Guest guest Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 Dear sirs Damaged God or Goddess in Rudraksha ??? ° interesting ° What about IRRADATION of the Gods in rudraksha via X-RAYS ??? We do not touch or eat irradiated foods ,,,, due to damaged nuclearation any comments :::::: sacred-objects , Shaligram Shala <shaligram8 wrote: > > Hare Krishna Dear Members, > Thanks for your mail Prabhu. Please accept my best wishes, all glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga, all glories to all the devotees of the Lord. > > The Nepalese origin Rudraksha beads have a NATURAL HOLE whether it is 2 Mukhi round or 3 Mukhi or 4 Mukhi or 8 Mukhi or 9 Mukhi or 10 , 11, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19 and 21 Mukhi. Pl include those Mukhs also which I have missed. >  > We actually reject those Rudrakshas in which we suspect that naturally the wire would not go inside. But unfortunately few Rudraksha suppliers buy those beads only and then drill the hole in them mercilessly and sell them as injured God. > It is just equivalent to drilling hole on your forehead and feeling good about it and assuming that drilled out damaged bead will do good to you !!! Good Theory !!! > Now I am able to understand how the inner seeds can be damaged, very simple, once you drill the bead, naturally something is forced inside the auspicious bead and the bead gets damaged by the Rudraksha Supplier. >  > I think this action is worse than selling so called Eka Mukhi crippled Rudrakshas which have 4 or 5 seeds inside and only one Mukh seen from the surface. > My self, my father and other my relatives who are dealing in Rudrakshas since last 20 years were equally amused like I got amused reading the mail. > No doubt his Rudrakshas suppliers are world class which gives the best rejected beads in the world.... >  > I have uploded the X Ray pictures of so called Eka Mukhi wioth 4 or 5 seeds inside on my website www.shaligram.com for the views to see and decide whether they would like to wear such Eka Mukhi Rudrakshas in their life. I am forwarding the link for easy viewing: > http://www.shaligram.com/rudraksha/1mukhi.php > > I hope this will help, > Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev Namaha > I beg to remain yours in the humble service of the Lord and His devotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day, > Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the service of Their Lordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram, > Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu, > Shri Swayamvyakta-Shaligram-Silas Arpanam Astu, > Thanks and Regards, > Haribol, > Rajiv Krishna Dasa, > WWW.SHALIGRAM.COM > 00 91 9322646421 > 00 91 9322646420 > 0091 22 24459616 > salagram8 > shaligram8 > Address > 105, Hammersmith Industrial Estate, > Narayan Pathare Marg, > Off Shitla Devi Temple Road, Mahim, Mumbai 400037 > Maharashtra (India ) > > --- On Mon, 29/12/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol dana > sacred-objects > Monday, 29 December, 2008, 2:23 PM dear phadkeji > > thanks for your response and to observation of all members that > perfectly round two mukhi like 4,5 or 6 mukhi rudrakhsa is rarest. > yes, as you rightly pointed out nepalese mildly pear shaped two mukhi > rudraksha too is rare. > > another issue on which i request your response is whether all > nepalese rudraksha have natural hole. shivpurana states that those > rudraksha which have a natural hole from one end to other end are > most excellent and that those rudraksha which are bored through human > efforts are middling. recently some members went overboard in > declaring or certifying as if they are the best judges on rudraksha > that ALL NEPALESE RUDRAKSHA HAVE A NATURAL HOLE, nay, rather they > were amused and found funny for me being a rudraksha seller is > unaware of it. > > the truth as it stands as seen by those very critical members, > myself, any other human or any other machine remains the same on the > following: > > 1. there is no rule that all nepalese rudraksha must have a natural > hole. > > 2. most two mukhi nepalese rudraksha, especially the small sized > ones, do not have a natural hole from one end to other end. > > 3. most higher mukhi rudrakshas of 8 to 14 mukhi from nepal do not > have a natural hole from one end to another end and most (if not all) > of them have the top portion closed. > > can you kindly give your comments on the above. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > sacred-objects, chandrashekhar phadke > <chphadke@ .> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri. Arjuna ji, > >  > > I have mentioned that the 2 mukhi Nepal bead of my collection is > pear shaped (i.e. slightly papillate in the peduncle region) similar > to the giant sized three mukhi Nepal bead. The 2 mukhi Nepal bead > of my collection is not perfectly round like 4, 5 or 6 mukhi. The 2 > mukhi Nepal rudraksha are generally square and oblong. Pear shaped > 2 mukhi beads are rarely seen. > >  > > With best wishes, > >  > > Chandrashekhar Phadke. > > > > --- On Wed, 24/12/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote: > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol dana > > sacred-objects > > Wednesday, 24 December, 2008, 5:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear phadkeji > > > > till date i was not fortunate to see a perfectly round two mukhi > like > > the regular 4, 5 or 6 mukhi. could you kindly upload a photo of it > > in the group if you have. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > sacred-objects, chandrashekhar phadke > > <chphadke@ .> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ole, > > >  > > > The round two mukhi Nepal bead which I have in my collection > > is similar to giant 3 mukhi Nepal rudraksha i.e.. pear shaped > bead. > > The other round two mukhi Nepal bead I had seen was similar to > > round 4 mukhi regular grade bead. > > >  > > > Thanking you and with best wishes, > > >  > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke > > > > > > --- On Tue, 23/12/08, alstrup <alstrup@ > wrote: > > > > > > alstrup <alstrup@ > > > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol dana > > > sacred-objects > > > Tuesday, 23 December, 2008, 2:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have seen a lot of 2 mukhis on photos, certain beads will appear > > > round from one side, besides top and bottom. Some beads are more > > > roundish than others. How round do you want it? I have never seen > > > really round beads above 12 mukhi. > > > > > > sacred-objects, " panditarjun2004 " > > > <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear richardji > > > > > > > > your observation is correct that round dvi mukh rudraksha from > > nepal > > > > is as rare as gol ek mukhi rudraksha from nepal. i may not be > > > > exaggerating if i say that round two mukhi rudrakhsa is rarer > > than > > > > round one mukhi. > > > > > > > > till date i could get only small sized genuine nepalese two > mukh > > > > rudraksha and am not yet fortunate to lay my hands on a round > two > > > > mukhi rudraksha from nepal. > > > > > > > > if any rudraksha sellers are having round two mukhi rudraksha > > with > > > > them, they are requested to kindly share that photograph in the > > group > > > > as i appreciate publicly that it is much rarer than round ek > > mukhi so > > > > much so that i failed to get such round two mukhi in the past > few > > > > years. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 dear friends very few members like you wish to discuss on the subject rudraksha whereas few have one and only objective of criticising other suppliers in their oneupmanship. members are all intelligent enough to understand the validity of xray test and how they find and count 21 seeds in an xray. all rudraksha buyers and suppliers are aware of several mukhis of nepalese rudraksha especially highers having their top portion closed. all rudraksha wholesellers from nepal as well as these very people are aware of this but just to criticise me they are giving bold certificates to themselves that all their rudraksha have natural holes and that their rejected rudraksha are bought by all other suppliers. they are conveniently forgetting that shivapurana describes rudraksha with a hole bored through human effort is recommended as middling for wearing and to get benefits. it is only bold sacrilege on part of these people to say that humanly holed rudraksha are like damaging and putting a hole in the forehead even when shivapurana has mentioned and approved of it. it is the height of hypocricy and false selfglorification certificates to themselves that they dont drill holes in rudraksha, because these same people are selling rudraksha powder and rudraksha oil and i have seen them physically selling these rudraksha powder and oil in exhibitions in various cities. going by their latest mail of drilling a hole in forehead and damaging the god, it is common sense for any sane member to imagine how many rudrakshas these people have killed, crushed, grounded, pounded, beaten and extracted oil and powder from them. may be these people have double talk to say that drilling a hole is damaging and holing the god while crushing and killing and making it into an altogether new product like powder and oil is not killing the god. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup wrote: > > Bottom line here is that Shastra says you CAN drill through beads which has no natural hole, (Shiva Purana, Rudraksha Jabalopanishad) so there is no valid argument against this at all !! Unless perhaps you damage the bead in some gross way... About X-rays is more of a philosophical question. There are cosmic, natural and manmade rays everywhere. I dont suspect that xrays would harm the power of a bead at all. Since shastra give no advice about checking beads internally for matching number of internal seeds with lines, but only count the lines, I am not so concerned about this, unless one checking rare beads which could be fake. However, to verify the THEORY that genuine beads ALWAYS have SAME number of SEEDS inside as LINES should be PROVEN! > > Happy New Year to All! > > > > > ________________________________ > bala_songyi <balasongyi > sacred-objects > Wednesday, 31 December, 2008 10:48:23 > Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin Rudrakshas > > > Dear sirs > Damaged God or Goddess in Rudraksha ??? ° interesting ° > > What about IRRADATION of the Gods in rudraksha via X-RAYS ??? > > We do not touch or eat irradiated foods ,,,, due to damaged > nuclearation > > any comments :::::: > > sacred-objects, Shaligram Shala > <shaligram8@ ...> wrote: > > > > Hare Krishna Dear Members, > > Thanks for your mail Prabhu. Please accept my best wishes, all > glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga, all glories to all the devotees of > the Lord. > > > > The Nepalese origin Rudraksha beads have a NATURAL HOLE whether > it is 2 Mukhi round or 3 Mukhi or 4 Mukhi or 8 Mukhi or 9 Mukhi or > 10 , 11, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19 and 21 Mukhi. Pl include those Mukhs > also which I have missed. > >  > > We actually reject those Rudrakshas in which we suspect that > naturally the wire would not go inside. But unfortunately few > Rudraksha suppliers buy those beads only and then drill the hole in > them mercilessly and sell them as injured God. > > It is just equivalent to drilling hole on your forehead and feeling > good about it and assuming that drilled out damaged bead will do good > to you !!! Good Theory !!! > > Now I am able to understand how the inner seeds can be damaged, > very simple, once you drill the bead, naturally something is forced > inside the auspicious bead and the bead gets damaged by the Rudraksha > Supplier. > >  > > I think this action is worse than selling so called Eka Mukhi > crippled Rudrakshas which have 4 or 5 seeds inside and only one Mukh > seen from the surface. > > My self, my father and other my relatives who are dealing in > Rudrakshas since last 20 years were equally amused like I got amused > reading the mail. > > No doubt his Rudrakshas suppliers are world class which gives the > best rejected beads in the world.... > >  > > I have uploded the X Ray pictures of so called Eka Mukhi wioth 4 or > 5 seeds inside on my website www.shaligram. com for the views to see > and decide whether they would like to wear such Eka Mukhi Rudrakshas > in their life. I am forwarding the link for easy viewing: > > http://www.shaligra m.com/rudraksha/ 1mukhi.php > > > > I hope this will help, > > Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev Namaha > > I beg to remain yours in the humble service of the Lord and His > devotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day, > > Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the service of Their > Lordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram, > > Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu, > > Shri Swayamvyakta- Shaligram- Silas Arpanam Astu, > > Thanks and Regards, > > Haribol, > > Rajiv Krishna Dasa, > > WWW.SHALIGRAM. COM > > 00 91 9322646421 > > 00 91 9322646420 > > 0091 22 24459616 > > salagram8@ . > > shaligram8@ .. > > Address > > 105, Hammersmith Industrial Estate, > > Narayan Pathare Marg, > > Off Shitla Devi Temple Road, Mahim, Mumbai 400037 > > Maharashtra (India ) > > > > --- On Mon, 29/12/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ....> wrote: > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol dana > > sacred-objects > > Monday, 29 December, 2008, 2:23 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear phadkeji > > > > thanks for your response and to observation of all members that > > perfectly round two mukhi like 4,5 or 6 mukhi rudrakhsa is rarest. > > yes, as you rightly pointed out nepalese mildly pear shaped two > mukhi > > rudraksha too is rare. > > > > another issue on which i request your response is whether all > > nepalese rudraksha have natural hole. shivpurana states that those > > rudraksha which have a natural hole from one end to other end are > > most excellent and that those rudraksha which are bored through > human > > efforts are middling. recently some members went overboard in > > declaring or certifying as if they are the best judges on rudraksha > > that ALL NEPALESE RUDRAKSHA HAVE A NATURAL HOLE, nay, rather they > > were amused and found funny for me being a rudraksha seller is > > unaware of it. > > > > the truth as it stands as seen by those very critical members, > > myself, any other human or any other machine remains the same on > the > > following: > > > > 1. there is no rule that all nepalese rudraksha must have a natural > > hole. > > > > 2. most two mukhi nepalese rudraksha, especially the small sized > > ones, do not have a natural hole from one end to other end. > > > > 3. most higher mukhi rudrakshas of 8 to 14 mukhi from nepal do not > > have a natural hole from one end to another end and most (if not > all) > > of them have the top portion closed. > > > > can you kindly give your comments on the above. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > sacred-objects@ .. com, chandrashekhar phadke > > <chphadke@ .> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri. Arjuna ji, > > >  > > > I have mentioned that the 2 mukhi Nepal bead of my collection > is > > pear shaped (i.e. slightly papillate in the peduncle region) > similar > > to the giant sized three mukhi Nepal bead. The 2 mukhi Nepal > bead > > of my collection is not perfectly round like 4, 5 or 6 mukhi. > The 2 > > mukhi Nepal rudraksha are generally square and oblong. Pear > shaped > > 2 mukhi beads are rarely seen. > > >  > > > With best wishes, > > >  > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke. > > > > > > --- On Wed, 24/12/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > wrote: > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol dana > > > sacred-objects > > > Wednesday, 24 December, 2008, 5:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear phadkeji > > > > > > till date i was not fortunate to see a perfectly round two mukhi > > like > > > the regular 4, 5 or 6 mukhi. could you kindly upload a photo of > it > > > in the group if you have. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > sacred-objects, chandrashekhar phadke > > > <chphadke@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ole, > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > The round two mukhi Nepal bead which I have inÃÆ'â €šÃ‚ my > collection > > > isÃÆ'‚ similar to giant 3 mukhi Nepal rudraksha i.e.. pear > shaped > > bead.ÃÆ'‚ > > > The other roundÃÆ'‚ two mukhi Nepal bead I had seen was > similar to > > > round 4 mukhi regular grade bead.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Thanking you and with best wishes, > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 23/12/08, alstrup <alstrup@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > alstrup <alstrup@ > > > > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol dana > > > > sacred-objects > > > > Tuesday, 23 December, 2008, 2:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have seen a lot of 2 mukhis on photos, certain beads will > appear > > > > round from one side, besides top and bottom. Some beads are more > > > > roundish than others. How round do you want it? I have never > seen > > > > really round beads above 12 mukhi. > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, " panditarjun2004 " > > > > <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear richardji > > > > > > > > > > your observation is correct that round dvi mukh rudraksha > from > > > nepal > > > > > is as rare as gol ek mukhi rudraksha from nepal. i may not be > > > > > exaggerating if i say that round two mukhi rudrakhsa is rarer > > > than > > > > > round one mukhi. > > > > > > > > > > till date i could get only small sized genuine nepalese two > > mukh > > > > > rudraksha and am not yet fortunate to lay my hands on a round > > two > > > > > mukhi rudraksha from nepal. > > > > > > > > > > if any rudraksha sellers are having round two mukhi rudraksha > > > with > > > > > them, they are requested to kindly share that photograph in > the > > > group > > > > > as i appreciate publicly that it is much rarer than round ek > > > mukhi so > > > > > much so that i failed to get such round two mukhi in the past > > few > > > > > years. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > > > http://messenger. / invite/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > > http://messenger. / invite/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > http://messenger. / invite/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 Dear Rajiv Krishna Dasa,Hare KrishnaThank you very much for providing the information about how medicine is made from naturally dried seeds of these Himalayan beads, this was very comforting to know.These are the following available references from Shastra* about hole in Rudrakshas:Shiva Purana Chapter 25, Verse 23:"That which has a natural hole from end to end is the most excellent; that which is bored through by human effort is the middling one."Jabalopanishad "If rudraksha has a natural hole at the appropriate place then it is best. If the hold is made by force then it is medium quality rudraksha."Srimad Devi BhagavatamChapter 7, 1-4.Those Rudraksha that have their holes by nature running through and through are best; and those that have have their holes pierces by men are middling."* These verses translated by KN Seetha, Power of Rudraksha 2nd expanded EditionIt is my own limited personal experience that in some beads you have to use a lot of force (or patience) to carefully get the natural stalk like material out from the centre of the bead, which in some cases could include drilling with a machine. You can drill with a toothpick or needle, or a drill machine. The scriptural statement "made by force" is definitely a very broad term which would allow careful drilling. Also in 2006 I was told wholeseller/retailer Mukunda Khatiwada of Nepa Rudraksha in Kathmandu that most 4, 5 and 6 Mukhi Nepali beads have strong seal on the bottom which require drill machine. Can anyone confirm this?Again again, the point is that Shastra never talk about seeds ANYWHERE, they always refer to the number of mukhi lines to determine what is the power of the bead, so this notion of equal seeds/mukhi lines is not supported by Shastra. Thanks,Y/S, OleShaligram Shala <shaligram8sacred-objects Sent: Thursday, 1 January, 2009 5:57:52Re: Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin Rudrakshas Hare Krishna Members, Please accept my best wishes, all glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga, all glories to all the devotees of the Lord.I wanted to finish on to this discussion, but just new topics keep coming and confusions are created because of ignorance and no knowledge on the subject. But trying to prove some how or the other that one is right with illogical thought process. The Nepali bead Rudraksha has a internal structure such that the centre part inside the bead is weak and can easily be pierced thro the wire WITHOUT DRILLING. The seeds are towards the middle or towards the periphery on each bead and they dont come on the way under any circumstances while piercing the bead for capping thro the centre. Yes if the bead is deformed then the seeds can come on the way. But by experience any person can found out whether the bead is well formed or not and reject those beads which are liable to have this problem. But ofcourse all these rejected beads are sold at the lesser price so few Suppliers are attracted to it to generate more profits. Secondly I want to ask a simple uestion from the members that which the energy Srot ( energy part) in any Rudrakshas. I mean whether it is The SEEDS or the MUKHS ? Pl answer this question rartionally. In my view it is seeds and not Mukhs as Mukhs are merely the channels to take the energy given by the seeds. So the seeds have to equal and complete as per the Mukhs or not??? So if you are wearing a bead which is not tested for same no. of seeds vis a vis Mukhs, then you will not get the effect of that Mukhi bead. It is amply clear that several well developed beads too have lesser seeds than Mukhs. But will take that bead and assume that that is say 8 Mukhi when the seeds inside are 6 or 7. Do you think that such a bead will give you same effect as a bead with 8 seeds and 8 Mukhs ??? So pl ponder on this. In my view you should go for well tested beads than to believe suppliers who actually themselves does'nt know what they are giving to you, in that how many seeds have damaged due to DRILLING and making you wear injured GOD who will actually curse you then to bless you. So be careful and be rational. Now lastly one gentleman has assumed that normal Rudrakshas or their seeds are crushed to make powder or things like that. Does he really know the procedure of making powder and other things out of Rudrakshas ??? or firing like a miss guided, ill informed missile which is directionless and does't know what is head and tail and ultimately gets blasted with the same missile himself. For the knowledge of members the Rudraksha powder or other products are made from the natural dried up seeds. Normally the seeds are slightly wet inside the bead. In the interior of HIMALAYAS there are several places which are not inhabitated by the humans and there also are several trees of Rudrakshas. There beads especially the lower Mukhs like 3 Mukjhi, 4 Mukhi and 5 Mukhi 6 Mukhis are left there only higher mukhs are taken due to weight constraint. These Rudrakshas dries up naturally and their Mukhs opens up naturally and the dried seeds comes out. Now these seeds are collected for making the Rudrakshas products. I want to further submit that for making Rudrakshas beads products the wet bead can never be used, it is only naturally dried beads which can be used. I hope this clarifies the doubt which is created by knwledgeless suppliers. I hereby again reitreate and caution Rudrakshas lovers that pl be beware of suppliers which deal in low quality beads and give damaged beads to the devotees and sell Rs. 2000 crippled so called one mukhi with 4 or 5 seeds inside for a Lakhs and cheat the devotees by self styled so called energisation of beads for their own benefit. Om Shanti Shanti Shanti I hope this will help,Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev NamahaI beg to remain yours in the humble service of the Lord and His devotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day,Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the service of Their Lordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram,Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu,Shri Swayamvyakta- Shaligram- Silas Arpanam Astu, Thanks and Regards, Haribol, Rajiv Krishna Dasa,WWW.SHALIGRAM. COM00 91 932264642100 91 93226464200091 22 24459616salagram8 shaligram8 Address105, Hammersmith Industrial Estate,Narayan Pathare Marg,Off Shitla Devi Temple Road, Mahim, Mumbai 400037 Maharashtra (India )--- On Wed, 31/12/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin Rudrakshassacred-objectsWednesday, 31 December, 2008, 10:02 AM dear friendsvery few members like you wish to discuss on the subject rudraksha whereas few have one and only objective of criticising other suppliers in their oneupmanship. members are all intelligent enough to understand the validity of xray test and how they find and count 21 seeds in an xray.all rudraksha buyers and suppliers are aware of several mukhis of nepalese rudraksha especially highers having their top portion closed. all rudraksha wholesellers from nepal as well as these very people are aware of this but just to criticise me they are giving bold certificates to themselves that all their rudraksha have natural holes and that their rejected rudraksha are bought by all other suppliers. they are conveniently forgetting that shivapurana describes rudraksha with a hole bored through human effort is recommended as middling for wearing and to get benefits. it is only bold sacrilege on part of these people to say that humanly holed rudraksha are like damaging and putting a hole in the forehead even when shivapurana has mentioned and approved of it..it is the height of hypocricy and false selfglorification certificates to themselves that they dont drill holes in rudraksha, because these same people are selling rudraksha powder and rudraksha oil and i have seen them physically selling these rudraksha powder and oil in exhibitions in various cities. going by their latest mail of drilling a hole in forehead and damaging the god, it is common sense for any sane member to imagine how many rudrakshas these people have killed, crushed, grounded, pounded, beaten and extracted oil and powder from them. may be these people have double talk to say that drilling a hole is damaging and holing the god while crushing and killing and making it into an altogether new product like powder and oil is not killing the god.with best wishes and blessingspandit arjunwww.rudraksharemedy ..comsacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup > wrote:>> Bottom line here is that Shastra says you CAN drill through beads which has no natural hole, (Shiva Purana, Rudraksha Jabalopanishad) so there is no valid argument against this at all !! Unless perhaps you damage the bead in some gross way... About X-rays is more of a philosophical question. There are cosmic, natural and manmade rays everywhere. I dont suspect that xrays would harm the power of a bead at all. Since shastra give no advice about checking beads internally for matching number of internal seeds with lines, but only count the lines, I am not so concerned about this, unless one checking rare beads which could be fake. However, to verify the THEORY that genuine beads ALWAYS have SAME number of SEEDS inside as LINES should be PROVEN!> > Happy New Year to All! > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> bala_songyi <balasongyi@ ...>> sacred-objects> Wednesday, 31 December, 2008 10:48:23> Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin Rudrakshas> > > Dear sirs> Damaged God or Goddess in Rudraksha ??? ° interesting °> > What about IRRADATION of the Gods in rudraksha via X-RAYS ???> > We do not touch or eat irradiated foods ,,,, due to damaged > nuclearation> > any comments ::::::> > sacred-objects, Shaligram Shala > <shaligram8@ ...> wrote:> >> > Hare Krishna Dear Members, > > Thanks for your mail Prabhu. Please accept my best wishes, all > glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga, all glories to all the devotees of > the Lord.> > > > The Nepalese origin Rudraksha beads have a NATURAL HOLE whether > it is 2 Mukhi round or 3 Mukhi or 4 Mukhi or 8 Mukhi or 9 Mukhi or > 10 , 11, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19 and 21 Mukhi. Pl include those Mukhs > also which I have missed. > >  > > We actually reject those Rudrakshas in which we suspect that > naturally the wire would not go inside. But unfortunately few > Rudraksha suppliers buy those beads only and then drill the hole in > them mercilessly and sell them as injured God. > > It is just equivalent to drilling hole on your forehead and feeling > good about it and assuming that drilled out damaged bead will do good > to you !!! Good Theory !!!> > Now I am able to understand how the inner seeds can be damaged, > very simple, once you drill the bead, naturally something is forced > inside the auspicious bead and the bead gets damaged by the Rudraksha > Supplier. > >  > > I think this action is worse than selling so called Eka Mukhi > crippled Rudrakshas which have 4 or 5 seeds inside and only one Mukh > seen from the surface.> > My self, my father and other my relatives who are dealing in > Rudrakshas since last 20 years were equally amused like I got amused > reading the mail. > > No doubt his Rudrakshas suppliers are world class which gives the > best rejected beads in the world.... > >  > > I have uploded the X Ray pictures of so called Eka Mukhi wioth 4 or > 5 seeds inside on my website www.shaligram. com for the views to see > and decide whether they would like to wear such Eka Mukhi Rudrakshas > in their life.. I am forwarding the link for easy viewing:> > http://www.shaligra m.com/rudraksha/ 1mukhi.php> > > > I hope this will help,> > Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev Namaha> > I beg to remain yours in the humble service of the Lord and His > devotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day,> > Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the service of Their > Lordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram,> > Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu,> > Shri Swayamvyakta- Shaligram- Silas Arpanam Astu, > > Thanks and Regards, > > Haribol, > > Rajiv Krishna Dasa,> > WWW.SHALIGRAM. COM> > 00 91 9322646421> > 00 91 9322646420> > 0091 22 24459616> > salagram8@ .> > shaligram8@ ..> > Address> > 105, Hammersmith Industrial Estate,> > Narayan Pathare Marg,> > Off Shitla Devi Temple Road, Mahim, Mumbai 400037 > > Maharashtra (India )> > > > --- On Mon, 29/12/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ....> wrote:> > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...>> > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol dana> > sacred-objects> > Monday, 29 December, 2008, 2:23 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear phadkeji> > > > thanks for your response and to observation of all members that > > perfectly round two mukhi like 4,5 or 6 mukhi rudrakhsa is rarest. > > yes, as you rightly pointed out nepalese mildly pear shaped two > mukhi > > rudraksha too is rare.> > > > another issue on which i request your response is whether all > > nepalese rudraksha have natural hole. shivpurana states that those > > rudraksha which have a natural hole from one end to other end are > > most excellent and that those rudraksha which are bored through > human > > efforts are middling. recently some members went overboard in > > declaring or certifying as if they are the best judges on rudraksha > > that ALL NEPALESE RUDRAKSHA HAVE A NATURAL HOLE, nay, rather they > > were amused and found funny for me being a rudraksha seller is > > unaware of it.> > > > the truth as it stands as seen by those very critical members, > > myself, any other human or any other machine remains the same on > the > > following:> > > > 1. there is no rule that all nepalese rudraksha must have a natural > > hole.> > > > 2. most two mukhi nepalese rudraksha, especially the small sized > > ones, do not have a natural hole from one end to other end.> > > > 3. most higher mukhi rudrakshas of 8 to 14 mukhi from nepal do not > > have a natural hole from one end to another end and most (if not > all) > > of them have the top portion closed.> > > > can you kindly give your comments on the above.> > > > with best wishes and blessings> > pandit arjun> > www.rudraksharemedy .com> > > > sacred-objects@ . . com, chandrashekhar phadke > > <chphadke@ .> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Shri. Arjuna ji,> > >  > > > I have mentioned that the 2 mukhi Nepal bead of my collection > is > > pear shaped (i.e. slightly papillate in the peduncle region) > similar > > to the giant sized three mukhi Nepal bead. The 2 mukhi Nepal > bead > > of my collection is not perfectly round like 4, 5 or 6 mukhi. > The 2 > > mukhi Nepal rudraksha are generally square and oblong. Pear > shaped > > 2 mukhi beads are rarely seen.> > >  > > > With best wishes,> > >  > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke.> > > > > > --- On Wed, 24/12/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > wrote:> > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...>> > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol dana> > > sacred-objects> > > Wednesday, 24 December, 2008, 5:03 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear phadkeji> > > > > > till date i was not fortunate to see a perfectly round two mukhi > > like > > > the regular 4, 5 or 6 mukhi. could you kindly upload a photo of > it > > > in the group if you have.> > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > pandit arjun> > > www.rudraksharemedy .com> > > > > > sacred-objects, chandrashekhar phadke > > > <chphadke@ .> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Ole,> > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > The round two mukhi Nepal bead which I have inÃÆ'‚ my > collection > > > isÃÆ'‚ similar to giant 3 mukhi Nepal rudraksha i.e.. pear > shaped > > bead.ÃÆ'‚ > > > The other roundÃÆ'‚ two mukhi Nepal bead I had seen was > similar to > > > round 4 mukhi regular grade bead.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Thanking you and with best wishes,> > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke> > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 23/12/08, alstrup <alstrup@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > alstrup <alstrup@ >> > > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol dana> > > > sacred-objects> > > > Tuesday, 23 December, 2008, 2:49 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have seen a lot of 2 mukhis on photos, certain beads will > appear> > > > round from one side, besides top and bottom. Some beads are more> > > > roundish than others. How round do you want it? I have never > seen> > > > really round beads above 12 mukhi.> > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "panditarjun2004"> > > > <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > dear richardji> > > > > > > > > > your observation is correct that round dvi mukh rudraksha > from > > > nepal > > > > > is as rare as gol ek mukhi rudraksha from nepal. i may not be > > > > > exaggerating if i say that round two mukhi rudrakhsa is rarer > > > than > > > > > round one mukhi.> > > > > > > > > > till date i could get only small sized genuine nepalese two > > mukh > > > > > rudraksha and am not yet fortunate to lay my hands on a round > > two > > > > > mukhi rudraksha from nepal.> > > > > > > > > > if any rudraksha sellers are having round two mukhi rudraksha > > > with > > > > > them, they are requested to kindly share that photograph in > the > > > group > > > > > as i appreciate publicly that it is much rarer than round ek > > > mukhi so > > > > > much so that i failed to get such round two mukhi in the past > > few > > > > > years.> > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Dear Ole With ref.to your reply to Shri Rajiv let me tell my experence with Rudraksha,I bought few Rudraksha Fruits from Nepal and I myself cleaned them and made one mala for me(32+1),first obious visible factor was the color of these Rudraksha,they are having honey color,not black or colored red or yellowish shade,they are perfect honey colored. About holes,one has to use a tiny needle first to remove obsticles on mukh and tail side and after that that small sawing needle easily passes into Rudraksha without any troubles,what Mukunda said is half true.I just cleaned the top and bottom area of bead with that needle from outside(did not push it with force or tried pushing it hard into the bead).I shall try to post photo of bead so you can have an idea how is the color they have. thanks Note:-My nails are not that long else I think one can use nails and remove obsticle visible on mukh and puchchh so I used tiny needle. ================= Also in 2006 I was told wholeseller/ retailer Mukunda Khatiwada of Nepa Rudraksha in Kathmandu that most 4, 5 and 6 Mukhi Nepali beads have strong seal on the bottom which require drill machine. Can anyone confirm this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Dear TpI am used to cleaning raw beads myself, I have cleaned from 2-14 mukhi, so I got enough experience to clean the stalk material out from beads. I should mention I never used a drill machine, but some beads took a long time to get it out, I also had to use a pincet to extract, so I can imagine that some would prefer to just drill through the stalk material to save time. But would very much like to see these honey colored beads, honey can be many colors! I believe these must be yellow color variety. I believe that yellow is often the color of unripen beads, but we never finished this particular discussion about this subject matter in 2007. Also I believe there are various methods of cleaning the pulp and this is why we sometimes we get beads which have damaged color, they are greyish and when exposed to oil they become dark very fast. It would seem that fully mature beads (with fully developed seeds) are quite rare on the market, I have been told only 5-10% of all beads, perhaps higher mukhi beads of this sort is even more rare, due to the fact that the farmers harvest early to avoid risk of theft, especially with higher mukhi beads as one can see shape and size of the higher bead from the outer appearance of the fruit, these fully matured beads have a dark brown color and heavy weight and surface brown color of bead look very different from lighter beads which have been soaked in oil to become darker and heavier. I have posted photos in Sept 2007 of a bead like this at sacred-objects/photos/album/1936294074/pic/listLooking forward to see the photo of your mala beads.Thanks,Oletp mods <tpmodssacred-objects Sent: Friday, 2 January, 2009 3:44:42Re: Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin Rudrakshas Dear Ole With ref.to your reply to Shri Rajiv let me tell my experence with Rudraksha,I bought few Rudraksha Fruits from Nepal and I myself cleaned them and made one mala for me(32+1),first obious visible factor was the color of these Rudraksha,they are having honey color,not black or colored red or yellowish shade,they are perfect honey colored. About holes,one has to use a tiny needle first to remove obsticles on mukh and tail side and after that that small sawing needle easily passes into Rudraksha without any troubles,what Mukunda said is half true.I just cleaned the top and bottom area of bead with that needle from outside(did not push it with force or tried pushing it hard into the bead).I shall try to post photo of bead so you can have an idea how is the color they have. thanks Note:-My nails are not that long else I think one can use nails and remove obsticle visible on mukh and puchchh so I used tiny needle. ============ ===== Also in 2006 I was told wholeseller/ retailer Mukunda Khatiwada of Nepa Rudraksha in Kathmandu that most 4, 5 and 6 Mukhi Nepali beads have strong seal on the bottom which require drill machine. Can anyone confirm this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Dear Arjuna ji, I do not agree with you regarding either insertion or removal of rudraksha seeds. It is not possible either to insert or remove seeds from rudraksha, keeping the bead intact. Seeds can be removed only after breaking the bead. Rudraksha seeds are situated in locules. These locules are under the cleft or mukhi. One locule for each cleft as far as Elaeocarpus angustifolius is concerned, i.e. Nepal or Indonesian rudraksha. Only in case of oval Haridwar rudraksha whether one mukhi, two mukhi or three mukhi, there is only sigle locule and one seed in it. One can not insert seeds from outside in rudraksha locules. In Nepal or Indonesian rudraksha not all locules develop seeds especially higher mukhi beads. In higher mukhi beads many times clefts or mukhi are very close to each other, rarely two clefts share common wall. In such cases there are no seeds in a perticular locule and locule is also very poorly formed like a thin slit. It is very difficult to interprete rudraksha X-ray. If customer insists to have rudraksha X-ray showing seeds equal to mukhi then he has to take only three mukhi to 6 mukhi at the most 7 mukhi rudraksha. I have personally noticed that even in 5 mukhi bead sometimes seeds are not well developed and one or two locules are slitformed and naturally empty. Thanking you and with best wishes. Chandrashekhar Phadke--- On Fri, 2/1/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin Rudrakshassacred-objects Date: Friday, 2 January, 2009, 6:20 AM dear olejiyour concluding observation is true and ordained by the scriptures that the scriptures talk only of faces or lines on the outer surface.i can easily demonstrate how seeds can be removed from a rudraksha and also seeds can be put into a rudrakhsa. if one were to blindly count the seeds within, lo, you can find a zero seed nirakar rudraksha as well 100 seeds within a 14mukhi rudraksha and sell it as a 100mukhi just because it has 100 seeds within. here the customers shall care a damn for the external lines which are fewer in number and shall put weightage only on the inserted extra seeds. the process is made explicitly simpler since seed based suppliers find a SUFFICIENTLY NATURALLY FORMED LARGE HOLE in all their rudrakshas.the bottomline is simple. i sell rudraksha only on the basis of the way a rudraksha to be identified as ordained by ALL scriptures.if others wish to sell on new theories of some invisible things by subjecting the holy gods under a radiation test, they are at liberty to do so. the problem here is that they shall not try to paint the shastras in poor light and those selling rudraksha only based on shastra ordained identification rules as primitive and outdated.anyway, it is all a matter of faith that the rudraksha itself represent lord shiva and is treated as lord shiva and it is never sold as a commodity. those who treat it as a commodity sell it as a commodity with certificates, tests, et all. an image of god is seen as god and is not sold as a commodity. its value lies in the faith that it is god and similarly rudraksha which are botanical seeds are bought not as vegetables that commodity sellers sell but because of treating them as divine.lastly, your finding comfort in using the rudraksha powder and rudraksha oil as holy and divine is based on the logic that it is extracted not from live rudraksha but from naturally dried, dead, bursted, broken, exposed rudraksha and or its seeds. for those who do treat rudraksha as a commodity, this theory sounds logical but for those who rever rudraksha as god like me, it is simply unimaginable for applying such dried, dead, bursted, broken forms of rudraksha crushed and beaten to produce some usable commodity as oil and powder.the bottomline is very simple. here are two types of sellers of rudraksha. one those who treat it as god. other who treat it as a commodity. you heard stories of how theists find god in stones and athiests find stones just as stones.if members are sour at reading these two different ways of treating and selling rudraksha, i would rest my case under those who treat rudraksha as god and sell them as god embodiments. if others sell it as perishable commodity, they are at liberty to do so.with best wishes and blessingspandit arjunwww.rudraksharemedy .comsacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup > wrote:>> Dear Rajiv Krishna Dasa,> > Hare Krishna> > Thank you very much for providing the information about how medicine is made from naturally dried seeds of these Himalayan beads, this was very comforting to know.> > These are the following available references from Shastra* about hole in Rudrakshas:> > Shiva Purana Chapter 25, Verse 23:> > "That which has a natural hole from end to end is the most excellent; that which is bored through by human effort is the middling one."> > Jabalopanishad > > "If> rudraksha has a natural hole at the appropriate place then it is best.> If the hold is made by force then it is medium quality rudraksha."> > Srimad Devi Bhagavatam> > Chapter 7, 1-4.> > Those Rudraksha that have their holes by nature running through and through are best; and those that have have their holes pierces by men are middling."> > * These verses translated by KN Seetha, Power of Rudraksha 2nd expanded Edition> > It> is my own limited personal experience that in some beads you have to> use a lot of force (or patience) to carefully get the natural stalk like material out from> the centre of the bead, which in some cases could include> drilling with a machine. You can drill with a toothpick or needle, or a drill machine. The scriptural statement "made by force" is definitely a very> broad term which would allow careful drilling. > > Also in 2006 I was told> wholeseller/ retailer Mukunda Khatiwada of Nepa Rudraksha in Kathmandu> that most 4, 5 and 6 Mukhi Nepali beads have strong seal on the bottom which> require drill machine. Can anyone confirm this?> > Again again, the point is that Shastra never talk about seeds ANYWHERE, they always refer to the number of mukhi lines to determine what is the power of the bead, so this notion of equal seeds/mukhi lines is not supported by Shastra. > > Thanks,> > Y/S, Ole> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Shaligram Shala <shaligram8@ ...>> sacred-objects> Thursday, 1 January, 2009 5:57:52> Re: Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin Rudrakshas> > > Hare Krishna Members, > Please accept my best wishes, all glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga, all glories to all the devotees of the Lord.> I wanted to finish on to this discussion, but just new topics keep coming and confusions are created because of ignorance and no knowledge on the subject. But trying to prove > some how or the other that one is right with illogical thought process.> > The Nepali bead Rudraksha has a internal structure such that the centre part inside the bead is weak and can easily be pierced thro the wire WITHOUT DRILLING. The seeds are towards the middle or towards the periphery on each bead and they dont come on the way under any circumstances while piercing the bead for capping thro the centre.> Yes if the bead is deformed then the seeds can come on the way. But by experience any person can found out whether the bead is well formed or not and reject those beads which are liable to have this problem. But ofcourse all these rejected beads are sold at the lesser price so few Suppliers are attracted to it to generate more profits.> > Secondly I want to ask a simple uestion from the members that which the energy Srot ( energy part) in any Rudrakshas. I mean whether it is The SEEDS or the MUKHS ? Pl answer this question rartionally. In my view it is seeds and not Mukhs as Mukhs are merely the channels to take the energy given by the seeds. So the seeds have to equal and complete as per the Mukhs or not??? So if you are wearing a bead which is not tested for > same no. of seeds vis a vis Mukhs, then you will not get the effect of that Mukhi bead. > It is amply clear that several well developed beads too have lesser seeds than Mukhs. But will take that bead and assume that that is say 8 Mukhi when the seeds inside are 6 or 7. Do you think that such a bead will give you same effect as a bead with 8 seeds and 8 Mukhs ??? So pl ponder on this. In my view you should go for well tested beads than to believe suppliers who actually themselves does'nt know what they are giving to you, in that how many seeds have damaged due to DRILLING and making you wear injured GOD who will actually curse you then to bless you. So be careful and be rational.> > Now lastly one gentleman has assumed that normal Rudrakshas or their seeds are crushed to make powder or things like that. Does he really know the procedure of making powder and other things out of Rudrakshas ??? or firing like a miss guided, ill informed > missile which is directionless and does't know what is head and tail and ultimately gets blasted with the same missile himself.> > For the knowledge of members the Rudraksha powder or other products are made from the natural dried up seeds. Normally the seeds are slightly wet inside the bead. In the interior of HIMALAYAS there are several places which are not inhabitated by the humans and there also are several trees of Rudrakshas. There beads especially the lower Mukhs like 3 Mukjhi, 4 Mukhi and 5 Mukhi 6 Mukhis are left there only higher mukhs are taken due to weight constraint. These Rudrakshas dries up naturally and their Mukhs opens up naturally and the dried seeds comes out. Now these seeds are collected for making the Rudrakshas products.> I want to further submit that for making Rudrakshas beads products the wet bead can never be used, it is only naturally dried beads which can be used. > > I hope this clarifies the doubt which is created by knwledgeless suppliers.> > I hereby again reitreate and caution Rudrakshas lovers that pl be beware of suppliers which deal in low quality beads and give damaged beads to the devotees and sell Rs. 2000 crippled so called one mukhi with 4 or 5 seeds inside for a Lakhs and cheat the devotees by self styled so called energisation of beads for their own benefit.> > Om Shanti Shanti Shanti > > I hope this will help,> Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev Namaha> I beg to remain yours in the humble service of the Lord and His devotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day,> Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the service of Their Lordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram,> Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu,> Shri Swayamvyakta- Shaligram- Silas Arpanam Astu, > Thanks and Regards, > Haribol, > Rajiv Krishna Dasa,> WWW.SHALIGRAM. COM> 00 91 9322646421> 00 91 9322646420> 0091 22 24459616> salagram8 (AT) (DOT) com> shaligram8 > Address> 105, Hammersmith Industrial Estate,> Narayan Pathare Marg,> Off Shitla Devi Temple Road, Mahim, Mumbai 400037 > Maharashtra (India )> > --- On Wed, 31/12/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote:> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ >> Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin Rudrakshas> sacred-objects> Wednesday, 31 December, 2008, 10:02 AM> > > dear friends> > very few members like you wish to discuss on the subject rudraksha > whereas few have one and only objective of criticising other > suppliers in their oneupmanship. members are all intelligent enough > to understand the validity of xray test and how they find and count > 21 seeds in an xray.> > all rudraksha buyers and suppliers are aware of several mukhis of > nepalese rudraksha especially highers having their top portion > closed. all rudraksha wholesellers from nepal as well as these very > people are aware of this but just to criticise me they are giving > bold certificates to themselves that all their rudraksha have natural > holes and that their rejected rudraksha are bought by all other > suppliers. they are conveniently forgetting that shivapurana > describes rudraksha with a hole bored through human effort is > recommended as middling for wearing and to get benefits. it is only > bold sacrilege on part of these people to say that humanly holed > rudraksha are like damaging and putting a hole in the forehead even > when shivapurana has mentioned and approved of it.> > it is the height of hypocricy and false selfglorification > certificates to themselves that they dont drill holes in rudraksha, > because these same people are selling rudraksha powder and rudraksha > oil and i have seen them physically selling these rudraksha powder > and oil in exhibitions in various cities. going by their latest mail > of drilling a hole in forehead and damaging the god, it is common > sense for any sane member to imagine how many rudrakshas these people > have killed, crushed, grounded, pounded, beaten and extracted oil and > powder from them. may be these people have double talk to say that > drilling a hole is damaging and holing the god while crushing and > killing and making it into an altogether new product like powder and > oil is not killing the god.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy .com> > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ > > wrote:> >> > Bottom line here is that Shastra says you CAN drill through beads > which has no natural hole, (Shiva Purana, Rudraksha Jabalopanishad) > so there is no valid argument against this at all !! Unless perhaps > you damage the bead in some gross way... About X-rays is more of a > philosophical question. There are cosmic, natural and manmade rays > everywhere. I dont suspect that xrays would harm the power of a bead > at all. Since shastra give no advice about checking beads internally > for matching number of internal seeds with lines, but only count the > lines, I am not so concerned about this, unless one checking rare > beads which could be fake. However, to verify the THEORY that genuine > beads ALWAYS have SAME number of SEEDS inside as LINES should be > PROVEN!> > > > Happy New Year to All! > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > bala_songyi <balasongyi@ ...>> > sacred-objects> > Wednesday, 31 December, 2008 10:48:23> > Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin > Rudrakshas> > > > > > Dear sirs> > Damaged God or Goddess in Rudraksha ??? ° interesting °> > > > What about IRRADATION of the Gods in rudraksha via X-RAYS ???> > > > We do not touch or eat irradiated foods ,,,, due to damaged > > nuclearation> > > > any comments ::::::> > > > sacred-objects, Shaligram Shala > > <shaligram8@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Hare Krishna Dear Members, > > > Thanks for your mail Prabhu. Please accept my best wishes, all > > glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga, all glories to all the devotees > of > > the Lord.> > > > > > The Nepalese origin Rudraksha beads have a NATURAL HOLE > whether > > it is 2 Mukhi round or 3 Mukhi or 4 Mukhi or 8 Mukhi or 9 Mukhi or > > 10 , 11, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19 and 21 Mukhi. Pl include those Mukhs > > also which I have missed. > > >  > > > We actually reject those Rudrakshas in which we suspect that > > naturally the wire would not go inside. But unfortunately few > > Rudraksha suppliers buy those beads only and then drill the hole in > > them mercilessly and sell them as injured God. > > > It is just equivalent to drilling hole on your forehead and > feeling > > good about it and assuming that drilled out damaged bead will do > good > > to you !!! Good Theory !!!> > > Now I am able to understand how the inner seeds can be damaged, > > very simple, once you drill the bead, naturally something is forced > > inside the auspicious bead and the bead gets damaged by the > Rudraksha > > Supplier. > > >  > > > I think this action is worse than selling so called Eka Mukhi > > crippled Rudrakshas which have 4 or 5 seeds inside and only one > Mukh > > seen from the surface.> > > My self, my father and other my relatives who are dealing in > > Rudrakshas since last 20 years were equally amused like I got > amused > > reading the mail. > > > No doubt his Rudrakshas suppliers are world class which gives > the > > best rejected beads in the world.... > > >  > > > I have uploded the X Ray pictures of so called Eka Mukhi wioth 4 > or > > 5 seeds inside on my website www.shaligram. com for the views to > see > > and decide whether they would like to wear such Eka Mukhi > Rudrakshas > > in their life.. I am forwarding the link for easy viewing:> > > http://www.shaligra m.com/rudraksha/ 1mukhi.php> > > > > > I hope this will help,> > > Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev Namaha> > > I beg to remain yours in the humble service of the Lord and His > > devotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day,> > > Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the service of Their > > Lordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram,> > > Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu,> > > Shri Swayamvyakta- Shaligram- Silas Arpanam Astu, > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > Haribol, > > > Rajiv Krishna Dasa,> > > WWW.SHALIGRAM. COM> > > 00 91 9322646421> > > 00 91 9322646420> > > 0091 22 24459616> > > salagram8@ .> > > shaligram8@ ..> > > Address> > > 105, Hammersmith Industrial Estate,> > > Narayan Pathare Marg,> > > Off Shitla Devi Temple Road, Mahim, Mumbai 400037 > > > Maharashtra (India )> > > > > > --- On Mon, 29/12/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ....> > wrote:> > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...>> > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol dana> > > sacred-objects> > > Monday, 29 December, 2008, 2:23 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear phadkeji> > > > > > thanks for your response and to observation of all members that > > > perfectly round two mukhi like 4,5 or 6 mukhi rudrakhsa is > rarest. > > > yes, as you rightly pointed out nepalese mildly pear shaped two > > mukhi > > > rudraksha too is rare.> > > > > > another issue on which i request your response is whether all > > > nepalese rudraksha have natural hole. shivpurana states that > those > > > rudraksha which have a natural hole from one end to other end are > > > most excellent and that those rudraksha which are bored through > > human > > > efforts are middling. recently some members went overboard in > > > declaring or certifying as if they are the best judges on > rudraksha > > > that ALL NEPALESE RUDRAKSHA HAVE A NATURAL HOLE, nay, rather they > > > were amused and found funny for me being a rudraksha seller is > > > unaware of it.> > > > > > the truth as it stands as seen by those very critical members, > > > myself, any other human or any other machine remains the same on > > the > > > following:> > > > > > 1. there is no rule that all nepalese rudraksha must have a > natural > > > hole.> > > > > > 2. most two mukhi nepalese rudraksha, especially the small sized > > > ones, do not have a natural hole from one end to other end.> > > > > > 3. most higher mukhi rudrakshas of 8 to 14 mukhi from nepal do > not > > > have a natural hole from one end to another end and most (if not > > all) > > > of them have the top portion closed.> > > > > > can you kindly give your comments on the above.> > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > pandit arjun> > > www.rudraksharemedy .com> > > > > > sacred-objects@ . . com, chandrashekhar phadke > > > <chphadke@ .> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Shri. Arjuna ji,> > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > I have mentioned that the 2 mukhi Nepal beadÃÆ'‚ of my > collection > > is > > > pear shaped (i.e. slightly papillate in the peduncle region) > > similar > > > to the giant sized three mukhi Nepal bead.ÃÆ'‚ The 2 mukhi > Nepal > > bead > > > of my collection is not perfectly round like 4, 5 or 6 > mukhi.ÃÆ'‚ > > The 2 > > > mukhi Nepal rudraksha are generally square and oblong.ÃÆ'‚ > Pear > > shaped > > > 2 mukhi beads are rarely seen.> > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > With best wishes,> > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke.> > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 24/12/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > wrote:> > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...>> > > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol dana> > > > sacred-objects> > > > Wednesday, 24 December, 2008, 5:03 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear phadkeji> > > > > > > > till date i was not fortunate to see a perfectly round two > mukhi > > > like > > > > the regular 4, 5 or 6 mukhi. could you kindly upload a photo of > > it > > > > in the group if you have.> > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > pandit arjun> > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com> > > > > > > > --- In sacred-objects, chandrashekhar phadke > > > > <chphadke@ .> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Ole,> > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > The round two mukhi Nepal bead which I have inÃÆ'Æ'â> €šÃÆ'‚ my > > collection > > > > isÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ similar to giant 3 mukhi Nepal rudraksha > i.e.. pear > > shaped > > > bead.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > The other roundÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ two mukhi Nepal bead I had > seen was > > similar to > > > > round 4 mukhi regular grade bead.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > Thanking you and with best wishes,> > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke> > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 23/12/08, alstrup <alstrup@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > alstrup <alstrup@ >> > > > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol dana> > > > > sacred-objects> > > > > Tuesday, 23 December, 2008, 2:49 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have seen a lot of 2 mukhis on photos, certain beads will > > appear> > > > > round from one side, besides top and bottom. Some beads are > more> > > > > roundish than others. How round do you want it? I have never > > seen> > > > > really round beads above 12 mukhi.> > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "panditarjun2004"> > > > > <panditarjun2004@ ....> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > dear richardji> > > > > > > > > > > > your observation is correct that round dvi mukh rudraksha > > from > > > > nepal > > > > > > is as rare as gol ek mukhi rudraksha from nepal. i may not > be > > > > > > exaggerating if i say that round two mukhi rudrakhsa is > rarer > > > > than > > > > > > round one mukhi.> > > > > > > > > > > > till date i could get only small sized genuine nepalese two > > > mukh > > > > > > rudraksha and am not yet fortunate to lay my hands on a > round > > > two > > > > > > mukhi rudraksha from nepal.> > > > > > > > > > > > if any rudraksha sellers are having round two mukhi > rudraksha > > > > with > > > > > > them, they are requested to kindly share that photograph in > > the > > > > group > > > > > > as i appreciate publicly that it is much rarer than round > ek > > > > mukhi so > > > > > > much so that i failed to get such round two mukhi in the > past > > > few > > > > > > years.> > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 dear phadkeji your observations are valued and yes the seeds are supposed to be in the locules under the cleft. however, many times i have observed in 12, 13 and 14mukhi large sized beads that a couple of beads come in the centre instead of tightly holding or stuck inside the locules as you mentioned. while making gold pendants, a seed or two that are in the middle and obstructing the passage come out or gently removed using a needle. hence i opined that seeds can be removed and inserted. i rest my case as i never sell rudraksha on the basis of seeds and am interested only in the naturally formed mukhis or lines. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com sacred-objects , chandrashekhar phadke <chphadke wrote: > > Dear Arjuna ji, >  > I do not agree with you regarding either insertion or removal of rudraksha seeds. It is not possible either to insert or remove seeds from rudraksha, keeping the bead intact. Seeds can be removed only after breaking the bead. Rudraksha seeds are situated in locules. These locules are under the cleft or mukhi. One locule for each cleft as far as Elaeocarpus angustifolius is concerned, i.e. Nepal or Indonesian rudraksha. Only in case of oval Haridwar rudraksha whether one mukhi, two mukhi or three mukhi, there is only sigle locule and one seed in it. One can not insert seeds from outside in rudraksha locules. In Nepal or Indonesian rudraksha not all locules develop seeds especially higher mukhi beads. In higher mukhi beads many times clefts or mukhi are very close to each other, rarely two clefts share common wall. In such cases there are no seeds in a perticular locule and locule is also very poorly formed like a thin slit. It is > very difficult to interprete rudraksha X-ray. If customer insists to have rudraksha X-ray showing seeds equal to mukhi then he has to take only three mukhi to 6 mukhi at the most 7 mukhi rudraksha. I have personally noticed that even in 5 mukhi bead sometimes seeds are not well developed and one or two locules are slitformed and naturally empty. >  > Thanking you and with best wishes. >  > Chandrashekhar Phadke > > --- On Fri, 2/1/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin Rudrakshas > sacred-objects > Friday, 2 January, 2009, 6:20 AM dear oleji > > your concluding observation is true and ordained by the scriptures > that the scriptures talk only of faces or lines on the outer surface. > > i can easily demonstrate how seeds can be removed from a rudraksha > and also seeds can be put into a rudrakhsa. if one were to blindly > count the seeds within, lo, you can find a zero seed nirakar > rudraksha as well 100 seeds within a 14mukhi rudraksha and sell it as > a 100mukhi just because it has 100 seeds within. here the customers > shall care a damn for the external lines which are fewer in number > and shall put weightage only on the inserted extra seeds. the > process is made explicitly simpler since seed based suppliers find a > SUFFICIENTLY NATURALLY FORMED LARGE HOLE in all their rudrakshas. > > the bottomline is simple. i sell rudraksha only on the basis of the > way a rudraksha to be identified as ordained by ALL scriptures. > > if others wish to sell on new theories of some invisible things by > subjecting the holy gods under a radiation test, they are at liberty > to do so. the problem here is that they shall not try to paint the > shastras in poor light and those selling rudraksha only based on > shastra ordained identification rules as primitive and outdated. > > anyway, it is all a matter of faith that the rudraksha itself > represent lord shiva and is treated as lord shiva and it is never > sold as a commodity. those who treat it as a commodity sell it as a > commodity with certificates, tests, et all. an image of god is seen > as god and is not sold as a commodity. its value lies in the faith > that it is god and similarly rudraksha which are botanical seeds are > bought not as vegetables that commodity sellers sell but because of > treating them as divine. > > lastly, your finding comfort in using the rudraksha powder and > rudraksha oil as holy and divine is based on the logic that it is > extracted not from live rudraksha but from naturally dried, dead, > bursted, broken, exposed rudraksha and or its seeds. for those who > do treat rudraksha as a commodity, this theory sounds logical but for > those who rever rudraksha as god like me, it is simply unimaginable > for applying such dried, dead, bursted, broken forms of rudraksha > crushed and beaten to produce some usable commodity as oil and powder. > > the bottomline is very simple. here are two types of sellers of > rudraksha. one those who treat it as god. other who treat it as a > commodity. you heard stories of how theists find god in stones and > athiests find stones just as stones. > > if members are sour at reading these two different ways of treating > and selling rudraksha, i would rest my case under those who treat > rudraksha as god and sell them as god embodiments. if others sell it > as perishable commodity, they are at liberty to do so. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ > > wrote: > > > > Dear Rajiv Krishna Dasa, > > > > Hare Krishna > > > > Thank you very much for providing the information about how > medicine is made from naturally dried seeds of these Himalayan beads, > this was very comforting to know. > > > > These are the following available references from Shastra* about > hole in Rudrakshas: > > > > Shiva Purana Chapter 25, Verse 23: > > > > " That which has a natural hole from end to end is the most > excellent; that which is bored through by human effort is the > middling one. " > > > > Jabalopanishad > > > > " If > > rudraksha has a natural hole at the appropriate place then it is > best. > > If the hold is made by force then it is medium quality rudraksha. " > > > > Srimad Devi Bhagavatam > > > > Chapter 7, 1-4. > > > > Those Rudraksha that have their holes by nature running through and > through are best; and those that have have their holes pierces by men > are middling. " > > > > * These verses translated by KN Seetha, Power of Rudraksha 2nd > expanded Edition > > > > It > > is my own limited personal experience that in some beads you have to > > use a lot of force (or patience) to carefully get the natural stalk > like material out from > > the centre of the bead, which in some cases could include > > drilling with a machine. You can drill with a toothpick or needle, > or a drill machine. The scriptural statement " made by force " is > definitely a very > > broad term which would allow careful drilling. > > > > Also in 2006 I was told > > wholeseller/ retailer Mukunda Khatiwada of Nepa Rudraksha in > Kathmandu > > that most 4, 5 and 6 Mukhi Nepali beads have strong seal on the > bottom which > > require drill machine. Can anyone confirm this? > > > > Again again, the point is that Shastra never talk about seeds > ANYWHERE, they always refer to the number of mukhi lines to determine > what is the power of the bead, so this notion of equal seeds/mukhi > lines is not supported by Shastra. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Y/S, Ole > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Shaligram Shala <shaligram8@ ...> > > sacred-objects > > Thursday, 1 January, 2009 5:57:52 > > Re: Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin > Rudrakshas > > > > > > Hare Krishna Members, > > Please accept my best wishes, all glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga, > all glories to all the devotees of the Lord. > > I wanted to finish on to this discussion, but just new topics keep > coming and confusions are created because of ignorance and no > knowledge on the subject. But trying to prove > > some how or the other that one is right with illogical thought > process. > > > > The Nepali bead Rudraksha has a internal structure such that the > centre part inside the bead is weak and can easily be pierced thro > the wire WITHOUT DRILLING. The seeds are towards the middle or > towards the periphery on each bead and they dont come on the way > under any circumstances while piercing the bead for capping thro the > centre. > > Yes if the bead is deformed then the seeds can come on the way. But > by experience any person can found out whether the bead is well > formed or not and reject those beads which are liable to have this > problem. But ofcourse all these rejected beads are sold at the lesser > price so few Suppliers are attracted to it to generate more profits. > > > > Secondly I want to ask a simple uestion from the members that which > the energy Srot ( energy part) in any Rudrakshas. I mean whether it > is The SEEDS or the MUKHS ? Pl answer this question rartionally. In > my view it is seeds and not Mukhs as Mukhs are merely the channels to > take the energy given by the seeds. So the seeds have to equal and > complete as per the Mukhs or not??? So if you are wearing a bead > which is not tested for > > same no. of seeds vis a vis Mukhs, then you will not get the effect > of that Mukhi bead. > > It is amply clear that several well developed beads too have lesser > seeds than Mukhs. But will take that bead and assume that that is say > 8 Mukhi when the seeds inside are 6 or 7. Do you think that such a > bead will give you same effect as a bead with 8 seeds and 8 > Mukhs ??? So pl ponder on this. In my view you should go for well > tested beads than to believe suppliers who actually themselves > does'nt know what they are giving to you, in that how many seeds have > damaged due to DRILLING and making you wear injured GOD who will > actually curse you then to bless you. So be careful and be rational. > > > > Now lastly one gentleman has assumed that normal Rudrakshas or > their seeds are crushed to make powder or things like that. Does he > really know the procedure of making powder and other things out of > Rudrakshas ??? or firing like a miss guided, ill informed > > missile which is directionless and does't know what is head and > tail and ultimately gets blasted with the same missile himself. > > > > For the knowledge of members the Rudraksha powder or other > products are made from the natural dried up seeds. Normally the > seeds are slightly wet inside the bead. In the interior of HIMALAYAS > there are several places which are not inhabitated by the humans and > there also are several trees of Rudrakshas. There beads especially > the lower Mukhs like 3 Mukjhi, 4 Mukhi and 5 Mukhi 6 Mukhis are left > there only higher mukhs are taken due to weight constraint. These > Rudrakshas dries up naturally and their Mukhs opens up naturally and > the dried seeds comes out. Now these seeds are collected for making > the Rudrakshas products. > > I want to further submit that for making Rudrakshas beads products > the wet bead can never be used, it is only naturally dried beads > which can be used. > > > > I hope this clarifies the doubt which is created by knwledgeless > suppliers. > > > > I hereby again reitreate and caution Rudrakshas lovers that pl be > beware of suppliers which deal in low quality beads and give damaged > beads to the devotees and sell Rs. 2000 crippled so called one mukhi > with 4 or 5 seeds inside for a Lakhs and cheat the devotees by self > styled so called energisation of beads for their own benefit. > > > > Om Shanti Shanti Shanti > > > > I hope this will help, > > Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev Namaha > > I beg to remain yours in the humble service of the Lord and His > devotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day, > > Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the service of Their > Lordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram, > > Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu, > > Shri Swayamvyakta- Shaligram- Silas Arpanam Astu, > > Thanks and Regards, > > Haribol, > > Rajiv Krishna Dasa, > > WWW.SHALIGRAM. COM > > 00 91 9322646421 > > 00 91 9322646420 > > 0091 22 24459616 > > salagram8 > > shaligram8 > > Address > > 105, Hammersmith Industrial Estate, > > Narayan Pathare Marg, > > Off Shitla Devi Temple Road, Mahim, Mumbai 400037 > > Maharashtra (India ) > > > > --- On Wed, 31/12/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > wrote: > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > > Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin > Rudrakshas > > sacred-objects > > Wednesday, 31 December, 2008, 10:02 AM > > > > > > dear friends > > > > very few members like you wish to discuss on the subject rudraksha > > whereas few have one and only objective of criticising other > > suppliers in their oneupmanship. members are all intelligent enough > > to understand the validity of xray test and how they find and count > > 21 seeds in an xray. > > > > all rudraksha buyers and suppliers are aware of several mukhis of > > nepalese rudraksha especially highers having their top portion > > closed. all rudraksha wholesellers from nepal as well as these very > > people are aware of this but just to criticise me they are giving > > bold certificates to themselves that all their rudraksha have > natural > > holes and that their rejected rudraksha are bought by all other > > suppliers. they are conveniently forgetting that shivapurana > > describes rudraksha with a hole bored through human effort is > > recommended as middling for wearing and to get benefits. it is only > > bold sacrilege on part of these people to say that humanly holed > > rudraksha are like damaging and putting a hole in the forehead even > > when shivapurana has mentioned and approved of it. > > > > it is the height of hypocricy and false selfglorification > > certificates to themselves that they dont drill holes in rudraksha, > > because these same people are selling rudraksha powder and > rudraksha > > oil and i have seen them physically selling these rudraksha powder > > and oil in exhibitions in various cities. going by their latest > mail > > of drilling a hole in forehead and damaging the god, it is common > > sense for any sane member to imagine how many rudrakshas these > people > > have killed, crushed, grounded, pounded, beaten and extracted oil > and > > powder from them. may be these people have double talk to say that > > drilling a hole is damaging and holing the god while crushing and > > killing and making it into an altogether new product like powder > and > > oil is not killing the god. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > Bottom line here is that Shastra says you CAN drill through beads > > which has no natural hole, (Shiva Purana, Rudraksha Jabalopanishad) > > so there is no valid argument against this at all !! Unless perhaps > > you damage the bead in some gross way... About X-rays is more of a > > philosophical question. There are cosmic, natural and manmade rays > > everywhere. I dont suspect that xrays would harm the power of a > bead > > at all. Since shastra give no advice about checking beads > internally > > for matching number of internal seeds with lines, but only count > the > > lines, I am not so concerned about this, unless one checking rare > > beads which could be fake. However, to verify the THEORY that > genuine > > beads ALWAYS have SAME number of SEEDS inside as LINES should be > > PROVEN! > > > > > > Happy New Year to All! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > bala_songyi <balasongyi@ ...> > > > sacred-objects > > > Wednesday, 31 December, 2008 10:48:23 > > > Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin > > Rudrakshas > > > > > > > > > Dear sirs > > > Damaged God or Goddess in Rudraksha ??? ° interesting ° > > > > > > What about IRRADATION of the Gods in rudraksha via X-RAYS ??? > > > > > > We do not touch or eat irradiated foods ,,,, due to damaged > > > nuclearation > > > > > > any comments :::::: > > > > > > sacred-objects, Shaligram Shala > > > <shaligram8@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna Dear Members, > > > > Thanks for your mail Prabhu. Please accept my best wishes, all > > > glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga, all glories to all the devotees > > of > > > the Lord. > > > > > > > > The Nepalese origin Rudraksha beads have aÃÆ'‚ NATURAL > HOLEÃÆ'‚ > > whether > > > it is 2 Mukhi round or 3 Mukhi or 4 Mukhi or 8 Mukhi or 9 Mukhi > or > > > 10 , 11, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19 and 21 Mukhi. Pl include thoseÃÆ'â €š > Mukhs > > > also which I have missed. > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > We actually reject those Rudrakshas in which we suspect that > > > naturally the wire would not go inside. But unfortunately few > > > Rudraksha suppliers buy those beads only and then drill the hole > in > > > them mercilessly and sell them as injured God. > > > > It is just equivalent to drilling hole on your forehead and > > feeling > > > good about it and assuming that drilled out damaged bead will do > > good > > > to you !!! Good Theory !!! > > > > Now I am able to understand how the inner seeds can be damaged, > > > very simple, once you drill the bead, naturally something is > forced > > > inside the auspicious bead and the bead gets damaged by the > > Rudraksha > > > Supplier. > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > I think this action is worse than selling so called Eka Mukhi > > > crippled Rudrakshas which have 4 or 5 seeds inside and only one > > Mukh > > > seen from the surface. > > > > My self, my father and other my relatives who are dealing in > > > Rudrakshas since last 20 years were equally amused like I > gotÃÆ'‚ > > amused > > > reading the mail. > > > > No doubtÃÆ'‚ his Rudrakshas suppliers are world class which > gives > > the > > > best rejected beads in the world.... > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > I have uploded the X Ray pictures of so called Eka Mukhi wioth > 4 > > or > > > 5 seeds inside on my website www.shaligram. com for the views to > > see > > > and decide whether they would like to wear such Eka Mukhi > > Rudrakshas > > > in their life.. I am forwarding the link for easy viewing: > > > > http://www.shaligra m.com/rudraksha/ 1mukhi.php > > > > > > > > I hope this will help, > > > > Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev Namaha > > > > I beg to remain yours in the humble service of the Lord and His > > > devotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day, > > > > Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the service of Their > > > Lordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram, > > > > Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu, > > > > Shri Swayamvyakta- Shaligram- Silas Arpanam Astu, > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > Haribol, > > > > Rajiv Krishna Dasa, > > > > WWW.SHALIGRAM. COM > > > > 00 91 9322646421 > > > > 00 91 9322646420 > > > > 0091 22 24459616 > > > > salagram8@ . > > > > shaligram8@ .. > > > > Address > > > > 105, Hammersmith Industrial Estate, > > > > Narayan Pathare Marg, > > > > Off Shitla Devi Temple Road, Mahim, Mumbai 400037 > > > > Maharashtra (India ) > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 29/12/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ....> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol dana > > > > sacred-objects > > > > Monday, 29 December, 2008, 2:23 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear phadkeji > > > > > > > > thanks for your response and to observation of all members that > > > > perfectly round two mukhi like 4,5 or 6 mukhi rudrakhsa is > > rarest. > > > > yes, as you rightly pointed out nepalese mildly pear shaped two > > > mukhi > > > > rudraksha too is rare. > > > > > > > > another issue on which i request your response is whether all > > > > nepalese rudraksha have natural hole. shivpurana states that > > those > > > > rudraksha which have a natural hole from one end to other end > are > > > > most excellent and that those rudraksha which are bored through > > > human > > > > efforts are middling. recently some members went overboard in > > > > declaring or certifying as if they are the best judges on > > rudraksha > > > > that ALL NEPALESE RUDRAKSHA HAVE A NATURAL HOLE, nay, rather > they > > > > were amused and found funny for me being a rudraksha seller is > > > > unaware of it. > > > > > > > > the truth as it stands as seen by those very critical members, > > > > myself, any other human or any other machine remains the same > on > > > the > > > > following: > > > > > > > > 1. there is no rule that all nepalese rudraksha must have a > > natural > > > > hole. > > > > > > > > 2. most two mukhi nepalese rudraksha, especially the small > sized > > > > ones, do not have a natural hole from one end to other end. > > > > > > > > 3. most higher mukhi rudrakshas of 8 to 14 mukhi from nepal do > > not > > > > have a natural hole from one end to another end and most (if > not > > > all) > > > > of them have the top portion closed. > > > > > > > > can you kindly give your comments on the above. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > sacred-objects@ . . com, chandrashekhar > phadke > > > > <chphadke@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Arjuna ji, > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > I have mentioned that the 2 mukhi Nepal beadÃÆ'Æ'ââ ‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚ > of my > > collection > > > is > > > > pear shaped (i.e. slightly papillate in the peduncle region) > > > similar > > > > to the giant sized three mukhi Nepal bead.ÃÆ'Æ'â€Å ¡ÃÆ'‚ The > 2 mukhi > > Nepal > > > bead > > > > of my collection is not perfectly round like 4, 5 or 6 > > mukhi.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > The 2 > > > > mukhi Nepal rudraksha are generally square and oblong.ÃÆ'Æ'â > €šÃÆ'‚ > > Pear > > > shaped > > > > 2 mukhi beads are rarely seen. > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > With best wishes, > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke. > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 24/12/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > > > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol dana > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > Wednesday, 24 December, 2008, 5:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear phadkeji > > > > > > > > > > till date i was not fortunate to see a perfectly round two > > mukhi > > > > like > > > > > the regular 4, 5 or 6 mukhi. could you kindly upload a photo > of > > > it > > > > > in the group if you have. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, chandrashekhar > phadke > > > > > <chphadke@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ole, > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ ‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > The round two mukhi Nepal bead which I have inÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ > > €šÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ my > > > collection > > > > > isÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ ‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚ similar to giant 3 > mukhi Nepal rudraksha > > i.e.. pear > > > shaped > > > > bead.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â €šÃÆ'‚ > > > > > The other roundÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ââ €šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ two > mukhi Nepal bead I had > > seen was > > > similar to > > > > > round 4 mukhi regular grade bead.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ââ €šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'â > €šÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ ‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > Thanking you and with best wishes, > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ ‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 23/12/08, alstrup <alstrup@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > alstrup <alstrup@ > > > > > > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol dana > > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > > Tuesday, 23 December, 2008, 2:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have seen a lot of 2 mukhis on photos, certain beads will > > > appear > > > > > > round from one side, besides top and bottom. Some beads are > > more > > > > > > roundish than others. How round do you want it? I have > never > > > seen > > > > > > really round beads above 12 mukhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, " panditarjun2004 " > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear richardji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your observation is correct that round dvi mukh rudraksha > > > from > > > > > nepal > > > > > > > is as rare as gol ek mukhi rudraksha from nepal. i may > not > > be > > > > > > > exaggerating if i say that round two mukhi rudrakhsa is > > rarer > > > > > than > > > > > > > round one mukhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > till date i could get only small sized genuine nepalese > two > > > > mukh > > > > > > > rudraksha and am not yet fortunate to lay my hands on a > > round > > > > two > > > > > > > mukhi rudraksha from nepal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if any rudraksha sellers are having round two mukhi > > rudraksha > > > > > with > > > > > > > them, they are requested to kindly share that photograph > in > > > the > > > > > group > > > > > > > as i appreciate publicly that it is much rarer than round > > ek > > > > > mukhi so > > > > > > > much so that i failed to get such round two mukhi in the > > past > > > > few > > > > > > > years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > > > > > http://messenger. / invite/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > > > > http://messenger. / invite/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > > > http://messenger. / invite/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click > here > > > > > > > > > > > > Connect with friends all over the world. Get India Messenger at http://in.messenger./?wm=n/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Hello Bala I have a questions based on what you have written how can one tell looking at the Rudrasha fruit from out side and say what mukhi it is?? "The 1 to 3 and 6-to higher mukhi fruits (harvested immediately withoutany waiting to be fell from trees naturally)are boiled in huge 44gallon drums with water for at least 2 days or more, in a ligthrolling boil to removed the cyan-purple fruit skins and the whitishfibrous pulpy (rather a very tenacious fibrous pulp to be removed) andthen the fibrous pulpy covered Rudraksha Seeds' remains are brushedwith water carefully and loving by nepalese women and children.The 4 and 5 mukhi are left on the trees to fall naturally and these 4or 5 mukhi are dried naturally, which is why the Rudraksha of 4 or 5mukhis are darker in color, when compared to 1 mukhi to 2 mukhis and 6" Thanks RAHULSHARMA--- On Thu, 1/1/09, bala_songyi <balasongyi wrote: bala_songyi <balasongyi Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin Rudrakshassacred-objects Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 1:44 PM Dear Sirs !!!A Very Happy New Year to All Forumers and The most Knowledgeable SahibHindu Owner Mr Richard whom with imperative knowledge on anything andeverything about Hindu and Hinduism including the Puranas.An interesting point is raised here that Nepalese Rudraksha Seeds aredried Naturally. I have visited Nepal (almost all regions) since my drug ridden Hippiedays 1969 annually till last visit Autumn 2008 October 15 to 23rd.I have noticed this fact for almost 4 decades -stretching fromcare-free druggie loonie days till now to visit old nepalese friendsof many decades in Eastern Nepal:-Not one Nepalese Rudraksha farmer nor any Nepalese Rudraksha Supplierhas the noble patience to sun dried nor smoke house dry the RudrakshaFruits naturally to remove the seeds as its economically not possible,and the sales have to be conducted within the season of fruiting -September to October, when the Wholsale Buyers throng the growingRegions (Mainly and only Eastern Nepal /toward Assameseborders/Arunachal border.The 1 to 3 and 6-to higher mukhi fruits (harvested immediately withoutany waiting to be fell from trees naturally)are boiled in huge 44gallon drums with water for at least 2 days or more, in a ligthrolling boil to removed the cyan-purple fruit skins and the whitishfibrous pulpy (rather a very tenacious fibrous pulp to be removed) andthen the fibrous pulpy covered Rudraksha Seeds' remains are brushedwith water carefully and loving by nepalese women and children.The 4 and 5 mukhi are left on the trees to fall naturally and these 4or 5 mukhi are dried naturally, which is why the Rudraksha of 4 or 5mukhis are darker in color, when compared to 1 mukhi to 2 mukhis and 6to higher muhkis are light reddish with ( not blackish reddish color)but very evenly light tinted of orangeness tone, as obtained whenboiled as described as accurately as seen many times in Eastern Nepal( Eastern Nepal is incidentally foothills of the Himalayas and not theHimalaya proper at all.If by accident, unknowing a smaller higher mukhi Rudraksha are left onthe tree and then naturally allowed to fall and decompose the fruitskin and fibrous pulp when felled on ground, such higher mukhiRudraksha seeds are added coloration to remove the blackish Reddishcolor to a even reddish orange, that we see with the most nepalesebeads of higher mukhi.In the Interior of the Himalayas -thats North Nepal towards ChinaBorder and Western Nepal towards Tibet ), there is hardly any othertrees except for the mighty holy Devadaru (The exalted Timber ofDevas, and very small brushes, mosses and lichens for the MuskDeers,Mountain goats of Pashina fame and the Musk oxes, of course the albinotigers and maybe the Yetis-the abonomial Snow man, leaving strangesuper human footprints above the timber lines, if we are lucky , maybea naked mediating Sadhu, in the rocky crevisses/or something like asmall caves, of whom you will chanced to meet again at Pashupati NathTemple during Maha Shiv Ratiri festival, smoking grass given as almsby pilgrims, and sitting next to burning human pyres by the temple'ssouth walled banks of Baghmukti River, a tributory river of Ganga).The mukhis represents the seeds, doubtless, but a rudraksha seed cangerminate after a long time, as it is still a living germ within theRudraksha cotyledon.My doubt is whether such boiled Nepalese Rudraksha beads' seeds hasthe energy to radiate, after being boiled ?Indonesia I have seen different practices :Thats to allow the fruits to fell by itself and decompose naturallyand the indonesian just collect the beads intact without any fibrouspulps or skins after about 6 to 8 months later; that around April toJune the collecting and selling season of Rudraksha beads.The reason for very dark blackish reddishness of Indonesian beads.But the germ is alive with the Indonesia Rudraksha beads as there isno enhanced boiling to contigency the quick sales by the Batakcollectors/suppiers .There was many nepalese traders/buyers who were routed to Indonesia tosupplement the delepting nepalese stocks, by adding Reddish Orangenesssynthetic colors to Indonesian Beads, during the Maoist uprising inEastern Nepal 2002-2006.X-rays to confirm the number of seeds, is also destructive to theliving germs, as the bead weight is hardly 20 grams and theirradiation of even 20 bequceral are most destructive if compared byratio to ratio of weight, in comparision to 20 Bq to 45 kg weighthuman with pronounced specific aligement (i.e on chest or legs or armsaligements).I rest for now with these info, to share my knowledge.Another subject, I read a couple of years ago in these forumHow to get in Phasupat Nath temple by a Sahib, as I get my wife and mysisters in law and parents in law, as they are blue -eyed germansahibs of brasilian origin, living in USASunless Self Tanning all over the body and face is the answer and wearnormal nepalese or northern Indian dress or saris with Tilaks, if blueeyed wear a simple sun glasses, do not behave tourists, but behave asnorthern Indian, and speak not at all, get a tourist guide young kidsat Agrawal outlet shop (about 200 metres from South Gate) at SouthernGate.Once you got the guide, you will told (briefed) what to do in eachsantcum,and he will show hand signals there.Go first to old peoples home at the South Gate and give alms of NR2000 rupess and get the receipt and go with the Guide, to a flowersshop facing the gate and buy flowers and offerings, leave your shoesin these flower shop ! Do not wear trousers/pants or belts but dotiand simple gurutha /button up to your chest..You will surely be in the temple and be generous with the bramaninpundits at the first point of worship of 540 Sivas. let the guide doall the talking to bramin priest, you just conduct prayers asrepetition of the mantras and abhishek of Shivlings.Never take off your sunglasses and be absolute quiet as your guidewill do everything talking for you. It will be better if you wish tobow with your forehead touching the ground at each santcum.Thats all about Nepal I knowsacred-objects, Shaligram Shala<shaligram8@ ...> wrote:>> Hare Krishna Members, > Please accept my best wishes, all glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga,all glories to all the devotees of the Lord.> I wanted to finish on to this discussion, but just new topics keepcoming and confusions are created because of ignorance and noknowledge on the subject. But trying to prove > some how or the other that one is right with illogical thoughtprocess..>  > The Nepali bead Rudraksha has a internal structure such that thecentre part inside the bead is weak and can easily be pierced thro thewire WITHOUT DRILLING. The seeds are towards the middle or towards theperiphery  on each bead and they dont come on the way under anycircumstances while piercing the bead for capping thro the centre.> Yes if the bead is deformed then the seeds can come on the way. Butby experience any person can found out whether the bead is well formedor not and reject those beads which are liable to have this problem.But ofcourse all these rejected beads are sold at the lesser price sofew Suppliers are attracted to it to generate more profits.>  > Secondly I want to ask a simple uestion from the members that whichthe energy Srot ( energy part) in any Rudrakshas. I mean whether it isThe SEEDS or the MUKHS ? Pl answer this question rartionally. In myview it is seeds and not Mukhs as Mukhs are merely the channels totake the energy given by the seeds. So the seeds have to equal andcomplete as per the Mukhs or not??? So if you are wearing a bead whichis not tested for > same no. of seeds vis a vis Mukhs, then you will not get the effectof that Mukhi bead. > It is amply clear that several well developed beads too have lesserseeds than Mukhs. But will take that bead and assume that that is say8 Mukhi when the seeds inside are 6 or 7. Do you think that such abead will give you same effect as a bead with 8 seeds and 8 Mukhs??? So pl ponder on this. In my view you should go for well testedbeads than to believe suppliers who actually themselves does'nt knowwhat they are giving to you, in that how many seeds have damaged dueto DRILLING and making you wear injured GOD who will actually curseyou then to bless you. So be careful and be rational.>  > Now lastly one gentleman has assumed that normal Rudrakshas or theirseeds are crushed to make powder or things like that. Does he reallyknow the procedure of making powder and other things out of Rudrakshas??? or firing like a miss guided, ill informed > missile which is directionless and does't know what is head andtail and ultimately gets blasted with the same missile himself.>  > For the knowledge of members the Rudraksha powder or other products are  made from the natural dried up seeds. Normally the seeds areslightly wet inside the bead. In the interior of HIMALAYAS there areseveral places which are not inhabitated by the humans and there alsoare several trees of Rudrakshas. There beads especially the lowerMukhs like 3 Mukjhi, 4 Mukhi and 5 Mukhi 6 Mukhis are left there onlyhigher mukhs are taken due to weight constraint. These  Rudrakshasdries up naturally and their Mukhs opens up naturally and the driedseeds comes out. Now these seeds are collected for making theRudrakshas products.> I want to further submit that for making Rudrakshas beads productsthe wet bead can never be used, it is only naturally dried beads whichcan be used. >  > I hope this clarifies the doubt which is created by knwledgelesssuppliers.>  > I hereby again reitreate and caution Rudrakshas lovers that pl bebeware of suppliers which deal in low quality beads and give damagedbeads to the devotees and sell Rs. 2000 crippled so called one mukhiwith 4 or 5 seeds inside for a Lakhs and cheat the devotees by selfstyled so called energisation of beads for their own benefit.>  > Om Shanti Shanti Shanti >  >  I hope this will help,> Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev Namaha> I beg to remain yours in the humble service of the Lord and Hisdevotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day,> Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the service of TheirLordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram,> Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu,> Shri Swayamvyakta- Shaligram- Silas Arpanam Astu, > Thanks and Regards, > Haribol, > Rajiv Krishna Dasa,> WWW.SHALIGRAM. COM> 00 91 9322646421> 00 91 9322646420> 0091 22 24459616> salagram8@.. .> shaligram8@. ..> Address> 105, Hammersmith Industrial Estate,> Narayan Pathare Marg,> Off Shitla Devi Temple Road, Mahim, Mumbai 400037 > Maharashtra (India )> > --- On Wed, 31/12/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote:> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...>> Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin Rudrakshas> sacred-objects> Wednesday, 31 December, 2008, 10:02 AM> > > > > > > dear friends> > very few members like you wish to discuss on the subject rudraksha > whereas few have one and only objective of criticising other > suppliers in their oneupmanship. members are all intelligent enough > to understand the validity of xray test and how they find and count > 21 seeds in an xray.> > all rudraksha buyers and suppliers are aware of several mukhis of > nepalese rudraksha especially highers having their top portion > closed. all rudraksha wholesellers from nepal as well as these very > people are aware of this but just to criticise me they are giving > bold certificates to themselves that all their rudraksha have natural > holes and that their rejected rudraksha are bought by all other > suppliers. they are conveniently forgetting that shivapurana > describes rudraksha with a hole bored through human effort is > recommended as middling for wearing and to get benefits. it is only > bold sacrilege on part of these people to say that humanly holed > rudraksha are like damaging and putting a hole in the forehead even > when shivapurana has mentioned and approved of it.> > it is the height of hypocricy and false selfglorification > certificates to themselves that they dont drill holes in rudraksha, > because these same people are selling rudraksha powder and rudraksha > oil and i have seen them physically selling these rudraksha powder > and oil in exhibitions in various cities. going by their latest mail > of drilling a hole in forehead and damaging the god, it is common > sense for any sane member to imagine how many rudrakshas these people > have killed, crushed, grounded, pounded, beaten and extracted oil and > powder from them. may be these people have double talk to say that > drilling a hole is damaging and holing the god while crushing and > killing and making it into an altogether new product like powder and > oil is not killing the god.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy .com> > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ > > wrote:> >> > Bottom line here is that Shastra says you CAN drill through beads > which has no natural hole, (Shiva Purana, Rudraksha Jabalopanishad) > so there is no valid argument against this at all !! Unless perhaps > you damage the bead in some gross way... About X-rays is more of a > philosophical question. There are cosmic, natural and manmade rays > everywhere. I dont suspect that xrays would harm the power of a bead > at all. Since shastra give no advice about checking beads internally > for matching number of internal seeds with lines, but only count the > lines, I am not so concerned about this, unless one checking rare > beads which could be fake. However, to verify the THEORY that genuine > beads ALWAYS have SAME number of SEEDS inside as LINES should be > PROVEN!> > > > Happy New Year to All! > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > bala_songyi <balasongyi@ ...>> > sacred-objects> > Wednesday, 31 December, 2008 10:48:23> > Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin > Rudrakshas> > > > > > Dear sirs> > Damaged God or Goddess in Rudraksha ??? ° interesting °> > > > What about IRRADATION of the Gods in rudraksha via X-RAYS ???> > > > We do not touch or eat irradiated foods ,,,, due to damaged > > nuclearation> > > > any comments ::::::> > > > --- In sacred-objects, Shaligram Shala > > <shaligram8@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Hare Krishna Dear Members, > > > Thanks for your mail Prabhu. Please accept my best wishes, all > > glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga, all glories to all the devotees > of > > the Lord.> > > > > > The Nepalese origin Rudraksha beads have a NATURAL HOLE > whether > > it is 2 Mukhi round or 3 Mukhi or 4 Mukhi or 8 Mukhi or 9 Mukhi or > > 10 , 11, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19 and 21 Mukhi. Pl include those Mukhs > > also which I have missed. > > >  > > > We actually reject those Rudrakshas in which we suspect that > > naturally the wire would not go inside. But unfortunately few > > Rudraksha suppliers buy those beads only and then drill the hole in > > them mercilessly and sell them as injured God. > > > It is just equivalent to drilling hole on your forehead and > feeling > > good about it and assuming that drilled out damaged bead will do > good > > to you !!! Good Theory !!!> > > Now I am able to understand how the inner seeds can be damaged, > > very simple, once you drill the bead, naturally something is forced > > inside the auspicious bead and the bead gets damaged by the > Rudraksha > > Supplier. > > >  > > > I think this action is worse than selling so called Eka Mukhi > > crippled Rudrakshas which have 4 or 5 seeds inside and only one > Mukh > > seen from the surface.> > > My self, my father and other my relatives who are dealing in > > Rudrakshas since last 20 years were equally amused like I got > amused > > reading the mail. > > > No doubt his Rudrakshas suppliers are world class which gives > the > > best rejected beads in the world.... > > >  > > > I have uploded the X Ray pictures of so called Eka Mukhi wioth 4 > or > > 5 seeds inside on my website www.shaligram. com for the views to > see > > and decide whether they would like to wear such Eka Mukhi > Rudrakshas > > in their life. I am forwarding the link for easy viewing:> > > http://www.shaligra m.com/rudraksha/ 1mukhi.php> > > > > > I hope this will help,> > > Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev Namaha> > > I beg to remain yours in the humble service of the Lord and His > > devotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day,> > > Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the service of Their > > Lordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram,> > > Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu,> > > Shri Swayamvyakta- Shaligram- Silas Arpanam Astu, > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > Haribol, > > > Rajiv Krishna Dasa,> > > WWW.SHALIGRAM. COM> > > 00 91 9322646421> > > 00 91 9322646420> > > 0091 22 24459616> > > salagram8@ .> > > shaligram8@ ..> > > Address> > > 105, Hammersmith Industrial Estate,> > > Narayan Pathare Marg,> > > Off Shitla Devi Temple Road, Mahim, Mumbai 400037 > > > Maharashtra (India )> > > > > > --- On Mon, 29/12/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ....> > wrote:> > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...>> > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol dana> > > sacred-objects> > > Monday, 29 December, 2008, 2:23 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear phadkeji> > > > > > thanks for your response and to observation of all members that > > > perfectly round two mukhi like 4,5 or 6 mukhi rudrakhsa is > rarest. > > > yes, as you rightly pointed out nepalese mildly pear shaped two > > mukhi > > > rudraksha too is rare.> > > > > > another issue on which i request your response is whether all > > > nepalese rudraksha have natural hole. shivpurana states that > those > > > rudraksha which have a natural hole from one end to other end are > > > most excellent and that those rudraksha which are bored through > > human > > > efforts are middling. recently some members went overboard in > > > declaring or certifying as if they are the best judges on > rudraksha > > > that ALL NEPALESE RUDRAKSHA HAVE A NATURAL HOLE, nay, rather they > > > were amused and found funny for me being a rudraksha seller is > > > unaware of it.> > > > > > the truth as it stands as seen by those very critical members, > > > myself, any other human or any other machine remains the same on > > the > > > following:> > > > > > 1. there is no rule that all nepalese rudraksha must have a > natural > > > hole.> > > > > > 2. most two mukhi nepalese rudraksha, especially the small sized > > > ones, do not have a natural hole from one end to other end.> > > > > > 3. most higher mukhi rudrakshas of 8 to 14 mukhi from nepal do > not > > > have a natural hole from one end to another end and most (if not > > all) > > > of them have the top portion closed.> > > > > > can you kindly give your comments on the above.> > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > pandit arjun> > > www.rudraksharemedy .com> > > > > > sacred-objects@ . . com, chandrashekhar phadke > > > <chphadke@ .> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Shri. Arjuna ji,> > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > I have mentioned that the 2 mukhi Nepal beadÃÆ'‚Âof my > collection > > is > > > pear shaped (i.e. slightly papillate in the peduncle region) > > similar > > > to the giant sized three mukhi Nepal bead.ÃÆ'‚ The 2mukhi > Nepal > > bead > > > of my collection is not perfectly round like 4, 5 or 6 > mukhi.ÃÆ'‚ > > The 2 > > > mukhi Nepal rudraksha are generally square andoblong.ÃÆ'‚ > Pear > > shaped > > > 2 mukhi beads are rarely seen.> > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > With best wishes,> > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke.> > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 24/12/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > wrote:> > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...>> > > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol dana> > > > sacred-objects> > > > Wednesday, 24 December, 2008, 5:03 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear phadkeji> > > > > > > > till date i was not fortunate to see a perfectly round two > mukhi > > > like > > > > the regular 4, 5 or 6 mukhi. could you kindly upload a photo of > > it > > > > in the group if you have.> > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > pandit arjun> > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com> > > > > > > > sacred-objects, chandrashekhar phadke > > > > <chphadke@ .> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Ole,> > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > The round two mukhi Nepal bead which I have inÃÆ'Æ'â> €šÃÆ'‚ my > > collection > > > > isÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ similar to giant 3mukhi Nepal rudraksha > i.e.. pear > > shaped > > > bead.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > The other roundÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ twomukhi Nepal bead I had > seen was > > similar to > > > > round 4 mukhi regular gradebead.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > Thanking you and with best wishes,> > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke> > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 23/12/08, alstrup <alstrup@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > alstrup <alstrup@ >> > > > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol dana> > > > > sacred-objects> > > > > Tuesday, 23 December, 2008, 2:49 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have seen a lot of 2 mukhis on photos, certain beads will > > appear> > > > > round from one side, besides top and bottom. Some beads are > more> > > > > roundish than others. How round do you want it? I have never > > seen> > > > > really round beads above 12 mukhi.> > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "panditarjun2004"> > > > > <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > dear richardji> > > > > > > > > > > > your observation is correct that round dvi mukh rudraksha > > from > > > > nepal > > > > > > is as rare as gol ek mukhi rudraksha from nepal. i may not > be > > > > > > exaggerating if i say that round two mukhi rudrakhsa is > rarer > > > > than > > > > > > round one mukhi.> > > > > > > > > > > > till date i could get only small sized genuine nepalese two > > > mukh > > > > > > rudraksha and am not yet fortunate to lay my hands on a > round > > > two > > > > > > mukhi rudraksha from nepal.> > > > > > > > > > > > if any rudraksha sellers are having round two mukhi > rudraksha > > > > with > > > > > > them, they are requested to kindly share that photograph in > > the > > > > group > > > > > > as i appreciate publicly that it is much rarer than round > ek > > > > mukhi so > > > > > > much so that i failed to get such round two mukhi in the > past > > > few > > > > > > years.> > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 Hello Friend !!!!! Thanks for the interesting query !!!!! The nepalese growers, collectors, wholesale suppliers, whom involved in Rudraksha Trade, are more well versed in what they have been doing, as Cash Crop for many Generations. They can determine by looking at the fleshy Drupe of Purplish Cyan color (rudraksha fruits)while its on the tree branches....as bunch of rudraksha fruit. Of how many mukhis ? it is ???? These nepalese growers also can make decision to whether they want to tie a plastic bag around the bunch of rudraksha fruits (as they may feel its a group of higher mukhi producing fruits), in the event, that a strong north wind blow from Siberia, in the duration of the night, and to not to lose the fruits in the tempest... Most Rudraksha trees looks like Christmas Tree from May-June to October, with plastic bags tied to bunches of rudraksha Fruit. You can only see this peculiar sight in Eastern Nepal foot hills of Himalaya, but not any where else in other parts of Nepal. Other regions and interior of Nepal, you never see a Rudraksha Tree, but only other Alpine Timbers like Devadaru, pine, conifers,beech etc, But never a Rudraksha tree in any interior Himalayas. Why???? No Rudraksha in other regions:- Western, Northern or even Southern region bordering India ???? Eastern Nepal from Bhiratpur (town) to Assam, Bangla Desh,and Yunnan borders,and literally Assam, Bangla Desh,Burma, Yunnan Province, Hainan Island, Andaman & Nicobars,Thailand, Malaysia (East and West), the entire Indonesia (approx 7000 islands), Vietnam, Cambodia , Laos, Philippines, southern islands of Okinawa(japan) Papua new Guinea, and Pacific tropical islands of New Britain, Saippan, New hebrides, Solomon, Islands,and Northern Terrorities (Australia) are parts of the Botanical Geographical Tropical Region of " MALESIANA " MALESIANA Is the home of all known and classified species of Elaeocarpus spp. Thanks sacred-objects , Rahul Sharma <toneyrahulsharma wrote: > > Hello Bala > > I have a questions based on what you have written how can one tell looking at the Rudrasha fruit from out side and say what mukhi it is?? > > " The 1 to 3 and 6-to higher mukhi fruits (harvested immediately without > any waiting to be fell from trees naturally)are boiled in huge 44 > gallon drums with water for at least 2 days or more, in a ligth > rolling boil to removed the cyan-purple fruit skins and the whitish > fibrous pulpy (rather a very tenacious fibrous pulp to be removed) and > then the fibrous pulpy covered Rudraksha Seeds' remains are brushed > with water carefully and loving by nepalese women and children. > > The 4 and 5 mukhi are left on the trees to fall naturally and these 4 > or 5 mukhi are dried naturally, which is why the Rudraksha of 4 or 5 > mukhis are darker in color, when compared to 1 mukhi to 2 mukhis and 6 " > > > Thanks > > > > RAHULSHARMA > > --- On Thu, 1/1/09, bala_songyi <balasongyi wrote: > > bala_songyi <balasongyi > Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin Rudrakshas > sacred-objects > Thursday, January 1, 2009, 1:44 PM > > > > > > Dear Sirs !!! > A Very Happy New Year to All Forumers and The most Knowledgeable Sahib > Hindu Owner Mr Richard whom with imperative knowledge on anything and > everything about Hindu and Hinduism including the Puranas. > > An interesting point is raised here that Nepalese Rudraksha Seeds are > dried Naturally. > > I have visited Nepal (almost all regions) since my drug ridden Hippie > days 1969 annually till last visit Autumn 2008 October 15 to 23rd. > > I have noticed this fact for almost 4 decades -stretching from > care-free druggie loonie days till now to visit old nepalese friends > of many decades in Eastern Nepal:- > > Not one Nepalese Rudraksha farmer nor any Nepalese Rudraksha Supplier > has the noble patience to sun dried nor smoke house dry the Rudraksha > Fruits naturally to remove the seeds as its economically not possible, > and the sales have to be conducted within the season of fruiting - > September to October, when the Wholsale Buyers throng the growing > Regions (Mainly and only Eastern Nepal /toward Assamese > borders/Arunachal border. > > The 1 to 3 and 6-to higher mukhi fruits (harvested immediately without > any waiting to be fell from trees naturally)are boiled in huge 44 > gallon drums with water for at least 2 days or more, in a ligth > rolling boil to removed the cyan-purple fruit skins and the whitish > fibrous pulpy (rather a very tenacious fibrous pulp to be removed) and > then the fibrous pulpy covered Rudraksha Seeds' remains are brushed > with water carefully and loving by nepalese women and children. > > The 4 and 5 mukhi are left on the trees to fall naturally and these 4 > or 5 mukhi are dried naturally, which is why the Rudraksha of 4 or 5 > mukhis are darker in color, when compared to 1 mukhi to 2 mukhis and 6 > to higher muhkis are light reddish with ( not blackish reddish color) > but very evenly light tinted of orangeness tone, as obtained when > boiled as described as accurately as seen many times in Eastern Nepal > ( Eastern Nepal is incidentally foothills of the Himalayas and not the > Himalaya proper at all. > > If by accident, unknowing a smaller higher mukhi Rudraksha are left on > the tree and then naturally allowed to fall and decompose the fruit > skin and fibrous pulp when felled on ground, such higher mukhi > Rudraksha seeds are added coloration to remove the blackish Reddish > color to a even reddish orange, that we see with the most nepalese > beads of higher mukhi. > > In the Interior of the Himalayas -thats North Nepal towards China > Border and Western Nepal towards Tibet ), there is hardly any other > trees except for the mighty holy Devadaru (The exalted Timber of > Devas, and very small brushes, mosses and lichens for the MuskDeers, > Mountain goats of Pashina fame and the Musk oxes, of course the albino > tigers and maybe the Yetis-the abonomial Snow man, leaving strange > super human footprints above the timber lines, if we are lucky , maybe > a naked mediating Sadhu, in the rocky crevisses/or something like a > small caves, of whom you will chanced to meet again at Pashupati Nath > Temple during Maha Shiv Ratiri festival, smoking grass given as alms > by pilgrims, and sitting next to burning human pyres by the temple's > south walled banks of Baghmukti River, a tributory river of Ganga). > > The mukhis represents the seeds, doubtless, but a rudraksha seed can > germinate after a long time, as it is still a living germ within the > Rudraksha cotyledon. > > My doubt is whether such boiled Nepalese Rudraksha beads' seeds has > the energy to radiate, after being boiled ? > > Indonesia I have seen different practices : > Thats to allow the fruits to fell by itself and decompose naturally > and the indonesian just collect the beads intact without any fibrous > pulps or skins after about 6 to 8 months later; that around April to > June the collecting and selling season of Rudraksha beads. > > The reason for very dark blackish reddishness of Indonesian beads. > But the germ is alive with the Indonesia Rudraksha beads as there is > no enhanced boiling to contigency the quick sales by the Batak > collectors/suppiers . > > There was many nepalese traders/buyers who were routed to Indonesia to > supplement the delepting nepalese stocks, by adding Reddish Orangeness > synthetic colors to Indonesian Beads, during the Maoist uprising in > Eastern Nepal 2002-2006. > > X-rays to confirm the number of seeds, is also destructive to the > living germs, as the bead weight is hardly 20 grams and the > irradiation of even 20 bequceral are most destructive if compared by > ratio to ratio of weight, in comparision to 20 Bq to 45 kg weight > human with pronounced specific aligement (i.e on chest or legs or arms > aligements). > > I rest for now with these info, to share my knowledge. > Another subject, I read a couple of years ago in these forum > > How to get in Phasupat Nath temple by a Sahib, as I get my wife and my > sisters in law and parents in law, as they are blue -eyed german > sahibs of brasilian origin, living in USA > > Sunless Self Tanning all over the body and face is the answer and wear > normal nepalese or northern Indian dress or saris with Tilaks, if blue > eyed wear a simple sun glasses, do not behave tourists, but behave as > northern Indian, and speak not at all, get a tourist guide young kids > at Agrawal outlet shop (about 200 metres from South Gate) at Southern > Gate. > Once you got the guide, you will told (briefed) what to do in each > santcum,and he will show hand signals there. > > Go first to old peoples home at the South Gate and give alms of NR > 2000 rupess and get the receipt and go with the Guide, to a flowers > shop facing the gate and buy flowers and offerings, leave your shoes > in these flower shop ! Do not wear trousers/pants or belts but doti > and simple gurutha /button up to your chest.. > > You will surely be in the temple and be generous with the bramanin > pundits at the first point of worship of 540 Sivas. let the guide do > all the talking to bramin priest, you just conduct prayers as > repetition of the mantras and abhishek of Shivlings. > > Never take off your sunglasses and be absolute quiet as your guide > will do everything talking for you. It will be better if you wish to > bow with your forehead touching the ground at each santcum. > > Thats all about Nepal I know > > sacred-objects, Shaligram Shala > <shaligram8@ ...> wrote: > > > > Hare Krishna Members, > > Please accept my best wishes, all glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga, > all glories to all the devotees of the Lord. > > I wanted to finish on to this discussion, but just new topics keep > coming and confusions are created because of ignorance and no > knowledge on the subject. But trying to prove > > some how or the other that one is right with illogical thought > process.. > >  > > The Nepali bead Rudraksha has a internal structure such that the > centre part inside the bead is weak and can easily be pierced thro the > wire WITHOUT DRILLING. The seeds are towards the middle or towards the > periphery  on each bead and they dont come on the way under any > circumstances while piercing the bead for capping thro the centre. > > Yes if the bead is deformed then the seeds can come on the way. But > by experience any person can found out whether the bead is well formed > or not and reject those beads which are liable to have this problem. > But ofcourse all these rejected beads are sold at the lesser price so > few Suppliers are attracted to it to generate more profits. > >  > > Secondly I want to ask a simple uestion from the members that which > the energy Srot ( energy part) in any Rudrakshas. I mean whether it is > The SEEDS or the MUKHS ? Pl answer this question rartionally. In my > view it is seeds and not Mukhs as Mukhs are merely the channels to > take the energy given by the seeds. So the seeds have to equal and > complete as per the Mukhs or not??? So if you are wearing a bead which > is not tested for > > same no. of seeds vis a vis Mukhs, then you will not get the effect > of that Mukhi bead. > > It is amply clear that several well developed beads too have lesser > seeds than Mukhs. But will take that bead and assume that that is say > 8 Mukhi when the seeds inside are 6 or 7. Do you think that such a > bead will give you same effect as a bead with 8 seeds and 8 Mukhs > ??? So pl ponder on this. In my view you should go for well tested > beads than to believe suppliers who actually themselves does'nt know > what they are giving to you, in that how many seeds have damaged due > to DRILLING and making you wear injured GOD who will actually curse > you then to bless you. So be careful and be rational. > >  > > Now lastly one gentleman has assumed that normal Rudrakshas or their > seeds are crushed to make powder or things like that. Does he really > know the procedure of making powder and other things out of Rudrakshas > ??? or firing like a miss guided, ill informed > > missile which is directionless and does't know what is head and > tail and ultimately gets blasted with the same missile himself. > >  > > For the knowledge of members the Rudraksha powder or other products >  are  made from the natural dried up seeds. Normally the seeds are > slightly wet inside the bead. In the interior of HIMALAYAS there are > several places which are not inhabitated by the humans and there also > are several trees of Rudrakshas. There beads especially the lower > Mukhs like 3 Mukjhi, 4 Mukhi and 5 Mukhi 6 Mukhis are left there only > higher mukhs are taken due to weight constraint. These  Rudrakshas > dries up naturally and their Mukhs opens up naturally and the dried > seeds comes out. Now these seeds are collected for making the > Rudrakshas products. > > I want to further submit that for making Rudrakshas beads products > the wet bead can never be used, it is only naturally dried beads which > can be used. > >  > > I hope this clarifies the doubt which is created by knwledgeless > suppliers. > >  > > I hereby again reitreate and caution Rudrakshas lovers that pl be > beware of suppliers which deal in low quality beads and give damaged > beads to the devotees and sell Rs. 2000 crippled so called one mukhi > with 4 or 5 seeds inside for a Lakhs and cheat the devotees by self > styled so called energisation of beads for their own benefit. > >  > > Om Shanti Shanti Shanti > >  > >  I hope this will help, > > Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev Namaha > > I beg to remain yours in the humble service of the Lord and His > devotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day, > > Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the service of Their > Lordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram, > > Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu, > > Shri Swayamvyakta- Shaligram- Silas Arpanam Astu, > > Thanks and Regards, > > Haribol, > > Rajiv Krishna Dasa, > > WWW.SHALIGRAM. COM > > 00 91 9322646421 > > 00 91 9322646420 > > 0091 22 24459616 > > salagram8@ . > > shaligram8@ .. > > Address > > 105, Hammersmith Industrial Estate, > > Narayan Pathare Marg, > > Off Shitla Devi Temple Road, Mahim, Mumbai 400037 > > Maharashtra (India ) > > > > --- On Wed, 31/12/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote: > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin Rudrakshas > > sacred-objects > > Wednesday, 31 December, 2008, 10:02 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > very few members like you wish to discuss on the subject rudraksha > > whereas few have one and only objective of criticising other > > suppliers in their oneupmanship. members are all intelligent enough > > to understand the validity of xray test and how they find and count > > 21 seeds in an xray. > > > > all rudraksha buyers and suppliers are aware of several mukhis of > > nepalese rudraksha especially highers having their top portion > > closed. all rudraksha wholesellers from nepal as well as these very > > people are aware of this but just to criticise me they are giving > > bold certificates to themselves that all their rudraksha have natural > > holes and that their rejected rudraksha are bought by all other > > suppliers. they are conveniently forgetting that shivapurana > > describes rudraksha with a hole bored through human effort is > > recommended as middling for wearing and to get benefits. it is only > > bold sacrilege on part of these people to say that humanly holed > > rudraksha are like damaging and putting a hole in the forehead even > > when shivapurana has mentioned and approved of it. > > > > it is the height of hypocricy and false selfglorification > > certificates to themselves that they dont drill holes in rudraksha, > > because these same people are selling rudraksha powder and rudraksha > > oil and i have seen them physically selling these rudraksha powder > > and oil in exhibitions in various cities. going by their latest mail > > of drilling a hole in forehead and damaging the god, it is common > > sense for any sane member to imagine how many rudrakshas these people > > have killed, crushed, grounded, pounded, beaten and extracted oil and > > powder from them. may be these people have double talk to say that > > drilling a hole is damaging and holing the god while crushing and > > killing and making it into an altogether new product like powder and > > oil is not killing the god. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > Bottom line here is that Shastra says you CAN drill through beads > > which has no natural hole, (Shiva Purana, Rudraksha Jabalopanishad) > > so there is no valid argument against this at all !! Unless perhaps > > you damage the bead in some gross way... About X-rays is more of a > > philosophical question. There are cosmic, natural and manmade rays > > everywhere. I dont suspect that xrays would harm the power of a bead > > at all. Since shastra give no advice about checking beads internally > > for matching number of internal seeds with lines, but only count the > > lines, I am not so concerned about this, unless one checking rare > > beads which could be fake. However, to verify the THEORY that genuine > > beads ALWAYS have SAME number of SEEDS inside as LINES should be > > PROVEN! > > > > > > Happy New Year to All! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > bala_songyi <balasongyi@ ...> > > > sacred-objects > > > Wednesday, 31 December, 2008 10:48:23 > > > Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin > > Rudrakshas > > > > > > > > > Dear sirs > > > Damaged God or Goddess in Rudraksha ??? ° interesting ° > > > > > > What about IRRADATION of the Gods in rudraksha via X-RAYS ??? > > > > > > We do not touch or eat irradiated foods ,,,, due to damaged > > > nuclearation > > > > > > any comments :::::: > > > > > > sacred-objects, Shaligram Shala > > > <shaligram8@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna Dear Members, > > > > Thanks for your mail Prabhu. Please accept my best wishes, all > > > glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga, all glories to all the devotees > > of > > > the Lord. > > > > > > > > The Nepalese origin Rudraksha beads have a NATURAL HOLE > > whether > > > it is 2 Mukhi round or 3 Mukhi or 4 Mukhi or 8 Mukhi or 9 Mukhi or > > > 10 , 11, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19 and 21 Mukhi. Pl include those Mukhs > > > also which I have missed. > > > >  > > > > We actually reject those Rudrakshas in which we suspect that > > > naturally the wire would not go inside. But unfortunately few > > > Rudraksha suppliers buy those beads only and then drill the hole in > > > them mercilessly and sell them as injured God. > > > > It is just equivalent to drilling hole on your forehead and > > feeling > > > good about it and assuming that drilled out damaged bead will do > > good > > > to you !!! Good Theory !!! > > > > Now I am able to understand how the inner seeds can be damaged, > > > very simple, once you drill the bead, naturally something is forced > > > inside the auspicious bead and the bead gets damaged by the > > Rudraksha > > > Supplier. > > > >  > > > > I think this action is worse than selling so called Eka Mukhi > > > crippled Rudrakshas which have 4 or 5 seeds inside and only one > > Mukh > > > seen from the surface. > > > > My self, my father and other my relatives who are dealing in > > > Rudrakshas since last 20 years were equally amused like I got > > amused > > > reading the mail. > > > > No doubt his Rudrakshas suppliers are world class which gives > > the > > > best rejected beads in the world.... > > > >  > > > > I have uploded the X Ray pictures of so called Eka Mukhi wioth 4 > > or > > > 5 seeds inside on my website www.shaligram. com for the views to > > see > > > and decide whether they would like to wear such Eka Mukhi > > Rudrakshas > > > in their life. I am forwarding the link for easy viewing: > > > > http://www.shaligra m.com/rudraksha/ 1mukhi.php > > > > > > > > I hope this will help, > > > > Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev Namaha > > > > I beg to remain yours in the humble service of the Lord and His > > > devotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day, > > > > Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the service of Their > > > Lordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram, > > > > Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu, > > > > Shri Swayamvyakta- Shaligram- Silas Arpanam Astu, > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > Haribol, > > > > Rajiv Krishna Dasa, > > > > WWW.SHALIGRAM. COM > > > > 00 91 9322646421 > > > > 00 91 9322646420 > > > > 0091 22 24459616 > > > > salagram8@ . > > > > shaligram8@ .. > > > > Address > > > > 105, Hammersmith Industrial Estate, > > > > Narayan Pathare Marg, > > > > Off Shitla Devi Temple Road, Mahim, Mumbai 400037 > > > > Maharashtra (India ) > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 29/12/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ....> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol dana > > > > sacred-objects > > > > Monday, 29 December, 2008, 2:23 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear phadkeji > > > > > > > > thanks for your response and to observation of all members that > > > > perfectly round two mukhi like 4,5 or 6 mukhi rudrakhsa is > > rarest. > > > > yes, as you rightly pointed out nepalese mildly pear shaped two > > > mukhi > > > > rudraksha too is rare. > > > > > > > > another issue on which i request your response is whether all > > > > nepalese rudraksha have natural hole. shivpurana states that > > those > > > > rudraksha which have a natural hole from one end to other end are > > > > most excellent and that those rudraksha which are bored through > > > human > > > > efforts are middling. recently some members went overboard in > > > > declaring or certifying as if they are the best judges on > > rudraksha > > > > that ALL NEPALESE RUDRAKSHA HAVE A NATURAL HOLE, nay, rather they > > > > were amused and found funny for me being a rudraksha seller is > > > > unaware of it. > > > > > > > > the truth as it stands as seen by those very critical members, > > > > myself, any other human or any other machine remains the same on > > > the > > > > following: > > > > > > > > 1. there is no rule that all nepalese rudraksha must have a > > natural > > > > hole. > > > > > > > > 2. most two mukhi nepalese rudraksha, especially the small sized > > > > ones, do not have a natural hole from one end to other end. > > > > > > > > 3. most higher mukhi rudrakshas of 8 to 14 mukhi from nepal do > > not > > > > have a natural hole from one end to another end and most (if not > > > all) > > > > of them have the top portion closed. > > > > > > > > can you kindly give your comments on the above. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > sacred-objects@ . . com, chandrashekhar phadke > > > > <chphadke@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Arjuna ji, > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > I have mentioned that the 2 mukhi Nepal beadÃÆ'‚ > of my > > collection > > > is > > > > pear shaped (i.e. slightly papillate in the peduncle region) > > > similar > > > > to the giant sized three mukhi Nepal bead.ÃÆ'‚ The 2 > mukhi > > Nepal > > > bead > > > > of my collection is not perfectly round like 4, 5 or 6 > > mukhi.ÃÆ'‚ > > > The 2 > > > > mukhi Nepal rudraksha are generally square and > oblong.ÃÆ'‚ > > Pear > > > shaped > > > > 2 mukhi beads are rarely seen. > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > With best wishes, > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke. > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 24/12/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > > > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol dana > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > Wednesday, 24 December, 2008, 5:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear phadkeji > > > > > > > > > > till date i was not fortunate to see a perfectly round two > > mukhi > > > > like > > > > > the regular 4, 5 or 6 mukhi. could you kindly upload a photo of > > > it > > > > > in the group if you have. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, chandrashekhar phadke > > > > > <chphadke@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ole, > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > The round two mukhi Nepal bead which I have inÃÆ'Æ'â > > €šÃÆ'‚ my > > > collection > > > > > isÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ similar to giant 3 > mukhi Nepal rudraksha > > i.e.. pear > > > shaped > > > > bead.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > The other roundÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ two > mukhi Nepal bead I had > > seen was > > > similar to > > > > > round 4 mukhi regular grade > bead.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > Thanking you and with best wishes, > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 23/12/08, alstrup <alstrup@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > alstrup <alstrup@ > > > > > > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol dana > > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > > Tuesday, 23 December, 2008, 2:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have seen a lot of 2 mukhis on photos, certain beads will > > > appear > > > > > > round from one side, besides top and bottom. Some beads are > > more > > > > > > roundish than others. How round do you want it? I have never > > > seen > > > > > > really round beads above 12 mukhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, " panditarjun2004 " > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear richardji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your observation is correct that round dvi mukh rudraksha > > > from > > > > > nepal > > > > > > > is as rare as gol ek mukhi rudraksha from nepal. i may not > > be > > > > > > > exaggerating if i say that round two mukhi rudrakhsa is > > rarer > > > > > than > > > > > > > round one mukhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > till date i could get only small sized genuine nepalese two > > > > mukh > > > > > > > rudraksha and am not yet fortunate to lay my hands on a > > round > > > > two > > > > > > > mukhi rudraksha from nepal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if any rudraksha sellers are having round two mukhi > > rudraksha > > > > > with > > > > > > > them, they are requested to kindly share that photograph in > > > the > > > > > group > > > > > > > as i appreciate publicly that it is much rarer than round > > ek > > > > > mukhi so > > > > > > > much so that i failed to get such round two mukhi in the > > past > > > > few > > > > > > > years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 Hare Krishna Prabhu, Thanks for your mail Prabhu. Please accept my best wishes, all glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga, all glories to all the devotees of the Lord. Prabhu, so your claim of fitting seeds and removing seeds was all fake, 2. You wanted to say or highlight that whether there is a seed or not inside the Rudraksha will continue to perform the functions from those Mukhs also where there is no energy at all. or Mukhs themselves are the souce of energy and they are not dependent upon seeds to give the energy. Either of the statement should be right as per you. 2. You devised your self styled theory of energisation of beads which is no where mentioned in Purans, so it is OK with you, but since as per you the texts for 15 and higher Mukhis are not there in Puranas so these beads are merely nuts for you. They are not the direct manifestations of Lord Shiva to you. They are untouchable beads for you because no text is mentioned in Puranas so you dont sell them. But you can do energisation which is not mentioned in Purana , so that is OK with you. So you think 15 Mukhi and above beads are commodites and these things have no significance at all, they are powerless and should not be worn, because they are not mentioned in Puranas ? This is what is truely called as 'Hypocracy'. 3. You deal in those Rudrakshas which have the seeds never remain in one place ( they are free to move inside!! I really wonder the quality of these Rudrakshas???) ) and they come towards centre and get damaged when you pierce the hole for capping etc. I and members of this forum have now got fair amount of idea from all discussions that what type of supplier you are, how nicely you can fit the seeds inside and take seeds out without breaking, you dont consider 15 Mukhi and above Rudrakshas as Shiva's manifestations, you treat them as commodity and they are merely nuts for you and hence you dont deal in them. You claim to add value to your Rudrakshas by your self styled process which has no relevance from Puranas and that is OK for you. I dont want to waste any more time in having more discussions with a KNOWLEDGEABLE PERSON like you Prabhu. I hope this will help,Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev NamahaI beg to remain yours in the humble service of the Lord and His devotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day,Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the service of Their Lordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram,Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu,Shri Swayamvyakta-Shaligram-Silas Arpanam Astu, Thanks and Regards, Haribol, Rajiv Krishna Dasa,WWW.SHALIGRAM.COM00 91 932264642100 91 93226464200091 22 24459616salagram8shaligram8Address105, Hammersmith Industrial Estate,Narayan Pathare Marg,Off Shitla Devi Temple Road, Mahim, Mumbai 400037 Maharashtra (India )--- On Fri, 2/1/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin Rudrakshassacred-objects Date: Friday, 2 January, 2009, 4:10 PM dear friendlet it be known to the world in simple english which all understand about the following:1. i sell rudraksha only on the basis of the visible naturally formed lines as ordained by the shastras. 2. i do not believe and endorse and follow the seed theory as it is irrational and without logic. if others wish to sell on invisible seeds without any sanction from the shastras, they are at liberty to do so.3. i do not imagine of treating rudraksha as a commodity and make powders and oils from it like other commodity sellers do.my offer to show the insertion and removal of seeds is only to highlight the useless meaningless seed theory not ordained by the shastras.. if someone opines that this is an art, he is not intelligent to construe so, because of the following:1. i sell only 1 to 14 types of rudraksha.2. i refer ALL ancient original classics and no modern unheard books.3. i do not sell nirakar zero mukh rudrakhsa, so seedlovers need not jump to find zero seeds in it.4. i have not purchased or sold 15 mukh and higher type of rudraksha in my lifetime as i find no mention in original classics and hence seedlovers shall rejoice to find no competition from me in their selling 15 to 100 mukhis.the seed theory lovers also who relished with a wry smile and found thier joy in vehemently telling the world to buy one mukhi rudraksha with only one seed in it must equally apply the seed theory to show as many seeds as the number of lines they are selling and onus is on them to show their customers to show those many seeds. it is not my headache to argue for them, as this seed theory is illogical and irrational to me.lastly i rest my case to conclude that i am AGAINST seed theory and hence put onus on those who sell rudraksha ONLY ON SEED BASIS and not me.with best wishes and blessingspandit arjunwww.rudraksharemedy .comsacred-objects, Shaligram Shala <shaligram8@ ...> wrote:>> Hare Krishna Prabhu, > Thanks for your mail Prabhu. Please accept my best wishes, all glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga, all glories to all the devotees of the Lord.>  > "i can easily demonstrate how seeds can be removed from a rudraksha > and also seeds can be put into a rudrakhsa". >  > Pl demonstrate this art Prabhu. I want to know about this secret art, atleast I can put this on the fake bead section on my website and educate the devotees so that devotees will be careful from the fake suppliers. Since how long you are practising this wonderful art of fitting seeds inside the Rudrakshas? How many Mukhis Rudrakshas normally you use to fill seeds inside comfortably. Pl tell me how much money I should deposit in your bank account so that you can make 100 Mukhi Rudraksha by fitting 100 seeds inside. I shall deposit today itself. Now dont back out, atleast this group members will get knowledge of these Rudrakshas also which are abundantly and ramphantly sold in the market to cheat the devotees.>  >  > It is very clearly written in all the texts which Mr. Ole has forwarded below >  > "If Rudraksha has a natural hole at appropriate place then it is best. If the hole is made by force then it is medium quality" >  > This is what I have been writing since my first mail. That why at all we should deal in medium quality Rudrakshas when nature has given us good quality Rudrakshas with natural hole at appropriate place. > Definitely one can give 50% discount on these types of Rudraksha beads as announced by one supplier in the forum. The cost of these Rudrakshas is less than 50 % than the good quality Rudralkshas.>  > Lastly we are using those seeds which are left to nature but divinity is still persisting in them and they give wonderful effect on usage. We are not shunning these seeds as "drieddeadbusted", "broken", "exposed" beads like what you have mentioned respectfully in your mail, for us still they are God and their effect is beyond doubt Godly.>  >  We are the ones who expose fake and knowledgeless suppliers. Our sale of Rudrakshas is governed by facts, figures, research and testing. Pl govern yourself by rationality, wit and wisdom. Dont take 5 years to know the texts of Rudrakshas above 15 Mukhi are mentioned > where and in which book. They are still mentioned in atleast five holy books of Hindus, but take atleast that much pains to find out where they are. Learn correctly where energisation process is mentioned in the holy books and follow it strictly. Dont develop your own ways, that is all waste of time.. >  > Lastly pl dont argue for the sake of arguing, think and ponder your innerself.. Come to Mumbai and meet me. I shall show you how ahead we have gone in energisation of beads by using different scientific ways. Rudrakshas and Shaligrams will the ultimate divine things which will be the ultimate saviour of whole human race. So more we learn about these divine aspects the more we can now about their Super natural powers.>  > Wish you happy new year.> > I hope this will help,> Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev Namaha> I beg to remain yours in the humble service of the Lord and His devotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day,> Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the service of Their Lordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram,> Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu,> Shri Swayamvyakta- Shaligram- Silas Arpanam Astu, > Thanks and Regards, > Haribol, > Rajiv Krishna Dasa,> WWW.SHALIGRAM. COM> 00 91 9322646421> 00 91 9322646420> 0091 22 24459616> salagram8@.. .> shaligram8@. ..> Address> 105, Hammersmith Industrial Estate,> Narayan Pathare Marg,> Off Shitla Devi Temple Road, Mahim, Mumbai 400037 > Maharashtra (India )> > --- On Thu, 1/1/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote:> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...>> Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin Rudrakshas> sacred-objects> Thursday, 1 January, 2009, 4:50 PM> > > > > > > dear oleji> > your concluding observation is true and ordained by the scriptures > that the scriptures talk only of faces or lines on the outer surface.> > i can easily demonstrate how seeds can be removed from a rudraksha > and also seeds can be put into a rudrakhsa. if one were to blindly > count the seeds within, lo, you can find a zero seed nirakar > rudraksha as well 100 seeds within a 14mukhi rudraksha and sell it as > a 100mukhi just because it has 100 seeds within. here the customers > shall care a damn for the external lines which are fewer in number > and shall put weightage only on the inserted extra seeds. the > process is made explicitly simpler since seed based suppliers find a > SUFFICIENTLY NATURALLY FORMED LARGE HOLE in all their rudrakshas.> > the bottomline is simple. i sell rudraksha only on the basis of the > way a rudraksha to be identified as ordained by ALL scriptures.> > if others wish to sell on new theories of some invisible things by > subjecting the holy gods under a radiation test, they are at liberty > to do so. the problem here is that they shall not try to paint the > shastras in poor light and those selling rudraksha only based on > shastra ordained identification rules as primitive and outdated.> > anyway, it is all a matter of faith that the rudraksha itself > represent lord shiva and is treated as lord shiva and it is never > sold as a commodity. those who treat it as a commodity sell it as a > commodity with certificates, tests, et all. an image of god is seen > as god and is not sold as a commodity. its value lies in the faith > that it is god and similarly rudraksha which are botanical seeds are > bought not as vegetables that commodity sellers sell but because of > treating them as divine.> > lastly, your finding comfort in using the rudraksha powder and > rudraksha oil as holy and divine is based on the logic that it is > extracted not from live rudraksha but from naturally dried, dead, > bursted, broken, exposed rudraksha and or its seeds. for those who > do treat rudraksha as a commodity, this theory sounds logical but for > those who rever rudraksha as god like me, it is simply unimaginable > for applying such dried, dead, bursted, broken forms of rudraksha > crushed and beaten to produce some usable commodity as oil and powder.> > the bottomline is very simple. here are two types of sellers of > rudraksha. one those who treat it as god. other who treat it as a > commodity. you heard stories of how theists find god in stones and > athiests find stones just as stones.> > if members are sour at reading these two different ways of treating > and selling rudraksha, i would rest my case under those who treat > rudraksha as god and sell them as god embodiments. if others sell it > as perishable commodity, they are at liberty to do so.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy .com> > sacred-objects@ .. com, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ > > wrote:> >> > Dear Rajiv Krishna Dasa,> > > > Hare Krishna> > > > Thank you very much for providing the information about how > medicine is made from naturally dried seeds of these Himalayan beads, > this was very comforting to know.> > > > These are the following available references from Shastra* about > hole in Rudrakshas:> > > > Shiva Purana Chapter 25, Verse 23:> > > > "That which has a natural hole from end to end is the most > excellent; that which is bored through by human effort is the > middling one."> > > > Jabalopanishad > > > > "If> > rudraksha has a natural hole at the appropriate place then it is > best.> > If the hold is made by force then it is medium quality rudraksha."> > > > Srimad Devi Bhagavatam> > > > Chapter 7, 1-4.> > > > Those Rudraksha that have their holes by nature running through and > through are best; and those that have have their holes pierces by men > are middling."> > > > * These verses translated by KN Seetha, Power of Rudraksha 2nd > expanded Edition> > > > It> > is my own limited personal experience that in some beads you have to> > use a lot of force (or patience) to carefully get the natural stalk > like material out from> > the centre of the bead, which in some cases could include> > drilling with a machine. You can drill with a toothpick or needle, > or a drill machine. The scriptural statement "made by force" is > definitely a very> > broad term which would allow careful drilling. > > > > Also in 2006 I was told> > wholeseller/ retailer Mukunda Khatiwada of Nepa Rudraksha in > Kathmandu> > that most 4, 5 and 6 Mukhi Nepali beads have strong seal on the > bottom which> > require drill machine. Can anyone confirm this?> > > > Again again, the point is that Shastra never talk about seeds > ANYWHERE, they always refer to the number of mukhi lines to determine > what is the power of the bead, so this notion of equal seeds/mukhi > lines is not supported by Shastra. > > > > Thanks,> > > > Y/S, Ole> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Shaligram Shala <shaligram8@ ...>> > sacred-objects> > Thursday, 1 January, 2009 5:57:52> > Re: Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin > Rudrakshas> > > > > > Hare Krishna Members, > > Please accept my best wishes, all glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga, > all glories to all the devotees of the Lord.> > I wanted to finish on to this discussion, but just new topics keep > coming and confusions are created because of ignorance and no > knowledge on the subject. But trying to prove > > some how or the other that one is right with illogical thought > process.> > > > The Nepali bead Rudraksha has a internal structure such that the > centre part inside the bead is weak and can easily be pierced thro > the wire WITHOUT DRILLING. The seeds are towards the middle or > towards the periphery on each bead and they dont come on the way > under any circumstances while piercing the bead for capping thro the > centre.> > Yes if the bead is deformed then the seeds can come on the way. But > by experience any person can found out whether the bead is well > formed or not and reject those beads which are liable to have this > problem. But ofcourse all these rejected beads are sold at the lesser > price so few Suppliers are attracted to it to generate more profits.> > > > Secondly I want to ask a simple uestion from the members that which > the energy Srot ( energy part) in any Rudrakshas. I mean whether it > is The SEEDS or the MUKHS ? Pl answer this question rartionally. In > my view it is seeds and not Mukhs as Mukhs are merely the channels to > take the energy given by the seeds. So the seeds have to equal and > complete as per the Mukhs or not??? So if you are wearing a bead > which is not tested for > > same no. of seeds vis a vis Mukhs, then you will not get the effect > of that Mukhi bead. > > It is amply clear that several well developed beads too have lesser > seeds than Mukhs. But will take that bead and assume that that is say > 8 Mukhi when the seeds inside are 6 or 7. Do you think that such a > bead will give you same effect as a bead with 8 seeds and 8 > Mukhs ??? So pl ponder on this. In my view you should go for well > tested beads than to believe suppliers who actually themselves > does'nt know what they are giving to you, in that how many seeds have > damaged due to DRILLING and making you wear injured GOD who will > actually curse you then to bless you. So be careful and be rational.> > > > Now lastly one gentleman has assumed that normal Rudrakshas or > their seeds are crushed to make powder or things like that. Does he > really know the procedure of making powder and other things out of > Rudrakshas ??? or firing like a miss guided, ill informed > > missile which is directionless and does't know what is head and > tail and ultimately gets blasted with the same missile himself.> > > > For the knowledge of members the Rudraksha powder or other > products are made from the natural dried up seeds. Normally the > seeds are slightly wet inside the bead. In the interior of HIMALAYAS > there are several places which are not inhabitated by the humans and > there also are several trees of Rudrakshas. There beads especially > the lower Mukhs like 3 Mukjhi, 4 Mukhi and 5 Mukhi 6 Mukhis are left > there only higher mukhs are taken due to weight constraint. These > Rudrakshas dries up naturally and their Mukhs opens up naturally and > the dried seeds comes out. Now these seeds are collected for making > the Rudrakshas products.> > I want to further submit that for making Rudrakshas beads products > the wet bead can never be used, it is only naturally dried beads > which can be used. > > > > I hope this clarifies the doubt which is created by knwledgeless > suppliers.> > > > I hereby again reitreate and caution Rudrakshas lovers that pl be > beware of suppliers which deal in low quality beads and give damaged > beads to the devotees and sell Rs. 2000 crippled so called one mukhi > with 4 or 5 seeds inside for a Lakhs and cheat the devotees by self > styled so called energisation of beads for their own benefit.> > > > Om Shanti Shanti Shanti > > > > I hope this will help,> > Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev Namaha> > I beg to remain yours in the humble service of the Lord and His > devotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day,> > Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the service of Their > Lordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram,> > Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu,> > Shri Swayamvyakta- Shaligram- Silas Arpanam Astu, > > Thanks and Regards, > > Haribol, > > Rajiv Krishna Dasa,> > WWW.SHALIGRAM. COM> > 00 91 9322646421> > 00 91 9322646420> > 0091 22 24459616> > salagram8 > > shaligram8 > > Address> > 105, Hammersmith Industrial Estate,> > Narayan Pathare Marg,> > Off Shitla Devi Temple Road, Mahim, Mumbai 400037 > > Maharashtra (India )> > > > --- On Wed, 31/12/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > wrote:> > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ >> > Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin > Rudrakshas> > sacred-objects@ . com> > Wednesday, 31 December, 2008, 10:02 AM> > > > > > dear friends> > > > very few members like you wish to discuss on the subject rudraksha > > whereas few have one and only objective of criticising other > > suppliers in their oneupmanship. members are all intelligent enough > > to understand the validity of xray test and how they find and count > > 21 seeds in an xray.> > > > all rudraksha buyers and suppliers are aware of several mukhis of > > nepalese rudraksha especially highers having their top portion > > closed. all rudraksha wholesellers from nepal as well as these very > > people are aware of this but just to criticise me they are giving > > bold certificates to themselves that all their rudraksha have > natural > > holes and that their rejected rudraksha are bought by all other > > suppliers. they are conveniently forgetting that shivapurana > > describes rudraksha with a hole bored through human effort is > > recommended as middling for wearing and to get benefits. it is only > > bold sacrilege on part of these people to say that humanly holed > > rudraksha are like damaging and putting a hole in the forehead even > > when shivapurana has mentioned and approved of it.> > > > it is the height of hypocricy and false selfglorification > > certificates to themselves that they dont drill holes in rudraksha, > > because these same people are selling rudraksha powder and > rudraksha > > oil and i have seen them physically selling these rudraksha powder > > and oil in exhibitions in various cities. going by their latest > mail > > of drilling a hole in forehead and damaging the god, it is common > > sense for any sane member to imagine how many rudrakshas these > people > > have killed, crushed, grounded, pounded, beaten and extracted oil > and > > powder from them. may be these people have double talk to say that > > drilling a hole is damaging and holing the god while crushing and > > killing and making it into an altogether new product like powder > and > > oil is not killing the god.> > > > with best wishes and blessings> > pandit arjun> > www.rudraksharemedy .com> > > > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@ > > > wrote:> > >> > > Bottom line here is that Shastra says you CAN drill through beads > > which has no natural hole, (Shiva Purana, Rudraksha Jabalopanishad) > > so there is no valid argument against this at all !! Unless perhaps > > you damage the bead in some gross way... About X-rays is more of a > > philosophical question. There are cosmic, natural and manmade rays > > everywhere. I dont suspect that xrays would harm the power of a > bead > > at all. Since shastra give no advice about checking beads > internally > > for matching number of internal seeds with lines, but only count > the > > lines, I am not so concerned about this, unless one checking rare > > beads which could be fake. However, to verify the THEORY that > genuine > > beads ALWAYS have SAME number of SEEDS inside as LINES should be > > PROVEN!> > > > > > Happy New Year to All! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > bala_songyi <balasongyi@ ...>> > > sacred-objects> > > Wednesday, 31 December, 2008 10:48:23> > > Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin > > Rudrakshas> > > > > > > > > Dear sirs> > > Damaged God or Goddess in Rudraksha ??? ° interesting °> > > > > > What about IRRADATION of the Gods in rudraksha via X-RAYS ???> > > > > > We do not touch or eat irradiated foods ,,,, due to damaged > > > nuclearation> > > > > > any comments ::::::> > > > > > sacred-objects, Shaligram Shala > > > <shaligram8@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Hare Krishna Dear Members, > > > > Thanks for your mail Prabhu. Please accept my best wishes, all > > > glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga, all glories to all the devotees > > of > > > the Lord.> > > > > > > > The Nepalese origin Rudraksha beads have aÃÆ'‚ NATURAL > HOLEÃÆ'‚ > > whether > > > it is 2 Mukhi round or 3 Mukhi or 4 Mukhi or 8 Mukhi or 9 Mukhi > or > > > 10 , 11, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19 and 21 Mukhi. Pl include thoseÃÆ'‚ > Mukhs > > > also which I have missed. > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > We actually reject those Rudrakshas in which we suspect that > > > naturally the wire would not go inside. But unfortunately few > > > Rudraksha suppliers buy those beads only and then drill the hole > in > > > them mercilessly and sell them as injured God. > > > > It is just equivalent to drilling hole on your forehead and > > feeling > > > good about it and assuming that drilled out damaged bead will do > > good > > > to you !!! Good Theory !!!> > > > Now I am able to understand how the inner seeds can be damaged, > > > very simple, once you drill the bead, naturally something is > forced > > > inside the auspicious bead and the bead gets damaged by the > > Rudraksha > > > Supplier. > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > I think this action is worse than selling so called Eka Mukhi > > > crippled Rudrakshas which have 4 or 5 seeds inside and only one > > Mukh > > > seen from the surface.> > > > My self, my father and other my relatives who are dealing in > > > Rudrakshas since last 20 years were equally amused like I > gotÃÆ'‚ > > amused > > > reading the mail. > > > > No doubtÃÆ'‚ his Rudrakshas suppliers are world class which > gives > > the > > > best rejected beads in the world.... > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > I have uploded the X Ray pictures of so called Eka Mukhi wioth > 4 > > or > > > 5 seeds inside on my website www.shaligram. com for the views to > > see > > > and decide whether they would like to wear such Eka Mukhi > > Rudrakshas > > > in their life.. I am forwarding the link for easy viewing:> > > > http://www.shaligra m.com/rudraksha/ 1mukhi.php> > > > > > > > I hope this will help,> > > > Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev Namaha> > > > I beg to remain yours in the humble service of the Lord and His > > > devotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day,> > > > Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the service of Their > > > Lordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram,> > > > Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu,> > > > Shri Swayamvyakta- Shaligram- Silas Arpanam Astu, > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > Haribol, > > > > Rajiv Krishna Dasa,> > > > WWW.SHALIGRAM. COM> > > > 00 91 9322646421> > > > 00 91 9322646420> > > > 0091 22 24459616> > > > salagram8@ .> > > > shaligram8@ ..> > > > Address> > > > 105, Hammersmith Industrial Estate,> > > > Narayan Pathare Marg,> > > > Off Shitla Devi Temple Road, Mahim, Mumbai 400037 > > > > Maharashtra (India )> > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 29/12/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ....> > > wrote:> > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...>> > > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol dana> > > > sacred-objects> > > > Monday, 29 December, 2008, 2:23 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear phadkeji> > > > > > > > thanks for your response and to observation of all members that > > > > perfectly round two mukhi like 4,5 or 6 mukhi rudrakhsa is > > rarest. > > > > yes, as you rightly pointed out nepalese mildly pear shaped two > > > mukhi > > > > rudraksha too is rare.> > > > > > > > another issue on which i request your response is whether all > > > > nepalese rudraksha have natural hole. shivpurana states that > > those > > > > rudraksha which have a natural hole from one end to other end > are > > > > most excellent and that those rudraksha which are bored through > > > human > > > > efforts are middling. recently some members went overboard in > > > > declaring or certifying as if they are the best judges on > > rudraksha > > > > that ALL NEPALESE RUDRAKSHA HAVE A NATURAL HOLE, nay, rather > they > > > > were amused and found funny for me being a rudraksha seller is > > > > unaware of it.> > > > > > > > the truth as it stands as seen by those very critical members, > > > > myself, any other human or any other machine remains the same > on > > > the > > > > following:> > > > > > > > 1. there is no rule that all nepalese rudraksha must have a > > natural > > > > hole.> > > > > > > > 2. most two mukhi nepalese rudraksha, especially the small > sized > > > > ones, do not have a natural hole from one end to other end.> > > > > > > > 3. most higher mukhi rudrakshas of 8 to 14 mukhi from nepal do > > not > > > > have a natural hole from one end to another end and most (if > not > > > all) > > > > of them have the top portion closed.> > > > > > > > can you kindly give your comments on the above.> > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > pandit arjun> > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com> > > > > > > > sacred-objects@ . . com, chandrashekhar > phadke > > > > <chphadke@ .> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Shri. Arjuna ji,> > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > I have mentioned that the 2 mukhi Nepal beadÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > of my > > collection > > > is > > > > pear shaped (i.e. slightly papillate in the peduncle region) > > > similar > > > > to the giant sized three mukhi Nepal bead.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ The > 2 mukhi > > Nepal > > > bead > > > > of my collection is not perfectly round like 4, 5 or 6 > > mukhi.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > The 2 > > > > mukhi Nepal rudraksha are generally square and oblong.ÃÆ'Æ'â> €šÃÆ'‚ > > Pear > > > shaped > > > > 2 mukhi beads are rarely seen.> > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > With best wishes,> > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke.> > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 24/12/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...>> > > > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol dana> > > > > sacred-objects> > > > > Wednesday, 24 December, 2008, 5:03 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear phadkeji> > > > > > > > > > till date i was not fortunate to see a perfectly round two > > mukhi > > > > like > > > > > the regular 4, 5 or 6 mukhi. could you kindly upload a photo > of > > > it > > > > > in the group if you have.> > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com> > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, chandrashekhar > phadke > > > > > <chphadke@ .> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Ole,> > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > The round two mukhi Nepal bead which I have inÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢> > €šÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ my > > > collection > > > > > isÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ similar to giant 3 > mukhi Nepal rudraksha > > i.e.. pear > > > shaped > > > > bead.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > The other roundÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ two > mukhi Nepal bead I had > > seen was > > > similar to > > > > > round 4 mukhi regular grade bead.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â> €šÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > Thanking you and with best wishes,> > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke> > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 23/12/08, alstrup <alstrup@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > alstrup <alstrup@ >> > > > > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol dana> > > > > > sacred-objects> > > > > > Tuesday, 23 December, 2008, 2:49 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have seen a lot of 2 mukhis on photos, certain beads will > > > appear> > > > > > round from one side, besides top and bottom. Some beads are > > more> > > > > > roundish than others. How round do you want it? I have > never > > > seen> > > > > > really round beads above 12 mukhi.> > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, "panditarjun2004"> > > > > > <panditarjun2004@ ....> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > dear richardji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > your observation is correct that round dvi mukh rudraksha > > > from > > > > > nepal > > > > > > > is as rare as gol ek mukhi rudraksha from nepal. i may > not > > be > > > > > > > exaggerating if i say that round two mukhi rudrakhsa is > > rarer > > > > > than > > > > > > > round one mukhi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > till date i could get only small sized genuine nepalese > two > > > > mukh > > > > > > > rudraksha and am not yet fortunate to lay my hands on a > > round > > > > two > > > > > > > mukhi rudraksha from nepal.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > if any rudraksha sellers are having round two mukhi > > rudraksha > > > > > with > > > > > > > them, they are requested to kindly share that photograph > in > > > the > > > > > group > > > > > > > as i appreciate publicly that it is much rarer than round > > ek > > > > > mukhi so > > > > > > > much so that i failed to get such round two mukhi in the > > past > > > > few > > > > > > > years.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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pgarg2010 Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 ancient texts never talked about inner seeds in rudraksha. So even if a rudraksha has 2-5 inner compartment but one mukh outside, it shd be treated as one mukhi only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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