 9 > Mukhi > > > or > > > > > 10 , 11, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19 and 21 Mukhi. Pl include > thoseÃÆ'Æ'â > > €š > > > Mukhs > > > > > also which I have missed. > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > We actually reject those Rudrakshas in which we suspect > that > > > > > naturally the wire would not go inside. But unfortunately few > > > > > Rudraksha suppliers buy those beads only and then drill the > > hole > > > in > > > > > them mercilessly and sell them as injured God. > > > > > > It is just equivalent to drilling hole on your forehead and > > > > feeling > > > > > good about it and assuming that drilled out damaged bead will > > do > > > > good > > > > > to you !!! Good Theory !!! > > > > > > Now I am able to understand how the inner seeds can be > > damaged, > > > > > very simple, once you drill the bead, naturally something is > > > forced > > > > > inside the auspicious bead and the bead gets damaged by the > > > > Rudraksha > > > > > Supplier. > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > I think this action is worse than selling so called Eka > Mukhi > > > > > crippled Rudrakshas which have 4 or 5 seeds inside and only > one > > > > Mukh > > > > > seen from the surface. > > > > > > My self, my father and other my relatives who are dealing > in > > > > > Rudrakshas since last 20 years were equally amused like I > > > gotÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > amused > > > > > reading the mail. > > > > > > No doubtÃÆ'Æ'‚ his Rudrakshas suppliers are > world class > > which > > > gives > > > > the > > > > > best rejected beads in the world.... > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > I have uploded the X Ray pictures of so called Eka Mukhi > > wioth > > > 4 > > > > or > > > > > 5 seeds inside on my website www.shaligram. com for the views > > to > > > > see > > > > > and decide whether they would like to wear such Eka Mukhi > > > > Rudrakshas > > > > > in their life.. I am forwarding the link for easy viewing: > > > > > > http://www.shaligra m.com/rudraksha/ 1mukhi.php > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this will help, > > > > > > Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev Namaha > > > > > > I beg to remain yours in the humble service of the Lord and > > His > > > > > devotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day, > > > > > > Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the service of Their > > > > > Lordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram, > > > > > > Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu, > > > > > > Shri Swayamvyakta- Shaligram- Silas Arpanam Astu, > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > > > Haribol, > > > > > > Rajiv Krishna Dasa, > > > > > > WWW.SHALIGRAM. COM > > > > > > 00 91 9322646421 > > > > > > 00 91 9322646420 > > > > > > 0091 22 24459616 > > > > > > salagram8@ . > > > > > > shaligram8@ .. > > > > > > Address > > > > > > 105, Hammersmith Industrial Estate, > > > > > > Narayan Pathare Marg, > > > > > > Off Shitla Devi Temple Road, Mahim, Mumbai 400037 > > > > > > Maharashtra (India ) > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 29/12/08, panditarjun2004 > <panditarjun2004@ ....> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > > > > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol dana > > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > > Monday, 29 December, 2008, 2:23 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear phadkeji > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for your response and to observation of all members > > that > > > > > > perfectly round two mukhi like 4,5 or 6 mukhi rudrakhsa is > > > > rarest. > > > > > > yes, as you rightly pointed out nepalese mildly pear shaped > > two > > > > > mukhi > > > > > > rudraksha too is rare. > > > > > > > > > > > > another issue on which i request your response is whether > all > > > > > > nepalese rudraksha have natural hole. shivpurana states > that > > > > those > > > > > > rudraksha which have a natural hole from one end to other > end > > > are > > > > > > most excellent and that those rudraksha which are bored > > through > > > > > human > > > > > > efforts are middling. recently some members went overboard > in > > > > > > declaring or certifying as if they are the best judges on > > > > rudraksha > > > > > > that ALL NEPALESE RUDRAKSHA HAVE A NATURAL HOLE, nay, > rather > > > they > > > > > > were amused and found funny for me being a rudraksha seller > > is > > > > > > unaware of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > the truth as it stands as seen by those very critical > > members, > > > > > > myself, any other human or any other machine remains the > same > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > > following: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. there is no rule that all nepalese rudraksha must have a > > > > natural > > > > > > hole. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. most two mukhi nepalese rudraksha, especially the small > > > sized > > > > > > ones, do not have a natural hole from one end to other end. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. most higher mukhi rudrakshas of 8 to 14 mukhi from nepal > > do > > > > not > > > > > > have a natural hole from one end to another end and most > (if > > > not > > > > > all) > > > > > > of them have the top portion closed. > > > > > > > > > > > > can you kindly give your comments on the above. > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects@ . . com, chandrashekhar > > > phadke > > > > > > <chphadke@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Arjuna ji, > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ > ‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > I have mentioned that the 2 mukhi Nepal > beadÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â > > ‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > of my > > > > collection > > > > > is > > > > > > pear shaped (i.e. slightly papillate in the peduncle > region) > > > > > similar > > > > > > to the giant sized three mukhi Nepal > bead.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å > > ¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ The > > > 2 mukhi > > > > Nepal > > > > > bead > > > > > > of my collection is not perfectly round like 4, 5 or 6 > > > > mukhi.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ > ‚¬Å¡ > > > > > The 2 > > > > > > mukhi Nepal rudraksha are generally square and > > oblong.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ > > > €šÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > Pear > > > > > shaped > > > > > > 2 mukhi beads are rarely seen. > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ > ‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > With best wishes, > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ > ‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 24/12/08, panditarjun2004 > > <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > > > > > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol dana > > > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > > > Wednesday, 24 December, 2008, 5:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear phadkeji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > till date i was not fortunate to see a perfectly round > two > > > > mukhi > > > > > > like > > > > > > > the regular 4, 5 or 6 mukhi. could you kindly upload a > > photo > > > of > > > > > it > > > > > > > in the group if you have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, chandrashekhar > > > phadke > > > > > > > <chphadke@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ole, > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢ââ > ‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â > > ‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > The round two mukhi Nepal bead which I have > > inÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ > > > > ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'â > €¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â > €š my > > > > > collection > > > > > > > isÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢ââ > ‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â > > ‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ similar to giant 3 > > > mukhi Nepal rudraksha > > > > i.e.. pear > > > > > shaped > > > > > > bead.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢ââ > ‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ > > €šÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > The other roundÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ > ÃÆ'¢â > > €šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ââ > €šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ two > > > mukhi Nepal bead I had > > > > seen was > > > > > similar to > > > > > > > round 4 mukhi regular grade bead.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'â > € 'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â > > €šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ > > > €šÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢ââ > ‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â > > ‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > Thanking you and with best wishes, > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢ââ > ‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â > > ‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 23/12/08, alstrup <alstrup@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alstrup <alstrup@ > > > > > > > > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol dana > > > > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 23 December, 2008, 2:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have seen a lot of 2 mukhis on photos, certain beads > > will > > > > > appear > > > > > > > > round from one side, besides top and bottom. Some beads > > are > > > > more > > > > > > > > roundish than others. How round do you want it? 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Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 dear richardji firslty, i never sold a gaurishankar bead since i did not find its mention or substantiation in puranas. if others have these references, my best wishes to them and i have nothing to say negative about them. but over the years, trijuti, chaturbrahma, pancha parameshwar have started making appearance and then if we apply objective type answer, we may expect shanmukha rudraksha i.e. six rudrakshas joined together representing lord shanmuga or kartikeya soon by these sellers. if at a future date we find seven rudrakshas joined together, then we may search for that god which has seven faces so on and so forth. before others demanding on me to comment more on these rudraksha, let them be known that i never laid my hands on any 2,3,4,5 or other rudrkashas joined together. secondly, for several years the typical fake ek mukh rudraksha sold everywhere in india was the one having a serpant, a trident, a shivling and some have even the bull or nandi. those years round ek mukh rudraksha was not at all available and i too failed to get one despite best approach to all rudraksha suppliers in nepal. later years, one famous trusted wholeseller from nepal posted few photographs of round ek mukh rudraksha in his website and it is since then that these NATURALLY FORMED ONE LINE round ek mukh rudraksha were being made available by most wholesellers from nepal. today we are seeing various round ek mukh rudraksha containg various symbols and designs and dieties made available by the best known suppliers. here too, my take is simple and that i sell only those round ek mukh rudraksh only on the basis of a naturally formed one single line from top to bottom. then we have been seeing various other rudrakshas of ganesh, nag and other shapes. then we are also seeing various om shaped rudraksha too. then we also heard about the nirakar or rudraksha with no lines at all i.e. zero mukh. then the entire country is already flooded with the crescent shaped natural as well as synthetic ekmukh rudraksha which is finding a place in almsot all houses in india. with such diverse choices of shapes, designs, symbols and all sorts of rudraksha available, it is the public who are the gods or judges to get what they want and in this vast market of rudrkshas of several designs, shapes, symbols, dieties and other extra portions on the rudraksha made available by all leading suppliers, i am a tiny fish in this rudraksha market who sell only round 1 to 14mukh rudrakshas that too purely on the basis of naturally formed external lines and hence have no knowledge as other have pointed out about any rudraksha other than the 1 to 14 round nepalese. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66 wrote: > > Did you hear about the bogus puja objects dealers? Surely someone must > have a 2,009 mukhi - special for THIS year. Maybe more!? Y/s, Richard > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear friend > > > > perhaps i shall reiterate one more time to all members that i sell > > only one to fourteen mukh rudraksha. it is others (not me) who sell > > any number of mukhis rudraksha from zero to anymukh and onus is on > > them to substantiate them. similarly onus is on those nirakar bead > > sellers to show no single seed inside in their xray theories. > > > > in view of the above, please do not ask me to throw light on your way > > of selling seed based rudraksha like you repeatedly said that your ek > > mukhi has only one seed in it. yes, i do tell my customers about the > > futility of seed theory and you are at liberty to do your own way and > > so am i. > > > > since i never laid my hands on a rudraksha higher than 14mukhi it is > > for those who sell upto 28 and some even upto 32mukh to substatiate > > their seeds or validation and am least bothered. it is in this > > context that i commented that such suppliers are capable of selling > > even higher mukhis upto 100 mukhis. > > > > sometime ago some sellers were selling gaurishankar which is two > > rudrakshas joined together. later they started selling gauripath or > > trijuti where three rudrakshas are joined. then i commented that > > soon you would find chaturbrahma and panchaparameshwar and lo these > > suppliers are selling these four and five beads together. > > > > so, you shall direct your queries to those people who sell 2,3,4,5 or > > higher rudrakshas joined together or 28, 32 or even higher mukhi > > sellers and not me, for my service is limited only to 1 to 14. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > sacred-objects , Shaligram Shala > > <shaligram8@> wrote: > > > > > > Hare Krishna Prabhu, > > > Thanks for your mail Prabhu. Please accept my best wishes, all > > glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga, all glories to all the devotees of > > the Lord. > > >  > > > Under no circumstances the seeds can come at the centre and > > obstract the path of natural hole. They are held with in the bead > > naturally. Pl exlain how you can insert the seeds and remove the > > seeds without breaking the Rudraksha bead. I am sure quite a few > > members like me would be interested in seeing this art. Also from > > where you have learnt this art. What about 100 mukhi rudraksha you > > were claiming to make ??? Your bank account details to deposit amount > > for natural 100 mukhi Rudraksha Prabhu??? > > > Pl reply all this querries ???? or tender a public appology for > > talking nonsense in this forum. > > > > > > I hope this will help, > > > Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev Namaha > > > I beg to remain yours in the humble service of the Lord and His > > devotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day, > > > Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the service of Their > > Lordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram, > > > Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu, > > > Shri Swayamvyakta-Shaligram-Silas Arpanam Astu, > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > Haribol, > > > Rajiv Krishna Dasa, > > > WWW.SHALIGRAM.COM > > > 00 91 9322646421 > > > 00 91 9322646420 > > > 0091 22 24459616 > > > salagram8@ > > > shaligram8@ > > > Address > > > 105, Hammersmith Industrial Estate, > > > Narayan Pathare Marg, > > > Off Shitla Devi Temple Road, Mahim, Mumbai 400037 > > > Maharashtra (India ) > > > > > > --- On Fri, 2/1/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> > > > Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin > > Rudrakshas > > > sacred-objects > > > Friday, 2 January, 2009, 8:43 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear phadkeji > > > > > > your observations are valued and yes the seeds are supposed to be > > in > > > the locules under the cleft. however, many times i have observed in > > > 12, 13 and 14mukhi large sized beads that a couple of beads come in > > > the centre instead of tightly holding or stuck inside the locules > > as > > > you mentioned. while making gold pendants, a seed or two that are > > in > > > the middle and obstructing the passage come out or gently removed > > > using a needle. hence i opined that seeds can be removed and > > > inserted. > > > > > > i rest my case as i never sell rudraksha on the basis of seeds and > > am > > > interested only in the naturally formed mukhis or lines. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > sacred-objects, chandrashekhar phadke > > > <chphadke@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Arjuna ji, > > > >  > > > > I do not agree with you regarding either insertion or removal of > > > rudraksha seeds. It is not possible either to insert or remove > > > seeds from rudraksha, keeping the bead intact. Seeds can be > > removed > > > only after breaking the bead. Rudraksha seeds > > are situated in > > > locules. These locules are under the cleft or mukhi. One > > locule > > > for each cleft as far as Elaeocarpus angustifolius is concerned, > > i.e. > > > Nepal or Indonesian rudraksha. Only in case of oval Haridwar > > > rudraksha whether one mukhi, two mukhi or three mukhi, there is > > only > > > sigle locule and one seed in it. One can not insert seeds from > > > outside in rudraksha locules. In Nepal or Indonesian rudraksha > > not > > > all locules develop seeds especially higher mukhi beads. In > > higher > > > mukhi beads many times clefts or mukhi are very close to each > > other, > > > rarely two clefts share common wall. In such cases there are no > > seeds > > > in a perticular locule and locule is also very poorly formed like a > > > thin slit. It is > > > > very difficult to interprete rudraksha X-ray. If customer > > > insists to have rudraksha X-ray showing seeds equal to mukhi then > > he > > > has to take only three mukhi to 6 mukhi at the most 7 mukhi > > > rudraksha. I have personally noticed that even in 5 mukhi bead > > > sometimes seeds are not well developed and one or two locules are > > > slitformed and naturally empty. > > > >  > > > > Thanking you and with best wishes. > > > >  > > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 2/1/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > > > Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin > > > Rudrakshas > > > > sacred-objects > > > > Friday, 2 January, 2009, 6:20 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear oleji > > > > > > > > your concluding observation is true and ordained by the > > scriptures > > > > that the scriptures talk only of faces or lines on the outer > > > surface. > > > > > > > > i can easily demonstrate how seeds can be removed from a > > rudraksha > > > > and also seeds can be put into a rudrakhsa. if one were to > > blindly > > > > count the seeds within, lo, you can find a zero seed nirakar > > > > rudraksha as well 100 seeds within a 14mukhi rudraksha and sell > > it > > > as > > > > a 100mukhi just because it has 100 seeds within. here the > > customers > > > > shall care a damn for the external lines which are fewer in > > number > > > > and shall put weightage only on the inserted extra seeds. the > > > > process is made explicitly simpler since seed based suppliers > > find > > > a > > > > SUFFICIENTLY NATURALLY FORMED LARGE HOLE in all their rudrakshas. > > > > > > > > the bottomline is simple. i sell rudraksha only on the basis of > > the > > > > way a rudraksha to be identified as ordained by ALL scriptures. > > > > > > > > if others wish to sell on new theories of some invisible things > > by > > > > subjecting the holy gods under a radiation test, they are at > > > liberty > > > > to do so. the problem here is that they shall not try to paint > > the > > > > shastras in poor light and those selling rudraksha only based on > > > > shastra ordained identification rules as primitive and outdated. > > > > > > > > anyway, it is all a matter of faith that the rudraksha itself > > > > represent lord shiva and is treated as lord shiva and it is never > > > > sold as a commodity. those who treat it as a commodity sell it as > > a > > > > commodity with certificates, tests, et all. an image of god is > > seen > > > > as god and is not sold as a commodity. its value lies in the > > faith > > > > that it is god and similarly rudraksha which are botanical seeds > > > are > > > > bought not as vegetables that commodity sellers sell but because > > of > > > > treating them as divine. > > > > > > > > lastly, your finding comfort in using the rudraksha powder and > > > > rudraksha oil as holy and divine is based on the logic that it is > > > > extracted not from live rudraksha but from naturally dried, dead, > > > > bursted, broken, exposed rudraksha and or its seeds. for those > > who > > > > do treat rudraksha as a commodity, this theory sounds logical but > > > for > > > > those who rever rudraksha as god like me, it is simply > > unimaginable > > > > for applying such dried, dead, bursted, broken forms of rudraksha > > > > crushed and beaten to produce some usable commodity as oil and > > > powder. > > > > > > > > the bottomline is very simple. here are two types of sellers of > > > > rudraksha. one those who treat it as god. other who treat it as a > > > > commodity. you heard stories of how theists find god in stones > > and > > > > athiests find stones just as stones. > > > > > > > > if members are sour at reading these two different ways of > > treating > > > > and selling rudraksha, i would rest my case under those who treat > > > > rudraksha as god and sell them as god embodiments. if others sell > > > it > > > > as perishable commodity, they are at liberty to do so. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajiv Krishna Dasa, > > > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for providing the information about how > > > > medicine is made from naturally dried seeds of these Himalayan > > > beads, > > > > this was very comforting to know. > > > > > > > > > > These are the following available references from Shastra* > > about > > > > hole in Rudrakshas: > > > > > > > > > > Shiva Purana Chapter 25, Verse 23: > > > > > > > > > > " That which has a natural hole from end to end is the most > > > > excellent; that which is bored through by human effort is the > > > > middling one. " > > > > > > > > > > Jabalopanishad > > > > > > > > > > " If > > > > > rudraksha has a natural hole at the appropriate place then it > > is > > > > best. > > > > > If the hold is made by force then it is medium quality > > rudraksha. " > > > > > > > > > > Srimad Devi Bhagavatam > > > > > > > > > > Chapter 7, 1-4. > > > > > > > > > > Those Rudraksha that have their holes by nature running through > > > and > > > > through are best; and those that have have their holes pierces by > > > men > > > > are middling. " > > > > > > > > > > * These verses translated by KN Seetha, Power of Rudraksha 2nd > > > > expanded Edition > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > is my own limited personal experience that in some beads you > > have > > > to > > > > > use a lot of force (or patience) to carefully get the natural > > > stalk > > > > like material out from > > > > > the centre of the bead, which in some cases could include > > > > > drilling with a machine. You can drill with a toothpick or > > > needle, > > > > or a drill machine. The scriptural statement " made by force " is > > > > definitely a very > > > > > broad term which would allow careful drilling. > > > > > > > > > > Also in 2006 I was told > > > > > wholeseller/ retailer Mukunda Khatiwada of Nepa Rudraksha in > > > > Kathmandu > > > > > that most 4, 5 and 6 Mukhi Nepali beads have strong seal on the > > > > bottom which > > > > > require drill machine. Can anyone confirm this? > > > > > > > > > > Again again, the point is that Shastra never talk about seeds > > > > ANYWHERE, they always refer to the number of mukhi lines to > > > determine > > > > what is the power of the bead, so this notion of equal > > seeds/mukhi > > > > lines is not supported by Shastra. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Y/S, Ole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Shaligram Shala <shaligram8@ ...> > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > Thursday, 1 January, 2009 5:57:52 > > > > > Re: Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin > > > > Rudrakshas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna Members, > > > > > Please accept my best wishes, all glories to Sri Guru and > > > Gauranga, > > > > all glories to all the devotees of the Lord. > > > > > I wanted to finish on to this discussion, but just new topics > > > keep > > > > coming and confusions are created because of ignorance and no > > > > knowledge on the subject. But trying to prove > > > > > some how or the other that one is right with illogical thought > > > > process. > > > > > > > > > > The Nepali bead Rudraksha has a internal structure such that > > the > > > > centre part inside the bead is weak and can easily be pierced > > thro > > > > the wire WITHOUT DRILLING. The seeds are towards the middle or > > > > towards the periphery on each bead and they dont come on the way > > > > under any circumstances while piercing the bead for capping thro > > > the > > > > centre. > > > > > Yes if the bead is deformed then the seeds can come on the way. > > > But > > > > by experience any person can found out whether the bead is well > > > > formed or not and reject those beads which are liable to have > > this > > > > problem. But ofcourse all these rejected beads are sold at the > > > lesser > > > > price so few Suppliers are attracted to it to generate more > > profits. > > > > > > > > > > Secondly I want to ask a simple uestion from the members that > > > which > > > > the energy Srot ( energy part) in any Rudrakshas. I mean whether > > it > > > > is The SEEDS or the MUKHS ? Pl answer this question rartionally. > > In > > > > my view it is seeds and not Mukhs as Mukhs are merely the > > channels > > > to > > > > take the energy given by the seeds. So the seeds have to equal > > and > > > > complete as per the Mukhs or not??? So if you are wearing a bead > > > > which is not tested for > > > > > same no. of seeds vis a vis Mukhs, then you will not get the > > > effect > > > > of that Mukhi bead. > > > > > It is amply clear that several well developed beads too have > > > lesser > > > > seeds than Mukhs. But will take that bead and assume that that is > > > say > > > > 8 Mukhi when the seeds inside are 6 or 7. Do you think that such > > a > > > > bead will give you same effect as a bead with 8 seeds and 8 > > > > Mukhs ??? So pl ponder on this. In my view you should go for well > > > > tested beads than to believe suppliers who actually themselves > > > > does'nt know what they are giving to you, in that how many seeds > > > have > > > > damaged due to DRILLING and making you wear injured GOD who will > > > > actually curse you then to bless you. So be careful and be > > rational. > > > > > > > > > > Now lastly one gentleman has assumed that normal Rudrakshas or > > > > their seeds are crushed to make powder or things like that. Does > > he > > > > really know the procedure of making powder and other things out > > of > > > > Rudrakshas ??? or firing like a miss guided, ill informed > > > > > missile which is directionless and does't know what is head and > > > > tail and ultimately gets blasted with the same missile himself. > > > > > > > > > > For the knowledge of members the Rudraksha powder or other > > > > products are made from the natural dried up seeds. Normally the > > > > seeds are slightly wet inside the bead. In the interior of > > > HIMALAYAS > > > > there are several places which are not inhabitated by the humans > > > and > > > > there also are several trees of Rudrakshas. There beads > > especially > > > > the lower Mukhs like 3 Mukjhi, 4 Mukhi and 5 Mukhi 6 Mukhis are > > > left > > > > there only higher mukhs are taken due to weight constraint. These > > > > Rudrakshas dries up naturally and their Mukhs opens up naturally > > > and > > > > the dried seeds comes out. Now these seeds are collected for > > making > > > > the Rudrakshas products. > > > > > I want to further submit that for making Rudrakshas beads > > > products > > > > the wet bead can never be used, it is only naturally dried beads > > > > which can be used. > > > > > > > > > > I hope this clarifies the doubt which is created by > > knwledgeless > > > > suppliers. > > > > > > > > > > I hereby again reitreate and caution Rudrakshas lovers that pl > > be > > > > beware of suppliers which deal in low quality beads and give > > > damaged > > > > beads to the devotees and sell Rs. 2000 crippled so called one > > > mukhi > > > > with 4 or 5 seeds inside for a Lakhs and cheat the devotees by > > self > > > > styled so called energisation of beads for their own benefit. > > > > > > > > > > Om Shanti Shanti Shanti > > > > > > > > > > I hope this will help, > > > > > Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev Namaha > > > > > I beg to remain yours in the humble service of the Lord and His > > > > devotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day, > > > > > Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the service of Their > > > > Lordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram, > > > > > Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu, > > > > > Shri Swayamvyakta- Shaligram- Silas Arpanam Astu, > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > > Haribol, > > > > > Rajiv Krishna Dasa, > > > > > WWW.SHALIGRAM. COM > > > > > 00 91 9322646421 > > > > > 00 91 9322646420 > > > > > 0091 22 24459616 > > > > > salagram8 > > > > > shaligram8 > > > > > Address > > > > > 105, Hammersmith Industrial Estate, > > > > > Narayan Pathare Marg, > > > > > Off Shitla Devi Temple Road, Mahim, Mumbai 400037 > > > > > Maharashtra (India ) > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 31/12/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > > > > > Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin > > > > Rudrakshas > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > Wednesday, 31 December, 2008, 10:02 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > > > very few members like you wish to discuss on the subject > > > rudraksha > > > > > whereas few have one and only objective of criticising other > > > > > suppliers in their oneupmanship. members are all intelligent > > > enough > > > > > to understand the validity of xray test and how they find and > > > count > > > > > 21 seeds in an xray. > > > > > > > > > > all rudraksha buyers and suppliers are aware of several mukhis > > of > > > > > nepalese rudraksha especially highers having their top portion > > > > > closed. all rudraksha wholesellers from nepal as well as these > > > very > > > > > people are aware of this but just to criticise me they are > > giving > > > > > bold certificates to themselves that all their rudraksha have > > > > natural > > > > > holes and that their rejected rudraksha are bought by all other > > > > > suppliers. they are conveniently forgetting that shivapurana > > > > > describes rudraksha with a hole bored through human effort is > > > > > recommended as middling for wearing and to get benefits. it is > > > only > > > > > bold sacrilege on part of these people to say that humanly > > holed > > > > > rudraksha are like damaging and putting a hole in the forehead > > > even > > > > > when shivapurana has mentioned and approved of it. > > > > > > > > > > it is the height of hypocricy and false selfglorification > > > > > certificates to themselves that they dont drill holes in > > > rudraksha, > > > > > because these same people are selling rudraksha powder and > > > > rudraksha > > > > > oil and i have seen them physically selling these rudraksha > > > powder > > > > > and oil in exhibitions in various cities. going by their latest > > > > mail > > > > > of drilling a hole in forehead and damaging the god, it is > > common > > > > > sense for any sane member to imagine how many rudrakshas these > > > > people > > > > > have killed, crushed, grounded, pounded, beaten and extracted > > oil > > > > and > > > > > powder from them. may be these people have double talk to say > > > that > > > > > drilling a hole is damaging and holing the god while crushing > > and > > > > > killing and making it into an altogether new product like > > powder > > > > and > > > > > oil is not killing the god. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bottom line here is that Shastra says you CAN drill through > > > beads > > > > > which has no natural hole, (Shiva Purana, Rudraksha > > > Jabalopanishad) > > > > > so there is no valid argument against this at all !! Unless > > > perhaps > > > > > you damage the bead in some gross way... About X-rays is more > > of > > > a > > > > > philosophical question. There are cosmic, natural and manmade > > > rays > > > > > everywhere. I dont suspect that xrays would harm the power of a > > > > bead > > > > > at all. Since shastra give no advice about checking beads > > > > internally > > > > > for matching number of internal seeds with lines, but only > > count > > > > the > > > > > lines, I am not so concerned about this, unless one checking > > rare > > > > > beads which could be fake. However, to verify the THEORY that > > > > genuine > > > > > beads ALWAYS have SAME number of SEEDS inside as LINES should > > be > > > > > PROVEN! > > > > > > > > > > > > Happy New Year to All! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > bala_songyi <balasongyi@ ...> > > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 December, 2008 10:48:23 > > > > > > Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin > > > > > Rudrakshas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear sirs > > > > > > Damaged God or Goddess in Rudraksha ??? ÃÆ'â €šÃ‚° > > interesting > > > ÃÆ'‚° > > > > > > > > > > > > What about IRRADATION of the Gods in rudraksha via X- RAYS ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > We do not touch or eat irradiated foods ,,,, due to damaged > > > > > > nuclearation > > > > > > > > > > > > any comments :::::: > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, Shaligram Shala > > > > > > <shaligram8@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna Dear Members, > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail Prabhu. Please accept my best wishes, > > > all > > > > > > glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga, all glories to all the > > > devotees > > > > > of > > > > > > the Lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Nepalese origin Rudraksha beads have aÃÆ'Æ'ââ > > ‚¬Å¡ NATURAL > > > > HOLEÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > whether > > > > > > it is 2 Mukhi round or 3 Mukhi or 4 Mukhi or 8 Mukhi or 9 > > Mukhi > > > > or > > > > > > 10 , 11, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19 and 21 Mukhi. Pl include > > thoseÃÆ'Æ'â > > > €š > > > > Mukhs > > > > > > also which I have missed. > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > We actually reject those Rudrakshas in which we suspect > > that > > > > > > naturally the wire would not go inside. But unfortunately few > > > > > > Rudraksha suppliers buy those beads only and then drill the > > > hole > > > > in > > > > > > them mercilessly and sell them as injured God. > > > > > > > It is just equivalent to drilling hole on your forehead and > > > > > feeling > > > > > > good about it and assuming that drilled out damaged bead will > > > do > > > > > good > > > > > > to you !!! Good Theory !!! > > > > > > > Now I am able to understand how the inner seeds can be > > > damaged, > > > > > > very simple, once you drill the bead, naturally something is > > > > forced > > > > > > inside the auspicious bead and the bead gets damaged by the > > > > > Rudraksha > > > > > > Supplier. > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > I think this action is worse than selling so called Eka > > Mukhi > > > > > > crippled Rudrakshas which have 4 or 5 seeds inside and only > > one > > > > > Mukh > > > > > > seen from the surface. > > > > > > > My self, my father and other my relatives who are dealing > > in > > > > > > Rudrakshas since last 20 years were equally amused like I > > > > gotÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > amused > > > > > > reading the mail. > > > > > > > No doubtÃÆ'Æ'‚ his Rudrakshas suppliers are > > world class > > > which > > > > gives > > > > > the > > > > > > best rejected beads in the world.... > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > I have uploded the X Ray pictures of so called Eka Mukhi > > > wioth > > > > 4 > > > > > or > > > > > > 5 seeds inside on my website www.shaligram. com for the views > > > to > > > > > see > > > > > > and decide whether they would like to wear such Eka Mukhi > > > > > Rudrakshas > > > > > > in their life.. I am forwarding the link for easy viewing: > > > > > > > http://www.shaligra m.com/rudraksha/ 1mukhi.php > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this will help, > > > > > > > Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev Namaha > > > > > > > I beg to remain yours in the humble service of the Lord and > > > His > > > > > > devotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day, > > > > > > > Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the service of Their > > > > > > Lordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram, > > > > > > > Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu, > > > > > > > Shri Swayamvyakta- Shaligram- Silas Arpanam Astu, > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > > > > Haribol, > > > > > > > Rajiv Krishna Dasa, > > > > > > > WWW.SHALIGRAM. COM > > > > > > > 00 91 9322646421 > > > > > > > 00 91 9322646420 > > > > > > > 0091 22 24459616 > > > > > > > salagram8@ . > > > > > > > shaligram8@ .. > > > > > > > Address > > > > > > > 105, Hammersmith Industrial Estate, > > > > > > > Narayan Pathare Marg, > > > > > > > Off Shitla Devi Temple Road, Mahim, Mumbai 400037 > > > > > > > Maharashtra (India ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 29/12/08, panditarjun2004 > > <panditarjun2004@ ....> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > > > > > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol dana > > > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > > > Monday, 29 December, 2008, 2:23 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear phadkeji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for your response and to observation of all members > > > that > > > > > > > perfectly round two mukhi like 4,5 or 6 mukhi rudrakhsa is > > > > > rarest. > > > > > > > yes, as you rightly pointed out nepalese mildly pear shaped > > > two > > > > > > mukhi > > > > > > > rudraksha too is rare. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another issue on which i request your response is whether > > all > > > > > > > nepalese rudraksha have natural hole. shivpurana states > > that > > > > > those > > > > > > > rudraksha which have a natural hole from one end to other > > end > > > > are > > > > > > > most excellent and that those rudraksha which are bored > > > through > > > > > > human > > > > > > > efforts are middling. recently some members went overboard > > in > > > > > > > declaring or certifying as if they are the best judges on > > > > > rudraksha > > > > > > > that ALL NEPALESE RUDRAKSHA HAVE A NATURAL HOLE, nay, > > rather > > > > they > > > > > > > were amused and found funny for me being a rudraksha seller > > > is > > > > > > > unaware of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the truth as it stands as seen by those very critical > > > members, > > > > > > > myself, any other human or any other machine remains the > > same > > > > on > > > > > > the > > > > > > > following: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. there is no rule that all nepalese rudraksha must have a > > > > > natural > > > > > > > hole. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. most two mukhi nepalese rudraksha, especially the small > > > > sized > > > > > > > ones, do not have a natural hole from one end to other end. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. most higher mukhi rudrakshas of 8 to 14 mukhi from nepal > > > do > > > > > not > > > > > > > have a natural hole from one end to another end and most > > (if > > > > not > > > > > > all) > > > > > > > of them have the top portion closed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you kindly give your comments on the above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects@ . . com, chandrashekhar > > > > phadke > > > > > > > <chphadke@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Arjuna ji, > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ââ €šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ > > ‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > I have mentioned that the 2 mukhi Nepal > > beadÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â > > > ‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > of my > > > > > collection > > > > > > is > > > > > > > pear shaped (i.e. slightly papillate in the peduncle > > region) > > > > > > similar > > > > > > > to the giant sized three mukhi Nepal > > bead.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å > > > ¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ The > > > > 2 mukhi > > > > > Nepal > > > > > > bead > > > > > > > of my collection is not perfectly round like 4, 5 or 6 > > > > > mukhi.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ââ €šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ > > ‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > The 2 > > > > > > > mukhi Nepal rudraksha are generally square and > > > oblong.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ > > > > €šÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > Pear > > > > > > shaped > > > > > > > 2 mukhi beads are rarely seen. > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ââ €šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ > > ‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > With best wishes, > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ââ €šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ > > ‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 24/12/08, panditarjun2004 > > > <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > > > > > > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol dana > > > > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 24 December, 2008, 5:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear phadkeji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > till date i was not fortunate to see a perfectly round > > two > > > > > mukhi > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > the regular 4, 5 or 6 mukhi. could you kindly upload a > > > photo > > > > of > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > in the group if you have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, chandrashekhar > > > > phadke > > > > > > > > <chphadke@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ole, > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢ ââ > > ‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â > > > ‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > The round two mukhi Nepal bead which I have > > > inÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ > > > > > ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'â > > €¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ââ €šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'â > > €š my > > > > > > collection > > > > > > > > isÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢ ââ > > ‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â > > > ‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ similar to giant 3 > > > > mukhi Nepal rudraksha > > > > > i.e.. pear > > > > > > shaped > > > > > > > bead.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢ ââ > > ‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ > > > €šÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > The other roundÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'â € 'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ > > ÃÆ'¢â > > > €šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ ââ > > €šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ two > > > > mukhi Nepal bead I had > > > > > seen was > > > > > > similar to > > > > > > > > round 4 mukhi regular grade bead.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'â > > € 'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â > > > €šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ > > > > €šÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢ ââ > > ‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â > > > ‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > Thanking you and with best wishes, > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢ ââ > > ‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â > > > ‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 23/12/08, alstrup <alstrup@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alstrup <alstrup@ > > > > > > > > > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol dana > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 23 December, 2008, 2:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have seen a lot of 2 mukhis on photos, certain beads > > > will > > > > > > appear > > > > > > > > > round from one side, besides top and bottom. Some beads > > > are > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > roundish than others. How round do you want it? I have > > > > never > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > really round beads above 12 mukhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects@ . > > com, " panditarjun2004 " > > > > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear richardji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your observation is correct that round dvi mukh > > > rudraksha > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > nepal > > > > > > > > > > is as rare as gol ek mukhi rudraksha from nepal. i > > may > > > > not > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > exaggerating if i say that round two mukhi rudrakhsa > > is > > > > > rarer > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > round one mukhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > till date i could get only small sized genuine > > nepalese > > > > two > > > > > > > mukh > > > > > > > > > > rudraksha and am not yet fortunate to lay my hands on > > a > > > > > round > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > mukhi rudraksha from nepal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if any rudraksha sellers are having round two mukhi > > > > > rudraksha > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > them, they are requested to kindly share that > > > photograph > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > > > as i appreciate publicly that it is much rarer than > > > round > > > > > ek > > > > > > > > mukhi so > > > > > > > > > > much so that i failed to get such round two mukhi in > > > the > > > > > past > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 dear richardji kindly prefix ROUND and suffix ONLY to the 1 to 14 mukhi rudraksha that i deal. for that matter, in the absence and unaffordability of round ek mukh rudraksha, i have done my own research and over experience found 12mukhi rudrakhsa as the best substitute or alternative to it, though it has no scriptural sanction and i publicly acknowledge that more than 90 percent of the total rudraksha that i sold till date are only 12 mukhis. when 13 and 14mukhi are more priced and have more profits, why shall i sell only 12mukhi. it is because 12mukhi is the only rudraksha which has scripturally allocated lord sun (planet sun) as its lord and astrologically we can apply that directly to lord sun. some rudraksha sellers allocate, out of convenience and easy mathematical application, 1 to 9 mukhis as correlated to the nine planets, nay, they repeat this sequential correlation from 10 to 18 again for the nine planets. as a seller we must do our homework well and be ready with all answers to all possible queries a buyer ask like whether this is endorsed or prohibited by an ancient scripture. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66 wrote: > > Dear Panditji, > > It is commendable that you sell Rudraksha 1 mukhi to 14 mukhi > according to the Puranas. And not others. That means you are > specialized. Good service! Y/s, Richard > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear richardji > > > > firslty, i never sold a gaurishankar bead since i did not find its > > mention or substantiation in puranas. if others have these > > references, my best wishes to them and i have nothing to say negative > > about them. but over the years, trijuti, chaturbrahma, pancha > > parameshwar have started making appearance and then if we apply > > objective type answer, we may expect shanmukha rudraksha i.e. six > > rudrakshas joined together representing lord shanmuga or kartikeya > > soon by these sellers. if at a future date we find seven rudrakshas > > joined together, then we may search for that god which has seven > > faces so on and so forth. before others demanding on me to comment > > more on these rudraksha, let them be known that i never laid my hands > > on any 2,3,4,5 or other rudrkashas joined together. > > > > secondly, for several years the typical fake ek mukh rudraksha sold > > everywhere in india was the one having a serpant, a trident, a > > shivling and some have even the bull or nandi. those years round ek > > mukh rudraksha was not at all available and i too failed to get one > > despite best approach to all rudraksha suppliers in nepal. later > > years, one famous trusted wholeseller from nepal posted few > > photographs of round ek mukh rudraksha in his website and it is since > > then that these NATURALLY FORMED ONE LINE round ek mukh rudraksha > > were being made available by most wholesellers from nepal. today we > > are seeing various round ek mukh rudraksha containg various symbols > > and designs and dieties made available by the best known suppliers. > > here too, my take is simple and that i sell only those round ek mukh > > rudraksh only on the basis of a naturally formed one single line from > > top to bottom. > > > > then we have been seeing various other rudrakshas of ganesh, nag and > > other shapes. then we are also seeing various om shaped rudraksha > > too. then we also heard about the nirakar or rudraksha with no lines > > at all i.e. zero mukh. then the entire country is already flooded > > with the crescent shaped natural as well as synthetic ekmukh > > rudraksha which is finding a place in almsot all houses in india. > > > > with such diverse choices of shapes, designs, symbols and all sorts > > of rudraksha available, it is the public who are the gods or judges > > to get what they want and in this vast market of rudrkshas of several > > designs, shapes, symbols, dieties and other extra portions on the > > rudraksha made available by all leading suppliers, i am a tiny fish > > in this rudraksha market who sell only round 1 to 14mukh rudrakshas > > that too purely on the basis of naturally formed external lines and > > hence have no knowledge as other have pointed out about any rudraksha > > other than the 1 to 14 round nepalese. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " > > <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > Did you hear about the bogus puja objects dealers? Surely someone > > must > > > have a 2,009 mukhi - special for THIS year. Maybe more!? Y/s, > > Richard > > > > > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > > > perhaps i shall reiterate one more time to all members that i > > sell > > > > only one to fourteen mukh rudraksha. it is others (not me) who > > sell > > > > any number of mukhis rudraksha from zero to anymukh and onus is > > on > > > > them to substantiate them. similarly onus is on those nirakar > > bead > > > > sellers to show no single seed inside in their xray theories. > > > > > > > > in view of the above, please do not ask me to throw light on your > > way > > > > of selling seed based rudraksha like you repeatedly said that > > your ek > > > > mukhi has only one seed in it. yes, i do tell my customers about > > the > > > > futility of seed theory and you are at liberty to do your own way > > and > > > > so am i. > > > > > > > > since i never laid my hands on a rudraksha higher than 14mukhi it > > is > > > > for those who sell upto 28 and some even upto 32mukh to > > substatiate > > > > their seeds or validation and am least bothered. it is in this > > > > context that i commented that such suppliers are capable of > > selling > > > > even higher mukhis upto 100 mukhis. > > > > > > > > sometime ago some sellers were selling gaurishankar which is two > > > > rudrakshas joined together. later they started selling gauripath > > or > > > > trijuti where three rudrakshas are joined. then i commented that > > > > soon you would find chaturbrahma and panchaparameshwar and lo > > these > > > > suppliers are selling these four and five beads together. > > > > > > > > so, you shall direct your queries to those people who sell > > 2,3,4,5 or > > > > higher rudrakshas joined together or 28, 32 or even higher mukhi > > > > sellers and not me, for my service is limited only to 1 to 14. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , Shaligram Shala > > > > <shaligram8@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna Prabhu, > > > > > Thanks for your mail Prabhu. Please accept my best wishes, all > > > > glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga, all glories to all the devotees > > of > > > > the Lord. > > > > >  > > > > > Under no circumstances the seeds can come at the centre and > > > > obstract the path of natural hole. They are held with in the bead > > > > naturally. Pl exlain how you can insert the seeds and remove the > > > > seeds without breaking the Rudraksha bead. I am sure quite a few > > > > members like me would be interested in seeing this art. Also from > > > > where you have learnt this art. What about 100 mukhi rudraksha > > you > > > > were claiming to make ??? Your bank account details to deposit > > amount > > > > for natural 100 mukhi Rudraksha Prabhu??? > > > > > Pl reply all this querries ???? or tender a public appology > > for > > > > talking nonsense in this forum. > > > > > > > > > > I hope this will help, > > > > > Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev Namaha > > > > > I beg to remain yours in the humble service of the Lord and His > > > > devotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day, > > > > > Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the service of Their > > > > Lordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram, > > > > > Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu, > > > > > Shri Swayamvyakta-Shaligram-Silas Arpanam Astu, > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > > Haribol, > > > > > Rajiv Krishna Dasa, > > > > > WWW.SHALIGRAM.COM > > > > > 00 91 9322646421 > > > > > 00 91 9322646420 > > > > > 0091 22 24459616 > > > > > salagram8@ > > > > > shaligram8@ > > > > > Address > > > > > 105, Hammersmith Industrial Estate, > > > > > Narayan Pathare Marg, > > > > > Off Shitla Devi Temple Road, Mahim, Mumbai 400037 > > > > > Maharashtra (India ) > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 2/1/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> > > > > > Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin > > > > Rudrakshas > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > Friday, 2 January, 2009, 8:43 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear phadkeji > > > > > > > > > > your observations are valued and yes the seeds are supposed to > > be > > > > in > > > > > the locules under the cleft. however, many times i have > > observed in > > > > > 12, 13 and 14mukhi large sized beads that a couple of beads > > come in > > > > > the centre instead of tightly holding or stuck inside the > > locules > > > > as > > > > > you mentioned. while making gold pendants, a seed or two that > > are > > > > in > > > > > the middle and obstructing the passage come out or gently > > removed > > > > > using a needle. hence i opined that seeds can be removed and > > > > > inserted. > > > > > > > > > > i rest my case as i never sell rudraksha on the basis of seeds > > and > > > > am > > > > > interested only in the naturally formed mukhis or lines. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, chandrashekhar phadke > > > > > <chphadke@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Arjuna ji, > > > > > >  > > > > > > I do not agree with you regarding either insertion or removal > > of > > > > > rudraksha seeds. It is not possible either to insert or > > remove > > > > > seeds from rudraksha, keeping the bead intact. Seeds can be > > > > removed > > > > > only after breaking the bead. Rudraksha seeds > > > > are situated in > > > > > locules. These locules are under the cleft or mukhi. > > One > > > > locule > > > > > for each cleft as far as Elaeocarpus angustifolius is > > concerned, > > > > i.e. > > > > > Nepal or Indonesian rudraksha. Only in case of oval > > Haridwar > > > > > rudraksha whether one mukhi, two mukhi or three mukhi, there is > > > > only > > > > > sigle locule and one seed in it. One can not insert seeds > > from > > > > > outside in rudraksha locules. In Nepal or Indonesian > > rudraksha > > > > not > > > > > all locules develop seeds especially higher mukhi beads. In > > > > higher > > > > > mukhi beads many times clefts or mukhi are very close to each > > > > other, > > > > > rarely two clefts share common wall. In such cases there are no > > > > seeds > > > > > in a perticular locule and locule is also very poorly formed > > like a > > > > > thin slit. It is > > > > > > very difficult to interprete rudraksha X-ray. If customer > > > > > insists to have rudraksha X-ray showing seeds equal to mukhi > > then > > > > he > > > > > has to take only three mukhi to 6 mukhi at the most 7 mukhi > > > > > rudraksha. I have personally noticed that even in 5 mukhi > > bead > > > > > sometimes seeds are not well developed and one or two locules > > are > > > > > slitformed and naturally empty. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Thanking you and with best wishes. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 2/1/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > > > > > Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin > > > > > Rudrakshas > > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > > Friday, 2 January, 2009, 6:20 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear oleji > > > > > > > > > > > > your concluding observation is true and ordained by the > > > > scriptures > > > > > > that the scriptures talk only of faces or lines on the outer > > > > > surface. > > > > > > > > > > > > i can easily demonstrate how seeds can be removed from a > > > > rudraksha > > > > > > and also seeds can be put into a rudrakhsa. if one were to > > > > blindly > > > > > > count the seeds within, lo, you can find a zero seed nirakar > > > > > > rudraksha as well 100 seeds within a 14mukhi rudraksha and > > sell > > > > it > > > > > as > > > > > > a 100mukhi just because it has 100 seeds within. here the > > > > customers > > > > > > shall care a damn for the external lines which are fewer in > > > > number > > > > > > and shall put weightage only on the inserted extra seeds. the > > > > > > process is made explicitly simpler since seed based suppliers > > > > find > > > > > a > > > > > > SUFFICIENTLY NATURALLY FORMED LARGE HOLE in all their > > rudrakshas. > > > > > > > > > > > > the bottomline is simple. i sell rudraksha only on the basis > > of > > > > the > > > > > > way a rudraksha to be identified as ordained by ALL > > scriptures. > > > > > > > > > > > > if others wish to sell on new theories of some invisible > > things > > > > by > > > > > > subjecting the holy gods under a radiation test, they are at > > > > > liberty > > > > > > to do so. the problem here is that they shall not try to > > paint > > > > the > > > > > > shastras in poor light and those selling rudraksha only based > > on > > > > > > shastra ordained identification rules as primitive and > > outdated. > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway, it is all a matter of faith that the rudraksha itself > > > > > > represent lord shiva and is treated as lord shiva and it is > > never > > > > > > sold as a commodity. those who treat it as a commodity sell > > it as > > > > a > > > > > > commodity with certificates, tests, et all. an image of god > > is > > > > seen > > > > > > as god and is not sold as a commodity. its value lies in the > > > > faith > > > > > > that it is god and similarly rudraksha which are botanical > > seeds > > > > > are > > > > > > bought not as vegetables that commodity sellers sell but > > because > > > > of > > > > > > treating them as divine. > > > > > > > > > > > > lastly, your finding comfort in using the rudraksha powder > > and > > > > > > rudraksha oil as holy and divine is based on the logic that > > it is > > > > > > extracted not from live rudraksha but from naturally dried, > > dead, > > > > > > bursted, broken, exposed rudraksha and or its seeds. for > > those > > > > who > > > > > > do treat rudraksha as a commodity, this theory sounds logical > > but > > > > > for > > > > > > those who rever rudraksha as god like me, it is simply > > > > unimaginable > > > > > > for applying such dried, dead, bursted, broken forms of > > rudraksha > > > > > > crushed and beaten to produce some usable commodity as oil > > and > > > > > powder. > > > > > > > > > > > > the bottomline is very simple. here are two types of sellers > > of > > > > > > rudraksha. one those who treat it as god. other who treat it > > as a > > > > > > commodity. you heard stories of how theists find god in > > stones > > > > and > > > > > > athiests find stones just as stones. > > > > > > > > > > > > if members are sour at reading these two different ways of > > > > treating > > > > > > and selling rudraksha, i would rest my case under those who > > treat > > > > > > rudraksha as god and sell them as god embodiments. if others > > sell > > > > > it > > > > > > as perishable commodity, they are at liberty to do so. > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup > > <alstrup@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajiv Krishna Dasa, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for providing the information about how > > > > > > medicine is made from naturally dried seeds of these > > Himalayan > > > > > beads, > > > > > > this was very comforting to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These are the following available references from Shastra* > > > > about > > > > > > hole in Rudrakshas: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shiva Purana Chapter 25, Verse 23: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " That which has a natural hole from end to end is the most > > > > > > excellent; that which is bored through by human effort is the > > > > > > middling one. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jabalopanishad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " If > > > > > > > rudraksha has a natural hole at the appropriate place then > > it > > > > is > > > > > > best. > > > > > > > If the hold is made by force then it is medium quality > > > > rudraksha. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Srimad Devi Bhagavatam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chapter 7, 1-4. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those Rudraksha that have their holes by nature running > > through > > > > > and > > > > > > through are best; and those that have have their holes > > pierces by > > > > > men > > > > > > are middling. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * These verses translated by KN Seetha, Power of Rudraksha > > 2nd > > > > > > expanded Edition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > is my own limited personal experience that in some beads > > you > > > > have > > > > > to > > > > > > > use a lot of force (or patience) to carefully get the > > natural > > > > > stalk > > > > > > like material out from > > > > > > > the centre of the bead, which in some cases could include > > > > > > > drilling with a machine. You can drill with a toothpick or > > > > > needle, > > > > > > or a drill machine. The scriptural statement " made by force " > > is > > > > > > definitely a very > > > > > > > broad term which would allow careful drilling. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also in 2006 I was told > > > > > > > wholeseller/ retailer Mukunda Khatiwada of Nepa Rudraksha > > in > > > > > > Kathmandu > > > > > > > that most 4, 5 and 6 Mukhi Nepali beads have strong seal on > > the > > > > > > bottom which > > > > > > > require drill machine. Can anyone confirm this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again again, the point is that Shastra never talk about > > seeds > > > > > > ANYWHERE, they always refer to the number of mukhi lines to > > > > > determine > > > > > > what is the power of the bead, so this notion of equal > > > > seeds/mukhi > > > > > > lines is not supported by Shastra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Y/S, Ole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > Shaligram Shala <shaligram8@ ...> > > > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > > > Thursday, 1 January, 2009 5:57:52 > > > > > > > Re: Re: Natural hole in Nepali > > Origin > > > > > > Rudrakshas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna Members, > > > > > > > Please accept my best wishes, all glories to Sri Guru and > > > > > Gauranga, > > > > > > all glories to all the devotees of the Lord. > > > > > > > I wanted to finish on to this discussion, but just new > > topics > > > > > keep > > > > > > coming and confusions are created because of ignorance and no > > > > > > knowledge on the subject. But trying to prove > > > > > > > some how or the other that one is right with illogical > > thought > > > > > > process. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Nepali bead Rudraksha has a internal structure such > > that > > > > the > > > > > > centre part inside the bead is weak and can easily be pierced > > > > thro > > > > > > the wire WITHOUT DRILLING. The seeds are towards the middle > > or > > > > > > towards the periphery on each bead and they dont come on the > > way > > > > > > under any circumstances while piercing the bead for capping > > thro > > > > > the > > > > > > centre. > > > > > > > Yes if the bead is deformed then the seeds can come on the > > way. > > > > > But > > > > > > by experience any person can found out whether the bead is > > well > > > > > > formed or not and reject those beads which are liable to have > > > > this > > > > > > problem. But ofcourse all these rejected beads are sold at > > the > > > > > lesser > > > > > > price so few Suppliers are attracted to it to generate more > > > > profits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Secondly I want to ask a simple uestion from the members > > that > > > > > which > > > > > > the energy Srot ( energy part) in any Rudrakshas. I mean > > whether > > > > it > > > > > > is The SEEDS or the MUKHS ? Pl answer this question > > rartionally. > > > > In > > > > > > my view it is seeds and not Mukhs as Mukhs are merely the > > > > channels > > > > > to > > > > > > take the energy given by the seeds. So the seeds have to > > equal > > > > and > > > > > > complete as per the Mukhs or not??? So if you are wearing a > > bead > > > > > > which is not tested for > > > > > > > same no. of seeds vis a vis Mukhs, then you will not get > > the > > > > > effect > > > > > > of that Mukhi bead. > > > > > > > It is amply clear that several well developed beads too > > have > > > > > lesser > > > > > > seeds than Mukhs. But will take that bead and assume that > > that is > > > > > say > > > > > > 8 Mukhi when the seeds inside are 6 or 7. Do you think that > > such > > > > a > > > > > > bead will give you same effect as a bead with 8 seeds and 8 > > > > > > Mukhs ??? So pl ponder on this. In my view you should go for > > well > > > > > > tested beads than to believe suppliers who actually > > themselves > > > > > > does'nt know what they are giving to you, in that how many > > seeds > > > > > have > > > > > > damaged due to DRILLING and making you wear injured GOD who > > will > > > > > > actually curse you then to bless you. So be careful and be > > > > rational. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now lastly one gentleman has assumed that normal Rudrakshas > > or > > > > > > their seeds are crushed to make powder or things like that. > > Does > > > > he > > > > > > really know the procedure of making powder and other things > > out > > > > of > > > > > > Rudrakshas ??? or firing like a miss guided, ill informed > > > > > > > missile which is directionless and does't know what is head > > and > > > > > > tail and ultimately gets blasted with the same missile > > himself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the knowledge of members the Rudraksha powder or other > > > > > > products are made from the natural dried up seeds. Normally > > the > > > > > > seeds are slightly wet inside the bead. In the interior of > > > > > HIMALAYAS > > > > > > there are several places which are not inhabitated by the > > humans > > > > > and > > > > > > there also are several trees of Rudrakshas. There beads > > > > especially > > > > > > the lower Mukhs like 3 Mukjhi, 4 Mukhi and 5 Mukhi 6 Mukhis > > are > > > > > left > > > > > > there only higher mukhs are taken due to weight constraint. > > These > > > > > > Rudrakshas dries up naturally and their Mukhs opens up > > naturally > > > > > and > > > > > > the dried seeds comes out. Now these seeds are collected for > > > > making > > > > > > the Rudrakshas products. > > > > > > > I want to further submit that for making Rudrakshas beads > > > > > products > > > > > > the wet bead can never be used, it is only naturally dried > > beads > > > > > > which can be used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this clarifies the doubt which is created by > > > > knwledgeless > > > > > > suppliers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hereby again reitreate and caution Rudrakshas lovers that > > pl > > > > be > > > > > > beware of suppliers which deal in low quality beads and give > > > > > damaged > > > > > > beads to the devotees and sell Rs. 2000 crippled so called > > one > > > > > mukhi > > > > > > with 4 or 5 seeds inside for a Lakhs and cheat the devotees > > by > > > > self > > > > > > styled so called energisation of beads for their own benefit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Shanti Shanti Shanti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this will help, > > > > > > > Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev Namaha > > > > > > > I beg to remain yours in the humble service of the Lord and > > His > > > > > > devotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day, > > > > > > > Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the service of Their > > > > > > Lordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram, > > > > > > > Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu, > > > > > > > Shri Swayamvyakta- Shaligram- Silas Arpanam Astu, > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > > > > Haribol, > > > > > > > Rajiv Krishna Dasa, > > > > > > > WWW.SHALIGRAM. COM > > > > > > > 00 91 9322646421 > > > > > > > 00 91 9322646420 > > > > > > > 0091 22 24459616 > > > > > > > salagram8 > > > > > > > shaligram8 > > > > > > > Address > > > > > > > 105, Hammersmith Industrial Estate, > > > > > > > Narayan Pathare Marg, > > > > > > > Off Shitla Devi Temple Road, Mahim, Mumbai 400037 > > > > > > > Maharashtra (India ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 31/12/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > > > > > > > Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin > > > > > > Rudrakshas > > > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 December, 2008, 10:02 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very few members like you wish to discuss on the subject > > > > > rudraksha > > > > > > > whereas few have one and only objective of criticising > > other > > > > > > > suppliers in their oneupmanship. members are all > > intelligent > > > > > enough > > > > > > > to understand the validity of xray test and how they find > > and > > > > > count > > > > > > > 21 seeds in an xray. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all rudraksha buyers and suppliers are aware of several > > mukhis > > > > of > > > > > > > nepalese rudraksha especially highers having their top > > portion > > > > > > > closed. all rudraksha wholesellers from nepal as well as > > these > > > > > very > > > > > > > people are aware of this but just to criticise me they are > > > > giving > > > > > > > bold certificates to themselves that all their rudraksha > > have > > > > > > natural > > > > > > > holes and that their rejected rudraksha are bought by all > > other > > > > > > > suppliers. they are conveniently forgetting that > > shivapurana > > > > > > > describes rudraksha with a hole bored through human effort > > is > > > > > > > recommended as middling for wearing and to get benefits. it > > is > > > > > only > > > > > > > bold sacrilege on part of these people to say that humanly > > > > holed > > > > > > > rudraksha are like damaging and putting a hole in the > > forehead > > > > > even > > > > > > > when shivapurana has mentioned and approved of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is the height of hypocricy and false selfglorification > > > > > > > certificates to themselves that they dont drill holes in > > > > > rudraksha, > > > > > > > because these same people are selling rudraksha powder and > > > > > > rudraksha > > > > > > > oil and i have seen them physically selling these rudraksha > > > > > powder > > > > > > > and oil in exhibitions in various cities. going by their > > latest > > > > > > mail > > > > > > > of drilling a hole in forehead and damaging the god, it is > > > > common > > > > > > > sense for any sane member to imagine how many rudrakshas > > these > > > > > > people > > > > > > > have killed, crushed, grounded, pounded, beaten and > > extracted > > > > oil > > > > > > and > > > > > > > powder from them. may be these people have double talk to > > say > > > > > that > > > > > > > drilling a hole is damaging and holing the god while > > crushing > > > > and > > > > > > > killing and making it into an altogether new product like > > > > powder > > > > > > and > > > > > > > oil is not killing the god. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup > > <alstrup@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bottom line here is that Shastra says you CAN drill > > through > > > > > beads > > > > > > > which has no natural hole, (Shiva Purana, Rudraksha > > > > > Jabalopanishad) > > > > > > > so there is no valid argument against this at all !! Unless > > > > > perhaps > > > > > > > you damage the bead in some gross way... About X-rays is > > more > > > > of > > > > > a > > > > > > > philosophical question. There are cosmic, natural and > > manmade > > > > > rays > > > > > > > everywhere. I dont suspect that xrays would harm the power > > of a > > > > > > bead > > > > > > > at all. Since shastra give no advice about checking beads > > > > > > internally > > > > > > > for matching number of internal seeds with lines, but only > > > > count > > > > > > the > > > > > > > lines, I am not so concerned about this, unless one > > checking > > > > rare > > > > > > > beads which could be fake. However, to verify the THEORY > > that > > > > > > genuine > > > > > > > beads ALWAYS have SAME number of SEEDS inside as LINES > > should > > > > be > > > > > > > PROVEN! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Happy New Year to All! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > bala_songyi <balasongyi@ ...> > > > > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 December, 2008 10:48:23 > > > > > > > > Re: Natural hole in Nepali > > Origin > > > > > > > Rudrakshas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear sirs > > > > > > > > Damaged God or Goddess in Rudraksha ??? ÃÆ'â > > €šÃ‚° > > > > interesting > > > > > ÃÆ'‚° > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What about IRRADATION of the Gods in rudraksha via X- > > RAYS ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We do not touch or eat irradiated foods ,,,, due to > > damaged > > > > > > > > nuclearation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any comments :::::: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, Shaligram Shala > > > > > > > > <shaligram8@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail Prabhu. Please accept my best > > wishes, > > > > > all > > > > > > > > glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga, all glories to all the > > > > > devotees > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the Lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Nepalese origin Rudraksha beads have aÃÆ'Æ'ââ > > > > ‚¬Å¡ NATURAL > > > > > > HOLEÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > it is 2 Mukhi round or 3 Mukhi or 4 Mukhi or 8 Mukhi or 9 > > > > Mukhi > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > 10 , 11, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19 and 21 Mukhi. Pl include > > > > thoseÃÆ'Æ'â > > > > > €š > > > > > > Mukhs > > > > > > > > also which I have missed. > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > We actually reject those Rudrakshas in which we suspect > > > > that > > > > > > > > naturally the wire would not go inside. But unfortunately > > few > > > > > > > > Rudraksha suppliers buy those beads only and then drill > > the > > > > > hole > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > them mercilessly and sell them as injured God. > > > > > > > > > It is just equivalent to drilling hole on your forehead > > and > > > > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > good about it and assuming that drilled out damaged bead > > will > > > > > do > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > to you !!! Good Theory !!! > > > > > > > > > Now I am able to understand how the inner seeds can be > > > > > damaged, > > > > > > > > very simple, once you drill the bead, naturally something > > is > > > > > > forced > > > > > > > > inside the auspicious bead and the bead gets damaged by > > the > > > > > > > Rudraksha > > > > > > > > Supplier. > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > I think this action is worse than selling so called Eka > > > > Mukhi > > > > > > > > crippled Rudrakshas which have 4 or 5 seeds inside and > > only > > > > one > > > > > > > Mukh > > > > > > > > seen from the surface. > > > > > > > > > My self, my father and other my relatives who are > > dealing > > > > in > > > > > > > > Rudrakshas since last 20 years were equally amused like I > > > > > > gotÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > amused > > > > > > > > reading the mail. > > > > > > > > > No doubtÃÆ'Æ'‚ his Rudrakshas suppliers > > are > > > > world class > > > > > which > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > best rejected beads in the world.... > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > I have uploded the X Ray pictures of so called Eka > > Mukhi > > > > > wioth > > > > > > 4 > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > 5 seeds inside on my website www.shaligram. com for the > > views > > > > > to > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > and decide whether they would like to wear such Eka Mukhi > > > > > > > Rudrakshas > > > > > > > > in their life.. I am forwarding the link for easy viewing: > > > > > > > > > http://www.shaligra m.com/rudraksha/ 1mukhi.php > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this will help, > > > > > > > > > Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev Namaha > > > > > > > > > I beg to remain yours in the humble service of the Lord > > and > > > > > His > > > > > > > > devotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day, > > > > > > > > > Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the service of > > Their > > > > > > > > Lordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram, > > > > > > > > > Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu, > > > > > > > > > Shri Swayamvyakta- Shaligram- Silas Arpanam Astu, > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > > > > > > Haribol, > > > > > > > > > Rajiv Krishna Dasa, > > > > > > > > > WWW.SHALIGRAM. COM > > > > > > > > > 00 91 9322646421 > > > > > > > > > 00 91 9322646420 > > > > > > > > > 0091 22 24459616 > > > > > > > > > salagram8@ . > > > > > > > > > shaligram8@ .. > > > > > > > > > Address > > > > > > > > > 105, Hammersmith Industrial Estate, > > > > > > > > > Narayan Pathare Marg, > > > > > > > > > Off Shitla Devi Temple Road, Mahim, Mumbai 400037 > > > > > > > > > Maharashtra (India ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 29/12/08, panditarjun2004 > > > > <panditarjun2004@ ....> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > > > > > > > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol dana > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > > > > > Monday, 29 December, 2008, 2:23 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear phadkeji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for your response and to observation of all > > members > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > perfectly round two mukhi like 4,5 or 6 mukhi rudrakhsa > > is > > > > > > > rarest. > > > > > > > > > yes, as you rightly pointed out nepalese mildly pear > > shaped > > > > > two > > > > > > > > mukhi > > > > > > > > > rudraksha too is rare. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another issue on which i request your response is > > whether > > > > all > > > > > > > > > nepalese rudraksha have natural hole. shivpurana states > > > > that > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > rudraksha which have a natural hole from one end to > > other > > > > end > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > most excellent and that those rudraksha which are bored > > > > > through > > > > > > > > human > > > > > > > > > efforts are middling. recently some members went > > overboard > > > > in > > > > > > > > > declaring or certifying as if they are the best judges > > on > > > > > > > rudraksha > > > > > > > > > that ALL NEPALESE RUDRAKSHA HAVE A NATURAL HOLE, nay, > > > > rather > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > were amused and found funny for me being a rudraksha > > seller > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > unaware of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the truth as it stands as seen by those very critical > > > > > members, > > > > > > > > > myself, any other human or any other machine remains > > the > > > > same > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > following: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. there is no rule that all nepalese rudraksha must > > have a > > > > > > > natural > > > > > > > > > hole. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. most two mukhi nepalese rudraksha, especially the > > small > > > > > > sized > > > > > > > > > ones, do not have a natural hole from one end to other > > end. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. most higher mukhi rudrakshas of 8 to 14 mukhi from > > nepal > > > > > do > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > have a natural hole from one end to another end and > > most > > > > (if > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > all) > > > > > > > > > of them have the top portion closed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you kindly give your comments on the above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects@ . . com, > > chandrashekhar > > > > > > phadke > > > > > > > > > <chphadke@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Arjuna ji, > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ââ > > €šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ > > > > ‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > I have mentioned that the 2 mukhi Nepal > > > > beadÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â > > > > > ‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > of my > > > > > > > collection > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > pear shaped (i.e. slightly papillate in the peduncle > > > > region) > > > > > > > > similar > > > > > > > > > to the giant sized three mukhi Nepal > > > > bead.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å > > > > > ¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ The > > > > > > 2 mukhi > > > > > > > Nepal > > > > > > > > bead > > > > > > > > > of my collection is not perfectly round like 4, 5 or 6 > > > > > > > mukhi.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ââ > > €šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ > > > > ‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > The 2 > > > > > > > > > mukhi Nepal rudraksha are generally square and > > > > > oblong.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ > > > > > > €šÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > Pear > > > > > > > > shaped > > > > > > > > > 2 mukhi beads are rarely seen. > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ââ > > €šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ > > > > ‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > With best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ââ > > €šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ > > > > ‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 24/12/08, panditarjun2004 > > > > > <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol > > dana > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 24 December, 2008, 5:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear phadkeji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > till date i was not fortunate to see a perfectly > > round > > > > two > > > > > > > mukhi > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > the regular 4, 5 or 6 mukhi. could you kindly upload > > a > > > > > photo > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > in the group if you have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, > > chandrashekhar > > > > > > phadke > > > > > > > > > > <chphadke@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ole, > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ ÃÆ'¢ > > ââ > > > > ‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ â > > > > > ‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > The round two mukhi Nepal bead which I have > > > > > inÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ > > > > > > > ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'â > > > > €¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ââ > > €šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'â > > > > €š my > > > > > > > > collection > > > > > > > > > > isÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ ÃÆ'¢ > > ââ > > > > ‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ â > > > > > ‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ similar to giant 3 > > > > > > mukhi Nepal rudraksha > > > > > > > i.e.. pear > > > > > > > > shaped > > > > > > > > > bead.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ ÃÆ'¢ > > ââ > > > > ‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ > > > > > €šÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > The other roundÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'â > > € 'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ > > > > ÃÆ'¢â > > > > > €šÂ¬ÃÆ'â €¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ > > ââ > > > > €šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ two > > > > > > mukhi Nepal bead I had > > > > > > > seen was > > > > > > > > similar to > > > > > > > > > > round 4 mukhi regular grade bead.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'â > > > > € 'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â > > > > > €šÂ¬ÃÆ'â €¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ > > > > > > €šÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ ÃÆ'¢ > > ââ > > > > ‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ â > > > > > ‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you and with best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ ÃÆ'¢ > > ââ > > > > ‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ â > > > > > ‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 23/12/08, alstrup <alstrup@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alstrup <alstrup@ > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol > > dana > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 23 December, 2008, 2:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have seen a lot of 2 mukhis on photos, certain > > beads > > > > > will > > > > > > > > appear > > > > > > > > > > > round from one side, besides top and bottom. Some > > beads > > > > > are > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > roundish than others. How round do you want it? I > > have > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > really round beads above 12 mukhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects@ . > > > > com, " panditarjun2004 " > > > > > > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear richardji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your observation is correct that round dvi mukh > > > > > rudraksha > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > nepal > > > > > > > > > > > > is as rare as gol ek mukhi rudraksha from nepal. > > i > > > > may > > > > > > not > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > exaggerating if i say that round two mukhi > > rudrakhsa > > > > is > > > > > > > rarer > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > round one mukhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > till date i could get only small sized genuine > > > > nepalese > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > mukh > > > > > > > > > > > > rudraksha and am not yet fortunate to lay my > > hands on > > > > a > > > > > > > round > > > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > > > mukhi rudraksha from nepal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if any rudraksha sellers are having round two > > mukhi > > > > > > > rudraksha > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > them, they are requested to kindly share that > > > > > photograph > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > > > > > as i appreciate publicly that it is much rarer > > than > > > > > round > > > > > > > ek > > > > > > > > > > mukhi so > > > > > > > > > > > > much so that i failed to get such round two mukhi > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > past > > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > > years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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