Guest guest Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Dear Sriman, We can discuss wrong or right activities by anyone. For example an American dealer told me he is selling a " conch pearl " taken from a Whelk shell. I told him that was fraud. It is a whelk pearl, not a conch pearl! But he refused to accept the difference in spite of factual difference. A case of ignorance or fraud by a caucasian. In fact there is more cheating in business going on in America because the courts are FULL of cases or fraud, cheating, with thousands of lawyers busy getting guilty people off or declaring Bankrupsy to get off. The West is full of cheating. That's why I live in Asia. Mainly we can complain or find fault with any wrong provided we attack the wrong and not the messenger. So far I have not read anyone saying ALL of any race are dishonest. So we cannot kill the messenger, only reproach or disagree with the message or issue. As far as India's excuse of having been subjugated by a hand-full of Britishers, that is a matter of shame. How can an entire Bharata be over-run by a handful of British? You can say it was by force of arms. But doesn't India have any arms to defend with? What pride are you talking about? Please explain how a hand-full of arrogant Britishers could over-power entire India, and then make off with all natural resources, while keeping millions of Indian's in check? I know all the history of it, but I still question: How could this happen? It is not something to be proud of. Although eventually that wrong was righted by " proud " Indians like Subash Bose and Gandhi, etc. Still, it should never have been allowed to happen in the first place. So lets keep the perspective clear. Best wishes, Richard sacred-objects , Kochu Menon <kochu1 wrote: > > > why cannot we have issues of honesty and integrity of caucasian gem dealers, shell dealers, customs officials and other officials also discussed, the same way please, starting from the genocides they perpetrated on non-caucasians, how lands were stolen, people were starved to death to advance their commercial interests, the lies they said and say to advance their interests etc. also discussed? Or is it a taboo subject to be covered by a " covenant of silence " ? > > People forget that Indians are a proud people and any attempt at attacking them will be met and countered in teh same coin whoever be the attacker. > > My point is that there are no saints in this world. It is not just limited to Indian Society but to all societies including Caucasian and african. I would say the malise is larger in Caucasian society which thrives SOLELY on the blood and toil of poor asians and africans and on their raw materials. Let us not start discussing one people ALONE. > > It was bad form to have allowed the initial post. When that is allowed, it is only proper that replies are also posted. The first post also was a " hate mail " and I consider, with ulterior motive of promoting some organisation or person. > > I will not say anything more. Menon > > > sacred-objects: rsbj66: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:46:45 +0000Subject: [sacred- objects] No hate mail, please! > > > > > Dear Members,There has been a bit of hate mail deleted concerning misunderstanding the honesty of Indians. No one has questioned the honesty of Indian nationals. The reference was made to dishonest customs officials, shell dealers, and some gem labs. No one is blaming Indians. This problem is just a part of society, not all of society. Please take it rightly.Best wishes,richard _______________ > Search from any Web page with powerful protection. Get the FREE Windows Live Toolbar Today! > http://toolbar.live.com/?mkt=en-in > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Whpo said British colonised whole India? Thats another white caucasian british lie. I know at least 2 people including an ancestor of mine who stood against the British and won. Clive had to run away without pants when we attacked. he never came back. The other was Sayaji Rao Gaekwad of India. We are an honest nation. Lies and backstabbing were the methods used by teh British genocidaires. I daily face caucasian racist B****ds. I face and fight and WIN. I fight them wherever and whenever I can. so lets not have this smooth talk with implied meanings. I can also do it. I know that Hare Krishna movement is a CIA plant. I was there when we recovered arms and advanced communication equipment from the so called temple in Bengal.Menon sacred-objects From: rsbj66Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:55:53 +0000 Attack the wrong and not the messenger Dear Sriman,We can discuss wrong or right activities by anyone. For example an American dealer told me he is selling a "conch pearl" taken from a Whelk shell. I told him that was fraud. It is a whelk pearl, not a conch pearl! But he refused to accept the difference in spite of factual difference. A case of ignorance or fraud by a caucasian. In fact there is more cheating in business going on in America because the courts are FULL of cases or fraud, cheating, with thousands of lawyers busy getting guilty people off or declaring Bankrupsy to get off. The West is full of cheating. That's why I live in Asia.Mainly we can complain or find fault with any wrong provided we attack the wrong and not the messenger. So far I have not read anyone saying ALL of any race are dishonest. So we cannot kill the messenger, only reproach or disagree with the message or issue.As far as India's excuse of having been subjugated by a hand-full of Britishers, that is a matter of shame. How can an entire Bharata be over-run by a handful of British? You can say it was by force of arms. But doesn't India have any arms to defend with? What pride are you talking about? Please explain how a hand-full of arrogant Britishers could over-power entire India, and then make off with all natural resources, while keeping millions of Indian's in check? I know all the history of it, but I still question: How could this happen? It is not something to be proud of. Although eventually that wrong was righted by "proud" Indians like Subash Bose and Gandhi, etc. Still, it should never have been allowed to happen in the first place. So lets keep the perspective clear.Best wishes,Richardsacred-objects , Kochu Menon <kochu1 wrote:>> > why cannot we have issues of honesty and integrity of caucasian gem dealers, shell dealers, customs officials and other officials also discussed, the same way please, starting from the genocides they perpetrated on non-caucasians, how lands were stolen, people were starved to death to advance their commercial interests, the lies they said and say to advance their interests etc. also discussed? Or is it a taboo subject to be covered by a "covenant of silence"?> > People forget that Indians are a proud people and any attempt at attacking them will be met and countered in teh same coin whoever be the attacker.> > My point is that there are no saints in this world. It is not just limited to Indian Society but to all societies including Caucasian and african. I would say the malise is larger in Caucasian society which thrives SOLELY on the blood and toil of poor asians and africans and on their raw materials. Let us not start discussing one people ALONE. > > It was bad form to have allowed the initial post. When that is allowed, it is only proper that replies are also posted. The first post also was a "hate mail" and I consider, with ulterior motive of promoting some organisation or person.> > I will not say anything more. Menon> > > sacred-objects: rsbj66: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:46:45 +0000 No hate mail, please!> > > > > Dear Members,There has been a bit of hate mail deleted concerning misunderstanding the honesty of Indians. No one has questioned the honesty of Indian nationals. The reference was made to dishonest customs officials, shell dealers, and some gem labs. No one is blaming Indians. This problem is just a part of society, not all of society. Please take it rightly.Best wishes,richard > > > > > > > ________> Search from any Web page with powerful protection. Get the FREE Windows Live Toolbar Today!> http://toolbar.live.com/?mkt=en-in> Windows Live Spaces is here! It’s easy to create your own personal Web site. Check it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Dear Sri Menon, I read " Freedom at Midnight " and history is history. As far as backstabbing, yes, the British stabbed those who " turned their backs. " But we all remember Duryodhan and his brothers, the Kauravas, and those 'gentlemen' were certainly not British nor honest. That is why the battle of Kurukshetra was fought, not because of British or Arabs. And at a ratio of 5 good Pandavas to 100 bad Kauravas that gives a pretty small % to the good guys. It is fine to express your self here. Only no personal attacks. This is not a boxing ring. Best wishes, Richard --- Kochu Menon <kochu1 wrote: > > Whpo said British colonised whole India? Thats another white > caucasian british lie. I know at least 2 people including an ancestor > of mine who stood against the British and won. Clive had to run away > without pants when we attacked. he never came back. The other was > Sayaji Rao Gaekwad of India. > > We are an honest nation. Lies and backstabbing were the methods used > by teh British genocidaires. > > I daily face caucasian racist B****ds. I face and fight and WIN. I > fight them wherever and whenever I can. > > so lets not have this smooth talk with implied meanings. I can also > do it. I know that Hare Krishna movement is a CIA plant. I was there > when we recovered arms and advanced communication equipment from the > so called temple in Bengal.Menon > > > sacred-objects: rsbj66: Wed, 24 > Oct 2007 15:55:53 +0000 Attack the wrong and > not the messenger > > > > > Dear Sriman,We can discuss wrong or right activities by anyone. For > example an American dealer told me he is selling a " conch pearl " > taken from a Whelk shell. I told him that was fraud. It is a whelk > pearl, not a conch pearl! But he refused to accept the difference in > spite of factual difference. A case of ignorance or fraud by a > caucasian. In fact there is more cheating in business going on in > America because the courts are FULL of cases or fraud, cheating, with > thousands of lawyers busy getting guilty people off or declaring > Bankrupsy to get off. The West is full of cheating. That's why I live > in Asia.Mainly we can complain or find fault with any wrong provided > we attack the wrong and not the messenger. So far I have not read > anyone saying ALL of any race are dishonest. So we cannot kill the > messenger, only reproach or disagree with the message or issue.As far > as India's excuse of having been subjugated by a hand-full of > Britishers, that is a matter of shame. How can an entire Bharata be > over-run by a handful of British? You can say it was by force of > arms. But doesn't India have any arms to defend with? What pride are > you talking about? Please explain how a hand-full of arrogant > Britishers could over-power entire India, and then make off with all > natural resources, while keeping millions of Indian's in check? I > know all the history of it, but I still question: How could this > happen? It is not something to be proud of. Although eventually that > wrong was righted by " proud " Indians like Subash Bose and Gandhi, > etc. Still, it should never have been allowed to happen in the first > place. So lets keep the perspective clear.Best wishes,Richard--- In > sacred-objects , Kochu Menon <kochu1 wrote:>> > > why cannot we have issues of honesty and integrity of caucasian gem > dealers, shell dealers, customs officials and other officials also > discussed, the same way please, starting from the genocides they > perpetrated on non-caucasians, how lands were stolen, people were > starved to death to advance their commercial interests, the lies they > said and say to advance their interests etc. also discussed? Or is it > a taboo subject to be covered by a " covenant of silence " ?> > People > forget that Indians are a proud people and any attempt at attacking > them will be met and countered in teh same coin whoever be the > attacker.> > My point is that there are no saints in this world. It > is not just limited to Indian Society but to all societies including > Caucasian and african. I would say the malise is larger in Caucasian > society which thrives SOLELY on the blood and toil of poor asians and > africans and on their raw materials. Let us not start discussing one > people ALONE. > > It was bad form to have allowed the initial post. > When that is allowed, it is only proper that replies are also posted. > The first post also was a " hate mail " and I consider, with ulterior > motive of promoting some organisation or person.> > I will not say > anything more. Menon> > > sacred-objects: rsbj66: Wed, 24 > Oct 2007 09:46:45 +0000 No hate mail, > please!> > > > > Dear Members,There has been a bit of hate mail > deleted concerning misunderstanding the honesty of Indians. No one > has questioned the honesty of Indian nationals. The reference was > made to dishonest customs officials, shell dealers, and some gem > labs. No one is blaming Indians. This problem is just a part of > society, not all of society. Please take it rightly.Best > wishes,richard > > > > > > > > ________> Search > from any Web page with powerful protection. Get the FREE Windows Live > Toolbar Today!> http://toolbar.live.com/?mkt=en-in> _______________ > Windows Live Spaces is here! It’s easy to create your own personal > Web site. > http://spaces.live.com/?mkt=en-in Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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