Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Dear Friends, Without a doubt The Himalayas are the crowning glory of India's spiritual heritage. Deep into the Himalayas, there is temple dedicated to Bhagavan Sri. Krishna. The renunciates who reside in this ashrama aptly coined Uttar-Vrindavana, are under the constant guidance of the lord. At the Heart of the ashrama, there is placed a rare live statue, which starts weeping if a aspirant is not performing his sadhana sincerely!!!! At first this flummoxed the sadhus, one of them a Cambridge professor thought there a water spring, at the base of the statue. In their excitement, they uprooted the statue & to their surprise found no source of water. All of them were aghast & realised they had committed a grave mistake, Suddenly the voice of their deceased master enveloped the woods & chided them for their foolishness. She told them, that the Lord personally was monitoring everyone's sadhana & was unhappy at the progress of some candidates. As per instruction the statue was dilligently repaired by the loving aspirants. Even now the statue weeps!!!, if a candidate is breaching the celestial protocol. Amongst the sincere Himalayan cubs it is known as the "Test Statue". Yogi Sri Krishna Prem, the Cambridge Scholar passed the school with a Summa Cum Laude, way back in the1940's. With Warm Regards, from a rascal Abhishek Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Swami Rama (author of i.e."Living with the Himalayan Masters") has also told this story in that book. He has also told that Sri Krishna Prem (Dr. Ronald Henry Nixon - 1st known Western Vaishnava to be initiated) & Dr. Alexander (Anand Bhikku) who was also from England, was retiring too early and not doing their sadhana properly. As you said, this was said to be the cause of the tears from the Murti. The author also said that some of those in India treated them badly, as they did not recognize the spiritual greatness of the 2 Englishman at the time.Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu wrote: Dear Friends, Without a doubt The Himalayas are the crowning glory of India's spiritual heritage. Deep into the Himalayas, there is temple dedicated to Bhagavan Sri. Krishna. The renunciates who reside in this ashrama aptly coined Uttar-Vrindavana, are under the constant guidance of the lord. At the Heart of the ashrama, there is placed a rare live statue, which starts weeping if a aspirant is not performing his sadhana sincerely!!!! At first this flummoxed the sadhus, one of them a Cambridge professor thought there a water spring, at the base of the statue. In their excitement, they uprooted the statue & to their surprise found no source of water. All of them were aghast & realised they had committed a grave mistake, Suddenly the voice of their deceased master enveloped the woods & chided them for their foolishness. She told them, that the Lord personally was monitoring everyone's sadhana & was unhappy at the progress of some candidates. As per instruction the statue was dilligently repaired by the loving aspirants. Even now the statue weeps!!!, if a candidate is breaching the celestial protocol. Amongst the sincere Himalayan cubs it is known as the "Test Statue". Yogi Sri Krishna Prem, the Cambridge Scholar passed the school with a Summa Cum Laude, way back in the1940's. With Warm Regards, from a rascal Abhishek Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online. Click here. Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Weeping and unhappiness are NOT the nature of Krishna, Who is Atmaram. It does not exist in Brahman. It is human emotional nonsense to place such faults on Him. And it makes Hinduism sound absurd. Consider, if Bhagavan is some guy that cries because he's not worshipped!?? What kind of god is that? Please... Y/s, Richard sacred-objects , Janardana Dasa <lightdweller wrote: > > Swami Rama (author of i.e. " Living with the Himalayan Masters " ) has also told this story in that book. He has also told that Sri Krishna Prem (Dr. Ronald Henry Nixon - 1st known Western Vaishnava to be initiated) & Dr. Alexander (Anand Bhikku) who was also from England, was retiring too early and not doing their sadhana properly. As you said, this was said to be the cause of the tears from the Murti. The author also said that some of those in India treated them badly, as they did not recognize the spiritual greatness of the 2 Englishman at the time. > > Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu wrote: Dear Friends, > > Without a doubt The Himalayas are the crowning glory of India's spiritual heritage. Deep into the Himalayas, there is temple dedicated to Bhagavan Sri. Krishna. > > The renunciates who reside in this ashrama aptly coined Uttar-Vrindavana, are under the constant guidance of the lord. At the Heart of the ashrama, there is placed a rare live statue, which starts weeping if a aspirant is not performing his sadhana sincerely!!!! > > At first this flummoxed the sadhus, one of them a Cambridge professor thought there a water spring, at the base of the statue. In their excitement, they uprooted the statue & to their surprise found no source of water. > > All of them were aghast & realised they had committed a grave mistake, Suddenly the voice of their deceased master enveloped the woods & chided them for their foolishness. She told them, that the Lord personally was monitoring everyone's sadhana & was unhappy at the progress of some candidates. > > As per instruction the statue was dilligently repaired by the loving aspirants. Even now the statue weeps!!!, if a candidate is breaching the celestial protocol. Amongst the sincere Himalayan cubs it is known as the " Test Statue " . > > Yogi Sri Krishna Prem, the Cambridge Scholar passed the school with a Summa Cum Laude, way back in the1940's. > > With Warm Regards, > from a rascal > > Abhishek > > > Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online. Click here. > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 EXAMPLE: For over 1,000 years Mecca has not moved, not before nor after nor during the life of Guru Nanak. Yet I was told by late Mayor of Amritsar, a Hindu, that some Muslims moved the sleeping Guru Nanak so his feet would not face toward Mecca. But, lo and behold, Mecca also moved to follow the feet of the Guru. In fact Mecca has NEVER moved. So that story is complete nonsense. Y/s, R- sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw-Brown " <rsbj66 wrote: > > Weeping and unhappiness are NOT the nature of Krishna, Who is Atmaram. It does not exist in Brahman. It is human emotional nonsense to place such faults on Him. And it makes Hinduism sound absurd. Consider, if Bhagavan is some guy that cries because he's not worshipped!?? What kind of god is that? Please... Y/s, Richard > > sacred-objects , Janardana Dasa <lightdweller@> wrote: > > > > Swami Rama (author of i.e. " Living with the Himalayan Masters " ) has also told this story > in that book. He has also told that Sri Krishna Prem (Dr. Ronald Henry Nixon - 1st known > Western Vaishnava to be initiated) & Dr. Alexander (Anand Bhikku) who was also from > England, was retiring too early and not doing their sadhana properly. As you said, this was > said to be the cause of the tears from the Murti. The author also said that some of those > in India treated them badly, as they did not recognize the spiritual greatness of the 2 > Englishman at the time. > > > > Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu@> wrote: Dear Friends, > > > > Without a doubt The Himalayas are the crowning glory of India's spiritual heritage. > Deep into the Himalayas, there is temple dedicated to Bhagavan Sri. Krishna. > > > > The renunciates who reside in this ashrama aptly coined Uttar-Vrindavana, are under > the constant guidance of the lord. At the Heart of the ashrama, there is placed a rare live > statue, which starts weeping if a aspirant is not performing his sadhana sincerely!!!! > > > > At first this flummoxed the sadhus, one of them a Cambridge professor thought there > a water spring, at the base of the statue. In their excitement, they uprooted the statue & to > their surprise found no source of water. > > > > All of them were aghast & realised they had committed a grave mistake, Suddenly the > voice of their deceased master enveloped the woods & chided them for their foolishness. > She told them, that the Lord personally was monitoring everyone's sadhana & was unhappy > at the progress of some candidates. > > > > As per instruction the statue was dilligently repaired by the loving aspirants. Even now > the statue weeps!!!, if a candidate is breaching the celestial protocol. Amongst the sincere > Himalayan cubs it is known as the " Test Statue " . > > > > Yogi Sri Krishna Prem, the Cambridge Scholar passed the school with a Summa Cum > Laude, way back in the1940's. > > > > With Warm Regards, > > from a rascal > > > > Abhishek > > > > > > Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online. Click here. > > > > > > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Dear Sri Richard Ji, I can't split hairs with you over this well known story that i didn't witness myself. All I can say is: Who can quantify or say what Sri Krishna isn't, Can't do, won't do, or is not capable of doing? Let us not try to be so judgmental by trying to quantify him with our miniscule understanding. By our doing so and casting aspersions on devotees and their stories because they may not suit OUR TASTE & MOOD, we are actually committing a type of aparadha that is dangerous for our devotion. As intelligent and astute as you are i am sure you know alot about this subject. So, let us be more broad minded and open in these matters. Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66 wrote: EXAMPLE: For over 1,000 years Mecca has not moved, not before nor after nor during the life of Guru Nanak. Yet I was told by late Mayor of Amritsar, a Hindu, that some Muslims moved the sleeping Guru Nanak so his feet would not face toward Mecca. But, lo and behold, Mecca also moved to follow the feet of the Guru. In fact Mecca has NEVER moved. So that story is complete nonsense. Y/s, R-sacred-objects , "Richard Shaw-Brown" <rsbj66 wrote:>> Weeping and unhappiness are NOT the nature of Krishna, Who is Atmaram. It does not exist in Brahman. It is human emotional nonsense to place such faults on Him. And it makes Hinduism sound absurd. Consider, if Bhagavan is some guy that cries because he's not worshipped!?? What kind of god is that? Please... Y/s, Richard> > sacred-objects , Janardana Dasa <lightdweller@> wrote:> >> > Swami Rama (author of i.e."Living with the Himalayan Masters") has also told this story> in that book. He has also told that Sri Krishna Prem (Dr. Ronald Henry Nixon - 1st known> Western Vaishnava to be initiated) & Dr. Alexander (Anand Bhikku) who was also from> England, was retiring too early and not doing their sadhana properly. As you said, this was> said to be the cause of the tears from the Murti. The author also said that some of those> in India treated them badly, as they did not recognize the spiritual greatness of the 2> Englishman at the time.> >> > Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu@> wrote: Dear Friends,> >> > Without a doubt The Himalayas are the crowning glory of India's spiritual heritage.> Deep into the Himalayas, there is temple dedicated to Bhagavan Sri. Krishna.> >> > The renunciates who reside in this ashrama aptly coined Uttar-Vrindavana, are under> the constant guidance of the lord. At the Heart of the ashrama, there is placed a rare live> statue, which starts weeping if a aspirant is not performing his sadhana sincerely!!!!> >> > At first this flummoxed the sadhus, one of them a Cambridge professor thought there> a water spring, at the base of the statue. In their excitement, they uprooted the statue & to> their surprise found no source of water.> >> > All of them were aghast & realised they had committed a grave mistake, Suddenly the> voice of their deceased master enveloped the woods & chided them for their foolishness.> She told them, that the Lord personally was monitoring everyone's sadhana & was unhappy> at the progress of some candidates.> >> > As per instruction the statue was dilligently repaired by the loving aspirants. Even now> the statue weeps!!!, if a candidate is breaching the celestial protocol. Amongst the sincere> Himalayan cubs it is known as the "Test Statue".> >> > Yogi Sri Krishna Prem, the Cambridge Scholar passed the school with a Summa Cum> Laude, way back in the1940's.> >> > With Warm Regards,> > from a rascal> >> > Abhishek> >> > > > Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online. > >> >> >> >> > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> >> Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Sriman, Jesus walked on top of water. Can you deny his ability to do that? Peter Sellers also did that - I saw a film of it (Being There). Would you deny God the ability to make Peter Sellers walk on water? Would you deny God the ability to BE Peter SEllers? In that case it is reasonable to say that Peter Sellers is God! Or if ANYTHING is possible then we can say any bloody thing, and who dare deny? Correct? Y/s, Richard sacred-objects , Janardana Dasa <lightdweller wrote: > > Dear Sri Richard Ji, > > I can't split hairs with you over this well known story that i didn't witness myself. All I can say is: Who can quantify or say what Sri Krishna isn't, Can't do, won't do, or is not capable of doing? Let us not try to be so judgmental by trying to quantify him with our miniscule understanding. By our doing so and casting aspersions on devotees and their stories because they may not suit OUR TASTE & MOOD, we are actually committing a type of aparadha that is dangerous for our devotion. As intelligent and astute as you are i am sure you know alot about this subject. So, let us be more broad minded and open in these matters. > > Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66 wrote: > EXAMPLE: For over 1,000 years Mecca has not moved, not before nor after nor during the life of Guru Nanak. Yet I was told by late Mayor of Amritsar, a Hindu, that some Muslims moved the sleeping Guru Nanak so his feet would not face toward Mecca. But, lo and behold, Mecca also moved to follow the feet of the Guru. In fact Mecca has NEVER moved. So that story is complete nonsense. Y/s, R- > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw-Brown " <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > Weeping and unhappiness are NOT the nature of Krishna, Who is Atmaram. It does not > exist in Brahman. It is human emotional nonsense to place such faults on Him. And it > makes Hinduism sound absurd. Consider, if Bhagavan is some guy that cries because he's > not worshipped!?? What kind of god is that? Please... Y/s, Richard > > > > sacred-objects , Janardana Dasa <lightdweller@> wrote: > > > > > > Swami Rama (author of i.e. " Living with the Himalayan Masters " ) has also told this story > > in that book. He has also told that Sri Krishna Prem (Dr. Ronald Henry Nixon - 1st > known > > Western Vaishnava to be initiated) & Dr. Alexander (Anand Bhikku) who was also from > > England, was retiring too early and not doing their sadhana properly. As you said, this > was > > said to be the cause of the tears from the Murti. The author also said that some of > those > > in India treated them badly, as they did not recognize the spiritual greatness of the 2 > > Englishman at the time. > > > > > > Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu@> wrote: Dear Friends, > > > > > > Without a doubt The Himalayas are the crowning glory of India's spiritual heritage. > > Deep into the Himalayas, there is temple dedicated to Bhagavan Sri. Krishna. > > > > > > The renunciates who reside in this ashrama aptly coined Uttar-Vrindavana, are under > > the constant guidance of the lord. At the Heart of the ashrama, there is placed a rare live > > statue, which starts weeping if a aspirant is not performing his sadhana sincerely!!!! > > > > > > At first this flummoxed the sadhus, one of them a Cambridge professor thought > there > > a water spring, at the base of the statue. In their excitement, they uprooted the statue & > to > > their surprise found no source of water. > > > > > > All of them were aghast & realised they had committed a grave mistake, Suddenly > the > > voice of their deceased master enveloped the woods & chided them for their > foolishness. > > She told them, that the Lord personally was monitoring everyone's sadhana & was > unhappy > > at the progress of some candidates. > > > > > > As per instruction the statue was dilligently repaired by the loving aspirants. Even > now > > the statue weeps!!!, if a candidate is breaching the celestial protocol. Amongst the > sincere > > Himalayan cubs it is known as the " Test Statue " . > > > > > > Yogi Sri Krishna Prem, the Cambridge Scholar passed the school with a Summa Cum > > Laude, way back in the1940's. > > > > > > With Warm Regards, > > > from a rascal > > > > > > Abhishek > > > > > > > > > Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online. Click here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Namaste Jee. Point well taken. What you are saying is: The line has to be drawn somewhere, and you can't accept everything as true. What to accept and what to reject? BUT, THIS particular widespread story in my mind rings true, as the nature and character of the Mahatmas involved can't be questioned. Sri Krishna Prem and Manika Chaudhury (later know as Sri Yashoda Ma) were Krishna Bhakts par excellance. And it may be of particular interest to YOU (Since you are from Gaudiya line) to know that those 2 have a special link with the Gaudiya line which occurred one day during a fateful visit at Vrindavana's famous RadhaRaman Temple wherein both took initiation from a famous Goswami priest there. http://www.vnn.org/editorials/ET9910/ET17-4959.htmlThis gave both a link to Chaitanya Sampraday. This event was later seen as foreordained to lend more credibility to these saints who were before this time just pretty much to themselves. It was probably foreseen that their spiritual lineage or parampara would probably be brought into question by people in the future, just as some are now questioning the validity of the well known story we are talking about. Thus, Sri Krishna as always, has again personally seen to it himself that the honor and credibility of his bhakts are preserved. That is my take on it. IRichard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66 wrote: Sriman, Jesus walked on top of water. Can you deny his ability to do that? Peter Sellers also did that - I saw a film of it (Being There). Would you deny God the ability to make Peter Sellers walk on water? Would you deny God the ability to BE Peter SEllers? In that case it is reasonable to say that Peter Sellers is God! Or if ANYTHING is possible then we can say any bloody thing, and who dare deny? Correct? Y/s, Richardsacred-objects , Janardana Dasa <lightdweller wrote:>> Dear Sri Richard Ji,> > I can't split hairs with you over this well known story that i didn't witness myself. All I can say is: Who can quantify or say what Sri Krishna isn't, Can't do, won't do, or is not capable of doing? Let us not try to be so judgmental by trying to quantify him with our miniscule understanding. By our doing so and casting aspersions on devotees and their stories because they may not suit OUR TASTE & MOOD, we are actually committing a type of aparadha that is dangerous for our devotion. As intelligent and astute as you are i am sure you know alot about this subject. So, let us be more broad minded and open in these matters. > > Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66 wrote:> EXAMPLE: For over 1,000 years Mecca has not moved, not before nor after nor during the life of Guru Nanak. Yet I was told by late Mayor of Amritsar, a Hindu, that some Muslims moved the sleeping Guru Nanak so his feet would not face toward Mecca. But, lo and behold, Mecca also moved to follow the feet of the Guru. In fact Mecca has NEVER moved. So that story is complete nonsense. Y/s, R-> > sacred-objects , "Richard Shaw-Brown" <rsbj66@> wrote:> >> > Weeping and unhappiness are NOT the nature of Krishna, Who is Atmaram. It does not > exist in Brahman. It is human emotional nonsense to place such faults on Him. And it > makes Hinduism sound absurd. Consider, if Bhagavan is some guy that cries because he's > not worshipped!?? What kind of god is that? Please... Y/s, Richard> > > > sacred-objects , Janardana Dasa <lightdweller@> wrote:> > >> > > Swami Rama (author of i.e."Living with the Himalayan Masters") has also told this story> > in that book. He has also told that Sri Krishna Prem (Dr. Ronald Henry Nixon - 1st > known> > Western Vaishnava to be initiated) & Dr. Alexander (Anand Bhikku) who was also from> > England, was retiring too early and not doing their sadhana properly. As you said, this > was> > said to be the cause of the tears from the Murti. The author also said that some of > those> > in India treated them badly, as they did not recognize the spiritual greatness of the 2> > Englishman at the time.> > >> > > Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu@> wrote: Dear Friends,> > >> > > Without a doubt The Himalayas are the crowning glory of India's spiritual heritage.> > Deep into the Himalayas, there is temple dedicated to Bhagavan Sri. Krishna.> > >> > > The renunciates who reside in this ashrama aptly coined Uttar-Vrindavana, are under> > the constant guidance of the lord. At the Heart of the ashrama, there is placed a rare live> > statue, which starts weeping if a aspirant is not performing his sadhana sincerely!!!!> > >> > > At first this flummoxed the sadhus, one of them a Cambridge professor thought > there> > a water spring, at the base of the statue. In their excitement, they uprooted the statue & > to> > their surprise found no source of water.> > >> > > All of them were aghast & realised they had committed a grave mistake, Suddenly > the> > voice of their deceased master enveloped the woods & chided them for their > foolishness.> > She told them, that the Lord personally was monitoring everyone's sadhana & was > unhappy> > at the progress of some candidates.> > >> > > As per instruction the statue was dilligently repaired by the loving aspirants. Even > now> > the statue weeps!!!, if a candidate is breaching the celestial protocol. Amongst the > sincere> > Himalayan cubs it is known as the "Test Statue".> > >> > > Yogi Sri Krishna Prem, the Cambridge Scholar passed the school with a Summa Cum> > Laude, way back in the1940's.> > >> > > With Warm Regards,> > > from a rascal> > >> > > Abhishek> > >> > > > > > Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online. > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> > >> >> > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 If I may interject sir, the Guru Nanak Mecca episode goes like, The Qazi; "Why are you resting, with your feet pointed at Kaaba, This is a disrespect to Allah." to this Sri Nanak Replied; Mate; "Tell me a direction which Allah does not inhabit." The Qazi saw reason, & politely left. Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66 wrote: EXAMPLE: For over 1,000 years Mecca has not moved, not before nor after nor during the life of Guru Nanak. Yet I was told by late Mayor of Amritsar, a Hindu, that some Muslims moved the sleeping Guru Nanak so his feet would not face toward Mecca. But, lo and behold, Mecca also moved to follow the feet of the Guru. In fact Mecca has NEVER moved. So that story is complete nonsense. Y/s, R-sacred-objects , "Richard Shaw-Brown" <rsbj66 wrote:>> Weeping and unhappiness are NOT the nature of Krishna, Who is Atmaram. It does not exist in Brahman. It is human emotional nonsense to place such faults on Him. And it makes Hinduism sound absurd. Consider, if Bhagavan is some guy that cries because he's not worshipped!?? What kind of god is that? Please... Y/s, Richard> > sacred-objects , Janardana Dasa <lightdweller@> wrote:> >> > Swami Rama (author of i.e."Living with the Himalayan Masters") has also told this story> in that book. He has also told that Sri Krishna Prem (Dr. Ronald Henry Nixon - 1st known> Western Vaishnava to be initiated) & Dr. Alexander (Anand Bhikku) who was also from> England, was retiring too early and not doing their sadhana properly. As you said, this was> said to be the cause of the tears from the Murti. The author also said that some of those> in India treated them badly, as they did not recognize the spiritual greatness of the 2> Englishman at the time.> >> > Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu@> wrote: Dear Friends,> >> > Without a doubt The Himalayas are the crowning glory of India's spiritual heritage.> Deep into the Himalayas, there is temple dedicated to Bhagavan Sri. Krishna.> >> > The renunciates who reside in this ashrama aptly coined Uttar-Vrindavana, are under> the constant guidance of the lord. At the Heart of the ashrama, there is placed a rare live> statue, which starts weeping if a aspirant is not performing his sadhana sincerely!!!!> >> > At first this flummoxed the sadhus, one of them a Cambridge professor thought there> a water spring, at the base of the statue. In their excitement, they uprooted the statue & to> their surprise found no source of water.> >> > All of them were aghast & realised they had committed a grave mistake, Suddenly the> voice of their deceased master enveloped the woods & chided them for their foolishness.> She told them, that the Lord personally was monitoring everyone's sadhana & was unhappy> at the progress of some candidates.> >> > As per instruction the statue was dilligently repaired by the loving aspirants. Even now> the statue weeps!!!, if a candidate is breaching the celestial protocol. Amongst the sincere> Himalayan cubs it is known as the "Test Statue".> >> > Yogi Sri Krishna Prem, the Cambridge Scholar passed the school with a Summa Cum> Laude, way back in the1940's.> >> > With Warm Regards,> > from a rascal> >> > Abhishek> >> > > > Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online. > >> >> >> >> > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> >> Save all your chat conversations. Find them online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Dear Abhi, I heard the story from late Durga Das Bhatia, then Mayor of Amritsar. It was as he told me, different from your version. So who do I believe? During time of Guru Nanak the Muslims would have killed him for such Koranic blasphamy. Then they were sawing people in half, cutting people to bits, and smashing temples. But you propose that Guru Nanak convinced them that Mecca is where ever his feet are!? He would be killed even today for that statement, what to speak of 500 years ago. Get real! Y/s, Richard sacred-objects , Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu wrote: > > If I may interject sir, the Guru Nanak Mecca episode goes like, > > The Qazi; " Why are you resting, with your feet pointed at Kaaba, This is a disrespect to Allah. " > > to this Sri Nanak Replied; Mate; " Tell me a direction which Allah does not inhabit. " > > The Qazi saw reason, & politely left. > > > > Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66 wrote: > EXAMPLE: For over 1,000 years Mecca has not moved, not before nor after nor during the life of Guru Nanak. Yet I was told by late Mayor of Amritsar, a Hindu, that some Muslims moved the sleeping Guru Nanak so his feet would not face toward Mecca. But, lo and behold, Mecca also moved to follow the feet of the Guru. In fact Mecca has NEVER moved. So that story is complete nonsense. Y/s, R- > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw-Brown " <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > Weeping and unhappiness are NOT the nature of Krishna, Who is Atmaram. It does not > exist in Brahman. It is human emotional nonsense to place such faults on Him. And it > makes Hinduism sound absurd. Consider, if Bhagavan is some guy that cries because he's > not worshipped!?? What kind of god is that? Please... Y/s, Richard > > > > sacred-objects , Janardana Dasa <lightdweller@> wrote: > > > > > > Swami Rama (author of i.e. " Living with the Himalayan Masters " ) has also told this story > > in that book. He has also told that Sri Krishna Prem (Dr. Ronald Henry Nixon - 1st > known > > Western Vaishnava to be initiated) & Dr. Alexander (Anand Bhikku) who was also from > > England, was retiring too early and not doing their sadhana properly. As you said, this > was > > said to be the cause of the tears from the Murti. The author also said that some of > those > > in India treated them badly, as they did not recognize the spiritual greatness of the 2 > > Englishman at the time. > > > > > > Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu@> wrote: Dear Friends, > > > > > > Without a doubt The Himalayas are the crowning glory of India's spiritual heritage. > > Deep into the Himalayas, there is temple dedicated to Bhagavan Sri. Krishna. > > > > > > The renunciates who reside in this ashrama aptly coined Uttar-Vrindavana, are under > > the constant guidance of the lord. At the Heart of the ashrama, there is placed a rare live > > statue, which starts weeping if a aspirant is not performing his sadhana sincerely!!!! > > > > > > At first this flummoxed the sadhus, one of them a Cambridge professor thought > there > > a water spring, at the base of the statue. In their excitement, they uprooted the statue & > to > > their surprise found no source of water. > > > > > > All of them were aghast & realised they had committed a grave mistake, Suddenly > the > > voice of their deceased master enveloped the woods & chided them for their > foolishness. > > She told them, that the Lord personally was monitoring everyone's sadhana & was > unhappy > > at the progress of some candidates. > > > > > > As per instruction the statue was dilligently repaired by the loving aspirants. Even > now > > the statue weeps!!!, if a candidate is breaching the celestial protocol. Amongst the > sincere > > Himalayan cubs it is known as the " Test Statue " . > > > > > > Yogi Sri Krishna Prem, the Cambridge Scholar passed the school with a Summa Cum > > Laude, way back in the1940's. > > > > > > With Warm Regards, > > > from a rascal > > > > > > Abhishek > > > > > > > > > Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online. Click here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > Save all your chat conversations. Find them online. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Hello Abhishek, Where exactly is Uttarra-Vrindavan? Please advise. best regards, JayAbhishek Dutta <benarsibabu wrote: Dear Friends, Without a doubt The Himalayas are the crowning glory of India's spiritual heritage. Deep into the Himalayas, there is temple dedicated to Bhagavan Sri. Krishna. The renunciates who reside in this ashrama aptly coined Uttar-Vrindavana, are under the constant guidance of the lord. At the Heart of the ashrama, there is placed a rare live statue, which starts weeping if a aspirant is not performing his sadhana sincerely!!!! At first this flummoxed the sadhus, one of them a Cambridge professor thought there a water spring, at the base of the statue. In their excitement, they uprooted the statue & to their surprise found no source of water. All of them were aghast & realised they had committed a grave mistake, Suddenly the voice of their deceased master enveloped the woods & chided them for their foolishness. She told them, that the Lord personally was monitoring everyone's sadhana & was unhappy at the progress of some candidates. As per instruction the statue was dilligently repaired by the loving aspirants. Even now the statue weeps!!!, if a candidate is breaching the celestial protocol. Amongst the sincere Himalayan cubs it is known as the "Test Statue". Yogi Sri Krishna Prem, the Cambridge Scholar passed the school with a Summa Cum Laude, way back in the1940's. With Warm Regards, from a rascal Abhishek Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 There is a quote by Lord Chaitanya about Vrindavan: " aner hridaya man mor man Vrindavan, mane vane ek kori jani. " --- " Others hearts are their minds, but my mind is Vrindavan, because I know my mind and Vrindavan to be one. " Best wishes, Richard sacred-objects , Jay Munshi <jaymunshi wrote: > > Hello Abhishek, > > Where exactly is Uttarra-Vrindavan? Please advise. > > best regards, > > Jay > > Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu wrote: > Dear Friends, > > Without a doubt The Himalayas are the crowning glory of India's spiritual heritage. Deep into the Himalayas, there is temple dedicated to Bhagavan Sri. Krishna. > > The renunciates who reside in this ashrama aptly coined Uttar-Vrindavana, are under the constant guidance of the lord. At the Heart of the ashrama, there is placed a rare live statue, which starts weeping if a aspirant is not performing his sadhana sincerely!!!! > > At first this flummoxed the sadhus, one of them a Cambridge professor thought there a water spring, at the base of the statue. In their excitement, they uprooted the statue & to their surprise found no source of water. > > All of them were aghast & realised they had committed a grave mistake, Suddenly the voice of their deceased master enveloped the woods & chided them for their foolishness. She told them, that the Lord personally was monitoring everyone's sadhana & was unhappy at the progress of some candidates. > > As per instruction the statue was dilligently repaired by the loving aspirants. Even now the statue weeps!!!, if a candidate is breaching the celestial protocol. Amongst the sincere Himalayan cubs it is known as the " Test Statue " . > > Yogi Sri Krishna Prem, the Cambridge Scholar passed the school with a Summa Cum Laude, way back in the1940's. > > With Warm Regards, > from a rascal > > Abhishek > > > Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online. Click here. > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Beautiful Best, JayRichard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66 wrote: There is a quote by Lord Chaitanya about Vrindavan: "aner hridaya man mor man Vrindavan, mane vane ek kori jani." --- "Others hearts are their minds, but my mind is Vrindavan, because I know my mind and Vrindavan to be one."Best wishes,Richardsacred-objects , Jay Munshi <jaymunshi wrote:>> Hello Abhishek,> > Where exactly is Uttarra-Vrindavan? Please advise.> > best regards,> > Jay> > Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu wrote:> Dear Friends,> > Without a doubt The Himalayas are the crowning glory of India's spiritual heritage. Deep into the Himalayas, there is temple dedicated to Bhagavan Sri. Krishna.> > The renunciates who reside in this ashrama aptly coined Uttar-Vrindavana, are under the constant guidance of the lord. At the Heart of the ashrama, there is placed a rare live statue, which starts weeping if a aspirant is not performing his sadhana sincerely!!!!> > At first this flummoxed the sadhus, one of them a Cambridge professor thought there a water spring, at the base of the statue. In their excitement, they uprooted the statue & to their surprise found no source of water.> > All of them were aghast & realised they had committed a grave mistake, Suddenly the voice of their deceased master enveloped the woods & chided them for their foolishness. She told them, that the Lord personally was monitoring everyone's sadhana & was unhappy at the progress of some candidates.> > As per instruction the statue was dilligently repaired by the loving aspirants. Even now the statue weeps!!!, if a candidate is breaching the celestial protocol. Amongst the sincere Himalayan cubs it is known as the "Test Statue".> > Yogi Sri Krishna Prem, the Cambridge Scholar passed the school with a Summa Cum Laude, way back in the1940's.> > With Warm Regards,> from a rascal> > Abhishek > > > Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online. > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 A tapori sher from college days: Qazi Masjid mien sharab peene de, Warna Woh Jagah bata de Jahan Khuda na ho! Best, JayAbhishek Dutta <benarsibabu wrote: If I may interject sir, the Guru Nanak Mecca episode goes like, The Qazi; "Why are you resting, with your feet pointed at Kaaba, This is a disrespect to Allah." to this Sri Nanak Replied; Mate; "Tell me a direction which Allah does not inhabit." The Qazi saw reason, & politely left. Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66 > wrote: EXAMPLE: For over 1,000 years Mecca has not moved, not before nor after nor during the life of Guru Nanak. Yet I was told by late Mayor of Amritsar, a Hindu, that some Muslims moved the sleeping Guru Nanak so his feet would not face toward Mecca. But, lo and behold, Mecca also moved to follow the feet of the Guru. In fact Mecca has NEVER moved. So that story is complete nonsense. Y/s, R-sacred-objects , "Richard Shaw-Brown" <rsbj66 wrote:>> Weeping and unhappiness are NOT the nature of Krishna, Who is Atmaram. It does not exist in Brahman. It is human emotional nonsense to place such faults on Him. And it makes Hinduism sound absurd. Consider, if Bhagavan is some guy that cries because he's not worshipped!?? What kind of god is that? Please... Y/s, Richard> > sacred-objects , Janardana Dasa <lightdweller@> wrote:> >> > Swami Rama (author of i.e."Living with the Himalayan Masters") has also told this story> in that book. He has also told that Sri Krishna Prem (Dr. Ronald Henry Nixon - 1st known> Western Vaishnava to be initiated) & Dr. Alexander (Anand Bhikku) who was also from> England, was retiring too early and not doing their sadhana properly. As you said, this was> said to be the cause of the tears from the Murti. The author also said that some of those> in India treated them badly, as they did not recognize the spiritual greatness of the 2> Englishman at the time.> >> > Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu@> wrote: Dear Friends,> >> > Without a doubt The Himalayas are the crowning glory of India's spiritual heritage.> Deep into the Himalayas, there is temple dedicated to Bhagavan Sri. Krishna.> >> > The renunciates who reside in this ashrama aptly coined Uttar-Vrindavana, are under> the constant guidance of the lord. At the Heart of the ashrama, there is placed a rare live> statue, which starts weeping if a aspirant is not performing his sadhana sincerely!!!!> >> > At first this flummoxed the sadhus, one of them a Cambridge professor thought there> a water spring, at the base of the statue. In their excitement, they uprooted the statue & to> their surprise found no source of water.> >> > All of them were aghast & realised they had committed a grave mistake, Suddenly the> voice of their deceased master enveloped the woods & chided them for their foolishness.> She told them, that the Lord personally was monitoring everyone's sadhana & was unhappy> at the progress of some candidates.> >> > As per instruction the statue was dilligently repaired by the loving aspirants. Even now> the statue weeps!!!, if a candidate is breaching the celestial protocol. Amongst the sincere> Himalayan cubs it is known as the "Test Statue".> >> > Yogi Sri Krishna Prem, the Cambridge Scholar passed the school with a Summa Cum> Laude, way back in the1940's.> >> > With Warm Regards,> > from a rascal> >> > Abhishek> >> > > > Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online. > >> >> >> >> > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> >> Save all your chat conversations. Find them online. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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