Elephant Pearls of Sri Lanka is this Real Naga Mani? photo included

November 18, 2007

Friends !!!!

Check out this Australian Gemologist e International Pearling Journal

assesment of Elephant Pearls....

Same as those offered by recent forum email with beautiful fotos...

http://www.pearls.com/news2/pp22/elephant.pdf

Best Regards

sacred-objects , " bala_songyi "

<bala_songyi wrote:

>

> There a number of places in Batam Island, (Near Singapore ) and

> central Java near JogJakarta and Cheribun, which manufacture

> Musitakas as seen in the 2 websites as referred by other members in

> this thread.....

>

> How are they made ?

>

> Usuall A cast iron tune of 7-8 inches or cast iron tubs of 12-16

> inches are filled with tungsten metal granules and dust (discarded

> scraps from oil drilling industry)into these tubes or tubes

depending

> on ball shape required or egg shapped required.

>

> The mineral fossils or mineral rocks are put into these tupes or

tubs

> and tumbled by agitation on an agitator machine.

> The agitator machines are about 12 feet to 12 feet wide and these

> tubes or tubs are loaded on the agitator. An agitator machine is

like

> those Rice amd Husk Sieve machines in Indian Rice mills or Thai

Rice

> mills, except there is no gale force Fans blowing away the lighter

> husks.

>

> In case of a coconut pearl, these are made from Marine Coconut

snail

> shell which has a thick shell of 3 - 5 inches thick shell, (common

in

> the seas of east java and east sumatra Indian ocean coastlines.

> When right size is obtained, these pearls are carved with lines and

a

> bun like hump on one side which is smaller and lightly agitated

again

> to remove human workings on it.

>

> When finalized, the shell tumbled pearls are boiled in coconut milk

> (as used in curry) but with all the coconut gratings, for few days.

>

> The strong smell of coconut willl linger for months from the

coconut

> pearls and when soaked into hot water will emit the coconut milk

> fragances. This is how the challenged test is done.

>

> The real piece of coconut pearl is a harden piece of mixed coconut

> butters with a oval elongated shape that give a smell of fresh

> coconut oil tin opened for years and years. For example the piece

> displayed in Brunei istana museum, decorated with gold and diamonds

>

> Bamboo pearls are like small pieces of white milky hailstones and

> called Bamboo Salt in Harbin (northern china), in fact they are

salt

> crystals and this bamboo is grown and harvested for its salts...

>

> Hope this info is useful

>

> sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw-Brown "

> <rsbj66@> wrote:

> >

> > Like the " limbo dance " - how LOW can you GO! They have

MANY " Cloud

> Pearls " - but if you test with a lab and prove " artifical glass "

then

> what is their refund policy?

> >

> > sacred-objects , Jay Munshi <jaymunshi@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Look what I found. Not just Naag Mani but all manis are very

very

> very common

> > > http://www.manizone.co.uk/

> > >

> > > Best Regards,

> > >

> > > Jay

> > >

> > > Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66@> wrote:

> > > I AGREE!!!

> > >

> > > sacred-objects , Kochu Menon <kochu1@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > another bunkum. There is no such ban. This is another myth

> perpetrated by the

> > > fraudster to keep the gullible buyer from talking about it till

> after he realises he was

> > > defrauded. Can anyone show the notification? and pray, under

what

> law is it banned?

> > > Menon

> > > >

> > > > sacred-objects@: rsbj66@: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:21:35

> +0000[sacred-

> > > objects] Re: is this Real Naga Mani? photo included

> > > >

> > > > Wow! Does the Govt of India recognize the existance of " Naga

> mani " ? Is Nagamani

> > > mentioned in Indian law? Wow!!!sacred-

> objects , Ranganath P

> > > <askranga@> wrote:>> Hello> > Original Naga Mani cant to Sold

in

> Public, > Since it

> > has

> > > been banned by Govt. Of India.> > That means its clear that the

> items which are Sale

> > May

> > > not be Geniune or Original> > Regards> Ranganath> International

> Business Partner>

> > > Bangalore> > Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66@> wrote:> These are

> glass. Why not get

> > the

> > > seller to provide a gem certificate ruling out glass, known

> stones, or any other ID? You

> > > cannot buy without guarantee and certificate. This is true even

> with normal stones, what

> > to

> > > speak of " naga mani. " If they can't PROVE it then they cannot

> sell it (except to an idiot).

> > Y/

> > > s, Richard> > sacred-objects , " Raj "

> <raj_maiil@> wrote:> >>

> > >

> > > thanks for replying sir.i found it for sale.they claim to have

>

> > nagamanis of different

> > > types for example these are not transparent > > so are they

fake

> too?http://

> > > i19.tinypic.com/85nyz4n.jpg > >

http://i2.tinypic.com/6tfnvib.jpg

> http://

> > i7.tinypic.com/

> > > 71d09p1.jpg > > they say its polished nagamani from cobra but

> cant believe them at >

> > >

> > > all as there are lots of fakes and nagamani is very difficult

to

> find> > sacred-

> > > objects , " Richard Shaw-Brown " > > <rsbj66@>

> wrote:> > >> > >

> > Sir,

> > > real Nagamani is not transparent. I have tested this type. It >

>

> is artificial glass. Y/s,

> > > Richard> > > > > > sacred-objects , " Raj "

> <raj_maiil@>

> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Richard sir,> > > > can u please tell me

> whether this is a real

> > > nagamani-> > > > http://i10.tinypic.com/85vxpbb.jpg> > > >

there

> are lots of fake

> > > nagamanis around...but,someone told me > > that> > > > this is

a

> real nagamani

> > please

> > > confirm sir.> > > >> > >> >> > > > > >

> > > > Do You

?

> > Tired of spam?

> > > Mail has the best spam protection around >

> >

> > > >

> > > > ________

> > > > Check out some new online services at Windows Live Ideas—so

new

> they haven't even

> > > been officially released yet.

> > > > http://www.msnspecials.in/windowslive/

> > > >

> > >

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>

November 18, 2007

Dear Bala, THANKS! That's a GREAT contribution. Y/s, Richard

--- bala_songyi <bala_songyi wrote:

> Friends !!!!

> Check out this Australian Gemologist e International Pearling Journal

> assesment of Elephant Pearls....

> Same as those offered by recent forum email with beautiful fotos...

>

> http://www.pearls.com/news2/pp22/elephant.pdf

>

> Best Regards

> sacred-objects , " bala_songyi "

> <bala_songyi wrote:

> >

> > There a number of places in Batam Island, (Near Singapore ) and

> > central Java near JogJakarta and Cheribun, which manufacture

> > Musitakas as seen in the 2 websites as referred by other members in

>

> > this thread.....

> >

> > How are they made ?

> >

> > Usuall A cast iron tune of 7-8 inches or cast iron tubs of 12-16

> > inches are filled with tungsten metal granules and dust (discarded

> > scraps from oil drilling industry)into these tubes or tubes

> depending

> > on ball shape required or egg shapped required.

> >

> > The mineral fossils or mineral rocks are put into these tupes or

> tubs

> > and tumbled by agitation on an agitator machine.

> > The agitator machines are about 12 feet to 12 feet wide and these

> > tubes or tubs are loaded on the agitator. An agitator machine is

> like

> > those Rice amd Husk Sieve machines in Indian Rice mills or Thai

> Rice

> > mills, except there is no gale force Fans blowing away the lighter

> > husks.

> >

> > In case of a coconut pearl, these are made from Marine Coconut

> snail

> > shell which has a thick shell of 3 - 5 inches thick shell, (common

> in

> > the seas of east java and east sumatra Indian ocean coastlines.

> > When right size is obtained, these pearls are carved with lines and

>

> a

> > bun like hump on one side which is smaller and lightly agitated

> again

> > to remove human workings on it.

> >

> > When finalized, the shell tumbled pearls are boiled in coconut milk

>

> > (as used in curry) but with all the coconut gratings, for few days.

> >

> > The strong smell of coconut willl linger for months from the

> coconut

> > pearls and when soaked into hot water will emit the coconut milk

> > fragances. This is how the challenged test is done.

> >

> > The real piece of coconut pearl is a harden piece of mixed coconut

> > butters with a oval elongated shape that give a smell of fresh

> > coconut oil tin opened for years and years. For example the piece

> > displayed in Brunei istana museum, decorated with gold and diamonds

> >

> > Bamboo pearls are like small pieces of white milky hailstones and

> > called Bamboo Salt in Harbin (northern china), in fact they are

> salt

> > crystals and this bamboo is grown and harvested for its salts...

> >

> > Hope this info is useful

> >

> > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw-Brown "

> > <rsbj66@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Like the " limbo dance " - how LOW can you GO! They have

> MANY " Cloud

> > Pearls " - but if you test with a lab and prove " artifical glass "

> then

> > what is their refund policy?

> > >

> > > sacred-objects , Jay Munshi <jaymunshi@>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Look what I found. Not just Naag Mani but all manis are very

> very

> > very common

> > > > http://www.manizone.co.uk/

> > > >

> > > > Best Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Jay

> > > >

> > > > Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66@> wrote:

> > > > I AGREE!!!

> > > >

> > > > sacred-objects , Kochu Menon <kochu1@>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > another bunkum. There is no such ban. This is another myth

> > perpetrated by the

> > > > fraudster to keep the gullible buyer from talking about it till

>

> > after he realises he was

> > > > defrauded. Can anyone show the notification? and pray, under

> what

> > law is it banned?

> > > > Menon

> > > > >

> > > > > sacred-objects@: rsbj66@: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:21:35

> > +0000[sacred-

> > > > objects] Re: is this Real Naga Mani? photo included

> > > > >

> > > > > Wow! Does the Govt of India recognize the existance of " Naga

> > mani " ? Is Nagamani

> > > > mentioned in Indian law? Wow!!!sacred-

> > objects , Ranganath P

> > > > <askranga@> wrote:>> Hello> > Original Naga Mani cant to Sold

> in

> > Public, > Since it

> > > has

> > > > been banned by Govt. Of India.> > That means its clear that the

>

> > items which are Sale

> > > May

> > > > not be Geniune or Original> > Regards> Ranganath> International

>

> > Business Partner>

> > > > Bangalore> > Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66@> wrote:> These are

> > glass. Why not get

> > > the

> > > > seller to provide a gem certificate ruling out glass, known

> > stones, or any other ID? You

> > > > cannot buy without guarantee and certificate. This is true even

>

> > with normal stones, what

> > > to

> > > > speak of " naga mani. " If they can't PROVE it then they cannot

> > sell it (except to an idiot).

> > > Y/

> > > > s, Richard> > sacred-objects , " Raj "

> > <raj_maiil@> wrote:> >>

> > > >

> > > > thanks for replying sir.i found it for sale.they claim to have

> >

> > > nagamanis of different

> > > > types for example these are not transparent > > so are they

> fake

> > too?http://

> > > > i19.tinypic.com/85nyz4n.jpg > >

> http://i2.tinypic.com/6tfnvib.jpg

> > http://

> > > i7.tinypic.com/

> > > > 71d09p1.jpg > > they say its polished nagamani from cobra but

> > cant believe them at >

> > > >

> > > > all as there are lots of fakes and nagamani is very difficult

> to

> > find> > sacred-

> > > > objects , " Richard Shaw-Brown " > > <rsbj66@>

> > wrote:> > >> > >

> > > Sir,

> > > > real Nagamani is not transparent. I have tested this type. It >

>

> >

> > is artificial glass. Y/s,

> > > > Richard> > > > > > sacred-objects , " Raj "

>

> > <raj_maiil@>

> > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Richard sir,> > > > can u please tell me

> > whether this is a real

> > > > nagamani-> > > > http://i10.tinypic.com/85vxpbb.jpg> > > >

> there

> > are lots of fake

> > > > nagamanis around...but,someone told me > > that> > > > this is

> a

> > real nagamani

> > > please

> > > > confirm sir.> > > >> > >> >> > > > > >

> > > > > Do You

> ?

> > > Tired of spam?

> > > > Mail has the best spam protection around >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ________

> > > > > Check out some new online services at Windows Live Ideas—so

> new

> > they haven't even

> > > > been officially released yet.

> > > > > http://www.msnspecials.in/windowslive/

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside

> > Mail. See how.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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November 18, 2007

Dear sir,

This is something very exciting i ever heard but anyway i wanted to know can we buy this elephant pearl if yes where & how can find real one, is it consider goodluck if we have one,

please let me know more about this pearl

thanks

rashmi patel

rashmipatel12

Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66sacred-objects Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 7:20:02 AMRe: Re: "Elephant Pearls of Sri Lanka" is this Real Naga Mani? photo included

Dear Bala, THANKS! That's a GREAT contribution. Y/s, Richard--- bala_songyi <bala_songyi@ > wrote:> Friends !!!!> Check out this Australian Gemologist e International Pearling Journal> assesment of Elephant Pearls....> Same as those offered by recent forum email with beautiful fotos...> > http://www.pearls. com/news2/ pp22/elephant. pdf> > Best Regards> sacred-objects, "bala_songyi" > <bala_songyi@ ...> wrote:> >> > There a number of places in Batam Island, (Near Singapore ) and

> > central Java near JogJakarta and Cheribun, which manufacture > > Musitakas as seen in the 2 websites as referred by other members in> > > this thread.....> > > > How are they made ?> > > > Usuall A cast iron tune of 7-8 inches or cast iron tubs of 12-16 > > inches are filled with tungsten metal granules and dust (discarded > > scraps from oil drilling industry)into these tubes or tubes > depending > > on ball shape required or egg shapped required.> > > > The mineral fossils or mineral rocks are put into these tupes or > tubs > > and tumbled by agitation on an agitator machine.> > The agitator machines are about 12 feet to 12 feet wide and these > > tubes or tubs are loaded on the agitator. An agitator machine is > like > > those Rice amd Husk Sieve machines in

Indian Rice mills or Thai > Rice > > mills, except there is no gale force Fans blowing away the lighter > > husks. > > > > In case of a coconut pearl, these are made from Marine Coconut > snail > > shell which has a thick shell of 3 - 5 inches thick shell, (common > in > > the seas of east java and east sumatra Indian ocean coastlines.> > When right size is obtained, these pearls are carved with lines and> > a > > bun like hump on one side which is smaller and lightly agitated > again > > to remove human workings on it.> > > > When finalized, the shell tumbled pearls are boiled in coconut milk> > > (as used in curry) but with all the coconut gratings, for few days.> > > > The strong smell of coconut willl linger for months from the > coconut > >

pearls and when soaked into hot water will emit the coconut milk > > fragances. This is how the challenged test is done.> > > > The real piece of coconut pearl is a harden piece of mixed coconut > > butters with a oval elongated shape that give a smell of fresh > > coconut oil tin opened for years and years. For example the piece > > displayed in Brunei istana museum, decorated with gold and diamonds> > > > Bamboo pearls are like small pieces of white milky hailstones and > > called Bamboo Salt in Harbin (northern china), in fact they are > salt > > crystals and this bamboo is grown and harvested for its salts...> > > > > > Hope this info is useful> > > > > > sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw-Brown" > > <rsbj66@> wrote:> > >> > > Like the "limbo dance" - how LOW can you GO! They have > MANY "Cloud > > Pearls" - but if you test with a lab and prove "artifical glass" > then > > what is their refund policy?> > > > > > sacred-objects, Jay Munshi <jaymunshi@> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Look what I found. Not just Naag Mani but all manis are very > very > > very common > > > > http://www.manizone .co.uk/> > > >> > >

> Best Regards,> > > >> > > > Jay> > > >> > > > Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66@> wrote:> > > > I AGREE!!!> > > >> > > > sacred-objects, Kochu Menon <kochu1@> > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > another bunkum. There is no such ban. This is another myth > > perpetrated by the> > > > fraudster to keep the gullible buyer from talking about it till> > > after he realises he was> > > > defrauded. Can anyone show the notification? and pray, under > what > > law is it banned?> > > > Menon> > > > >> > > > >> >

> > > sacred-objects@ : rsbj66@: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:21:35 > > +0000[sacred-> > > > objects] Re: is this Real Naga Mani? photo included> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Wow! Does the Govt of India recognize the existance of "Naga > > mani"? Is Nagamani> > > > mentioned in Indian law? Wow!!!sacred-> > objects@ .com, Ranganath P> > > > <askranga@> wrote:>> Hello> > Original Naga Mani cant to Sold > in > > Public, > Since it> > > has> > > > been banned by Govt. Of India.> > That means its clear that the> > > items which are

Sale> > > May> > > > not be Geniune or Original> > Regards> Ranganath> International> > > Business Partner>> > > > Bangalore> > Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66@> wrote:> These are > > glass. Why not get> > > the> > > > seller to provide a gem certificate ruling out glass, known > > stones, or any other ID? You> > > > cannot buy without guarantee and certificate. This is true even> > > with normal stones, what> > > to> > > > speak of "naga mani." If they can't PROVE it then they cannot > > sell it (except to an idiot).> > > Y/> > > > s, Richard> > sacred-objects,

"Raj" > > <raj_maiil@> wrote:> >>> > > >> > > > thanks for replying sir.i found it for sale.they claim to have > > > > > nagamanis of different> > > > types for example these are not transparent > > so are they > fake > > too?http://> > > > i19.tinypic. com/85nyz4n. jpg > > > http://i2.tinypic. com/6tfnvib. jpg > > http://> > > i7.tinypic.com/> > > > 71d09p1.jpg > > they say its polished nagamani from cobra but > > cant believe them at >> > > >> > > > all as there are lots of fakes and nagamani is very difficult > to > > find> > sacred-> > > > objects@ .com, "Richard Shaw-Brown" > > <rsbj66@> > > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Sir,> > > > real Nagamani is not transparent. I have tested this type. It >> > > > > is artificial glass. Y/s,> > > > Richard> > > > > > sacred-objects, "Raj"> > > <raj_maiil@>> > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Richard sir,> > > > can u please tell me > > whether this is a real> > > > nagamani-> > > > http://i10.tinypic. com/85vxpbb. jpg> > > > > there > > are lots of fake> > > > nagamanis around...but, someone told me > > that> > > > this is > a > > real nagamani> > > please> > > > confirm sir.> > > >> > >> >> > > > > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __> Do You > ?> > > Tired of spam?> > > > Mail has the best spam protection around > > > http://mail. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________

_________ _> > > > > Check out some new online services at Windows Live Ideas—so > new > > they haven't even> > > > been officially released yet.> > > > > http://www.msnspeci als.in/windowsli ve/> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > > Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside > > Mail. See how.> > > >> > >> >> > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger .

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November 18, 2007

Please visit this groups homepage sacred-objects/

and do a search for Gaja Moti (within the group). You will find a lot of things.

Before you buy be sure to send a picture to this group so you don't get duped.

There are real ones. Y/s,

Richard

sacred-objects , rashmi patel <rashmihpatel wrote:

>

> Dear sir,

>

> This is something very exciting i ever heard but anyway i wanted to know can

we buy

this elephant pearl if yes where & how can find real one, is it consider

goodluck if we have

one,

> please let me know more about this pearl

>

> thanks

> rashmi patel

> rashmipatel12

>

> Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66

> sacred-objects

> Sunday, November 18, 2007 7:20:02 AM

> Re: Re: " Elephant Pearls of Sri Lanka " is this Real

Naga Mani?

photo included

>

> Dear Bala, THANKS! That's a GREAT contribution. Y/s, Richard

>

> --- bala_songyi <bala_songyi@ > wrote:

>

> > Friends !!!!

> > Check out this Australian Gemologist e International Pearling Journal

> > assesment of Elephant Pearls....

> > Same as those offered by recent forum email with beautiful fotos...

> >

> > http://www.pearls. com/news2/ pp22/elephant. pdf

> >

> > Best Regards

> > sacred-objects, " bala_songyi "

> > <bala_songyi@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > There a number of places in Batam Island, (Near Singapore ) and

> > > central Java near JogJakarta and Cheribun, which manufacture

> > > Musitakas as seen in the 2 websites as referred by other members in

> >

> > > this thread.....

> > >

> > > How are they made ?

> > >

> > > Usuall A cast iron tune of 7-8 inches or cast iron tubs of 12-16

> > > inches are filled with tungsten metal granules and dust (discarded

> > > scraps from oil drilling industry)into these tubes or tubes

> > depending

> > > on ball shape required or egg shapped required.

> > >

> > > The mineral fossils or mineral rocks are put into these tupes or

> > tubs

> > > and tumbled by agitation on an agitator machine.

> > > The agitator machines are about 12 feet to 12 feet wide and these

> > > tubes or tubs are loaded on the agitator. An agitator machine is

> > like

> > > those Rice amd Husk Sieve machines in Indian Rice mills or Thai

> > Rice

> > > mills, except there is no gale force Fans blowing away the lighter

> > > husks.

> > >

> > > In case of a coconut pearl, these are made from Marine Coconut

> > snail

> > > shell which has a thick shell of 3 - 5 inches thick shell, (common

> > in

> > > the seas of east java and east sumatra Indian ocean coastlines.

> > > When right size is obtained, these pearls are carved with lines and

> >

> > a

> > > bun like hump on one side which is smaller and lightly agitated

> > again

> > > to remove human workings on it.

> > >

> > > When finalized, the shell tumbled pearls are boiled in coconut milk

> >

> > > (as used in curry) but with all the coconut gratings, for few days.

> > >

> > > The strong smell of coconut willl linger for months from the

> > coconut

> > > pearls and when soaked into hot water will emit the coconut milk

> > > fragances. This is how the challenged test is done.

> > >

> > > The real piece of coconut pearl is a harden piece of mixed coconut

> > > butters with a oval elongated shape that give a smell of fresh

> > > coconut oil tin opened for years and years. For example the piece

> > > displayed in Brunei istana museum, decorated with gold and diamonds

> > >

> > > Bamboo pearls are like small pieces of white milky hailstones and

> > > called Bamboo Salt in Harbin (northern china), in fact they are

> > salt

> > > crystals and this bamboo is grown and harvested for its salts...

> > >

> > > Hope this info is useful

> > >

> > > sacred-objects, " Richard Shaw-Brown "

> > > <rsbj66@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Like the " limbo dance " - how LOW can you GO! They have

> > MANY " Cloud

> > > Pearls " - but if you test with a lab and prove " artifical glass "

> > then

> > > what is their refund policy?

> > > >

> > > > sacred-objects, Jay Munshi <jaymunshi@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Look what I found. Not just Naag Mani but all manis are very

> > very

> > > very common

> > > > > http://www.manizone .co.uk/

> > > > >

> > > > > Best Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Jay

> > > > >

> > > > > Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66@> wrote:

> > > > > I AGREE!!!

> > > > >

> > > > > sacred-objects, Kochu Menon <kochu1@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > another bunkum. There is no such ban. This is another myth

> > > perpetrated by the

> > > > > fraudster to keep the gullible buyer from talking about it till

> >

> > > after he realises he was

> > > > > defrauded. Can anyone show the notification? and pray, under

> > what

> > > law is it banned?

> > > > > Menon

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sacred-objects@ : rsbj66@: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:21:35

> > > +0000[sacred-

> > > > > objects] Re: is this Real Naga Mani? photo included

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Wow! Does the Govt of India recognize the existance of " Naga

> > > mani " ? Is Nagamani

> > > > > mentioned in Indian law? Wow!!!sacred-

> > > objects@ .com, Ranganath P

> > > > > <askranga@> wrote:>> Hello> > Original Naga Mani cant to Sold

> > in

> > > Public, > Since it

> > > > has

> > > > > been banned by Govt. Of India.> > That means its clear that the

> >

> > > items which are Sale

> > > > May

> > > > > not be Geniune or Original> > Regards> Ranganath> International

> >

> > > Business Partner>

> > > > > Bangalore> > Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66@> wrote:> These are

> > > glass. Why not get

> > > > the

> > > > > seller to provide a gem certificate ruling out glass, known

> > > stones, or any other ID? You

> > > > > cannot buy without guarantee and certificate. This is true even

> >

> > > with normal stones, what

> > > > to

> > > > > speak of " naga mani. " If they can't PROVE it then they cannot

> > > sell it (except to an idiot).

> > > > Y/

> > > > > s, Richard> > sacred-objects, " Raj "

> > > <raj_maiil@> wrote:> >>

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks for replying sir.i found it for sale.they claim to have

> > >

> > > > nagamanis of different

> > > > > types for example these are not transparent > > so are they

> > fake

> > > too?http://

> > > > > i19.tinypic. com/85nyz4n. jpg > >

> > http://i2.tinypic. com/6tfnvib. jpg

> > > http://

> > > > i7.tinypic.com/

> > > > > 71d09p1.jpg > > they say its polished nagamani from cobra but

> > > cant believe them at >

> > > > >

> > > > > all as there are lots of fakes and nagamani is very difficult

> > to

> > > find> > sacred-

> > > > > objects@ .com, " Richard Shaw-Brown " > > <rsbj66@>

> > > wrote:> > >> > >

> > > > Sir,

> > > > > real Nagamani is not transparent. I have tested this type. It >

> >

> > >

> > > is artificial glass. Y/s,

> > > > > Richard> > > > > > sacred-objects, " Raj "

> >

> > > <raj_maiil@>

> > > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Richard sir,> > > > can u please tell me

> > > whether this is a real

> > > > > nagamani-> > > > http://i10.tinypic. com/85vxpbb. jpg> > > >

> > there

> > > are lots of fake

> > > > > nagamanis around...but, someone told me > > that> > > > this is

> > a

> > > real nagamani

> > > > please

> > > > > confirm sir.> > > >> > >> >> > > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __> Do You

> > ?

> > > > Tired of spam?

> > > > > Mail has the best spam protection around >

> > > http://mail. >

> > > > > >

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> > new

> > > they haven't even

> > > > > been officially released yet.

> > > > > > http://www.msnspeci als.in/windowsli ve/

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> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

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November 19, 2007

I am unable to understand. The Paper that was mentioned here indicates that the so called elephant pearls were man made from Elephant molars.Menon

sacred-objects From: rsbj66Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 12:20:02 +0000Re: Re: "Elephant Pearls of Sri Lanka" is this Real Naga Mani? photo included

Dear Bala, THANKS! That's a GREAT contribution. Y/s, Richard--- bala_songyi <bala_songyi > wrote:> Friends !!!!> Check out this Australian Gemologist e International Pearling Journal> assesment of Elephant Pearls....> Same as those offered by recent forum email with beautiful fotos...> > http://www.pearls.com/news2/pp22/elephant.pdf> > Best Regards> sacred-objects , "bala_songyi" > <bala_songyi wrote:> >> > There a number of places in Batam Island, (Near Singapore ) and > > central Java near JogJakarta and Cheribun, which manufacture > > Musitakas as seen in the 2 websites as referred by other members in> > > this thread.....> > > > How are they made ?> > > > Usuall A cast iron tune of 7-8 inches or cast iron tubs of 12-16 > > inches are filled with tungsten metal granules and dust (discarded > > scraps from oil drilling industry)into these tubes or tubes > depending > > on ball shape required or egg shapped required.> > > > The mineral fossils or mineral rocks are put into these tupes or > tubs > > and tumbled by agitation on an agitator machine.> > The agitator machines are about 12 feet to 12 feet wide and these > > tubes or tubs are loaded on the agitator. An agitator machine is > like > > those Rice amd Husk Sieve machines in Indian Rice mills or Thai > Rice > > mills, except there is no gale force Fans blowing away the lighter > > husks. > > > > In case of a coconut pearl, these are made from Marine Coconut > snail > > shell which has a thick shell of 3 - 5 inches thick shell, (common > in > > the seas of east java and east sumatra Indian ocean coastlines.> > When right size is obtained, these pearls are carved with lines and> > a > > bun like hump on one side which is smaller and lightly agitated > again > > to remove human workings on it.> > > > When finalized, the shell tumbled pearls are boiled in coconut milk> > > (as used in curry) but with all the coconut gratings, for few days.> > > > The strong smell of coconut willl linger for months from the > coconut > > pearls and when soaked into hot water will emit the coconut milk > > fragances. This is how the challenged test is done.> > > > The real piece of coconut pearl is a harden piece of mixed coconut > > butters with a oval elongated shape that give a smell of fresh > > coconut oil tin opened for years and years. For example the piece > > displayed in Brunei istana museum, decorated with gold and diamonds> > > > Bamboo pearls are like small pieces of white milky hailstones and > > called Bamboo Salt in Harbin (northern china), in fact they are > salt > > crystals and this bamboo is grown and harvested for its salts...> > > > > > Hope this info is useful> > > > > > sacred-objects , "Richard Shaw-Brown" > > <rsbj66@> wrote:> > >> > > Like the "limbo dance" - how LOW can you GO! They have > MANY "Cloud > > Pearls" - but if you test with a lab and prove "artifical glass" > then > > what is their refund policy?> > > > > > sacred-objects , Jay Munshi <jaymunshi@> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Look what I found. Not just Naag Mani but all manis are very > very > > very common > > > > http://www.manizone.co.uk/> > > >> > > > Best Regards,> > > >> > > > Jay> > > >> > > > Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66@> wrote:> > > > I AGREE!!!> > > >> > > > sacred-objects , Kochu Menon <kochu1@> > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > another bunkum. There is no such ban. This is another myth > > perpetrated by the> > > > fraudster to keep the gullible buyer from talking about it till> > > after he realises he was> > > > defrauded. Can anyone show the notification? and pray, under > what > > law is it banned?> > > > Menon> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > sacred-objects@: rsbj66@: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:21:35 > > +0000[sacred-> > > > objects] Re: is this Real Naga Mani? photo included> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Wow! Does the Govt of India recognize the existance of "Naga > > mani"? Is Nagamani> > > > mentioned in Indian law? Wow!!!sacred-> > objects , Ranganath P> > > > <askranga@> wrote:>> Hello> > Original Naga Mani cant to Sold > in > > Public, > Since it> > > has> > > > been banned by Govt. Of India.> > That means its clear that the> > > items which are Sale> > > May> > > > not be Geniune or Original> > Regards> Ranganath> International> > > Business Partner>> > > > Bangalore> > Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66@> wrote:> These are > > glass. Why not get> > > the> > > > seller to provide a gem certificate ruling out glass, known > > stones, or any other ID? You> > > > cannot buy without guarantee and certificate. This is true even> > > with normal stones, what> > > to> > > > speak of "naga mani." If they can't PROVE it then they cannot > > sell it (except to an idiot).> > > Y/> > > > s, Richard> > sacred-objects , "Raj" > > <raj_maiil@> wrote:> >>> > > >> > > > thanks for replying sir.i found it for sale.they claim to have > > > > > nagamanis of different> > > > types for example these are not transparent > > so are they > fake > > too?http://> > > > i19.tinypic.com/85nyz4n.jpg > > > http://i2.tinypic.com/6tfnvib.jpg > > http://> > > i7.tinypic.com/> > > > 71d09p1.jpg > > they say its polished nagamani from cobra but > > cant believe them at >> > > >> > > > all as there are lots of fakes and nagamani is very difficult > to > > find> > sacred-> > > > objects , "Richard Shaw-Brown" > > <rsbj66@> > > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Sir,> > > > real Nagamani is not transparent. I have tested this type. It >> > > > > is artificial glass. Y/s,> > > > Richard> > > > > > sacred-objects , "Raj"> > > <raj_maiil@>> > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Richard sir,> > > > can u please tell me > > whether this is a real> > > > nagamani-> > > > http://i10.tinypic.com/85vxpbb.jpg> > > > > there > > are lots of fake> > > > nagamanis around...but,someone told me > > that> > > > this is > a > > real nagamani> > > please> > > > confirm sir.> > > >> > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > Do You > ?> > > Tired of spam?> > > > Mail has the best spam protection around > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ________> > > > > Check out some new online services at Windows Live Ideas—so > new > > they haven't even> > > > been officially released yet.> > > > > http://www.msnspecials.in/windowslive/> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside > > Mail. See how.> > > >> > >> >> > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. 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November 19, 2007

Gentlemen Can someone confirm if these are real Naga Mani ( King Cobra Pearl) or NOT? Thanks for your time Regards Ranganath P International Business Partner Bangalore Askranga Kochu Menon <kochu1 wrote: I am unable to understand. The Paper that was mentioned here indicates that the so called elephant pearls were man made from Elephant molars.Menon sacred-objects From: rsbj66 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 12:20:02 +0000Re: Re: "Elephant Pearls of Sri Lanka" is this Real Naga Mani? photo included Dear Bala, THANKS! That's a GREAT contribution. Y/s, Richard--- bala_songyi <bala_songyi > wrote:> Friends !!!!> Check out this Australian Gemologist e International Pearling Journal> assesment of Elephant Pearls....> Same as those offered by recent forum email with beautiful fotos...> > http://www.pearls.com/news2/pp22/elephant.pdf> > Best Regards> sacred-objects , "bala_songyi" > <bala_songyi wrote:> >> > There a number of places in Batam Island, (Near Singapore ) and > > central Java near JogJakarta and Cheribun, which manufacture > > Musitakas as seen in the 2 websites as referred by other members in> > > this thread.....> > > > How are they made ?> > > > Usuall A cast iron tune of 7-8 inches or cast iron tubs of 12-16 > > inches are filled with tungsten metal granules and dust (discarded > > scraps from oil drilling industry)into these tubes or tubes > depending > > on ball shape required or egg shapped

required.> > > > The mineral fossils or mineral rocks are put into these tupes or > tubs > > and tumbled by agitation on an agitator machine.> > The agitator machines are about 12 feet to 12 feet wide and these > > tubes or tubs are loaded on the agitator. An agitator machine is > like > > those Rice amd Husk Sieve machines in Indian Rice mills or Thai > Rice > > mills, except there is no gale force Fans blowing away the lighter > > husks. > > > > In case of a coconut pearl, these are made from Marine Coconut > snail > > shell which has a thick shell of 3 - 5 inches thick shell, (common > in > > the seas of east java and east sumatra Indian ocean coastlines.> > When right size is obtained, these pearls are carved with lines and> > a > > bun like hump on one side which is smaller and

lightly agitated > again > > to remove human workings on it.> > > > When finalized, the shell tumbled pearls are boiled in coconut milk> > > (as used in curry) but with all the coconut gratings, for few days.> > > > The strong smell of coconut willl linger for months from the > coconut > > pearls and when soaked into hot water will emit the coconut milk > > fragances. This is how the challenged test is done.> > > > The real piece of coconut pearl is a harden piece of mixed coconut > > butters with a oval elongated shape that give a smell of fresh > > coconut oil tin opened for years and years. For example the piece > > displayed in Brunei istana museum, decorated with gold and diamonds> > > > Bamboo pearls are like small pieces of white milky hailstones and > > called Bamboo Salt in Harbin

(northern china), in fact they are > salt > > crystals and this bamboo is grown and harvested for its salts...> > > > > > Hope this info is useful> > > > > > sacred-objects , "Richard Shaw-Brown" > > <rsbj66@> wrote:> > >> > > Like the "limbo dance" - how LOW can you GO! They have > MANY "Cloud > > Pearls" - but if you test with a lab and prove "artifical glass" > then > > what is their refund policy?> > > > > > sacred-objects , Jay Munshi <jaymunshi@> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Look what I found. Not just Naag Mani but all manis are very > very > > very common

> > > > http://www.manizone.co.uk/> > > >> > > > Best Regards,> > > >> > > > Jay> > > >> > > > Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66@> wrote:> > > > I AGREE!!!> > > >> > > > sacred-objects , Kochu Menon <kochu1@> > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > another bunkum. There is no such ban. This is another myth > > perpetrated by the> > > > fraudster to keep the gullible buyer from talking about it till> > > after he realises he was> > > > defrauded. Can anyone show the notification? and pray, under > what > > law is it banned?> > > >

Menon> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > sacred-objects@: rsbj66@: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:21:35 > > +0000[sacred-> > > > objects] Re: is this Real Naga Mani? photo included> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Wow! Does the Govt of India recognize the existance of "Naga > > mani"? Is Nagamani> > > > mentioned in Indian law? Wow!!!sacred-> > objects , Ranganath P> > > > <askranga@> wrote:>> Hello> > Original Naga Mani cant to Sold > in > > Public, > Since it> > > has> > > > been banned by Govt. Of India.> > That means its clear that the> > > items which are Sale> >

> May> > > > not be Geniune or Original> > Regards> Ranganath> International> > > Business Partner>> > > > Bangalore> > Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66@> wrote:> These are > > glass. Why not get> > > the> > > > seller to provide a gem certificate ruling out glass, known > > stones, or any other ID? You> > > > cannot buy without guarantee and certificate. This is true even> > > with normal stones, what> > > to> > > > speak of "naga mani." If they can't PROVE it then they cannot > > sell it (except to an idiot).> > > Y/> > > > s, Richard> > sacred-objects , "Raj" > > <raj_maiil@> wrote:> >>> > > >> > > >

thanks for replying sir.i found it for sale.they claim to have > > > > > nagamanis of different> > > > types for example these are not transparent > > so are they > fake > > too?http://> > > > i19.tinypic.com/85nyz4n.jpg > > > http://i2.tinypic.com/6tfnvib.jpg > > http://> > > i7.tinypic.com/> > > > 71d09p1.jpg > > they say its polished nagamani from cobra but > > cant believe them at >> > > >> > > > all as there are lots of fakes and nagamani is very difficult > to > > find> > sacred-> > > > objects , "Richard Shaw-Brown" > > <rsbj66@> > > wrote:> > >> > >>

> > Sir,> > > > real Nagamani is not transparent. I have tested this type. It >> > > > > is artificial glass. Y/s,> > > > Richard> > > > > > sacred-objects , "Raj"> > > <raj_maiil@>> > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Richard sir,> > > > can u please tell me > > whether this is a real> > > > nagamani-> > > > http://i10.tinypic.com/85vxpbb.jpg> > > > > there > > are lots of fake> > > > nagamanis around...but,someone told me > > that> > > > this is > a > > real nagamani> > > please> > > > confirm sir.> > >

>> > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > Do You > ?> > > Tired of spam?> > > > Mail has the best spam protection around > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ________> > > > > Check out some new online services at Windows Live Ideas—so > new > > they haven't even> > > > been officially released yet.> > > > > http://www.msnspecials.in/windowslive/> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside > > Mail. See how.> > > >> > >> >> > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Post free auto ads on Yello Classifieds now! Try it now!

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November 19, 2007

I THINK NOT! These are artificial glass and/or stones according to results of my

research.

Y/s, Richard

sacred-objects , Ranganath P <askranga wrote:

>

> Gentlemen

>

> Can someone confirm if these are real Naga Mani ( King Cobra Pearl) or NOT?

>

> ---NOT!

>

Thanks for your time

>

> Regards

>

> Ranganath P

> International Business Partner

> Bangalore

> Askranga

>

> Kochu Menon <kochu1 wrote:

> I am unable to understand. The Paper that was mentioned here

indicates that the

so called elephant pearls were man made from Elephant molars.

>

> Menon

>

> sacred-objects

> rsbj66

> Sun, 18 Nov 2007 12:20:02 +0000

> Re: Re: " Elephant Pearls of Sri Lanka " is this Real

Naga Mani?

photo included

>

> Dear Bala, THANKS! That's a GREAT contribution. Y/s, Richard

>

> --- bala_songyi <bala_songyi wrote:

>

> > Friends !!!!

> > Check out this Australian Gemologist e International Pearling Journal

> > assesment of Elephant Pearls....

> > Same as those offered by recent forum email with beautiful fotos...

> >

> > http://www.pearls.com/news2/pp22/elephant.pdf

> >

> > Best Regards

> > sacred-objects , " bala_songyi "

> > <bala_songyi@> wrote:

> > >

> > > There a number of places in Batam Island, (Near Singapore ) and

> > > central Java near JogJakarta and Cheribun, which manufacture

> > > Musitakas as seen in the 2 websites as referred by other members in

> >

> > > this thread.....

> > >

> > > How are they made ?

> > >

> > > Usuall A cast iron tune of 7-8 inches or cast iron tubs of 12-16

> > > inches are filled with tungsten metal granules and dust (discarded

> > > scraps from oil drilling industry)into these tubes or tubes

> > depending

> > > on ball shape required or egg shapped required.

> > >

> > > The mineral fossils or mineral rocks are put into these tupes or

> > tubs

> > > and tumbled by agitation on an agitator machine.

> > > The agitator machines are about 12 feet to 12 feet wide and these

> > > tubes or tubs are loaded on the agitator. An agitator machine is

> > like

> > > those Rice amd Husk Sieve machines in Indian Rice mills or Thai

> > Rice

> > > mills, except there is no gale force Fans blowing away the lighter

> > > husks.

> > >

> > > In case of a coconut pearl, these are made from Marine Coconut

> > snail

> > > shell which has a thick shell of 3 - 5 inches thick shell, (common

> > in

> > > the seas of east java and east sumatra Indian ocean coastlines.

> > > When right size is obtained, these pearls are carved with lines and

> >

> > a

> > > bun like hump on one side which is smaller and lightly agitated

> > again

> > > to remove human workings on it.

> > >

> > > When finalized, the shell tumbled pearls are boiled in coconut milk

> >

> > > (as used in curry) but with all the coconut gratings, for few days.

> > >

> > > The strong smell of coconut willl linger for months from the

> > coconut

> > > pearls and when soaked into hot water will emit the coconut milk

> > > fragances. This is how the challenged test is done.

> > >

> > > The real piece of coconut pearl is a harden piece of mixed coconut

> > > butters with a oval elongated shape that give a smell of fresh

> > > coconut oil tin opened for years and years. For example the piece

> > > displayed in Brunei istana museum, decorated with gold and diamonds

> > >

> > > Bamboo pearls are like small pieces of white milky hailstones and

> > > called Bamboo Salt in Harbin (northern china), in fact they are

> > salt

> > > crystals and this bamboo is grown and harvested for its salts...

> > >

> > > Hope this info is useful

> > >

> > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw-Brown "

> > > <rsbj66@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Like the " limbo dance " - how LOW can you GO! They have

> > MANY " Cloud

> > > Pearls " - but if you test with a lab and prove " artifical glass "

> > then

> > > what is their refund policy?

> > > >

> > > > sacred-objects , Jay Munshi <jaymunshi@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Look what I found. Not just Naag Mani but all manis are very

> > very

> > > very common

> > > > > http://www.manizone.co.uk/

> > > > >

> > > > > Best Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Jay

> > > > >

> > > > > Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66@> wrote:

> > > > > I AGREE!!!

> > > > >

> > > > > sacred-objects , Kochu Menon <kochu1@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > another bunkum. There is no such ban. This is another myth

> > > perpetrated by the

> > > > > fraudster to keep the gullible buyer from talking about it till

> >

> > > after he realises he was

> > > > > defrauded. Can anyone show the notification? and pray, under

> > what

> > > law is it banned?

> > > > > Menon

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sacred-objects@: rsbj66@: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:21:35

> > > +0000[sacred-

> > > > > objects] Re: is this Real Naga Mani? photo included

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Wow! Does the Govt of India recognize the existance of " Naga

> > > mani " ? Is Nagamani

> > > > > mentioned in Indian law? Wow!!!sacred-

> > > objects , Ranganath P

> > > > > <askranga@> wrote:>> Hello> > Original Naga Mani cant to Sold

> > in

> > > Public, > Since it

> > > > has

> > > > > been banned by Govt. Of India.> > That means its clear that the

> >

> > > items which are Sale

> > > > May

> > > > > not be Geniune or Original> > Regards> Ranganath> International

> >

> > > Business Partner>

> > > > > Bangalore> > Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66@> wrote:> These are

> > > glass. Why not get

> > > > the

> > > > > seller to provide a gem certificate ruling out glass, known

> > > stones, or any other ID? You

> > > > > cannot buy without guarantee and certificate. This is true even

> >

> > > with normal stones, what

> > > > to

> > > > > speak of " naga mani. " If they can't PROVE it then they cannot

> > > sell it (except to an idiot).

> > > > Y/

> > > > > s, Richard> > sacred-objects , " Raj "

> > > <raj_maiil@> wrote:> >>

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks for replying sir.i found it for sale.they claim to have

> > >

> > > > nagamanis of different

> > > > > types for example these are not transparent > > so are they

> > fake

> > > too?http://

> > > > > i19.tinypic.com/85nyz4n.jpg > >

> > http://i2.tinypic.com/6tfnvib.jpg

> > > http://

> > > > i7.tinypic.com/

> > > > > 71d09p1.jpg > > they say its polished nagamani from cobra but

> > > cant believe them at >

> > > > >

> > > > > all as there are lots of fakes and nagamani is very difficult

> > to

> > > find> > sacred-

> > > > > objects , " Richard Shaw-Brown " > > <rsbj66@>

> > > wrote:> > >> > >

> > > > Sir,

> > > > > real Nagamani is not transparent. I have tested this type. It >

> >

> > >

> > > is artificial glass. Y/s,

> > > > > Richard> > > > > > sacred-objects , " Raj "

> >

> > > <raj_maiil@>

> > > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Richard sir,> > > > can u please tell me

> > > whether this is a real

> > > > > nagamani-> > > > http://i10.tinypic.com/85vxpbb.jpg> > > >

> > there

> > > are lots of fake

> > > > > nagamanis around...but,someone told me > > that> > > > this is

> > a

> > > real nagamani

> > > > please

> > > > > confirm sir.> > > >> > >> >> > > > > >

> > > > > > Do You

> > ?

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Dear Sirs

The fotos gives the viewer - an impression of Tektites, or Osibidan

(both are molten glass

Tektites are molten glass of meterorites impact upon planet earth

and osibidan are volanic molten glass.

Hope this info is useful, but I can be wrong as it can be a man made

molten glass which are scam as rare tektites or rarer osbidan.

sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw-Brown "

<rsbj66 wrote:

>

> I THINK NOT! These are artificial glass and/or stones according to

results of my research.

> Y/s, Richard

>

> sacred-objects , Ranganath P <askranga@>

wrote:

> >

> > Gentlemen

> >

> > Can someone confirm if these are real Naga Mani ( King Cobra

Pearl) or NOT?

> >

> > ---NOT!

> >

> > Thanks for your time

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Ranganath P

> > International Business Partner

> > Bangalore

> > Askranga@

> >

> > Kochu Menon <kochu1@> wrote:

> > I am unable to understand. The Paper that was

mentioned here indicates that the

> so called elephant pearls were man made from Elephant molars.

> >

> > Menon

> >

> > sacred-objects

> > rsbj66@

> > Sun, 18 Nov 2007 12:20:02 +0000

> > Re: Re: " Elephant Pearls of Sri Lanka "

is this Real Naga Mani?

> photo included

> >

> > Dear Bala, THANKS! That's a GREAT contribution. Y/s,

Richard

> >

> > --- bala_songyi <bala_songyi@> wrote:

> >

> > > Friends !!!!

> > > Check out this Australian Gemologist e International Pearling

Journal

> > > assesment of Elephant Pearls....

> > > Same as those offered by recent forum email with beautiful

fotos...

> > >

> > > http://www.pearls.com/news2/pp22/elephant.pdf

> > >

> > > Best Regards

> > > sacred-objects , " bala_songyi "

> > > <bala_songyi@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > There a number of places in Batam Island, (Near Singapore )

and

> > > > central Java near JogJakarta and Cheribun, which manufacture

> > > > Musitakas as seen in the 2 websites as referred by other

members in

> > >

> > > > this thread.....

> > > >

> > > > How are they made ?

> > > >

> > > > Usuall A cast iron tune of 7-8 inches or cast iron tubs of

12-16

> > > > inches are filled with tungsten metal granules and dust

(discarded

> > > > scraps from oil drilling industry)into these tubes or tubes

> > > depending

> > > > on ball shape required or egg shapped required.

> > > >

> > > > The mineral fossils or mineral rocks are put into these

tupes or

> > > tubs

> > > > and tumbled by agitation on an agitator machine.

> > > > The agitator machines are about 12 feet to 12 feet wide and

these

> > > > tubes or tubs are loaded on the agitator. An agitator

machine is

> > > like

> > > > those Rice amd Husk Sieve machines in Indian Rice mills or

Thai

> > > Rice

> > > > mills, except there is no gale force Fans blowing away the

lighter

> > > > husks.

> > > >

> > > > In case of a coconut pearl, these are made from Marine

Coconut

> > > snail

> > > > shell which has a thick shell of 3 - 5 inches thick shell,

(common

> > > in

> > > > the seas of east java and east sumatra Indian ocean

coastlines.

> > > > When right size is obtained, these pearls are carved with

lines and

> > >

> > > a

> > > > bun like hump on one side which is smaller and lightly

agitated

> > > again

> > > > to remove human workings on it.

> > > >

> > > > When finalized, the shell tumbled pearls are boiled in

coconut milk

> > >

> > > > (as used in curry) but with all the coconut gratings, for

few days.

> > > >

> > > > The strong smell of coconut willl linger for months from the

> > > coconut

> > > > pearls and when soaked into hot water will emit the coconut

milk

> > > > fragances. This is how the challenged test is done.

> > > >

> > > > The real piece of coconut pearl is a harden piece of mixed

coconut

> > > > butters with a oval elongated shape that give a smell of

fresh

> > > > coconut oil tin opened for years and years. For example the

piece

> > > > displayed in Brunei istana museum, decorated with gold and

diamonds

> > > >

> > > > Bamboo pearls are like small pieces of white milky

hailstones and

> > > > called Bamboo Salt in Harbin (northern china), in fact they

are

> > > salt

> > > > crystals and this bamboo is grown and harvested for its

salts...

> > > >

> > > > Hope this info is useful

> > > >

> > > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw-Brown "

> > > > <rsbj66@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Like the " limbo dance " - how LOW can you GO! They have

> > > MANY " Cloud

> > > > Pearls " - but if you test with a lab and prove " artifical

glass "

> > > then

> > > > what is their refund policy?

> > > > >

> > > > > sacred-objects , Jay Munshi

<jaymunshi@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Look what I found. Not just Naag Mani but all manis are

very

> > > very

> > > > very common

> > > > > > http://www.manizone.co.uk/

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jay

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66@> wrote:

> > > > > > I AGREE!!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sacred-objects , Kochu Menon

<kochu1@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > another bunkum. There is no such ban. This is another

myth

> > > > perpetrated by the

> > > > > > fraudster to keep the gullible buyer from talking about

it till

> > >

> > > > after he realises he was

> > > > > > defrauded. Can anyone show the notification? and pray,

under

> > > what

> > > > law is it banned?

> > > > > > Menon

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sacred-objects@: rsbj66@: Mon, 12 Nov 2007

18:21:35

> > > > +0000[sacred-

> > > > > > objects] Re: is this Real Naga Mani? photo included

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Wow! Does the Govt of India recognize the existance

of " Naga

> > > > mani " ? Is Nagamani

> > > > > > mentioned in Indian law? Wow!!!sacred-

> > > > objects , Ranganath P

> > > > > > <askranga@> wrote:>> Hello> > Original Naga Mani cant to

Sold

> > > in

> > > > Public, > Since it

> > > > > has

> > > > > > been banned by Govt. Of India.> > That means its clear

that the

> > >

> > > > items which are Sale

> > > > > May

> > > > > > not be Geniune or Original> > Regards> Ranganath>

International

> > >

> > > > Business Partner>

> > > > > > Bangalore> > Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66@> wrote:> These

are

> > > > glass. Why not get

> > > > > the

> > > > > > seller to provide a gem certificate ruling out glass,

known

> > > > stones, or any other ID? You

> > > > > > cannot buy without guarantee and certificate. This is

true even

> > >

> > > > with normal stones, what

> > > > > to

> > > > > > speak of " naga mani. " If they can't PROVE it then they

cannot

> > > > sell it (except to an idiot).

> > > > > Y/

> > > > > > s, Richard> > sacred-

objects , " Raj "

> > > > <raj_maiil@> wrote:> >>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > thanks for replying sir.i found it for sale.they claim

to have

> > > >

> > > > > nagamanis of different

> > > > > > types for example these are not transparent > > so are

they

> > > fake

> > > > too?http://

> > > > > > i19.tinypic.com/85nyz4n.jpg > >

> > > http://i2.tinypic.com/6tfnvib.jpg

> > > > http://

> > > > > i7.tinypic.com/

> > > > > > 71d09p1.jpg > > they say its polished nagamani from

cobra but

> > > > cant believe them at >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > all as there are lots of fakes and nagamani is very

difficult

> > > to

> > > > find> > sacred-

> > > > > > objects , " Richard Shaw-Brown " > >

<rsbj66@>

> > > > wrote:> > >> > >

> > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > real Nagamani is not transparent. I have tested this

type. It >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > is artificial glass. Y/s,

> > > > > > Richard> > > > > > sacred-

objects , " Raj "

> > >

> > > > <raj_maiil@>

> > > > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Richard sir,> > > > can u please

tell me

> > > > whether this is a real

> > > > > > nagamani-> > > > http://i10.tinypic.com/85vxpbb.jpg> > >

>

> > > there

> > > > are lots of fake

> > > > > > nagamanis around...but,someone told me > > that> > > >

this is

> > > a

> > > > real nagamani

> > > > > please

> > > > > > confirm sir.> > > >> > >> >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Do

You

> > > ?

> > > > > Tired of spam?

> > > > > > Mail has the best spam protection around >

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> > > new

> > > > they haven't even

> > > > > > been officially released yet.

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> > > > > >

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> > > > Mail. See how.

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November 19, 2007

Sir,

so all the nagamanis on this site

http://www.bezoarmustikapearls.com/cobra.html are fake?are there any

sites which sell real nagamanis?i don't think so, all must be

fake.if a snake dies natural death will the mani from its head have

same shakthi(powers) as the one got from the hood?

sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw-Brown "

<rsbj66 wrote:

>

> I THINK NOT! These are artificial glass and/or stones according to

results of my research.

> Y/s, Richard

>

> sacred-objects , Ranganath P <askranga@>

wrote:

> >

> > Gentlemen

> >

> > Can someone confirm if these are real Naga Mani ( King Cobra

Pearl) or NOT?

> >

> > ---NOT!

> >

> > Thanks for your time

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Ranganath P

> > International Business Partner

> > Bangalore

> > Askranga@

> >

> > Kochu Menon <kochu1@> wrote:

> > I am unable to understand. The Paper that was

mentioned here indicates that the

> so called elephant pearls were man made from Elephant molars.

> >

> > Menon

> >

> > sacred-objects

> > rsbj66@

> > Sun, 18 Nov 2007 12:20:02 +0000

> > Re: Re: " Elephant Pearls of Sri Lanka "

is this Real Naga Mani?

> photo included

> >

> > Dear Bala, THANKS! That's a GREAT contribution. Y/s,

Richard

> >

> > --- bala_songyi <bala_songyi@> wrote:

> >

> > > Friends !!!!

> > > Check out this Australian Gemologist e International Pearling

Journal

> > > assesment of Elephant Pearls....

> > > Same as those offered by recent forum email with beautiful

fotos...

> > >

> > > http://www.pearls.com/news2/pp22/elephant.pdf

> > >

> > > Best Regards

> > > sacred-objects , " bala_songyi "

> > > <bala_songyi@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > There a number of places in Batam Island, (Near Singapore )

and

> > > > central Java near JogJakarta and Cheribun, which manufacture

> > > > Musitakas as seen in the 2 websites as referred by other

members in

> > >

> > > > this thread.....

> > > >

> > > > How are they made ?

> > > >

> > > > Usuall A cast iron tune of 7-8 inches or cast iron tubs of

12-16

> > > > inches are filled with tungsten metal granules and dust

(discarded

> > > > scraps from oil drilling industry)into these tubes or tubes

> > > depending

> > > > on ball shape required or egg shapped required.

> > > >

> > > > The mineral fossils or mineral rocks are put into these

tupes or

> > > tubs

> > > > and tumbled by agitation on an agitator machine.

> > > > The agitator machines are about 12 feet to 12 feet wide and

these

> > > > tubes or tubs are loaded on the agitator. An agitator

machine is

> > > like

> > > > those Rice amd Husk Sieve machines in Indian Rice mills or

Thai

> > > Rice

> > > > mills, except there is no gale force Fans blowing away the

lighter

> > > > husks.

> > > >

> > > > In case of a coconut pearl, these are made from Marine

Coconut

> > > snail

> > > > shell which has a thick shell of 3 - 5 inches thick shell,

(common

> > > in

> > > > the seas of east java and east sumatra Indian ocean

coastlines.

> > > > When right size is obtained, these pearls are carved with

lines and

> > >

> > > a

> > > > bun like hump on one side which is smaller and lightly

agitated

> > > again

> > > > to remove human workings on it.

> > > >

> > > > When finalized, the shell tumbled pearls are boiled in

coconut milk

> > >

> > > > (as used in curry) but with all the coconut gratings, for

few days.

> > > >

> > > > The strong smell of coconut willl linger for months from the

> > > coconut

> > > > pearls and when soaked into hot water will emit the coconut

milk

> > > > fragances. This is how the challenged test is done.

> > > >

> > > > The real piece of coconut pearl is a harden piece of mixed

coconut

> > > > butters with a oval elongated shape that give a smell of

fresh

> > > > coconut oil tin opened for years and years. For example the

piece

> > > > displayed in Brunei istana museum, decorated with gold and

diamonds

> > > >

> > > > Bamboo pearls are like small pieces of white milky

hailstones and

> > > > called Bamboo Salt in Harbin (northern china), in fact they

are

> > > salt

> > > > crystals and this bamboo is grown and harvested for its

salts...

> > > >

> > > > Hope this info is useful

> > > >

> > > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw-Brown "

> > > > <rsbj66@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Like the " limbo dance " - how LOW can you GO! They have

> > > MANY " Cloud

> > > > Pearls " - but if you test with a lab and prove " artifical

glass "

> > > then

> > > > what is their refund policy?

> > > > >

> > > > > sacred-objects , Jay Munshi

<jaymunshi@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Look what I found. Not just Naag Mani but all manis are

very

> > > very

> > > > very common

> > > > > > http://www.manizone.co.uk/

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jay

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66@> wrote:

> > > > > > I AGREE!!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sacred-objects , Kochu Menon

<kochu1@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > another bunkum. There is no such ban. This is another

myth

> > > > perpetrated by the

> > > > > > fraudster to keep the gullible buyer from talking about

it till

> > >

> > > > after he realises he was

> > > > > > defrauded. Can anyone show the notification? and pray,

under

> > > what

> > > > law is it banned?

> > > > > > Menon

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sacred-objects@: rsbj66@: Mon, 12 Nov 2007

18:21:35

> > > > +0000[sacred-

> > > > > > objects] Re: is this Real Naga Mani? photo included

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Wow! Does the Govt of India recognize the existance

of " Naga

> > > > mani " ? Is Nagamani

> > > > > > mentioned in Indian law? Wow!!!sacred-

> > > > objects , Ranganath P

> > > > > > <askranga@> wrote:>> Hello> > Original Naga Mani cant to

Sold

> > > in

> > > > Public, > Since it

> > > > > has

> > > > > > been banned by Govt. Of India.> > That means its clear

that the

> > >

> > > > items which are Sale

> > > > > May

> > > > > > not be Geniune or Original> > Regards> Ranganath>

International

> > >

> > > > Business Partner>

> > > > > > Bangalore> > Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66@> wrote:> These

are

> > > > glass. Why not get

> > > > > the

> > > > > > seller to provide a gem certificate ruling out glass,

known

> > > > stones, or any other ID? You

> > > > > > cannot buy without guarantee and certificate. This is

true even

> > >

> > > > with normal stones, what

> > > > > to

> > > > > > speak of " naga mani. " If they can't PROVE it then they

cannot

> > > > sell it (except to an idiot).

> > > > > Y/

> > > > > > s, Richard> > sacred-

objects , " Raj "

> > > > <raj_maiil@> wrote:> >>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > thanks for replying sir.i found it for sale.they claim

to have

> > > >

> > > > > nagamanis of different

> > > > > > types for example these are not transparent > > so are

they

> > > fake

> > > > too?http://

> > > > > > i19.tinypic.com/85nyz4n.jpg > >

> > > http://i2.tinypic.com/6tfnvib.jpg

> > > > http://

> > > > > i7.tinypic.com/

> > > > > > 71d09p1.jpg > > they say its polished nagamani from

cobra but

> > > > cant believe them at >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > all as there are lots of fakes and nagamani is very

difficult

> > > to

> > > > find> > sacred-

> > > > > > objects , " Richard Shaw-Brown " > >

<rsbj66@>

> > > > wrote:> > >> > >

> > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > real Nagamani is not transparent. I have tested this

type. It >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > is artificial glass. Y/s,

> > > > > > Richard> > > > > > sacred-

objects , " Raj "

> > >

> > > > <raj_maiil@>

> > > > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Richard sir,> > > > can u please

tell me

> > > > whether this is a real

> > > > > > nagamani-> > > > http://i10.tinypic.com/85vxpbb.jpg> > >

>

> > > there

> > > > are lots of fake

> > > > > > nagamanis around...but,someone told me > > that> > > >

this is

> > > a

> > > > real nagamani

> > > > > please

> > > > > > confirm sir.> > > >> > >> >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Do

You

> > > ?

> > > > > Tired of spam?

> > > > > > Mail has the best spam protection around >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

________

> > > > > > > Check out some new online services at Windows Live

Ideas—so

> > > new

> > > > they haven't even

> > > > > > been officially released yet.

> > > > > > > http://www.msnspecials.in/windowslive/

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside

> > > > Mail. See how.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> > Send instant messages to your online friends

http://uk.messenger.

> >

> > Post free auto ads on Yello Classifieds now! Try it now!

> >

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