Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 No one should ever point out Lord Krishna and the battle of Kurukshetra as an example of nationalism, because it was Hindus v/s Hindus, and Indians v/s Indians. Krishna never talked about nationalism. Nationalism is a fool's paradise. sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66 wrote: > > Yes! And the fundamental teaching or beginning of jnana is to overcome > the bodily concept. I am Indian, I am Vaishya, I am man, I am young, I > I I --- all bodily misconception or Maya, illusion. If a Hindu doesn't > understand that he is NOT Indian nor any other nationality, then he is > not a Hindu at all. He is a Nara-adama. Ajnani. A fool! So there is no > place for materialistic knee-jerk politics nor BS nationalism in true > " atma-vidya " also known as Hinduism. > > Thanks for the interesting and valuable post... > > Y/s, > Richard > > sacred-objects , " h. r. gupte " <hrgupte@> wrote: > > > > Here is something I found on net....just sharing with you ... > > > > Hindus belive Ekam sat bahudavadanti Vipra.... > > Means truth is one...it manifests in deffrent form... > > > > Hindus believe in one supreme God who created the universe and who is > > worshipped as Light, Love and Consciousness. > > > > > > Hindus believe that there is one all-pervasive God which energizes > > the entire universe. We can see Him in the life shining out of the > > eyes of humans and all creatures. > > > > > > We Hindus believe that there is one all-pervasive God which energizes > > the entire universe. We can see Him in the life shining out of the > > eyes of humans and all creatures > > > > > > This concept of God as existing in and giving life to all things is > > called " panentheism. " It is different from pantheism, which is the > > belief that God is the natural universe and nothing more. It is also > > different from theism which says God is only above the world. > > Panentheism is a beautiful concept. It says that God is both in the > > world and beyond it, both immanent and transcendent > > > > > > He is invisible, unmanifest and Nirguna (formless), but to please his > > devotees whose mind cannot comprehend His glory, He takes on forms to > > bless them. > > > > > > Shankara in his lalita trishati bhashya explains this very > > clearly,..... > > > > > > bhaktaanugrahaaka vigraha vattam vinaa devataayaa buddhavanaaropeNa > > saguNopaasana vigrahavantah aN^gikartavyaa iti pratishhThaapitam > > > > > > > > If the dieties do not possess forms to bless their devotees, the > > devotees cannot grasp them mentally and sagunopaasana becomes > > impossible.. > > > > > > But how should we worship ? > > > > Shankara says in the bhashya on how to worship > > > > > > > > tathaapi tadapavaada purassaram shuddha chaitanyaabheda dhyana ruupa > > mukhya bhajanam mukhya meva > > > > > > > > A devotee must meditate only on his oneness with pure awareness in > > worship. > > > > > > > > When a devotee approaches Ishvara or Ishta-devata with reverence, he > > thinks he is the body. He has the dehatma-buddhi. > > > > > > > > Thus shrii shankara further explains this in the aatmashhaTakaM > > > > > > > > manobuddhyaha.nkaarachittaani naahaM na cha shrotrajivhe na cha > > ghraaNanetre . na cha vyomabhuumiH na tejo na vaayuH > > chidaana.ndaruupaH shivo.ahaM shivo.aham.h > > > > > > > > I am not the intellect, ego, mind. Neither am I hearing, taste, > > smell, sight. Nor am I space, earth, light, air, field of > > consciousness. I am the pure consciousness of bliss. I am Shiva. I am > > Shiva. > > > > > > > > daasaste.ahaM dehadR^ ishhTyaa.asmi shaMbho jaatasteM.asho > > jiivadR^ishhTyaa tridR^ishhTe | > > > > sarvasyaa.a.atmannaatmadR ^ishhTyaa tvameve\- tyevaM me > > dhiirnishchitaa sarvashaastraiH || > > > > > > > > Oh Lord ! In the form of body I am your servant. In the form of life, > > O three-eyed one, I am part of yourself. In the form of soul, you are > > within me and in every other soul. I have arrived at this conclusion > > through my intellect and on the authority of the various scriptures. > > > > > > > > In 'Devi Mhatmya'... it is explained further... > > > > > > > > Salutations to the divine Mother who exists in all beings in various > > forms such as intelligence, mercy and beauty. Thou art the embodiment > > of all power. Thou art the sole refuge for all " > > > > > > > > > > > > devii-maahaatmya, > > > > adhyaaya 5, shlokas 14-80 > > > > > > > > > > > > yA devI sarvabhUteshhu vishhNumAyeti shabditA | > > > > namastasyai namastasyai namastasyai namo namaH || 14-16|| > > > > > > > > 14-16. 'Salutations again and again to the Devi who in all beings is > > called Vishnumaya. > > > > > > > > yA devI sarvabhUteshhu chetanetyabhidhIyate | > > > > namastasyai namastasyai namastasyai namo namaH || 17-19|| > > > > > > > > > > > > 17-19. 'Salutations again and again to the Devi who abides in all > > beings as consciousness; > > > > > > > > > > > > yA devI sarvabhUteshhu buddhirUpeNa sa.nsthitA | > > > > namastasyai namastasyai namastasyai namo namaH || 20-22|| > > > > > > > > > > > > 20-22. 'Salutations again and again to the Devi who abides in all > > beings in the form of intelligence; > > > > > > > > > > > > yA devI sarvabhUteshhu nidrArUpeNa sa.nsthitA | > > > > namastasyai namastasyai namastasyai namo namaH || 23-25|| > > > > > > > > > > > > 23-25. 'Salutations again and again to the Devi who abides in all > > beings in the form of sleep; > > > > > > > > > > > > yA devI sarvabhUteshhu kshudhArUpeNa sa.nsthitA | > > > > namastasyai namastasyai namastasyai namo namaH || 26-28|| > > > > > > > > > > > > 26-28. 'Salutations again and again to the Devi who abides in all > > beings in the form of hunger: > > > > > > > > > > > > yA devI sarvabhUteshhu chhAyArUpeNa sa.nsthitA | > > > > namastasyai namastasyai namastasyai namo namaH || 29-31|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 29-31. 'Salutations again and again to the Devi who abides in all > > beings in the form of reflection; > > > > > > > > > > > > yA devI sarvabhUteshhu shaktirUpeNa sa.nsthitA | > > > > namastasyai namastasyai namastasyai namo namaH || 32-34|| > > > > > > > > > > > > 32-34. 'Salutations again and again to the Devi who abides in all > > beings in the form of power . > > > > > > > > > > > > yA devI sarvabhUteshhu tR^ishhNArUpeNa sa.nsthitA | > > > > namastasyai namastasyai namastasyai namo namaH || 35-37|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 35-37. 'Salutations again and again to the Devi who abides in all > > beings in the form of thirst; > > > > > > > > > > > > yA devI sarvabhUteshhu kshAntirUpeNa sa.nsthitA | > > > > namastasyai namastasyai namastasyai namo namaH || 38-40|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 38-40. 'Salutations again and again to the Devi who abides in all > > beings in the form of forgiveness; > > > > > > > > > > > > yA devI sarvabhUteshhu jAtirUpeNa sa.nsthitA | > > > > namastasyai namastasyai namastasyai namo namaH || 41-43|| > > > > > > > > > > > > 41-43. 'Salutations again and again to the Devi who abides in all > > beings in the form of genus; > > > > > > > > > > > > yA devI sarvabhUteshhu lajjArUpeNa sa.nsthitA | > > > > namastasyai namastasyai namastasyai namo namaH || 44-46|| > > > > > > > > > > > > 44-46. 'Salutations again and again to the Devi who abides in all > > beings in the form of modesty; > > > > > > > > > > > > yA devI sarvabhUteshhu shAntirUpeNa sa.nsthitA | > > > > namastasyai namastasyai namastasyai namo namaH || 47-49|| > > > > > > > > > > > > 47-49. 'Salutations again and again to the Devi who abides in all > > beings in the form of peace; > > > > > > > > > > > > yA devI sarvabhUteshhu shraddhArUpeNa sa.nsthitA | > > > > namastasyai namastasyai namastasyai namo namaH || 50-52|| > > > > > > > > > > > > 50-52. 'Salutations again and again to the Devi who abides in all > > beings in the form of faith; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yA devI sarvabhUteshhu kAntirUpeNa sa.nsthitA | > > > > namastasyai namastasyai namastasyai namo namaH || 53-55|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 53-55. 'Salutations again and again to the Devi who abides in all > > beings in the form of loveliness; > > > > > > > > > > > > yA devI sarvabhUteshhu lakshmIrUpeNa sa.nsthitA | > > > > namastasyai namastasyai namastasyai namo namaH || 56-58|| > > > > > > > > > > > > 56-58. 'Salutations again and again to the Devi who abides in all > > beings in the form of good fortune; > > > > > > > > > > > > yA devI sarvabhUteshhu vR^ittirUpeNa sa.nsthitA | > > > > namastasyai namastasyai namastasyai namo namaH || 59-61|| > > > > > > > > > > > > 59-61. 'Salutations again and again to the Devi who abides in all > > beings in the form of activity; > > > > > > > > > > > > yA devI sarvabhUteshhu smR^itirUpeNa sa.nsthitA | > > > > namastasyai namastasyai namastasyai namo namaH || 62-64|| > > > > > > > > > > > > 62-64. 'Salutations again and again to the Devi who abides in all > > beings in the form of memory ; > > > > > > > > > > > > yA devI sarvabhUteshhu dayArUpeNa sa.nsthitA | > > > > namastasyai namastasyai namastasyai namo namaH || 65-67|| > > > > > > > > > > > > 65-67. 'Salutations again and again to the Devi who abides in all > > beings in the form of compassion; > > > > > > > > > > > > yA devI sarvabhUteshhu tushhTirUpeNa sa.nsthitA | > > > > namastasyai namastasyai namastasyai namo namaH || 68-70|| > > > > > > > > > > > > 68-70. 'Salutations again and again to the Devi who abides in all > > beings in the form of contentment; > > > > > > > > > > > > yA devI sarvabhUteshhu mAtR^irUpeNa sa.nsthitA | > > > > namastasyai namastasyai namastasyai namo namaH || 71-73|| > > > > > > > > > > > > 71-73. 'Salutations again and again to the Devi who abides in all > > beings in the form of mother; > > > > > > > > > > > > yA devI sarvabhUteshhu bhrAntirUpeNa sa.nsthitA | > > > > namastasyai namastasyai namastasyai namo namaH || 74-76|| > > > > > > > > > > > > 74-76. 'Salutations again and again to the Devi who abides in all > > beings in the form of error; > > > > > > > > > > > > indriyANAmadhishhThAtrI bhuutAnAJNchAkhileshhu yA | > > > > bhUteshhu satataM tasyai vyAptidevyai namo namaH || 77|| > > > > > > > > > > > > 77. 'Salutations again and again to the all-pervading Devi who > > constantly presides over the senses of all beings and (governs) all > > the elements; > > > > > > > > > > > > chitirUpeNa yA kR^ itsnametad.hvyApya sthitA jagat.h | > > > > namastasyai namastasyai namastasyai namo namaH || 78-80|| > > > > > > > > > > > > 78-80. 'Salutations again and again to her who, pervading the entire > > world, abides in the form of consciousness. > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , anne thakur <annethakur@> > > wrote: > > > > > > The era of the Gurus > > > Sketch: Beatles goes hindu and now everyone want their own sitar to > > levitate with in their back yard ashram. The Brahmins get a new fate > > in the American Express Company. The Brahma Kumaris take over the > > Indian Government, then the United Nations just before the world is > > destroyed by Nuclear Bombs leaving just 900,000 of their followers to > > enjoy heaven on earth > > > they are all pretty funny. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Hello, I beg to differ. Quoting the Mahabharat "Sarve Dharma Raj Dharma Pradhana" . Unlike Pan Islamism and Pan Christianity if a poll was to be taken Patriotism would come up as a strong character of a Hindu. The Gita and the Mahabharat do come from the same author...dont they? I am sure there are manu more of those if you pick the vedas and the smritis. (Yes, I continue to be a critic of smritis for reasons out of scope of this particular thread) I would like to hear a quote from Sanatan scriptures showing Patriotism as lowly vice. Even looking at Oscar Wilde's quote on "Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious" Patriotism did reflect to be a virtue. best regards, Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Hi Jay, Sure! People should be patriotic. That is good. BUT, it is NOT atma-vidya (raja-vidya) it is, in fact, avidya. Ajnana. Y/s, R- sacred-objects , Jay Munshi <jaymunshi wrote: > > Hello, > > I beg to differ. > > Quoting the Mahabharat " Sarve Dharma Raj Dharma Pradhana " . Unlike Pan Islamism and Pan Christianity if a poll was to be taken Patriotism would come up as a strong character of a Hindu. > > The Gita and the Mahabharat do come from the same author...dont they? > > I am sure there are manu more of those if you pick the vedas and the smritis. (Yes, I continue to be a critic of smritis for reasons out of scope of this particular thread) > > I would like to hear a quote from Sanatan scriptures showing Patriotism as lowly vice. > > Even looking at Oscar Wilde's quote on " Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious " Patriotism did reflect to be a virtue. > > best regards, > > Jay > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Interesting. Will agree if you could differentiate between Nationalism and Patriotism. best, Jay sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66 wrote: > > Hi Jay, > > Sure! People should be patriotic. That is good. BUT, it is NOT > atma-vidya (raja-vidya) it is, in fact, avidya. Ajnana. Y/s, R- > > sacred-objects , Jay Munshi <jaymunshi@> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I beg to differ. > > > > Quoting the Mahabharat " Sarve Dharma Raj Dharma Pradhana " . Unlike > Pan Islamism and Pan Christianity if a poll was to be taken Patriotism > would come up as a strong character of a Hindu. > > > > The Gita and the Mahabharat do come from the same author...dont they? > > > > I am sure there are manu more of those if you pick the vedas and the > smritis. (Yes, I continue to be a critic of smritis for reasons out of > scope of this particular thread) > > > > I would like to hear a quote from Sanatan scriptures showing > Patriotism as lowly vice. > > > > Even looking at Oscar Wilde's quote on " Patriotism is the virtue of > the vicious " Patriotism did reflect to be a virtue. > > > > best regards, > > > > Jay > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Hi Jay! OK, by nationalism I'm American, but by patriotism I'm Thai. And by self I'm atma, so-aham, nothing to do with either. People who think, " This body is me, and that body is my wife, and this body is our child, and this is my enemy, this is my friend, I BELONG to India, I'm Indian! " - This is complete 100% Maya. Avidya. It is the opposite of the Bhagavad Gita. Nationalism is a " fool's paradise " . sacred-objects , " Jay " <jaymunshi wrote: > > Interesting. Will agree if you could differentiate between > Nationalism and Patriotism. > > best, > > Jay > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " > <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > Hi Jay, > > > > Sure! People should be patriotic. That is good. BUT, it is NOT > > atma-vidya (raja-vidya) it is, in fact, avidya. Ajnana. Y/s, R- > > > > sacred-objects , Jay Munshi <jaymunshi@> > wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I beg to differ. > > > > > > Quoting the Mahabharat " Sarve Dharma Raj Dharma Pradhana " . Unlike > > Pan Islamism and Pan Christianity if a poll was to be taken > Patriotism > > would come up as a strong character of a Hindu. > > > > > > The Gita and the Mahabharat do come from the same author...dont > they? > > > > > > I am sure there are manu more of those if you pick the vedas and > the > > smritis. (Yes, I continue to be a critic of smritis for reasons out > of > > scope of this particular thread) > > > > > > I would like to hear a quote from Sanatan scriptures showing > > Patriotism as lowly vice. > > > > > > Even looking at Oscar Wilde's quote on " Patriotism is the virtue > of > > the vicious " Patriotism did reflect to be a virtue. > > > > > > best regards, > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 ORIGIN OF JIVATMA The spiritual realm of Krishna is internal and the product of a potency of the Lord, known as Antaranga or Yogamaya shakti; and you are a soul belonging to a potency of Krishna, called Jiva Shakti, which lies in-between. You reside in the all-blissful Realm of the Lord or in the material ocean of misery according to the correct or wrong use of your God-given free will. So THREE specific points have been determined in the concept of Reality: 1. Paravyom Vaikuntha Brahma jyoti - The eternal, all blissful, spiritual universe which is the playground of the Lord and lies within. 2. Mahat Tattva or Maya - The temporary changeable jada, material universe, the endless ocean of birth and death, which lies without. 3. Jiva-tattva - All living beings seen or unseen who belong to the Jiva (soul) potency which is all spiritual and blissful by nature and lies in between the external and internal worlds. You and all beings, as completely different from the temporary changeable material mind and bodies*, are souls who belong to the jiva potency that is all-conscious and composed of spiritually pure light (Chetan).....In the beginning God said " let there be light and there was light " (Bible). The jivas were created by the Lord out of a divine Particle of His Own Self.... In the beginning He was all-alone. So out of infinite love and with a desire to sport He became many and yet Himself remained unchanged (Upanishad). Jivas are possessed of free will, and all souls have the choice to go to the spiritual Realm of God on one side and experience eternal bliss in the loving service of the Lord, their normal condition, or they can choose the material universe with the desire to be the enjoyer and taste temporary enjoyments, which are really sufferings in disguise. Then, putting on the ever-changing material gross and subtle bodies they enter into this endless ocean of misery passing through 84 lakhs varieties of material bodies from the atom (anu) , to one-celled, creatures, plants, insects, and animals, to man, rising and falling, until by the mercy of the glorious FIVE they experience devotion to the Lord again. By Their Grace all can once again enter the spiritual all-conscious Realm to engage their pure spiritual mind and body of soul in His loving service, never to return to this material ocean of birth and death again. Although the jiva shakti lies in-between the spiritual and material Realms still the souls are always engaged in one or the other and do not reside in the middle but only emanate from that position on the whole. The jivas are placed into the Maha maya potency by Sarva-karana-karanam Sri Krishna Himself. It is the purpose of the Jiva to pass through Maya. There is a complete difference between the jivatma's making the material choice as opposed to the mundane idea that Jivas can fall (down) from Goloka-dham after already being liberated, which goes against Lord Krishna's promise to Arjuna. The Jivas are a potency of Krishna, Who has injected them into His Mahamaya potency. It is simply a matter of ignorance in the beginning and certainly not a fall down from the eternal attainment of svarupa siddhi. So, Reality is KRISHNA! He has three main points: (1) Maya (2) Yoga Maya (3) Jivas (souls), which are His potencies and rest in Him but are not He. All are souls belonging to the Jiva shakti and are His eternal servants, but having turned away from their Lord from time immemorial all are now groping in the dense darkness of this world of misery, trying to find a drop of the happiness which can only be found in the all-blissful Realm of God. All souls can be classified into two groups: (1) the deluded and disloyal atheists who are called badha jivas (those in bondage), and (2) the loyal and enlightened souls who are called mukta jivas or those who are freed. But the latter are rare, less than one in one million. " Oh Arjuna, know it that of all beings caught in this ocean of time only a few seek for truth and of a million seekers only one finds that truth and of a million seekers only one finds that truth and becomes the devotee of God. " (Gita). *Body and mind means " jada deha " composed of 5 elements, earth, water, fire, air, ether, AND " mana deha " composed of mun-buddhi-ahamkar. It is in the mana-deha that carries the atma from one jada-deha to another. THIS is Vijnana, the direct opposite of mundane nationalism. Y/s, Richard sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66 wrote: > > Hi Jay! OK, by nationalism I'm American, but by patriotism I'm Thai. > And by self I'm atma, so-aham, nothing to do with either. People who > think, " This body is me, and that body is my wife, and this body is > our child, and this is my enemy, this is my friend, I BELONG to India, > I'm Indian! " - This is complete 100% Maya. Avidya. It is the opposite > of the Bhagavad Gita. Nationalism is a " fool's paradise " . > > sacred-objects , " Jay " <jaymunshi@> wrote: > > > > Interesting. Will agree if you could differentiate between > > Nationalism and Patriotism. > > > > best, > > > > Jay > > > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " > > <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Jay, > > > > > > Sure! People should be patriotic. That is good. BUT, it is NOT > > > atma-vidya (raja-vidya) it is, in fact, avidya. Ajnana. Y/s, R- > > > > > > sacred-objects , Jay Munshi <jaymunshi@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > I beg to differ. > > > > > > > > Quoting the Mahabharat " Sarve Dharma Raj Dharma Pradhana " . Unlike > > > Pan Islamism and Pan Christianity if a poll was to be taken > > Patriotism > > > would come up as a strong character of a Hindu. > > > > > > > > The Gita and the Mahabharat do come from the same author...dont > > they? > > > > > > > > I am sure there are manu more of those if you pick the vedas and > > the > > > smritis. (Yes, I continue to be a critic of smritis for reasons out > > of > > > scope of this particular thread) > > > > > > > > I would like to hear a quote from Sanatan scriptures showing > > > Patriotism as lowly vice. > > > > > > > > Even looking at Oscar Wilde's quote on " Patriotism is the virtue > > of > > > the vicious " Patriotism did reflect to be a virtue. > > > > > > > > best regards, > > > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 Dear Richard, In my understanding Nationalism is an ideology and political movement standing its ground on ethnical and cultural achievements. In todays age of nations fused of different cultures and languages it is very synonymous to Patriotism and often in regular parlance are interchangeble and synonymous. Nationalism is an ideology inculcating the virtue of Patriotism. While spiritual pursuits are most necessary for personal (atma's) upliftment Nationalism and spirituality as per the theories of the Godly Song of Krishna go hand in hand. I am not going into understanding of the Maya and the Brahm Gyana. These both are far beyond my capacity as a mortal to comprehend. Though my understanding of the second chapter of Bhagvad Gita with the most famous lines like "Tasmad Uthhishtha Kaunteya" are a call on any man standing between the choices. All choices are internal wars of pleasant over good. With the death in karma bhoomi sure to bring heaven (as per the chapter ii) does bring in Nationalistic Pride. The age of Mahabharta has long gone and evolution takes its course in furthering human civilization. With once criticised experiments of democracy in small city states of India (which Chanakya gobbled) and the Glory of Rome today the Democratic values are fuelled only by Nationalism. And modern governing methods are by far superior than to the fuedal ages...yes even the times of Mahabharata. Today there are no Karnas, Arjunas and Duryodhanas. Mahabharata is a epic about tormentted times when not only do people suffer due to personal prides and interests but bring war upon civilians for petty things as personal pride. Patriotism too is a very petty virtue which will stand so till we grow beyond the boundries and see that Humanity is far mightier goal to pursue. Gita being so profound in its philosophy that every time I read it I find a new facet to the Gem which surprisingly had always missed. May be I just missed the point entirely in my intellectual masterbation or perhaps I could make my point is very difficult a choice to make. I rest my argument here and look forward to reading threads on the forum. best regards, Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 Message from twit > yes ,originally Hinduism in it's pure forms is peaceful and non-dualistic,beyond distinctions and separatism.as the scriptures are vast one can always find something to support one's ideals.however nationalism surely is the promotion of division,duality,development of ego,and conflict;not harmony,unity and universalism.nationalism is always promoted by politicians and war mongers at time of conflict and fighting.it's true many Indians are nationalistic,but the same can be said for people of all countries.the media and governments promote it, it suits there manipulations. If a Hindu is born in england,thailand,canada,bali,sri lanka,or australia,what does he become?.there are so many nationalities and Hindus can be found thru'out the world,so how can such a profound religion be said to develop nationalism?patriotism is created by those with other agendas than universal peace. Surely the purest form of Hinduism is to develop peace and moksha,not division. regards twit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 Hello Richard Totally agree to you Richard reading your last couple of post on Nationalismi have read and I agree to you that no where in Hinduism there is said anything on Nationalism it only speaks about Mrityu+loak as earth. Mrityu meaning is death. So when we came across this word, I think at the time of Chanakya when Alexander invaded India at that period of time if you reed books you will come to know at that point patriotism was associated with " Gan+Raajya " in English we call it as Republic. It was said at that time that India was not able to defend Alexsander because it was divided into lots of " Gan+Raajya " which did not come together to fight with the invading army. And so Chanakya united the country and formed Maurya Empire with first King as Chandraguta Maurya then Ashoka followed. I have came across a very good link on You tube if you have time please watch to support what I have said. Scientific Verification of Vedic Knowledge in Hinduism 1) 2) 3) Regards Rahul sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66 wrote: > > Message from twit > > > yes ,originally Hinduism in it's pure forms is peaceful and > non-dualistic,beyond distinctions and separatism.as the scriptures are > vast one can always find something to support one's ideals.however > nationalism surely is the promotion of division,duality,development of > ego,and conflict;not harmony,unity and universalism.nationalism is > always promoted by politicians and war mongers at time of conflict and > fighting.it's true many Indians are nationalistic,but the same can be > said for people of all countries.the media and governments promote it, > it suits there manipulations. > > If a Hindu is born in england,thailand,canada,bali,sri lanka,or > australia,what does he become?.there are so many nationalities and > Hindus can be found thru'out the world,so how can such a profound > religion be said to develop nationalism?patriotism is created by those > with other agendas than universal peace. > > Surely the purest form of Hinduism is to develop peace and moksha,not > division. > > regards > twit > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 Very interesting. The last post was by Twit, and he put it very well. Nationalism = politics = Maya (illusion). Here, in this forum, we deal with Sacred-Objects and Sanatana dharma. Nationalism is politics, and has no value here. Sometimes I get these stupid Political posts about Hinduism being ruined and militant ranting against others. I always delete such junk. The only way Hinduism could be " ruined " is through Nationalism. Luckily enough Hindus understand the basic principals of Bhagavad Gita not to fall into the " trap " of Nationalism. Y/s, R- sacred-objects , " RAHUL " <toneyrahulsharma wrote: > > Hello Richard > > Totally agree to you Richard reading your last couple of post > on Nationalismi have read and I agree to you that no where in > Hinduism there is said anything on Nationalism it only speaks about > Mrityu+loak as earth. Mrityu meaning is death. > > So when we came across this word, I think at the time of > Chanakya when Alexander invaded India at that period of time if you > reed books you will come to know at that point patriotism was > associated with " Gan+Raajya " in English we call it as Republic. It > was said at that time that India was not able to defend Alexsander > because it was divided into lots of " Gan+Raajya " which did not come > together to fight with the invading army. And so Chanakya united the > country and formed Maurya Empire with first King as Chandraguta > Maurya then Ashoka followed. > > I have came across a very good link on You tube if you have time > please watch to support what I have said. > > Scientific Verification of Vedic Knowledge in Hinduism > > 1) > 2) > 3) > > Regards > Rahul > > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " > <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > Message from twit@ > > > > > yes ,originally Hinduism in it's pure forms is peaceful and > > non-dualistic,beyond distinctions and separatism.as the scriptures > are > > vast one can always find something to support one's ideals.however > > nationalism surely is the promotion of > division,duality,development of > > ego,and conflict;not harmony,unity and universalism.nationalism is > > always promoted by politicians and war mongers at time of conflict > and > > fighting.it's true many Indians are nationalistic,but the same can > be > > said for people of all countries.the media and governments promote > it, > > it suits there manipulations. > > > > If a Hindu is born in england,thailand,canada,bali,sri lanka,or > > australia,what does he become?.there are so many nationalities and > > Hindus can be found thru'out the world,so how can such a profound > > religion be said to develop nationalism?patriotism is created by > those > > with other agendas than universal peace. > > > > Surely the purest form of Hinduism is to develop peace and > moksha,not > > division. > > > > regards > > twit > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Hello, Thanks all for clearing up my doubts Best regards, Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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