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Dear Friends! I appologise to all of You, if my post about Guru subject sounds a little bit aggresive, but my point is, that in my experience I have seen a lot of people being wrongly initiated and mislead, so they had to suffer long and unnecessary ordeals, just because of some ignorant elders, and siddhis they use, in form of same old stories about original successions, lineages,etc. That's religious politics, and I have deepest respect for those few ones who managed to find true lineages and therefore the truth in essence. I Bow!! best wishes Vjenceslav

 

 

typhon777To: sacred-objects Subject: RE: Re: the greatest guru of all timesMon, 23 Jun 2008 18:28:02 +0200

thank you richard, I became aware of it the moment I post it.....

sacred-objects From: rsbj66Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:07:50 +0000 Re: the greatest guru of all times

 

 

The whole purpose of this group is to discuss points in question. Y/s,Richardsacred-objects , summa iru anama <typhon777wrote:>> > I can not believe that people in this group have discussion aboutthis topic in question.> > Only true initiation is SELF-INITIATION,because as long as somebodyelse is telling You what to do,it is his will, not your own TRUEWILL.The point of any spiritual path is to realize your own trueWILL,and when You find your own will,You have found GURU.> > Only thing between guru in ourselves and the world outside us is onecommon true enemy called EGO..I have personally great respect for eachyogi,guru,siddha,etc. but as long as an individual is looking forsomebody else to tell him/her some 'special' or 'secret' mantra,or anyother type of 'secret' spiritual information,that same individual is,no doubt, on the wrong path...> > Is there any special formula to realize your own true self? Get ridof your own egos....Only than,and only than you can see the world ASIT IS..The secret is in number ZERO,since it is the only number freeof duality.Duality is about separation ,and looking from metaphysicalpoint of view, it is NOT possible to achieve unity by mixing black andwhite,because black cannot exist without white,and white cannot existwithout black (to put it in plain language). Duality is only the MEANSfor explaining religious phenomenas,and nothing more,nothing less.Sahaja samadhi is without object and without subject,and what remainsat the end is NOTHING or TRUE SELF. Just be yourselves, be who youreally are,and then we will all be as ONE.> > I am not trying to proof anything here, everybody has right to dowhat they will, as long as individual has awakened his/hers own TRUEWILL.You have to fight for it every single day, by overcomingobstacles in life, because only by inner-fighting you can achieveinner-peace. Emotions(ego) can only be defeted by intellect. Even theanimals have emotions, therefore intellect is THAT which make ushuman. Respect all religions in the world, because at the end ,theyare all teaching us basicly the same thing. Religion is not politics.Religions of the world are everlasting source of existence, justwitness IT.> > > best wishes & kind regards > > yours truly friendly > > Vjenceslav> > > sacred-objects: bala_songyi: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 09:39:54+0000 Re: the greatest guru of all times> > > > > This organization seems to have an very active discussiongroup since Year 2000 to date Jun 2008Who then is the authorof the replies and advices,? some other initiated guru after thepassing of their Guru...??I have their published magazines in complete1981 to last date of published monthly, in my library, but neverreally look at them critically (way less read)...Anyway, I dont seeanything wrong or any issues wrong about them, as many otherspiritualist businesses on this of a Non GDP accountableGray Market (a large sector of unaccountable GDP to lessen sufferingsof Man and guide to Moksha)For the records, my interest are purelySacred Objects (Manis) and Ancient Perfumeries items like KuberKunglilam (that Jamindar of yester years and old Royal Families usedaily at laxmi kuner pooja etc) etc as I am scientist in New DrugDiscovery, specialization in International Regulatory Affairs(clinicals to Approvals of human use)I am not into any spiritualistbusiness of any sort Nor intention future such spiritual business.WithBest RegardsBMWsacred-objects , Kochu Menon<kochu1@> wrote:>> Please do not think the persons who wrote on thesubject are 'against' this or that. That is like bushy declaring toMushy dear that 'if you are not with us, you are gainst us and we willbomb you back to stone age' immediately after 9/11.> > However have alook at http://www.siddhashram.org/ it is interesting. They promiseheaven but there is a price to be paid .> > i saw it and I had theheartiest laugh.> > Yes it would be nice to know what all benefits Mr.Vikrant got from siddhashram.org. Whether he ever met srimali inperson ever. How he is a disciple of srimali. How many gurus he has.How many mantras he got initiated into etc. etc. before and AFTER hewent to siddhashram.org.> > Anybody can think anything he wants. Buthe need not push it down anybody's throat. Isn't it funny that thesesort of mails surface in many groups periodically sort of advertisingthis website? Of course no website is mentioned. Once someone showssome interest he/she is carefully guided to the website with allegedpersonal miracles. There was no post from Vikrant after the initialpost to the reactions.> > And please note that he is spoken of in thepresent tense as if the fellow is alive. He passed away in 1998 orso.> > and the mantras are written full of mistakes andmispronunciation at their website and most of the details seem to becopies from various published texts including typos. Some are, Ibelieve, made up. It is seeing this - i was guided to the site by thesame method employed here. First a nice write up then wonderfulexperiences recounted in personal e-mails and then website address.Thats where they lost me. the typos made me aghast. I can go on but Irestrain myself.> > Probably what will follow is a personal attack.>Menon> > > sacred-objects@: mprgrandmaster@: Sun, 22 Jun 200817:48:48 +0300RE: Re: the greatest guru ofall times> > > > > Dear all,In this Era, both Ancient Divinities andAncient Evils have taken Incarnation. So, it ios hard to say who iswho.....Still, insulting a persoanility with no reasonis not a way todiscuss anything in a polite , civilised way..Wabout whether Dr.Narayan is a true guru or not, Mr. Vikrant obvioudsly thinks he is butall those against his Guru, do you have any reasons? It would beinteresting if you could reason your opinions and not just talkunkindly against a person, especially when he is dead. Also, Vikrantcould give us some reasons for his opinion tooAbout whether Dr Narayanis the greatest guru of all, a Guru is the greatest Guru o all for Hisdisciples, as a Deity is the Supreme for all Her/His bhakatas.This iscommon in Hiundu culture as far as I am aware . Whether he is trulythe greatest guru, well the Greatest Guru of All is the SupremeDivinity,the All Pervading Divine Force. That Force Who is the OneGuru of All Gurus of All Times. If Dr Narayan is the Full Embodimentof That Force, this is the question....Regards,Dennis> > > To:sacred-objects@: rsbj66@: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:50:22 +0000Re: the greatest guru of all times> > > How cananyone, other than Bhagavan, possibly be 'the greatest guru ofalltime'? For a start, ALL TIME is not yet over! Besides, Late Dr.NarayanDutt Shrimali is just author of a few tiny books on gemology,like somany before and after him. He is hardly even significant, whatto speakof NOT being GREATEST GURU OF ALL TIME. Absurd!--- Insacred-objects , Janardana Dasa<lightdweller@> wrote:>>Also, are siddhis and accomplishments in those arts an indicationofone being 'the greatest Guru of all times' ?> > --- On Sun, 6/22/08,Kochu Menon <kochu1@> wrote:> > Kochu Menon <kochu1@>> Subject:RE: the greatest guru of all times> To:sacred-objects > Sunday, June 22, 2008, 5:36 AM>> he is a long dead person and whether he had siddhis or not I cannotvouch. But I do know that his sons are running some sort of ashramwhere siddhis are sold by the kilo. How effective I do not know. But Iwould not personally touch that place with a barge pole.> > Menon> >sacred-objects> binnumero (AT) (DOT) co.in>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 01:03:12 +0100> Re: the greatest guru of all times> > vikrant,> can i have the address ofthe pious person> rgds> binode> > Vikrant <free_for_blue@ >wrote: > > > i have done a indepth study of indian tantra from manyyears now and i have personally found that Dr. Narayan Dutt ShrimaliJi is the biggest greatest and most powerfull guru of indian tantramantra and sadhanas in the whole world...> > we indians are reallyfortunate to have such a great powerfull guru in india...> > thegreatness of gurudev Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali Ji is way beyondwords...> > the greatest guru of all times...> > > > > > Vikrant> > >> binode kripalani> numerologist 9831664581(Kolkata)>binodeuk (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> binode_kripalani@ > > > > Meet peoplewho discuss and share your passions. 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no matter what we all think of Satya Sai Baba he said one thing once i shall

never forget

and that was

Of all of the many thousands of people that have come to him to ask for

things , this and that, no one ever asks for Liberation

 

Now that sums it all up I think

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Guru is Guru he is just like a flower which has lots to offer and

we are always like a honey bee searching for nectar. It is

irrelevant that he is great or average or he might mislead we should

get the best out from him and move to another. If we don't like we

can move to some other flower (Guru). Guru (Teacher) is very

important in any one's life.

 

It reminds me of a story and if you have time read it, its

based on a mantra

 

Sanskrit

form " Om Mani Padma Hum " mantra of Avalokiteshvara

 

Tibetan

form " Om Mani Peme Hung " mantra of Chenrezig

 

______

The True Sound of Truth

An old story speaks about a similar problem. A devoted meditator,

after years concentrating on a particular mantra, had attained

enough insight to begin teaching. The student's humility was far

from perfect, but the teachers at the monastery were not worried.

A few years of successful teaching left the meditator with no

thoughts about learning from anyone; but upon hearing about a famous

hermit living nearby, the opportunity was too exciting to be passed

up.

The hermit lived alone on an island at the middle of a lake, so the

meditator hired a man with a boat to row across to the island. The

meditator was very respectful of the old hermit. As they shared some

tea made with herbs the meditator asked him about his spiritual

practice. The old man said he had no spiritual practice, except for

a mantra which he repeated all the time to himself. The meditator

was pleased: the hermit was using the same mantra he used himself --

but when the hermit spoke the mantra aloud, the meditator was

horrified!

" What's wrong? " asked the hermit.

" I don't know what to say. I'm afraid you've wasted your whole life!

You are pronouncing the mantra incorrectly! "

" Oh, Dear! That is terrible. How should I say it? "

The meditator gave the correct pronunciation, and the old hermit was

very grateful, asking to be left alone so he could get started right

away. On the way back across the lake the meditator, now confirmed

as an accomplished teacher, was pondering the sad fate of the

hermit.

" It's so fortunate that I came along. At least he will have a little

time to practice correctly before he dies. " Just then, the meditator

noticed that the boatman was looking quite shocked, and turned to

see the hermit standing respectfully on the water, next to the

boat.

" Excuse me, please. I hate to bother you, but I've forgotten the

correct pronunciation again. Would you please repeat it for me? "

" You obviously don't need it, " stammered the meditator; but the old

man persisted in his polite request until the meditator relented and

told him again the way he thought the mantra should be pronounced.

The old hermit was saying the mantra very carefully, slowly, over

and over, as he walked across the surface of the water back to the

island.

 

 

 

sacred-objects , summa iru anama

<typhon777 wrote:

>

>

> Dear Friends! I appologise to all of You, if my post about Guru

subject sounds a little bit aggresive, but my point is, that in my

experience I have seen a lot of people being wrongly initiated and

mislead, so they had to suffer long and unnecessary ordeals, just

because of some ignorant elders, and siddhis they use, in form of

same old stories about original successions, lineages,etc. That's

religious politics, and I have deepest respect for those few ones

who managed to find true lineages and therefore the truth in

essence. I Bow!! best wishes Vjenceslav

>

>

> typhon777: sacred-objects: RE: Re:

the greatest guru of all timesMon, 23 Jun 2008 18:28:02 +0200

>

>

> thank you richard, I became aware of it the moment I post it.....

>

> sacred-objects: rsbj66: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:07:50

+0000 Re: the greatest guru of all times

>

>

> The whole purpose of this group is to discuss points in question.

Y/s,Richardsacred-objects , summa iru anama

<typhon777@>wrote:>> > I can not believe that people in this group

have discussion aboutthis topic in question.> > Only true initiation

is SELF-INITIATION,because as long as somebodyelse is telling You

what to do,it is his will, not your own TRUEWILL.The point of any

spiritual path is to realize your own trueWILL,and when You find

your own will,You have found GURU.> > Only thing between guru in

ourselves and the world outside us is onecommon true enemy called

EGO..I have personally great respect for eachyogi,guru,siddha,etc.

but as long as an individual is looking forsomebody else to tell

him/her some 'special' or 'secret' mantra,or anyother type

of 'secret' spiritual information,that same individual is,no doubt,

on the wrong path...> > Is there any special formula to realize your

own true self? Get ridof your own egos....Only than,and only than

you can see the world ASIT IS..The secret is in number ZERO,since it

is the only number freeof duality.Duality is about separation ,and

looking from metaphysicalpoint of view, it is NOT possible to

achieve unity by mixing black andwhite,because black cannot exist

without white,and white cannot existwithout black (to put it in

plain language). Duality is only the MEANSfor explaining religious

phenomenas,and nothing more,nothing less.Sahaja samadhi is without

object and without subject,and what remainsat the end is NOTHING or

TRUE SELF. Just be yourselves, be who youreally are,and then we will

all be as ONE.> > I am not trying to proof anything here, everybody

has right to dowhat they will, as long as individual has awakened

his/hers own TRUEWILL.You have to fight for it every single day, by

overcomingobstacles in life, because only by inner-fighting you can

achieveinner-peace. Emotions(ego) can only be defeted by intellect.

Even theanimals have emotions, therefore intellect is THAT which

make ushuman. Respect all religions in the world, because at the

end ,theyare all teaching us basicly the same thing. Religion is not

politics.Religions of the world are everlasting source of existence,

justwitness IT.> > > best wishes & kind regards > > yours truly

friendly > > Vjenceslav> > > sacred-objects@: bala_songyi@: Mon,

23 Jun 2008 09:39:54+0000 Re: the greatest

guru of all times> > > > > This organization seems to have an very

active discussiongroup since Year 2000 to date Jun

2008Who then is the authorof the replies and advices,? some other

initiated guru after thepassing of their Guru...??I have their

published magazines in complete1981 to last date of published

monthly, in my library, but neverreally look at them critically (way

less read)...Anyway, I dont seeanything wrong or any issues wrong

about them, as many otherspiritualist businesses on this

of a Non GDP accountableGray Market (a large sector of unaccountable

GDP to lessen sufferingsof Man and guide to Moksha)For the records,

my interest are purelySacred Objects (Manis) and Ancient Perfumeries

items like KuberKunglilam (that Jamindar of yester years and old

Royal Families usedaily at laxmi kuner pooja etc) etc as I am

scientist in New DrugDiscovery, specialization in International

Regulatory Affairs(clinicals to Approvals of human use)I am not into

any spiritualistbusiness of any sort Nor intention future such

spiritual business.WithBest RegardsBMWsacred-

objects , Kochu Menon<kochu1@> wrote:>> Please do not

think the persons who wrote on thesubject are 'against' this or

that. That is like bushy declaring toMushy dear that 'if you are not

with us, you are gainst us and we willbomb you back to stone age'

immediately after 9/11.> > However have alook at

http://www.siddhashram.org/ it is interesting. They promiseheaven

but there is a price to be paid .> > i saw it and I had theheartiest

laugh.> > Yes it would be nice to know what all benefits Mr.Vikrant

got from siddhashram.org. Whether he ever met srimali inperson ever.

How he is a disciple of srimali. How many gurus he has.How many

mantras he got initiated into etc. etc. before and AFTER hewent to

siddhashram.org.> > Anybody can think anything he wants. Buthe need

not push it down anybody's throat. Isn't it funny that thesesort of

mails surface in many groups periodically sort of advertisingthis

website? Of course no website is mentioned. Once someone showssome

interest he/she is carefully guided to the website with

allegedpersonal miracles. There was no post from Vikrant after the

initialpost to the reactions.> > And please note that he is spoken

of in thepresent tense as if the fellow is alive. He passed away in

1998 orso.> > and the mantras are written full of mistakes

andmispronunciation at their website and most of the details seem to

becopies from various published texts including typos. Some are,

Ibelieve, made up. It is seeing this - i was guided to the site by

thesame method employed here. First a nice write up then

wonderfulexperiences recounted in personal e-mails and then website

address.Thats where they lost me. the typos made me aghast. I can go

on but Irestrain myself.> > Probably what will follow is a personal

attack.>Menon> > > sacred-objects@: mprgrandmaster@: Sun, 22 Jun

200817:48:48 +0300RE: Re: the greatest

guru ofall times> > > > > Dear all,In this Era, both Ancient

Divinities andAncient Evils have taken Incarnation. So, it ios hard

to say who iswho.....Still, insulting a persoanility with no

reasonis not a way todiscuss anything in a polite , civilised

way..Wabout whether Dr.Narayan is a true guru or not, Mr. Vikrant

obvioudsly thinks he is butall those against his Guru, do you have

any reasons? It would beinteresting if you could reason your

opinions and not just talkunkindly against a person, especially when

he is dead. Also, Vikrantcould give us some reasons for his opinion

tooAbout whether Dr Narayanis the greatest guru of all, a Guru is

the greatest Guru o all for Hisdisciples, as a Deity is the Supreme

for all Her/His bhakatas.This iscommon in Hiundu culture as far as I

am aware . Whether he is trulythe greatest guru, well the Greatest

Guru of All is the SupremeDivinity,the All Pervading Divine Force.

That Force Who is the OneGuru of All Gurus of All Times. If Dr

Narayan is the Full Embodimentof That Force, this is the

question....Regards,Dennis> > > To:sacred-objects@: rsbj66@: Sun, 22

Jun 2008 12:50:22 +0000Re: the greatest

guru of all times> > > How cananyone, other than Bhagavan, possibly

be 'the greatest guru ofalltime'? For a start, ALL TIME is not yet

over! Besides, Late Dr.NarayanDutt Shrimali is just author of a few

tiny books on gemology,like somany before and after him. He is

hardly even significant, whatto speakof NOT being GREATEST GURU OF

ALL TIME. Absurd!--- Insacred-objects , Janardana

Dasa<lightdweller@> wrote:>>Also, are siddhis and accomplishments in

those arts an indicationofone being 'the greatest Guru of all

times' ?> > --- On Sun, 6/22/08,Kochu Menon <kochu1@> wrote:> >

Kochu Menon <kochu1@>> Subject:RE: the

greatest guru of all times> To:sacred-objects > Date:

Sunday, June 22, 2008, 5:36 AM>> he is a long dead person and

whether he had siddhis or not I cannotvouch. But I do know that his

sons are running some sort of ashramwhere siddhis are sold by the

kilo. How effective I do not know. But Iwould not personally touch

that place with a barge pole.> > Menon> >sacred-objects@

. com> binnumero (AT) (DOT) co.in>Sun, 22 Jun

2008 01:03:12 +0100> Re: the greatest guru

of all times> > vikrant,> can i have the address ofthe pious person>

rgds> binode> > Vikrant <free_for_blue@ >wrote: > > > i

have done a indepth study of indian tantra from manyyears now and i

have personally found that Dr. Narayan Dutt ShrimaliJi is the

biggest greatest and most powerfull guru of indian tantramantra and

sadhanas in the whole world...> > we indians are reallyfortunate to

have such a great powerfull guru in india...> > thegreatness of

gurudev Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali Ji is way beyondwords...> > the

greatest guru of all times...> > > > > > Vikrant> > >> binode

kripalani> numerologist 9831664581(Kolkata)>binodeuk (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>

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Dear Sophia!

 

You have to understand that in western countries the subject of guru has been introduced by "the Beatels" when they came back from India together with Maharishi (who at the end of his life in Belgium had his own type of money, no $, no euros), and his TM system of meditation. In the 70' same thing happend with Osho and his system of teachings, and then there were Hare Krishna. In the 80' Sai Baba teachings reached west.

 

By the end of 70' americans started using 'guru' methods (pure bullying of people),in such an aggresive way that if you went there on 'so called' menagment lessons, you were all put in one big room, and the "menagment guru" would humiliate people to such an extent, that if you decide to leave the room, you would be considered a weak person and a looser. Are the westerners so souless

and brainless people that they need somebody to humilitate them in order to achieve something? Inquisition of catholic church is milk and honey if you compare it with 70' buissness menagment technique introduced to the world by americans.

 

Then by the end of 80' and in the begining of 90', "age of aquarius" became main spiritual topic together with quartz method of healing. Now, when we all know that we are not living in the "age of aquarius", and that it was just another spiritual propaganda, so what's next? Todays menagment lessons, became so popular, that people are paying ridiculous amounts of money just because they think that they are going to learn a magic formula for getting rich. There in no a single atom of spirituality in western way of thinking, since most of them all want one single thing, and that is MONEY.

 

I have spent my adult years in living in Amsterdam (I had to run away from ex Yugoslavia, because they wanted me to go to war and kill people, for what? for nationalistic pride?), in the most utopic society on this planet earth, where everything is allowed, all main religions of the world are accepted by society, ( I'm talking about Amsterdam, not Holland ). The secret of Amsterdam (even the common Amsterdamers don't know that) is that they have largest esoteric library of western grimmoires and sacred books from the renaissance period. They knew facts about precession of equinoxes, they were aware of astronomical knowledge, and at the end western people were the first ones to make a map of the world. The problem of the West is that even the freemasonry (which is based on kabbalistic dogma) teachings are based on Holy Bible, and from todays point of view some of their lectures sound ridiculous, and are out of date. These days, only true western teachings are ones based on genuine Kabbalah, since it combines unortodox teachings from all basic religions of the middle-east. If you understand egyptian religion, you will see that ALL western religious systems are merest copies of egyptian belief system. Egyptian Animism was, is and always shall be motherhood of all spirituality.

 

My point is that Westerners are too materialistic, while Orientals are too much supperstitious, from my experience. The other day I was watching on National Geographic chanell episode about tsunami, and I remembered that at the time tsunami strike (I was at Sri Lanka in a beach house 20 meters from the ocean) I wasn't affraid for one second ( I ended up holding a tiny branch of a tree ), and when it ended, that was the moment when the emotions kicked in. I lost everything, I mean absolutely everything. Fear is an emotional illusion, and with our senses we are all emotionally attached to the world we perceive. The truth is not out there, the truth is hidden inside, in our heart.

 

A friend of mine was a few years ago in Bangalore, and as you know, Sai Baba chooses every time one person from the ashram to talk to him personally. What Sai baba told my friend was " follow your heart ". I think that I have made my point. What do I personally think about Sai Baba and his western devotees? It's like selling ice to the eskimos. But that's just me and my opinion on the topic of the greatest guru of all times, no strings attached.

 

best wishes & kind regards Vjenceslav

 

 

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nAMASKAREVERYONEWELL, I JUST HAVE ONE THING TO SAYno matter what we all think of Satya Sai Baba he said one thing once i shall never forgetand that wasOf all of the many thousands of people that have come to him to ask for things , this and that, no one ever asks for LiberationNow that sums it all up I thinkmokshsophia dalle nyc Discover the new Windows Vista Learn more!

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I think this discussion is wonderful

I really do. We all always need to come back with reminder of bottom line.What

are we really here for in this incarnation? what is it we truly seek? Sometimes

getting back to basics is a good thing. HOw much is liberation from the

endless cycle of 84 lakh really what we seek? or are we still caught up in

thinking we can dnace with desire for material transitory phenomena and give

lip service to the truth/

anyway i am enjoying this and i thank everyone for expressing their thoughts.

all i know if the suffering i see all around me in all things although in the

ultimate truth is non existant is very real to those suffering whether in a

nimal or human incarnation. now if having a guru or any practice that can

lead one out of the continual sanskaras that create that suffering is

available and useful than all due haste should be made to avail oneself of

that. it helps no one nor does it serve ones true self to denounce the use

of a guru who may impar t true wisdom we are not in a position to judge.

certainly not. the so called gurus that rip people off i cannot imagine what

karmas they are making for themselves the insane spiritual arrogance in t hat

regard would be laughable if not so serious as to bum trip a sincere soul .

if people want transitory material things and go to guru for such that is

of course their business.

those who seek the truth have responsibilty to speak it and have compassion

for themselves and every one else.

 

The individual self, deluded by forgetfulness of his identity with the divine

Self, bewildered by his ego, grieves and is sad. But when he recognizes the

worshipful Lord as his own true Self, and beholds his glory, he grieves no

more.â€2

 

These two paragraphs are a perfect summary of the entire Gita. Arjuna is the

bewildered and sorrowing atma, the individual self, and Krishna is the divine

Paramatma, the Supreme Self from which the atma derives its very being and

existence. Forgetful of its true nature as part of the Infinite Spirit, the

finite spirit passes through countless experiences that confuse and pain it,

producing utterly false conclusions that compound and perpetuate the confusion

and pain. Only when the perspective of the Divine Self is entered into, can its

troubles cease. We can also think of Arjuna as our lower mortal self, and

Krishna as our higher immortal self. Krishna and Arjuna thus represent both God

and Man and our own (presently) dual nature as mortal and immortal. Keeping this

perspective before us, the ensuing dialogue which forms the Gita is to be seen

both as God’s communication to human beings and the communication of our own

divine self with our human

self–liberation of the spirit (moksha) being their sole intention

word Swami Prabhavananda renders “sacred field†is dharmakshetra–the field

of dharma. Dharma usually means the right way of thought and action, but it can

also mean the accurate expression of one’s own dominant character, for dharma

also means “quality.†This entire world is a dharmakshetra, a field upon

which we act out the character of our inner makeup–i.e., the quality of our

emotions, mind, intellect, and will (not our ultimate being as spirit). We as

individuals are each a dharmic field, expressing the actuality of our present

level of evolution.

 

humanity as a whole is frightened very frightened hence the continual grasping

any religion any guru any practice that does not lead to the truth has much to

answer for

it is a very tragic state of affairs for many thousands of years. let us be

about our business of truth

 

thankyou all for speaking

[Guest guest]

Moksh everyone

Hmmmmmmmm.It may or may not be that Satya Sai Baba is authentic I have never

met him I know people that are Indian and were raised in india as his devotees

and still stick with him i know people the opposite.Whetehr or not he is

authentic and lied through his teeth about bestwoing / granting /openign the

door to liberation for someone is a serious matter as any some such lying guru

 

At the same time those who seek material evaporating illusions and are willing

to pay faux gurus for it ( actually the visual i just saw in my head is

pathetic) is just that pathetic.

but then they dont get it do they?

the greatest illusion of all time

and the so called gurus that perpetuate the delusion and suffering this is such

a spiritual travesty .because it is these so called gurus that know they are

making some nasty karma in fooling poor souls that are suffering. really

disgaceful

indeed really thoroughly disgraceful

for authentic gurus such as Alstrup speaks of i do believe exist although rare.

I must say i sincerely sincerely hope we each one of us have come or will

come under the grace of suh and hasten our departure off the wheel of 84

lakhs

[Guest guest]

i just found this in another group may i post?

God's Devotees Have Exclusive Dependence on Only God (June 24, 2008

Posted by: " sadhak_insight " sadhak_insight sadhak_insight

Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:59 am ((PDT))

 

:Shree Hari:

 

24th June, 2008, Tuesday

Aashaad Krishna Shasthi, Vikram Samvat 2065, Mangalvar

 

" He who is desireless (wanting nothing from anyone), who is at all

times immersed in Me, calm and quiet, free of aversion (hatred), and

with an equal vision, I at all times follow such a great Soul, so

that a speck of dust from his lotus feet, rubs off on Me whereby I

am purified. (Srimad Bhagavat. 11:14:16).

 

A devotee of God, that desires something from God, is in essence

desiring worldly things, because it is only to acquire those things

that He is worshipping God, and not for the sake of God Himself.

But God is so very generous, that He also considers them as His

devotees. (Gita 7:16).

 

Question: In the Gita, those devotees who desire wealth and

material prosperity are also called generous by God, " Udaaraah sarve

evaiteh " (Gita 7:18), Why?

 

Answer: Even in those devotees are desiring wealth (arthaathi

bhakt) from God, in their eyes God is main (primary), whereas the

wealth is secondary. Therefore God has said " Caturvidhaa bhajante

maam, " (Gita 7:16). Besides God, they do not desire wealth from

anyone else. But he who is not a devotee, he who is worshipping God

for the sake of satisfying his material desires, cannot attain

spiritual upliftment and auspiciousness. As he has not considered

God to be the end (saadhya), rather only considered God as the

vehicle for fulfilling his desires. His main goal is money, and God

is that machine producing equipment. Such an individual leaves God

after fulfilling his desires (i.e. God is secondary to him).

 

One woman's husband fell sick. Someone advices her to pray to God

to cure her husband's sickness. She prayed exactly as instructed

and the husband was healed. Later the husband was once again ill,

and she prayed again, but this time the husband died. The woman

took the God's idol (statue) and threw it out. Those who pray to

God in this manner, cannot attain salvation.

 

But a devotee, who is exclusively depending on God for even his

material needs, is still loving to God. The reason is that he is

depending on no one else but God as the source for fulfilling his

desires. In other words, he has faith, trust and dependecny on only

God, and prays to only God for acquiring those things. God not only

fulfills the desires of such devotees, such as Dhruv, but in

addition, he makes them desireless.

 

From " The Bhagavad Gita - Sadhak Sanjivani " in hindi pg 821 by Swami

Ramsukhdasji.

[Guest guest]

moksh

and then we have the following

 

What is happening on the July 17th Full Moon? Grace Light is coming and God is

answering your prayers. This has not happened in several hundred thousand years

and is heralded by many Saints of Southern India. This is the time that God, of

not one religion but of all religions, in the form of light, is entering and

making significant changes on the individual, body and mind level.

 

Grace Light is the light of god. It is invisible to the human eyes but visible

to sages, prophets, messiahs, angels and other high beings. Grace Light has

incredible intelligence and energy to do anything and everything. It is the

almighty power of god.

 

Once it is transmitted into a person the Grace Light will do its work in a

miraculous way. It will transform the body, mind and the soul. On the body level

there will be significant changes in terms of healing diseases and enhancement

of energy levels. The mind will receive greater intelligence to develop

different parts of the brain. Grace Light will also positively influence your

prosperity and gradually eradicate poverty.

 

Grace Light is golden in color. Gold itself is divine. It is indeed the real

money, not the dollar or pound. The divinity of gold is acknowledged by all of

the siddha enlightened masters. They found many secretive applications of gold:

it can give you longevity, remove karma, create prosperity, save life, etc.

Swami Ramalingam had the ability to create 1000 karat gold through his yogic

powers. Incidentally the planet that controls gold is Guru (Jupiter).

 

Baba has designed two rituals to appropriately use the July 17th Full Moon. We

can receive both material and spiritual blessings on this full moon. To attract

wealth towards you through on this divine moon, we are energizing 22K gold coins

at the most powerful vortex for Lakshmi. These coins will be empowered with the

Grace Light and material prosperity infused in them by Goddess Maha Sundara

Lakshmi at Arasar Koil. Maha Sundara Lakshmi contains all 64 Lakshmis within

her. Possessing these coins will help attract wealth towards you through divine

means. To purchase

 

For each set of gold coins purchased, we will also sponsor the feeding of 10

people on your behalf at Mettukuppam. Mettukuppam is a special energy vortex

where the great saint Swami Ramalingam in 1874 transformed his physical body

into light and ascended to heaven on a Full Moon day. Much of Swami Ramalingams

miraculous transformation was documented by the British. It was his deep prayer

that every human should experience Grace Light. The quickest way to access

divine grace is to feed a famished person, starving for food and water. To

purchase gold coins and feeding

 

 

Guru Purnima offerings :

 

27 Gold Coins (1/2 gram each)

(Includes S & H) $ 1400

9 Gold Coins (1/2 gram each)

(Includes S & H) $ 600

Feeding 54 people at Mettukuppam - Grace Light Ascension Site $ 108