Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 dear abhishekji om namo bhagawate rudraya as regards bhrigu nadi, i could not get any first hand experience as it is availably only at one or two places in the north. hence no comments on this from my side. bhrigu samhita is an astrology book akin to brihat parasashara hora shastra and deals with astrology in general. as regards nadi jyotisha, which is most known as the tamil (palm leaf) nadi jyotisha with its mother centre near vaideeswaran koil and sub centres everywhere in the world, i had several experiences with these nadis myself and from what i understand along with mine and other people who got paid servcices from these nadi leaf readers, most (if not all) of these nadi palm leaf readers are DOT ON in their prediction of the native's past and present but most have failed in correctly predicting the futures. those fortunate people who got even their future correct are less. one famous astrologer who published his research on these tamil nadis inferred that they take the help of a karna pisachi and that their reading of palm leaf is only a showoff, because there is no way under any vedic saatvik way to predict the name, mother and father names, marital status, wife name, number of children and all these predictions with surgical precision on dot. it is my principle not to comment on individual astrologers and books that you have mentioned but i can suggest that the original shastras or samhitas written by the sages in sanskrit are the best ones to follow because even the modern books have the source from these original classics. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com sacred-objects , Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu wrote: > > Pandit Arjunji NamoNarayana, > > A very informative mail indeed, regards for the same...a slight detour. What is your prognosis on Brighu-Samhita & Nadi-Jyotisha. Is there some substance to them or they are phoney. > > In my opinion, Kali Kitab, is not as phoney as made out. I know an individual who is quite adept in its teachings; http://www.astroindia.com/pages/index.php. But it's invocation in no way constitutes as Jyotish. It is a book of occult. > > Also, my deep rooted inquiry into the terra firma of Lal Kitab, led me to conclude that its origin, lies the Ancient Vedic Science of Samudrika Shastra. Pandit Anil Katyan of Ballia Dist (UP), is renowned for charting the exact Rasi Chart of an individual with a glance at his hand. He often challenges me, to cast an Horoscope by looking at his palm. > > You would agree that the practise of Occult is very topical. If you give a surgical razor in a hand of a monkey, he may end up killing himself & a few others. Whereas in the capable hands of a surgeon, it shall give new life to the patient. > > Lal Kitab might be a modern treastise but its connotations very ancient. Let me tell you from personal experience. A friend of mine started having hallucinations & suffered from delusions. His family visited the Top Psychiatrist's at VIMHANS, he received no relief from his mental affliction. The family out of sheer desperation consulted a renowned Jyotishi, whose prescription also failed. Then they subjected him to further torture by trips to an Ojha, who pronounced that he is possessed by a Rank Dankini. > > At my behest the family consulted Late Shri PP Varma (An retired chief engineer by profession) & an adept of Lal Kitab or let us say its ancient teachings by vocation. On his prescription the family comissioned the procurement of 1,000 Lead Coins. They were placed under his mattress for 4 days & then they were offered to the river ganga at a point where it had a good flow. Lead as you might be aware is a panacea for Marine Life; particularly fish. & Fish as a species is linked to Rahu. Our Dear Rohit made a miraculous recovery from his affliction & today ably assists his father in their multicrore enterprise. > > So that is how he overcame an intense affliction of Rahu which no gomedha, SSRI Medication, no Jyotishi worth his salt was able to cure. Lal Kitab is primarily a Nature linked treastise, which first finds mention in the book Jataka-Karmadha-Padhhati, written around 10th century. > > But unfortunately, Charlatans & Scoundrels have brought it to its current state of commoditization. > > Best Rgds > Abhishek > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: > dear richardji > > lalkitab is invented by a modern man hardly 50 years ago. it has no > rasi (zodiac signs) sytem and all it has is only houses (1 to 12) > like bhava in vedic jyotish. the exaltation and debilitation of > planets and own houses of the panets is different from that of vedic > jyotish. also in some varshaphala charts and in some calculations > you would find rahu and ketu both in same house while vedic jyotish > has a thumbrule of rahu and ketu 180 degrees apart. lalkitab stictly > prohibits giving donations or distribution of some items as they > would weaken their correlated planets whereas donation and charities > must get only merit and positive results as per vedic jyotish. the > attribution of birds and animlas to planets is different between > lalkitab and vedic jyotish. some remedies like giving jaggery as > food to the deadbodies in a graveyard and bringing water from inside > a graveyard and keeping it in the house are all just incomprehensible > in vedic jyotish. hence i suggest readers not to grope for more in > lalkitab due to their so many contradictions. to get quick money and > fame, some people in the past two decades have started promoting > their own newly invented kali (black) kitab, neeli (blue) kitab, > sunehri kitab etc. and one can ignore all these books. > > vedic jyotish itself is not a proprietary subject as such. during > the vedic era i.e. in the yugas or days when vedas were followed, the > sages wrote some books on astrology viz. bhrigu samhita, brihat > parashara hora shastra etc. and the astrology practiced based on > these original books written by the sages of vedica era is loosely > branded as vedic jyotish. there are various systems within vedic > jyotish like jaimini, varahamihira and other medieval texts which > have some contradictions with the original samhitas or shastras. > later on we have several modern astroogy systems like krishnamurti > paddhati, systems approach and numerous other systems based on > various ayanamshas and all give completely different results for the > same chart. > > but as we respect the liberty and freedom of each modern man, all > systems are good to their own followers and one can adopt a system > whiche he likes most. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw-Brown " > <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > Dear Pt ji, > > > > Namaste!!! Very nice answer. I was wondering what is the main > difference between Lal Kitab and Jyotish? Your input is greatly > appreciated,,, Y/s, Richard > > > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@> > > wrote: > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > besides vedic astrology, i studied lalkitab as well but did not > > > answer this query as there are more than twenty groups on > lalkitab in > > > alone and more than a hundred websites by lalkitab > > > practitioners. > > > > > > anyway let me give a simple briefing of what this lalkitab is all > > > about. > > > > > > during the british era, once lived a god gifted intuitive > foreteller > > > roopchandji in punjab (before separation of pakistan). he used to > > > speak in urdu and wrote a book in urdu giving various simple > remedies > > > to be followed even by the illiterate poorest natives in an > > > inexpensive inhouse atmosphere. only because of these simple > nature > > > and easy affordability in doing these remedies, this lalkitab > gained > > > popularity only in punjab then and in some northern states later. > > > the principles of lakitab with regard to planets is a > contradiction > > > to vedic jyotish written by various sages. > > > > > > however, i do recommend the easiest simple remedies of lalkitab as > > > they can be easily done by the poorest person. if one follows > vedic > > > jyotish, then he may not bother about lalkitab. > > > > > > since in this group we discuss only holy and sacred objects, if > any > > > one desires to find a group on lalitab, simply search lalkitab > group > > > in and you would get all the dedicated to > lalkitab. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , Ranganath P <askranga@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Richard > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply for my posting. > > > > > > > > I had gone thru that site but it is expensive to get into > that, > > > thanks for referring. > > > > > > > > I did go thru other sites and i would like to refer the best > one, > > > which i have found till now. > > > > > > > > http://www.starteller.com/powerful-magic-words.html > > > > > > > > Similary, If one can do an extensive research and get simple > > > remedies to make our lives more happy that would be great. > > > > > > > > I am with you all. Lets try to get it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Ranga > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > TRY: http://www.mylalkitabupay.org/ > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw-Brown " > > > <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sriman, it seems no one wants to answer your question. > > > Perhaps it is out of fear of > > > > disagreement. We know little about this, but there are those who > > > believe and those who > > > > reject. I don't know who is right. I personally follow " Graha- > > > Gochar-Jyotish " since 1975. I > > > > have no experience with Lal Kitab. But there are members here > who > > > know. Perhaps they > > > > will speak up... > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , Ranganath P <askranga@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Team, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a new joiner in this group. I need to know what is Lal > > > Kitab and for what this is > > > > > used and where can one download it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Ranga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. > > > > > > Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your > > > story. > > > > Play Sims Stories at Games. > > > > > > > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Dear Abhishek ji, You have provided a very valuable information that the Lal Kitab is mentioned in ' Jatak karmadha Paddhati'of the 10th cent. Could you please shed more light on that? What and how is the Lal Kitab mentioned in the above classic? Regards, Varun Trivedi sacred-objects , Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu wrote: > > Pandit Arjunji NamoNarayana, > > A very informative mail indeed, regards for the same...a slight detour. What is your prognosis on Brighu-Samhita & Nadi-Jyotisha. Is there some substance to them or they are phoney. > > In my opinion, Kali Kitab, is not as phoney as made out. I know an individual who is quite adept in its teachings; http://www.astroindia.com/pages/index.php. But it's invocation in no way constitutes as Jyotish. It is a book of occult. > > Also, my deep rooted inquiry into the terra firma of Lal Kitab, led me to conclude that its origin, lies the Ancient Vedic Science of Samudrika Shastra. Pandit Anil Katyan of Ballia Dist (UP), is renowned for charting the exact Rasi Chart of an individual with a glance at his hand. He often challenges me, to cast an Horoscope by looking at his palm. > > You would agree that the practise of Occult is very topical. If you give a surgical razor in a hand of a monkey, he may end up killing himself & a few others. Whereas in the capable hands of a surgeon, it shall give new life to the patient. > > Lal Kitab might be a modern treastise but its connotations very ancient. Let me tell you from personal experience. A friend of mine started having hallucinations & suffered from delusions. His family visited the Top Psychiatrist's at VIMHANS, he received no relief from his mental affliction. The family out of sheer desperation consulted a renowned Jyotishi, whose prescription also failed. Then they subjected him to further torture by trips to an Ojha, who pronounced that he is possessed by a Rank Dankini. > > At my behest the family consulted Late Shri PP Varma (An retired chief engineer by profession) & an adept of Lal Kitab or let us say its ancient teachings by vocation. On his prescription the family comissioned the procurement of 1,000 Lead Coins. They were placed under his mattress for 4 days & then they were offered to the river ganga at a point where it had a good flow. Lead as you might be aware is a panacea for Marine Life; particularly fish. & Fish as a species is linked to Rahu. Our Dear Rohit made a miraculous recovery from his affliction & today ably assists his father in their multicrore enterprise. > > So that is how he overcame an intense affliction of Rahu which no gomedha, SSRI Medication, no Jyotishi worth his salt was able to cure. Lal Kitab is primarily a Nature linked treastise, which first finds mention in the book Jataka-Karmadha-Padhhati, written around 10th century. > > But unfortunately, Charlatans & Scoundrels have brought it to its current state of commoditization. > > Best Rgds > Abhishek > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: > dear richardji > > lalkitab is invented by a modern man hardly 50 years ago. it has no > rasi (zodiac signs) sytem and all it has is only houses (1 to 12) > like bhava in vedic jyotish. the exaltation and debilitation of > planets and own houses of the panets is different from that of vedic > jyotish. also in some varshaphala charts and in some calculations > you would find rahu and ketu both in same house while vedic jyotish > has a thumbrule of rahu and ketu 180 degrees apart. lalkitab stictly > prohibits giving donations or distribution of some items as they > would weaken their correlated planets whereas donation and charities > must get only merit and positive results as per vedic jyotish. the > attribution of birds and animlas to planets is different between > lalkitab and vedic jyotish. some remedies like giving jaggery as > food to the deadbodies in a graveyard and bringing water from inside > a graveyard and keeping it in the house are all just incomprehensible > in vedic jyotish. hence i suggest readers not to grope for more in > lalkitab due to their so many contradictions. to get quick money and > fame, some people in the past two decades have started promoting > their own newly invented kali (black) kitab, neeli (blue) kitab, > sunehri kitab etc. and one can ignore all these books. > > vedic jyotish itself is not a proprietary subject as such. during > the vedic era i.e. in the yugas or days when vedas were followed, the > sages wrote some books on astrology viz. bhrigu samhita, brihat > parashara hora shastra etc. and the astrology practiced based on > these original books written by the sages of vedica era is loosely > branded as vedic jyotish. there are various systems within vedic > jyotish like jaimini, varahamihira and other medieval texts which > have some contradictions with the original samhitas or shastras. > later on we have several modern astroogy systems like krishnamurti > paddhati, systems approach and numerous other systems based on > various ayanamshas and all give completely different results for the > same chart. > > but as we respect the liberty and freedom of each modern man, all > systems are good to their own followers and one can adopt a system > whiche he likes most. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw-Brown " > <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > Dear Pt ji, > > > > Namaste!!! Very nice answer. I was wondering what is the main > difference between Lal Kitab and Jyotish? Your input is greatly > appreciated,,, Y/s, Richard > > > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@> > > wrote: > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > besides vedic astrology, i studied lalkitab as well but did not > > > answer this query as there are more than twenty groups on > lalkitab in > > > alone and more than a hundred websites by lalkitab > > > practitioners. > > > > > > anyway let me give a simple briefing of what this lalkitab is all > > > about. > > > > > > during the british era, once lived a god gifted intuitive > foreteller > > > roopchandji in punjab (before separation of pakistan). he used to > > > speak in urdu and wrote a book in urdu giving various simple > remedies > > > to be followed even by the illiterate poorest natives in an > > > inexpensive inhouse atmosphere. only because of these simple > nature > > > and easy affordability in doing these remedies, this lalkitab > gained > > > popularity only in punjab then and in some northern states later. > > > the principles of lakitab with regard to planets is a > contradiction > > > to vedic jyotish written by various sages. > > > > > > however, i do recommend the easiest simple remedies of lalkitab as > > > they can be easily done by the poorest person. if one follows > vedic > > > jyotish, then he may not bother about lalkitab. > > > > > > since in this group we discuss only holy and sacred objects, if > any > > > one desires to find a group on lalitab, simply search lalkitab > group > > > in and you would get all the dedicated to > lalkitab. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , Ranganath P <askranga@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Richard > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply for my posting. > > > > > > > > I had gone thru that site but it is expensive to get into > that, > > > thanks for referring. > > > > > > > > I did go thru other sites and i would like to refer the best > one, > > > which i have found till now. > > > > > > > > http://www.starteller.com/powerful-magic-words.html > > > > > > > > Similary, If one can do an extensive research and get simple > > > remedies to make our lives more happy that would be great. > > > > > > > > I am with you all. Lets try to get it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Ranga > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > TRY: http://www.mylalkitabupay.org/ > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw-Brown " > > > <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sriman, it seems no one wants to answer your question. > > > Perhaps it is out of fear of > > > > disagreement. We know little about this, but there are those who > > > believe and those who > > > > reject. I don't know who is right. I personally follow " Graha- > > > Gochar-Jyotish " since 1975. I > > > > have no experience with Lal Kitab. But there are members here > who > > > know. Perhaps they > > > > will speak up... > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , Ranganath P <askranga@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Team, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a new joiner in this group. I need to know what is Lal > > > Kitab and for what this is > > > > > used and where can one download it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Ranga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. > > > > > > Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your > > > story. > > > > Play Sims Stories at Games. > > > > > > > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Dear Varun, Like you i am too a seeker so friend, do not suffix ji to my name. I knew two practitioners of Jyotish who specialized in Lal Kitab; One Late Shri. PP Varma & another who resides in Oslo, Norway (incidently he no longer solicits Jyotish Queries). Whatever little i know is because of them!!! Best Rgds Abhi varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: Dear Abhishek ji,You have provided a very valuable information that the Lal Kitab is mentioned in ' Jatak karmadha Paddhati'of the 10th cent.Could you please shed more light on that? What and how is the Lal Kitab mentioned in the above classic?Regards,Varun Trivedisacred-objects , Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu wrote:>> Pandit Arjunji NamoNarayana,> > A very informative mail indeed, regards for the same...a slight detour. What is your prognosis on Brighu-Samhita & Nadi-Jyotisha. Is there some substance to them or they are phoney.> > In my opinion, Kali Kitab, is not as phoney as made out. I know an individual who is quite adept in its teachings; http://www.astroindia.com/pages/index.php. But it's invocation in no way constitutes as Jyotish. It is a book of occult.> > Also, my deep rooted inquiry into the terra firma of Lal Kitab, led me to conclude that its origin, lies the Ancient Vedic Science of Samudrika Shastra. Pandit Anil Katyan of Ballia Dist (UP), is renowned for charting the exact Rasi Chart of an individual with a glance at his hand. He often challenges me, to cast an Horoscope by looking at his palm. > > You would agree that the practise of Occult is very topical. If you give a surgical razor in a hand of a monkey, he may end up killing himself & a few others. Whereas in the capable hands of a surgeon, it shall give new life to the patient.> > Lal Kitab might be a modern treastise but its connotations very ancient. Let me tell you from personal experience. A friend of mine started having hallucinations & suffered from delusions. His family visited the Top Psychiatrist's at VIMHANS, he received no relief from his mental affliction. The family out of sheer desperation consulted a renowned Jyotishi, whose prescription also failed. Then they subjected him to further torture by trips to an Ojha, who pronounced that he is possessed by a Rank Dankini. > > At my behest the family consulted Late Shri PP Varma (An retired chief engineer by profession) & an adept of Lal Kitab or let us say its ancient teachings by vocation. On his prescription the family comissioned the procurement of 1,000 Lead Coins. They were placed under his mattress for 4 days & then they were offered to the river ganga at a point where it had a good flow. Lead as you might be aware is a panacea for Marine Life; particularly fish. & Fish as a species is linked to Rahu. Our Dear Rohit made a miraculous recovery from his affliction & today ably assists his father in their multicrore enterprise. > > So that is how he overcame an intense affliction of Rahu which no gomedha, SSRI Medication, no Jyotishi worth his salt was able to cure. Lal Kitab is primarily a Nature linked treastise, which first finds mention in the book Jataka-Karmadha-Padhhati, written around 10th century. > > But unfortunately, Charlatans & Scoundrels have brought it to its current state of commoditization.> > Best Rgds> Abhishek > > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:> dear richardji> > lalkitab is invented by a modern man hardly 50 years ago. it has no > rasi (zodiac signs) sytem and all it has is only houses (1 to 12) > like bhava in vedic jyotish. the exaltation and debilitation of > planets and own houses of the panets is different from that of vedic > jyotish. also in some varshaphala charts and in some calculations > you would find rahu and ketu both in same house while vedic jyotish > has a thumbrule of rahu and ketu 180 degrees apart. lalkitab stictly > prohibits giving donations or distribution of some items as they > would weaken their correlated planets whereas donation and charities > must get only merit and positive results as per vedic jyotish. the > attribution of birds and animlas to planets is different between > lalkitab and vedic jyotish. some remedies like giving jaggery as > food to the deadbodies in a graveyard and bringing water from inside > a graveyard and keeping it in the house are all just incomprehensible > in vedic jyotish. hence i suggest readers not to grope for more in > lalkitab due to their so many contradictions. to get quick money and > fame, some people in the past two decades have started promoting > their own newly invented kali (black) kitab, neeli (blue) kitab, > sunehri kitab etc. and one can ignore all these books.> > vedic jyotish itself is not a proprietary subject as such. during > the vedic era i.e. in the yugas or days when vedas were followed, the > sages wrote some books on astrology viz. bhrigu samhita, brihat > parashara hora shastra etc. and the astrology practiced based on > these original books written by the sages of vedica era is loosely > branded as vedic jyotish. there are various systems within vedic > jyotish like jaimini, varahamihira and other medieval texts which > have some contradictions with the original samhitas or shastras. > later on we have several modern astroogy systems like krishnamurti > paddhati, systems approach and numerous other systems based on > various ayanamshas and all give completely different results for the > same chart.> > but as we respect the liberty and freedom of each modern man, all > systems are good to their own followers and one can adopt a system > whiche he likes most.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy.com> > sacred-objects , "Richard Shaw-Brown" > <rsbj66@> wrote:> >> > Dear Pt ji,> > > > Namaste!!! Very nice answer. I was wondering what is the main > difference between Lal Kitab and Jyotish? Your input is greatly > appreciated,,, Y/s, Richard> > > > sacred-objects , "panditarjun2004" > <panditarjun2004@>> > wrote:> > >> > > dear friends> > >> > > besides vedic astrology, i studied lalkitab as well but did not> > > answer this query as there are more than twenty groups on > lalkitab in> > > alone and more than a hundred websites by lalkitab> > > practitioners.> > >> > > anyway let me give a simple briefing of what this lalkitab is all> > > about.> > >> > > during the british era, once lived a god gifted intuitive > foreteller> > > roopchandji in punjab (before separation of pakistan). he used to> > > speak in urdu and wrote a book in urdu giving various simple > remedies> > > to be followed even by the illiterate poorest natives in an> > > inexpensive inhouse atmosphere. only because of these simple > nature> > > and easy affordability in doing these remedies, this lalkitab > gained> > > popularity only in punjab then and in some northern states later.> > > the principles of lakitab with regard to planets is a > contradiction> > > to vedic jyotish written by various sages.> > >> > > however, i do recommend the easiest simple remedies of lalkitab as> > > they can be easily done by the poorest person. if one follows > vedic> > > jyotish, then he may not bother about lalkitab.> > >> > > since in this group we discuss only holy and sacred objects, if > any> > > one desires to find a group on lalitab, simply search lalkitab > group> > > in and you would get all the dedicated to > lalkitab.> > >> > > with best wishes and blessings> > > pandit arjun> > > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > >> > >> > > sacred-objects , Ranganath P <askranga@>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Richard> > > >> > > > Thanks for your reply for my posting.> > > >> > > > I had gone thru that site but it is expensive to get into > that,> > > thanks for referring.> > > >> > > > I did go thru other sites and i would like to refer the best > one,> > > which i have found till now.> > > >> > > > http://www.starteller.com/powerful-magic-words.html> > > >> > > > Similary, If one can do an extensive research and get simple> > > remedies to make our lives more happy that would be great.> > > >> > > > I am with you all. Lets try to get it.> > > >> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Ranga> > > >> > > >> > > > Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66@> wrote:> > > > TRY: http://www.mylalkitabupay.org/> > > >> > > > sacred-objects , "Richard Shaw-Brown"> > > <rsbj66@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sriman, it seems no one wants to answer your question.> > > Perhaps it is out of fear of> > > > disagreement. We know little about this, but there are those who> > > believe and those who> > > > reject. I don't know who is right. I personally follow "Graha-> > > Gochar-Jyotish" since 1975. I> > > > have no experience with Lal Kitab. But there are members here > who> > > know. Perhaps they> > > > will speak up...> > > > >> > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > Richard> > > > >> > > > > sacred-objects , Ranganath P <askranga@>> > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Team,> > > > > >> > > > > > I am a new joiner in this group. I need to know what is Lal> > > Kitab and for what this is> > > > > used and where can one download it.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Ranga> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Building a website is a piece of cake.> > > > > > Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your> > > story.> > > > Play Sims Stories at Games.> > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away.> Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 Intersting Conversations are going ahead which is revealing the histroy behind it, Team please post your experiences (if any) on this topic Regards, Ranga Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu wrote: Dear Varun, Like you i am too a seeker so friend, do not suffix ji to my name. I knew two practitioners of Jyotish who specialized in Lal Kitab; One Late Shri. PP Varma & another who resides in Oslo, Norway (incidently he no longer solicits Jyotish Queries). Whatever little i know is because of them!!! Best Rgds Abhi varun_trvd <varun_trvd (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Abhishek ji,You have provided a very valuable information that the Lal Kitab is mentioned in ' Jatak karmadha Paddhati'of the 10th cent.Could you please shed more light on that? What and how is the Lal Kitab mentioned in the above classic?Regards,Varun Trivedisacred-objects , Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu wrote:>> Pandit Arjunji NamoNarayana,> > A very informative mail indeed, regards for the same...a slight detour. What is your prognosis on Brighu-Samhita & Nadi-Jyotisha. Is there some substance to them or they are phoney.> > In my opinion, Kali Kitab, is not as phoney as made out. I know an individual who is quite adept in its teachings; http://www.astroindia.com/pages/index.php. But it's invocation in no way constitutes as Jyotish. It is a book of occult.> > Also, my deep rooted inquiry into the terra firma of Lal Kitab, led me to conclude that its origin, lies the Ancient Vedic Science of Samudrika Shastra. Pandit Anil Katyan of Ballia Dist (UP), is renowned for charting the exact Rasi Chart of an individual with a glance at his hand. He often challenges me, to cast an Horoscope by looking at his palm. > > You would agree that the practise of Occult is very topical. If you give a surgical razor in a hand of a monkey, he may end up killing himself & a few others. Whereas in the capable hands of a surgeon, it shall give new life to the patient.> > Lal Kitab might be a modern treastise but its connotations very ancient. Let me tell you from personal experience. A friend of mine started having hallucinations & suffered from delusions. His family visited the Top Psychiatrist's at VIMHANS, he received no relief from his mental affliction. The family out of sheer desperation consulted a renowned Jyotishi, whose prescription also failed. Then they subjected him to further torture by trips to an Ojha, who pronounced that he is possessed by a Rank Dankini. > > At my behest the family consulted Late Shri PP Varma (An retired chief engineer by profession) & an adept of Lal Kitab or let us say its ancient teachings by vocation. On his prescription the family comissioned the procurement of 1,000 Lead Coins. They were placed under his mattress for 4 days & then they were offered to the river ganga at a point where it had a good flow. Lead as you might be aware is a panacea for Marine Life; particularly fish. & Fish as a species is linked to Rahu. Our Dear Rohit made a miraculous recovery from his affliction & today ably assists his father in their multicrore enterprise. > > So that is how he overcame an intense affliction of Rahu which no gomedha, SSRI Medication, no Jyotishi worth his salt was able to cure. Lal Kitab is primarily a Nature linked treastise, which first finds mention in the book Jataka-Karmadha-Padhhati, written around 10th century. > > But unfortunately, Charlatans & Scoundrels have brought it to its current state of commoditization.> > Best Rgds> Abhishek > > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:> dear richardji> > lalkitab is invented by a modern man hardly 50 years ago. it has no > rasi (zodiac signs) sytem and all it has is only houses (1 to 12) > like bhava in vedic jyotish. the exaltation and debilitation of > planets and own houses of the panets is different from that of vedic > jyotish. also in some varshaphala charts and in some calculations > you would find rahu and ketu both in same house while vedic jyotish > has a thumbrule of rahu and ketu 180 degrees apart. lalkitab stictly > prohibits giving donations or distribution of some items as they > would weaken their correlated planets whereas donation and charities > must get only merit and positive results as per vedic jyotish. the > attribution of birds and animlas to planets is different between > lalkitab and vedic jyotish. some remedies like giving jaggery as > food to the deadbodies in a graveyard and bringing water from inside > a graveyard and keeping it in the house are all just incomprehensible > in vedic jyotish. hence i suggest readers not to grope for more in > lalkitab due to their so many contradictions. to get quick money and > fame, some people in the past two decades have started promoting > their own newly invented kali (black) kitab, neeli (blue) kitab, > sunehri kitab etc. and one can ignore all these books.> > vedic jyotish itself is not a proprietary subject as such. during > the vedic era i.e. in the yugas or days when vedas were followed, the > sages wrote some books on astrology viz. bhrigu samhita, brihat > parashara hora shastra etc. and the astrology practiced based on > these original books written by the sages of vedica era is loosely > branded as vedic jyotish. there are various systems within vedic > jyotish like jaimini, varahamihira and other medieval texts which > have some contradictions with the original samhitas or shastras. > later on we have several modern astroogy systems like krishnamurti > paddhati, systems approach and numerous other systems based on > various ayanamshas and all give completely different results for the > same chart.> > but as we respect the liberty and freedom of each modern man, all > systems are good to their own followers and one can adopt a system > whiche he likes most.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy.com> > sacred-objects , "Richard Shaw-Brown" > <rsbj66@> wrote:> >> > Dear Pt ji,> > > > Namaste!!! Very nice answer. I was wondering what is the main > difference between Lal Kitab and Jyotish? Your input is greatly > appreciated,,, Y/s, Richard> > > > sacred-objects , "panditarjun2004" > <panditarjun2004@>> > wrote:> > >> > > dear friends> > >> > > besides vedic astrology, i studied lalkitab as well but did not> > > answer this query as there are more than twenty groups on > lalkitab in> > > alone and more than a hundred websites by lalkitab> > > practitioners.> > >> > > anyway let me give a simple briefing of what this lalkitab is all> > > about.> > >> > > during the british era, once lived a god gifted intuitive > foreteller> > > roopchandji in punjab (before separation of pakistan). he used to> > > speak in urdu and wrote a book in urdu giving various simple > remedies> > > to be followed even by the illiterate poorest natives in an> > > inexpensive inhouse atmosphere. only because of these simple > nature> > > and easy affordability in doing these remedies, this lalkitab > gained> > > popularity only in punjab then and in some northern states later.> > > the principles of lakitab with regard to planets is a > contradiction> > > to vedic jyotish written by various sages.> > >> > > however, i do recommend the easiest simple remedies of lalkitab as> > > they can be easily done by the poorest person. if one follows > vedic> > > jyotish, then he may not bother about lalkitab.> > >> > > since in this group we discuss only holy and sacred objects, if > any> > > one desires to find a group on lalitab, simply search lalkitab > group> > > in and you would get all the dedicated to > lalkitab.> > >> > > with best wishes and blessings> > > pandit arjun> > > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > >> > >> > > sacred-objects , Ranganath P <askranga@>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Richard> > > >> > > > Thanks for your reply for my posting.> > > >> > > > I had gone thru that site but it is expensive to get into > that,> > > thanks for referring.> > > >> > > > I did go thru other sites and i would like to refer the best > one,> > > which i have found till now.> > > >> > > > http://www.starteller.com/powerful-magic-words.html> > > >> > > > Similary, If one can do an extensive research and get simple> > > remedies to make our lives more happy that would be great.> > > >> > > > I am with you all. Lets try to get it.> > > >> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Ranga> > > >> > > >> > > > Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66@> wrote:> > > > TRY: http://www.mylalkitabupay.org/> > > >> > > > sacred-objects , "Richard Shaw-Brown"> > > <rsbj66@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sriman, it seems no one wants to answer your question.> > > Perhaps it is out of fear of> > > > disagreement. We know little about this, but there are those who> > > believe and those who> > > > reject. I don't know who is right. I personally follow "Graha-> > > Gochar-Jyotish" since 1975. I> > > > have no experience with Lal Kitab. But there are members here > who> > > know. Perhaps they> > > > will speak up...> > > > >> > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > Richard> > > > >> > > > > sacred-objects , Ranganath P <askranga@>> > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Team,> > > > > >> > > > > > I am a new joiner in this group. I need to know what is Lal> > > Kitab and for what this is> > > > > used and where can one download it.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Ranga> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Building a website is a piece of cake.> > > > > > Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your> > > story.> > > > Play Sims Stories at Games.> > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away.> Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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