Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 So stabbing in the back is OK if the person has turned his back? Very nice philosophy! If that is so, why complain about fraud labs and all that. And what is history? What was written by frauds like Max Muller with MYTHS of "Aryan invasion" to justify colonial aggression? Theories that are now discarded. MYTHS of Newton's apple?(who actually only re-wrote the material brought from Kerala by Jesuit priests sent, by pope julian, to collect information on Indian calendars so that he can reform the faulty western calendar?); johann Keplar who translated arabic copies of Gola shastra and claimed he "discovered" keplar's theorem? Copernicus who is even now touted with the "discovery" of Heliocentric theory, by the false propagandists, while it was known and USED in India thousands of years before that sod and read up on arabic translations of Indian texts. The whole basis of western science and culture is things stolen and claimed as theirs. Supported by a FALSE religion. The "history" you speak is fraud created by a fraud civilisation built on plunder, pillage and rape for their own ends. Who believe that disappearance of Melanin from the skin goes as grey matter in the brain? I really get your drift. Saying that 95% of Indians are bad (in your reference to Mahabharat). Maybe we are, maybe we are not. Thats all you saw in Mahaa Bharat? What a pity!! But then, what else can you see in that? Freedom at Midnight by Lapierre and co is another slanted attempt with ulterior motive. It "seems" to eulogize things while all the time they are taking sideswipes. I see that here too. That’s why I wrote. They want to convert Bharat into the false religion of christianity As declared by Rat Singer. – appropriate name for a Pope who claim descent from “Satan”. If we are to believe that a sod called Christ existed; he called Peter Satan thrice in the oft edited and mangled book called bible. If he were God, his words are true. He called peter “Satan’ thrice. Their "scripture" a hotch potch of quotations taken from the Egyptian book of the dead and other eastern sources and attributed to the poor sod who may or may not have existed. I can go on. But I stop at that. Menon sacred-objects From: rsbj66Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:59:31 +0100RE: Attack the wrong and not the messenger Dear Sri Menon,I read "Freedom at Midnight" and history is history. As far asbackstabbing, yes, the British stabbed those who "turned their backs."But we all remember Duryodhan and his brothers, the Kauravas, and those'gentlemen' were certainly not British nor honest. That is why thebattle of Kurukshetra was fought, not because of British or Arabs. Andat a ratio of 5 good Pandavas to 100 bad Kauravas that gives a prettysmall % to the good guys.It is fine to express your self here. Only no personal attacks. This isnot a boxing ring.Best wishes,Richard--- Kochu Menon <kochu1 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:> > Whpo said British colonised whole India? Thats another white> caucasian british lie. I know at least 2 people including an ancestor> of mine who stood against the British and won. Clive had to run away> without pants when we attacked. he never came back. The other was> Sayaji Rao Gaekwad of India.> > We are an honest nation. Lies and backstabbing were the methods used> by teh British genocidaires.> > I daily face caucasian racist B****ds. I face and fight and WIN. I> fight them wherever and whenever I can.> > so lets not have this smooth talk with implied meanings. I can also> do it. I know that Hare Krishna movement is a CIA plant. I was there> when we recovered arms and advanced communication equipment from the> so called temple in Bengal.Menon> > > sacred-objects From: rsbj66 Date: Wed, 24> Oct 2007 15:55:53 +0000 Attack the wrong and> not the messenger> > > > > Dear Sriman,We can discuss wrong or right activities by anyone. For> example an American dealer told me he is selling a "conch pearl"> taken from a Whelk shell. I told him that was fraud. It is a whelk> pearl, not a conch pearl! But he refused to accept the difference in> spite of factual difference. A case of ignorance or fraud by a> caucasian. In fact there is more cheating in business going on in> America because the courts are FULL of cases or fraud, cheating, with> thousands of lawyers busy getting guilty people off or declaring> Bankrupsy to get off. The West is full of cheating. That's why I live> in Asia.Mainly we can complain or find fault with any wrong provided> we attack the wrong and not the messenger. So far I have not read> anyone saying ALL of any race are dishonest. So we cannot kill the> messenger, only reproach or disagree with the message or issue.As far> as India's excuse of having been subjugated by a hand-full of> Britishers, that is a matter of shame. How can an entire Bharata be> over-run by a handful of British? You can say it was by force of> arms. But doesn't India have any arms to defend with? What pride are> you talking about? Please explain how a hand-full of arrogant> Britishers could over-power entire India, and then make off with all> natural resources, while keeping millions of Indian's in check? I> know all the history of it, but I still question: How could this> happen? It is not something to be proud of. Although eventually that> wrong was righted by "proud" Indians like Subash Bose and Gandhi,> etc. Still, it should never have been allowed to happen in the first> place. So lets keep the perspective clear.Best wishes,Richard--- In> sacred-objects , Kochu Menon <kochu1 wrote:>> >> why cannot we have issues of honesty and integrity of caucasian gem> dealers, shell dealers, customs officials and other officials also> discussed, the same way please, starting from the genocides they> perpetrated on non-caucasians, how lands were stolen, people were> starved to death to advance their commercial interests, the lies they> said and say to advance their interests etc. also discussed? Or is it> a taboo subject to be covered by a "covenant of silence"?> > People> forget that Indians are a proud people and any attempt at attacking> them will be met and countered in teh same coin whoever be the> attacker.> > My point is that there are no saints in this world. It> is not just limited to Indian Society but to all societies including> Caucasian and african. I would say the malise is larger in Caucasian> society which thrives SOLELY on the blood and toil of poor asians and> africans and on their raw materials. Let us not start discussing one> people ALONE. > > It was bad form to have allowed the initial post.> When that is allowed, it is only proper that replies are also posted.> The first post also was a "hate mail" and I consider, with ulterior> motive of promoting some organisation or person.> > I will not say> anything more. Menon> > > sacred-objects: rsbj66: Wed, 24> Oct 2007 09:46:45 +0000 No hate mail,> please!> > > > > Dear Members,There has been a bit of hate mail> deleted concerning misunderstanding the honesty of Indians. No one> has questioned the honesty of Indian nationals. The reference was> made to dishonest customs officials, shell dealers, and some gem> labs. No one is blaming Indians. This problem is just a part of> society, not all of society. Please take it rightly.Best> wishes,richard > > > > > > >> ________> Search> from any Web page with powerful protection. Get the FREE Windows Live> Toolbar Today!> http://toolbar.live.com/?mkt=en-in> > > > > > > > ________> Windows Live Spaces is here! It’s easy to create your own personal> Web site.> http://spaces.live.com/?mkt=en-inSend instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Get the new ! Try it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Where is this discussion leading to???? Can this kind of discussion be avoided from this forum please and sanctity maintained? Thanks in anticipation. Amar On 25/10/2007, Kochu Menon <kochu1 wrote: So stabbing in the back is OK if the person has turned his back? Very nice philosophy! If that is so, why complain about fraud labs and all that. And what is history? What was written by frauds like Max Muller with MYTHS of " Aryan invasion " to justify colonial aggression? Theories that are now discarded. MYTHS of Newton's apple?(who actually only re-wrote the material brought from Kerala by Jesuit priests sent, by pope julian, to collect information on Indian calendars so that he can reform the faulty western calendar?); johann Keplar who translated arabic copies of Gola shastra and claimed he " discovered " keplar's theorem? Copernicus who is even now touted with the " discovery " of Heliocentric theory, by the false propagandists, while it was known and USED in India thousands of years before that sod and read up on arabic translations of Indian texts. The whole basis of western science and culture is things stolen and claimed as theirs. Supported by a FALSE religion. The " history " you speak is fraud created by a fraud civilisation built on plunder, pillage and rape for their own ends. Who believe that disappearance of Melanin from the skin goes as grey matter in the brain? I really get your drift. Saying that 95% of Indians are bad (in your reference to Mahabharat). Maybe we are, maybe we are not. Thats all you saw in Mahaa Bharat? What a pity!! But then, what else can you see in that? Freedom at Midnight by Lapierre and co is another slanted attempt with ulterior motive. It " seems " to eulogize things while all the time they are taking sideswipes. I see that here too. That's why I wrote. They want to convert Bharat into the false religion of christianity As declared by Rat Singer. – appropriate name for a Pope who claim descent from "Satan". If we are to believe that a sod called Christ existed; he called Peter Satan thrice in the oft edited and mangled book called bible. If he were God, his words are true. He called peter "Satan' thrice. Their " scripture " a hotch potch of quotations taken from the Egyptian book of the dead and other eastern sources and attributed to the poor sod who may or may not have existed. I can go on. But I stop at that. Menon sacred-objects From: rsbj66Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:59:31 +0100RE: Attack the wrong and not the messenger Dear Sri Menon,I read " Freedom at Midnight " and history is history. As far asbackstabbing, yes, the British stabbed those who " turned their backs. " But we all remember Duryodhan and his brothers, the Kauravas, and those 'gentlemen' were certainly not British nor honest. That is why thebattle of Kurukshetra was fought, not because of British or Arabs. Andat a ratio of 5 good Pandavas to 100 bad Kauravas that gives a pretty small % to the good guys.It is fine to express your self here. Only no personal attacks. This isnot a boxing ring.Best wishes,Richard--- Kochu Menon < kochu1 wrote:> > Whpo said British colonised whole India? Thats another white> caucasian british lie. I know at least 2 people including an ancestor> of mine who stood against the British and won. Clive had to run away > without pants when we attacked. he never came back. The other was> Sayaji Rao Gaekwad of India.> > We are an honest nation. Lies and backstabbing were the methods used> by teh British genocidaires. > > I daily face caucasian racist B****ds. I face and fight and WIN. I> fight them wherever and whenever I can.> > so lets not have this smooth talk with implied meanings. I can also > do it. I know that Hare Krishna movement is a CIA plant. I was there> when we recovered arms and advanced communication equipment from the> so called temple in Bengal.Menon> > > sacred-objects: rsbj66: Wed, 24> Oct 2007 15:55:53 +0000 Attack the wrong and> not the messenger> > > > > Dear Sriman,We can discuss wrong or right activities by anyone. For > example an American dealer told me he is selling a " conch pearl " > taken from a Whelk shell. I told him that was fraud. It is a whelk> pearl, not a conch pearl! But he refused to accept the difference in > spite of factual difference. A case of ignorance or fraud by a> caucasian. In fact there is more cheating in business going on in> America because the courts are FULL of cases or fraud, cheating, with > thousands of lawyers busy getting guilty people off or declaring> Bankrupsy to get off. The West is full of cheating. That's why I live> in Asia.Mainly we can complain or find fault with any wrong provided > we attack the wrong and not the messenger. So far I have not read> anyone saying ALL of any race are dishonest. So we cannot kill the> messenger, only reproach or disagree with the message or issue.As far> as India's excuse of having been subjugated by a hand-full of> Britishers, that is a matter of shame. How can an entire Bharata be> over-run by a handful of British? You can say it was by force of > arms. But doesn't India have any arms to defend with? What pride are> you talking about? Please explain how a hand-full of arrogant> Britishers could over-power entire India, and then make off with all > natural resources, while keeping millions of Indian's in check? I> know all the history of it, but I still question: How could this> happen? It is not something to be proud of. Although eventually that > wrong was righted by " proud " Indians like Subash Bose and Gandhi,> etc. Still, it should never have been allowed to happen in the first> place. So lets keep the perspective clear.Best wishes,Richard--- In > sacred-objects , Kochu Menon <kochu1 wrote:>> >> why cannot we have issues of honesty and integrity of caucasian gem > dealers, shell dealers, customs officials and other officials also> discussed, the same way please, starting from the genocides they> perpetrated on non-caucasians, how lands were stolen, people were > starved to death to advance their commercial interests, the lies they> said and say to advance their interests etc. also discussed? Or is it> a taboo subject to be covered by a " covenant of silence " ?> > People > forget that Indians are a proud people and any attempt at attacking> them will be met and countered in teh same coin whoever be the> attacker.> > My point is that there are no saints in this world. It > is not just limited to Indian Society but to all societies including> Caucasian and african. I would say the malise is larger in Caucasian> society which thrives SOLELY on the blood and toil of poor asians and > africans and on their raw materials. Let us not start discussing one> people ALONE. > > It was bad form to have allowed the initial post.> When that is allowed, it is only proper that replies are also posted. > The first post also was a " hate mail " and I consider, with ulterior> motive of promoting some organisation or person.> > I will not say> anything more. Menon> > > sacred-objects: rsbj66: Wed, 24 > Oct 2007 09:46:45 +0000 No hate mail,> please!> > > > > Dear Members,There has been a bit of hate mail> deleted concerning misunderstanding the honesty of Indians. No one > has questioned the honesty of Indian nationals. The reference was> made to dishonest customs officials, shell dealers, and some gem> labs. No one is blaming Indians. This problem is just a part of > society, not all of society. Please take it rightly.Best> wishes,richard > > > > > > >> ________> Search> from any Web page with powerful protection. Get the FREE Windows Live > Toolbar Today!> http://toolbar.live.com/?mkt=en-in> > > > > > > > ________> Windows Live Spaces is here! It's easy to create your own personal> Web site.> http://spaces.live.com/?mkt=en-inSend instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Get the new ! Try it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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