What's the CORRECT rasi-chart for Swami Prabhupada??

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Hi Gadai,

 

Years ago, when there was a dispute between the astrologer you mention, Nalini,

and Shyamasundara over Prabhupada's birth time and Lagna, I represented Nalini,

like a lawyer, on the Web and to the GBC. At that time SS had his Astrology

forum and ruled the WWW, while Nalini had never even heard of " email " or " WWW "

until years later. But I'm using email since 1991, and have a web site since

1995. So seeing him so helpless against SS therefore I took his side. As a

result the GBC were stumped and SS had his astrology forum turned off. Kind of

like Nalini " won " the battle that I fought for him.

 

But I'm not so sure any more. I first met the astrologer Nalini in 1979 when he

did my chart using the 1:06 pm birth time in my birth certificate. That made me

Cancer lagna. But he didn't like that. He insisted I MUST be LEO Lagna because

of my position and appearance. So he " adjusted " my birth time to be 1:52 pm

making me Leo Lagna (to suit his whim). Subsequently I spent 18 years using the

WRONG horoscope. In fact my Birth Certificate is correct. The reason I appear

like Leo lagna is because I have Sun in Aries in the 10th house. Later I

contacted him and asked him to redo my horoscope using my REAL birth time, which

has me as Cancer lagna, and moves 3 planets from 8th into 9th house. So THIS is

an example of how an astrologer can be full of BS with they’re fanciful birth

time adjustments... trying to get a chart that suits their " view. "

 

So don't be surprised if Prabhupada was RIGHT about his birth time being 4 pm.

To see Prabhupada we must see his entire life, not just the tail end. Prabhupada

" had a life " before becoming " Prabhupada " and starting preaching. All his

godbrothers had been life-long preachers and sadhus during time of Bhakti

Siddhanta Sarasvati, and then " A C De " was a no body. Because of his not helping

during his whole life and starting to preach so late in life Prabhupada was not

taken seriously by his Godbrothers, who disapproved of his " untrained hippy

gang " mixing men and women. They didn't have a clue what was going on with him.

And they had no prior reason to take him seriously, so they didn't. That made

Prabhupada angry, so he badmouthed his (all senior) godbrothers to hell and

back. And his words being " absolute " were (are) taken seriously and literally by

many of his disciples, who are offensive against other devotees as a result of

this apotheosis tic thinking.

 

So if you are going to say that Prabhupada was WRONG about his birth time, then

you MUST admit that he might be wrong about his godbrothers too: like calling

them black snakes and non-devotees. But if Prabhupada's every word is absolute

gospel then we must accept 4 pm birth time, which gives a chart in line with his

ENTIRE life.

 

All comments are welcome on this topic...

 

Y/s,

R-

 

sacred-objects , David Sherk <gadaidasa wrote:

>

> Jaya Prabhu,

> I accept the conclusion of Nalini Kantha (Tom Hopke) as

presented in his

1988 Book. Quarter hour birth times are always suspect to me as possible

estimates by

the medical personnel. Has anyone calculated the exact time when the ascendant

was

changing from Sagittarius to Capricorn. Another consideration is the ayanamsa.

> Having the Yoga of Surya-Brihaspati in the 9th house seems much more

appropriate

for a MahaBhagavata. One must use common sense.

>

> Bask in the rays of his mercy. Hari Hari Gadai

>

> Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66 wrote: HELP!

What's the CORRECT

rasi-chart for Swami Prabhupada??

>

> Concerning the rasi chart of Tridani Bhikshu Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada,

founder

of the Hare Krishna Movement, there is the question of which house his Saturn is

placed??

This is because that in spite of his stating his birth time to be " 4 PM on

September 1, 1896

in Calcutta, India, " which gives Capricorn Lagna, still, some disciple

astrologers think HDG

was mistaken and MUST have been born at 3:30 PM making his lagna (the required)

Sagg,

and moving 3 planets from 8th house to 9th house.

>

> It is strange that some Swami Prabhupada disciples says that every word

uttered by him

is " absolute " to the point that he is right even when he is wrong!?? Or is that

visa versa?

>

> This is birthtime issue. Capricorn Lagna OR Sagg Lagna?? We have already seen

the

man's entire life, so we should be able to judge based on reality. Any comments

from all

you experts out there on the birth time and correct chart of Swami Prabhupada

based on

these two times? REF. http://www.agt-gems.com/Book/dedication.html

>

> This is a good exercise for all astrologers to consider, because it concerns

a REAL

" Jagad-

> Guru " of Sanatana Dharma and a liberated paramahamsa.

>

> Y/s,

> Richard

 

> Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

>

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with a 4pm birthtime what do we get for the lagna for him by

the way?

 

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,: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

 

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---Capricorn

> with a 4pm birthtime what do we get for the lagna for him by the way?

>

>

>

>

>

> __________

>

> Raja G. Gursahani

> *: 559.474.8576 (Clovis, CA)

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>

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Jaya Prabhuji, Thanks for the very interesting history. For my part, altering the birth time by 46 minutes seems very extreme. That's why I asked the question if anyone had calculated the exact time in 1896 when the sign change occurred. 4:00 sounds like a time a nurse would write down or grandma / midwife would report. Your recorded time of 1:06 is very believable. Being born on an exact quarter hour happens less than 7% of the time statistically. The famous astrologer BV Raman used a different Ayanamsa than the Lahiri commonly used , yet he had an excellent reputation. Another personal experience I've had is a friend whose Asc is within a few minutes of a degree of the cusp.

She's an incredible mixture of the two signs.Over and above these issues , I've never seen the Capricorn Asc chart for Srila Prabhupada. So that would be interesting to see side by side with the Sag chart. In pursuit of the truth GadaiRichard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66 wrote: Hi Gadai, Years ago, when there was a dispute between the astrologer you mention, Nalini, and Shyamasundara over Prabhupada's birth time and Lagna, I represented Nalini, like a lawyer, on the Web and to the GBC. At that time SS had his Astrology forum and ruled the WWW, while Nalini had never even heard of "email" or "WWW" until years later. But I'm using email since 1991, and have a web site since 1995. So seeing him so helpless against SS therefore I took his side. As a result the GBC were stumped and SS had his astrology forum turned off. Kind of like Nalini "won" the battle that I fought for him. But I'm not so sure any more. I first met the astrologer Nalini in 1979 when he did my chart using the 1:06 pm birth time in my birth certificate. That made me Cancer lagna. But he didn't like that. He insisted I MUST be LEO Lagna because of my position and appearance. So he "adjusted" my birth time to be 1:52 pm making me Leo

Lagna (to suit his whim). Subsequently I spent 18 years using the WRONG horoscope. In fact my Birth Certificate is correct. The reason I appear like Leo lagna is because I have Sun in Aries in the 10th house. Later I contacted him and asked him to redo my horoscope using my REAL birth time, which has me as Cancer lagna, and moves 3 planets from 8th into 9th house. So THIS is an example of how an astrologer can be full of BS with they’re fanciful birth time adjustments... trying to get a chart that suits their "view." So don't be surprised if Prabhupada was RIGHT about his birth time being 4 pm. To see Prabhupada we must see his entire life, not just the tail end. Prabhupada "had a life" before becoming "Prabhupada" and starting preaching. All his godbrothers had been life-long preachers and sadhus during time of Bhakti Siddhanta Sarasvati, and then "A C De" was a no body. Because of his not helping during his whole life and starting to preach so late in life

Prabhupada was not taken seriously by his Godbrothers, who disapproved of his "untrained hippy gang" mixing men and women. They didn't have a clue what was going on with him. And they had no prior reason to take him seriously, so they didn't. That made Prabhupada angry, so he badmouthed his (all senior) godbrothers to hell and back. And his words being "absolute" were (are) taken seriously and literally by many of his disciples, who are offensive against other devotees as a result of this apotheosis tic thinking. So if you are going to say that Prabhupada was WRONG about his birth time, then you MUST admit that he might be wrong about his godbrothers too: like calling them black snakes and non-devotees. But if Prabhupada's every word is absolute gospel then we must accept 4 pm birth time, which gives a chart in line with his ENTIRE life. All comments are welcome on this topic... Y/s, R- sacred-objects , David Sherk <gadaidasa wrote: > > Jaya Prabhu, > I accept the conclusion of Nalini Kantha (Tom Hopke) as presented in his 1988 Book. Quarter hour birth times are always suspect to me as possible estimates by the medical personnel. Has anyone calculated the exact time when the ascendant was changing from Sagittarius to Capricorn. Another consideration is the ayanamsa. > Having the Yoga of Surya-Brihaspati in the 9th house seems much more appropriate for a MahaBhagavata. One must use common sense. > > Bask in the rays of his mercy. Hari Hari Gadai > > Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66 wrote: HELP! What's the CORRECT rasi-chart for Swami Prabhupada?? > > Concerning the rasi chart of Tridani

Bhikshu Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, founder of the Hare Krishna Movement, there is the question of which house his Saturn is placed?? This is because that in spite of his stating his birth time to be "4 PM on September 1, 1896 in Calcutta, India," which gives Capricorn Lagna, still, some disciple astrologers think HDG was mistaken and MUST have been born at 3:30 PM making his lagna (the required) Sagg, and moving 3 planets from 8th house to 9th house. > > It is strange that some Swami Prabhupada disciples says that every word uttered by him is "absolute" to the point that he is right even when he is wrong!?? Or is that visa versa? > > This is birthtime issue. Capricorn Lagna OR Sagg Lagna?? We have already seen the man's entire life, so we should be able to judge based on reality. Any comments from all you experts out there on the birth time and correct chart of Swami Prabhupada based on

these two times? REF. http://www.agt-gems.com/Book/dedication.html > > This is a good exercise for all astrologers to consider, because it concerns a REAL "Jagad- > Guru" of Sanatana Dharma and a liberated paramahamsa. > > Y/s, > Richard > > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. >

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so Capricorn. I guess the discussion revolved around whether

he was dhanus lagna correct? it is hard to say. i always thought he was a

dhanus lagna. the reason why is that my 6th house occupies dhanus

and rahu is placed there and during rahu I was attracted to his organization greatly.

I was introduced to it by a wicked widow or woman (rahu).

 

__________

Raja G. Gursahani

 

(: 559.474.8576 (Clovis, CA)

,: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

 

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Dear Gadai,

 

You can see BOTH charts here: http://www.agt-gems.com/Book/dedication.html

 

The real question is DO WE USE COMMON SENSE? OR BLIND FANATICAL FAITH? When

dealing with the words of Srila Prabhupada. I spoke in Bengali and English with

Prabhupada every day for two weeks. I stayed with him in Mayapur... we did

Upadesamrita TOGETHER in 1973. So I know how Prabhupada thinks and reacts and

what he really means. And let me tell you that Prabhupada is very misunderstood.

Hey! Good name for a band! The Misunderstood. Cool!

 

Y/s, Richard

 

sacred-objects , David Sherk <gadaidasa wrote:

>

> Jaya Prabhuji,

> Thanks for the very interesting history. For my

part, altering the birth

time by 46 minutes seems very extreme. That's why I asked the question if anyone

had

calculated the exact time in 1896 when the sign change occurred.

> 4:00 sounds like a time a nurse would write down or grandma / midwife

would

report. Your recorded time of 1:06 is very believable. Being born on an

exact quarter

hour happens less than 7% of the time statistically.

> The famous astrologer BV Raman used a different Ayanamsa than the

Lahiri

commonly used , yet he had an excellent reputation.

> Another personal experience I've had is a friend whose Asc is within a

few minutes

of a degree of the cusp. She's an incredible mixture of the two signs.

>

> Over and above these issues , I've never seen the Capricorn Asc chart for

Srila

Prabhupada. So that would be interesting to see side by side with the Sag chart.

>

> In pursuit of the truth Gadai

>

>

>

> Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66 wrote: Hi Gadai,

>

> Years ago, when there was a dispute between the astrologer you mention,

Nalini, and

Shyamasundara over Prabhupada's birth time and Lagna, I represented Nalini, like

a

lawyer, on the Web and to the GBC. At that time SS had his Astrology forum and

ruled the

WWW, while Nalini had never even heard of " email " or " WWW " until years later.

But I'm

using email since 1991, and have a web site since 1995. So seeing him so

helpless against

SS therefore I took his side. As a result the GBC were stumped and SS had his

astrology

forum turned off. Kind of like Nalini " won " the battle that I fought for him.

>

> But I'm not so sure any more. I first met the astrologer Nalini in 1979 when

he did my

chart using the 1:06 pm birth time in my birth certificate. That made me Cancer

lagna. But

he didn't like that. He insisted I MUST be LEO Lagna because of my position and

appearance. So he " adjusted " my birth time to be 1:52 pm making me Leo Lagna (to

suit

his whim). Subsequently I spent 18 years using the WRONG horoscope. In fact my

Birth

Certificate is correct. The reason I appear like Leo lagna is because I have Sun

in Aries in

the 10th house. Later I contacted him and asked him to redo my horoscope using

my REAL

birth time, which has me as Cancer lagna, and moves 3 planets from 8th into 9th

house.

So THIS is an example of how an astrologer can be full of BS with they're

fanciful birth

time adjustments... trying to get a chart that suits their " view. "

>

> So don't be surprised if Prabhupada was RIGHT about his birth time being 4

pm. To see

Prabhupada we must see his entire life, not just the tail end. Prabhupada " had a

life "

before becoming " Prabhupada " and starting preaching. All his godbrothers had

been life-

long preachers and sadhus during time of Bhakti Siddhanta Sarasvati, and then " A

C De "

was a no body. Because of his not helping during his whole life and starting to

preach so

late in life Prabhupada was not taken seriously by his Godbrothers, who

disapproved of his

" untrained hippy gang " mixing men and women. They didn't have a clue what was

going

on with him. And they had no prior reason to take him seriously, so they didn't.

That made

Prabhupada angry, so he badmouthed his (all senior) godbrothers to hell and

back. And

his words being " absolute " were (are) taken seriously and literally by many of

his disciples,

who are offensive against other devotees as a result of this apotheosis tic

thinking.

>

> So if you are going to say that Prabhupada was WRONG about his birth time,

then you

MUST admit that he might be wrong about his godbrothers too: like calling them

black

snakes and non-devotees. But if Prabhupada's every word is absolute gospel then

we must

accept 4 pm birth time, which gives a chart in line with his ENTIRE life.

>

> All comments are welcome on this topic...

>

> Y/s,

> R-

>

> sacred-objects , David Sherk <gadaidasa@> wrote:

> >

> > Jaya Prabhu,

> > I accept the conclusion of Nalini Kantha (Tom Hopke)

as presented in

his

> 1988 Book. Quarter hour birth times are always suspect to me as possible

estimates by

> the medical personnel. Has anyone calculated the exact time when the

ascendant was

> changing from Sagittarius to Capricorn. Another consideration is the

ayanamsa.

> > Having the Yoga of Surya-Brihaspati in the 9th house seems much more

appropriate

> for a MahaBhagavata. One must use common sense.

> >

> > Bask in the rays of his mercy. Hari Hari Gadai

> >

> > Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66@> wrote: HELP!

What's the

CORRECT

> rasi-chart for Swami Prabhupada??

> >

> > Concerning the rasi chart of Tridani Bhikshu Bhaktivedanta Swami

Prabhupada,

founder

> of the Hare Krishna Movement, there is the question of which house his Saturn

is

placed??

> This is because that in spite of his stating his birth time to be " 4 PM on

September 1,

1896

> in Calcutta, India, " which gives Capricorn Lagna, still, some disciple

astrologers think

HDG

> was mistaken and MUST have been born at 3:30 PM making his lagna (the

required)

Sagg,

> and moving 3 planets from 8th house to 9th house.

> >

> > It is strange that some Swami Prabhupada disciples says that every word

uttered by

him

> is " absolute " to the point that he is right even when he is wrong!?? Or is

that visa versa?

> >

> > This is birthtime issue. Capricorn Lagna OR Sagg Lagna?? We have already

seen the

> man's entire life, so we should be able to judge based on reality. Any

comments from

all

> you experts out there on the birth time and correct chart of Swami Prabhupada

based

on

> these two times? REF. http://www.agt-gems.com/Book/dedication.html

> >

> > This is a good exercise for all astrologers to consider, because it

concerns a REAL

> " Jagad-

> > Guru " of Sanatana Dharma and a liberated paramahamsa.

> >

> > Y/s,

> > Richard

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

> >

 

> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it

now.

>