Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Dear Abhi, You insist: " Guru Nanak is Guru Nanak, he can do it even today! " My question is " WHAT? " can he do even today? Best wishes, Richard sacred-objects , Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu wrote: > > Dear Sir, > > Guru Nanak is Guru Nanak, he can do it even today. That said let me share this very wonderful anecdote regarding the Sardar Khuswant Singh, a famous journalist. He was photographed having drinks & kissing Pakistani Women in a party thrown in Lahore. > > The Local Qazi issued a Death Warrant in his name saying his acts are blasphemous!!! " That a gentleman be drunk & kiss ladies half his age & that too a Sardarji!!!... Undaunted Khuswant Singh confronted him & quoted this Urdu Couplet; " Gar Mulla Dum Hai teri Dua Mein, Toh is masjid ki Minar Ko Hila Kar Dikha, Gar Dum Nahi toh le pii do ghoont aur Masjid ko hilta dekh. " > > Translated it means " O Priest if you are so confident of your devotion then try to move the the minaret of your Masjid, if not then Gulp this Scotch & see the entire Masjid shaking. > > The Bemused Qazi could not help but smile & the fatwa was annulled. So if a two cent piker like Sardar Khushwant Singh could manage this in 2001, what to say of Guru Nanak Dev. > > As regards Mr. Bhatia, the Mayor, I am sure he was high when he told you his version of the event. > > Aapka Asli Mitra, > Abhishek > > > Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66 wrote: > Dear Abhi, > > I heard the story from late Durga Das Bhatia, then Mayor of Amritsar. It was as he told me, different from your version. So who do I believe? During time of Guru Nanak the Muslims would have killed him for such Koranic blasphamy. Then they were sawing people in half, cutting people to bits, and smashing temples. But you propose that Guru Nanak convinced them that Mecca is where ever his feet are!? He would be killed even today for that statement, what to speak of 500 years ago. Get real! Y/s, Richard > > sacred-objects , Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu@> wrote: > > > > If I may interject sir, the Guru Nanak Mecca episode goes like, > > > > The Qazi; " Why are you resting, with your feet pointed at Kaaba, This is a disrespect to > Allah. " > > > > to this Sri Nanak Replied; Mate; " Tell me a direction which Allah does not inhabit. " > > > > The Qazi saw reason, & politely left. > > > > > > > > Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66@> wrote: > > EXAMPLE: For over 1,000 years Mecca has not moved, not before nor after nor > during the life of Guru Nanak. Yet I was told by late Mayor of Amritsar, a Hindu, that some > Muslims moved the sleeping Guru Nanak so his feet would not face toward Mecca. But, lo > and behold, Mecca also moved to follow the feet of the Guru. In fact Mecca has NEVER > moved. So that story is complete nonsense. Y/s, R- > > > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw-Brown " <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > Weeping and unhappiness are NOT the nature of Krishna, Who is Atmaram. It does > not > > exist in Brahman. It is human emotional nonsense to place such faults on Him. And it > > makes Hinduism sound absurd. Consider, if Bhagavan is some guy that cries because > he's > > not worshipped!?? What kind of god is that? Please... Y/s, Richard > > > > > > sacred-objects , Janardana Dasa <lightdweller@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Swami Rama (author of i.e. " Living with the Himalayan Masters " ) has also told this > story > > > in that book. He has also told that Sri Krishna Prem (Dr. Ronald Henry Nixon - 1st > > known > > > Western Vaishnava to be initiated) & Dr. Alexander (Anand Bhikku) who was also from > > > England, was retiring too early and not doing their sadhana properly. As you said, this > > was > > > said to be the cause of the tears from the Murti. The author also said that some of > > those > > > in India treated them badly, as they did not recognize the spiritual greatness of the 2 > > > Englishman at the time. > > > > > > > > Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu@> wrote: Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > Without a doubt The Himalayas are the crowning glory of India's spiritual heritage. > > > Deep into the Himalayas, there is temple dedicated to Bhagavan Sri. Krishna. > > > > > > > > The renunciates who reside in this ashrama aptly coined Uttar-Vrindavana, are > under > > > the constant guidance of the lord. At the Heart of the ashrama, there is placed a rare > live > > > statue, which starts weeping if a aspirant is not performing his sadhana sincerely!!!! > > > > > > > > At first this flummoxed the sadhus, one of them a Cambridge professor thought > > there > > > a water spring, at the base of the statue. In their excitement, they uprooted the statue > & > > to > > > their surprise found no source of water. > > > > > > > > All of them were aghast & realised they had committed a grave mistake, Suddenly > > the > > > voice of their deceased master enveloped the woods & chided them for their > > foolishness. > > > She told them, that the Lord personally was monitoring everyone's sadhana & was > > unhappy > > > at the progress of some candidates. > > > > > > > > As per instruction the statue was dilligently repaired by the loving aspirants. Even > > now > > > the statue weeps!!!, if a candidate is breaching the celestial protocol. Amongst the > > sincere > > > Himalayan cubs it is known as the " Test Statue " . > > > > > > > > Yogi Sri Krishna Prem, the Cambridge Scholar passed the school with a Summa Cum > > > Laude, way back in the1940's. > > > > > > > > With Warm Regards, > > > > from a rascal > > > > > > > > Abhishek > > > > > > > > > > > > Forgot the famous last words? 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Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Dear Sir, What a Man of God Cannot Do!!! Even Sri Madhava & Chaitanya have had their fair share of contructive interaction with Turks & Arabs. Varying accounts of these interactions are in currency, so which one to believe!!! The problem arises when the messenger is given greater emphasis than his message. I very much doubt Sri. Chaitanya originally made the claims regarding his Spiritual Status, which his followers later claimed. Gaining Mindshare, is the key for any cult. If anyone's worships Sri. Krishna, just because he read somewhere (or someone told him), that he is the supreme personality of God-Head. Do you call that devotion!!!, that is greed. How funny!!!, Do not worship so & so because that is ultimately useless. This can have some very damaging consequences, ask the kids who had their asses plugged, by some very exhalted followers of Gaudiya Vaishnava Sampradaya. What was The Lord doing when this was happening, was it the fault of the kids (surely the law of karma was in play)!!! I am sure Lord was not playing the Flute by the Jumna when this was taking place. Was it not his duty to protect innocent kids who had reposed their faith in him as the Supreme Personality of Godhead!!! If you ask me which is the greatest fraud on humanity, it is this statement, "That God alone is ultimately responsible for all that takes place." These problem arise, when we see God as someone different from our our-selves. Now, If you wish to know what Guru Nanak Dev can do, first tell me what do you think he cannot do!!! Warm Regards Abhishek Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66 wrote: Dear Abhi,You insist: "Guru Nanak is Guru Nanak, he can do it even today!" My question is "WHAT?" can he do even today?Best wishes,Richardsacred-objects , Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu wrote:>> Dear Sir,> > Guru Nanak is Guru Nanak, he can do it even today. That said let me share this very wonderful anecdote regarding the Sardar Khuswant Singh, a famous journalist. He was photographed having drinks & kissing Pakistani Women in a party thrown in Lahore.> > The Local Qazi issued a Death Warrant in his name saying his acts are blasphemous!!! "That a gentleman be drunk & kiss ladies half his age & that too a Sardarji!!!... Undaunted Khuswant Singh confronted him & quoted this Urdu Couplet; "Gar Mulla Dum Hai teri Dua Mein, Toh is masjid ki Minar Ko Hila Kar Dikha, Gar Dum Nahi toh le pii do ghoont aur Masjid ko hilta dekh."> > Translated it means " O Priest if you are so confident of your devotion then try to move the the minaret of your Masjid, if not then Gulp this Scotch & see the entire Masjid shaking.> > The Bemused Qazi could not help but smile & the fatwa was annulled. So if a two cent piker like Sardar Khushwant Singh could manage this in 2001, what to say of Guru Nanak Dev.> > As regards Mr. Bhatia, the Mayor, I am sure he was high when he told you his version of the event.> > Aapka Asli Mitra,> Abhishek> > > > > > > > > > Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66 wrote:> Dear Abhi,> > I heard the story from late Durga Das Bhatia, then Mayor of Amritsar. It was as he told me, different from your version. So who do I believe? During time of Guru Nanak the Muslims would have killed him for such Koranic blasphamy. Then they were sawing people in half, cutting people to bits, and smashing temples. But you propose that Guru Nanak convinced them that Mecca is where ever his feet are!? He would be killed even today for that statement, what to speak of 500 years ago. Get real! Y/s, Richard> > sacred-objects , Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu@> wrote:> >> > If I may interject sir, the Guru Nanak Mecca episode goes like,> > > > The Qazi; "Why are you resting, with your feet pointed at Kaaba, This is a disrespect to > Allah."> > > > to this Sri Nanak Replied; Mate; "Tell me a direction which Allah does not inhabit."> > > > The Qazi saw reason, & politely left.> > > > > > > > Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66@> wrote:> > EXAMPLE: For over 1,000 years Mecca has not moved, not before nor after nor > during the life of Guru Nanak. Yet I was told by late Mayor of Amritsar, a Hindu, that some > Muslims moved the sleeping Guru Nanak so his feet would not face toward Mecca. But, lo > and behold, Mecca also moved to follow the feet of the Guru. In fact Mecca has NEVER > moved. So that story is complete nonsense. Y/s, R-> > > > sacred-objects , "Richard Shaw-Brown" <rsbj66@> wrote:> > >> > > Weeping and unhappiness are NOT the nature of Krishna, Who is Atmaram. It does > not > > exist in Brahman. It is human emotional nonsense to place such faults on Him. And it > > makes Hinduism sound absurd. Consider, if Bhagavan is some guy that cries because > he's > > not worshipped!?? What kind of god is that? Please... Y/s, Richard> > > > > > sacred-objects , Janardana Dasa <lightdweller@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Swami Rama (author of i.e."Living with the Himalayan Masters") has also told this > story> > > in that book. He has also told that Sri Krishna Prem (Dr. Ronald Henry Nixon - 1st > > known> > > Western Vaishnava to be initiated) & Dr. Alexander (Anand Bhikku) who was also from> > > England, was retiring too early and not doing their sadhana properly. As you said, this > > was> > > said to be the cause of the tears from the Murti. The author also said that some of > > those> > > in India treated them badly, as they did not recognize the spiritual greatness of the 2> > > Englishman at the time.> > > >> > > > Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu@> wrote: Dear Friends,> > > >> > > > Without a doubt The Himalayas are the crowning glory of India's spiritual heritage.> > > Deep into the Himalayas, there is temple dedicated to Bhagavan Sri. Krishna.> > > >> > > > The renunciates who reside in this ashrama aptly coined Uttar-Vrindavana, are > under> > > the constant guidance of the lord. At the Heart of the ashrama, there is placed a rare > live> > > statue, which starts weeping if a aspirant is not performing his sadhana sincerely!!!!> > > >> > > > At first this flummoxed the sadhus, one of them a Cambridge professor thought > > there> > > a water spring, at the base of the statue. In their excitement, they uprooted the statue > & > > to> > > their surprise found no source of water.> > > >> > > > All of them were aghast & realised they had committed a grave mistake, Suddenly > > the> > > voice of their deceased master enveloped the woods & chided them for their > > foolishness.> > > She told them, that the Lord personally was monitoring everyone's sadhana & was > > unhappy> > > at the progress of some candidates.> > > >> > > > As per instruction the statue was dilligently repaired by the loving aspirants. Even > > now> > > the statue weeps!!!, if a candidate is breaching the celestial protocol. Amongst the > > sincere> > > Himalayan cubs it is known as the "Test Statue".> > > >> > > > Yogi Sri Krishna Prem, the Cambridge Scholar passed the school with a Summa Cum> > > Laude, way back in the1940's.> > > >> > > > With Warm Regards,> > > > from a rascal> > > >> > > > Abhishek> > > >> > > > > > > > Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online. > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Save all your chat conversations. Find them online.> >> > > > > > > > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Click here to know how.> Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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