Guest guest Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 Dear All, What happened to the Syamantaka ruby? What does Shastra say? Where is it today? Best wishes, Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 HERE IS AS FAR AS IT GOES IN BHAGAVATAM: SB 10.56.43: Having thus intelligently made up his mind, King Satrajit personally arranged to present Lord Krishna with his fair daughter and the Syamantaka jewel. SB 10.56.44: The Lord married Satyabhama in proper religious fashion. Possessed of excellent behavior, along with beauty, broad-mindedness and all other good qualities, she had been sought by many men. SB 10.56.45: The Supreme Personality of Godhead told Satrajit: We do not care to take this jewel back, O King. You are the Sun-god's devotee, so let it stay in your possession. Thus We will also enjoy its benefits. THEN WHAT??? Best wishes, Richard sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw-Brown " <rsbj66 wrote: > > Dear All, > > What happened to the Syamantaka ruby? What does Shastra say? Where is it today? > > Best wishes, > Richard > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 Sir, was it a Ruby or a Spinel !!! Also why some of the Jyotishi's consider Spinel to be more efficacious than Ruby. what is your experience, does a fine quality spinel match up to a ruby?? Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66 wrote: HERE IS AS FAR AS IT GOES IN BHAGAVATAM:SB 10.56.43: Having thus intelligently made up his mind, King Satrajit personally arranged to present Lord Krishna with his fair daughter and the Syamantaka jewel.SB 10.56.44: The Lord married Satyabhama in proper religious fashion. Possessed of excellent behavior, along with beauty, broad-mindedness and all other good qualities, she had been sought by many men.SB 10.56.45: The Supreme Personality of Godhead told Satrajit: We do not care to take this jewel back, O King. You are the Sun-god's devotee, so let it stay in your possession. Thus We will also enjoy its benefits.THEN WHAT???Best wishes,Richardsacred-objects , "Richard Shaw-Brown" <rsbj66 wrote:>> Dear All,> > What happened to the Syamantaka ruby? What does Shastra say? Where is it today?> > Best wishes,> Richard> Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 dear friend unfortunately, the indian government has not done enough excavations and homework on these fronts by the archealogical survey of india and other government bodies. some images taken by satellites of NASA as well as indian remote sensing agency revelaed that the erstwhile dwaraka kingdome was submerged in the sea off gujarat. in my limited knowledge, i beleive that the original syamantaka mani of lord krishna era must be (even now) somewhere under the ground in gujarat or gujarat coast alone. as per the holy scriptures viz. mahabharat and bhagavatam etc., this ruby is supposed to bestow lots of gold to the king who possess it. in olden days currency is not there and hence gold is measured for counting wealth. accordingly gujarat has been bestowed since time immemorial as the most wealthiest state in the country and the financial capital mumbai and the neighbouring maharashtra state has most of the money from the gujarat alone. india's richest industrial house reliance is hailing from gujarat and gujarat and gujaratis are obviously the most wealthiest among all indian states. in my own study on ruby in various scriptures, it is written unanimously on the following: 1. ruby represents lord sun and kshatriyas i.e. kings. hence all kings naturally used to wear a ruby in their crown. astrologically also we are living in a solar system where all planets revolve around sun and sun is the lord of our solar system. hence wearing sun's stone is the best. 2. whosoever possess a ruby (of course genuine and flawless), he would enjoy wealth and comforts like a king. 3. natives desirous of enjoying kingly comforts can wear a ruby either on their finger, wear as a pendant in their necklace or even worship it. 4. lord sun, lord vishnu, lord ram, lord krishna and all wealth giving princely clan belong to sun and ruby is a representative of all of them. here i beg to differ from other gemology theories where ruby is not recommended to natives whose sun is malefic. none of the shastras prescribe ruby as a stone giving negative affects even while all of them eulogise a ruby's significance in bestowing kingly comforts. hence it is safe to assume that ruby can be worn by all natives desirous of having kingly comforts and live like a king, without finding whether their sun is good or bad, for sun is not bad at all. of all the rudraksha i have recommended to my customers, most of them got the 12mukh rudraksha representing lord sun and the next is the 14mukh rudraksha and all the customers who got the 12 or 14mukh rudrakshas have got benefits without fail. hence, if one can afford a genuine ruby, he can safely get it from trusted suppliers like richardji and get all best things in life. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw-Brown " <rsbj66 wrote: > > HERE IS AS FAR AS IT GOES IN BHAGAVATAM: > > SB 10.56.43: Having thus intelligently made up his mind, King Satrajit personally arranged to present Lord Krishna with his fair daughter and the Syamantaka jewel. > > SB 10.56.44: The Lord married Satyabhama in proper religious fashion. Possessed of excellent behavior, along with beauty, broad- mindedness and all other good qualities, she had been sought by many men. > > SB 10.56.45: The Supreme Personality of Godhead told Satrajit: We do not care to take this jewel back, O King. You are the Sun-god's devotee, so let it stay in your possession. Thus We will also enjoy its benefits. > > THEN WHAT??? > > Best wishes, > Richard > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw-Brown " <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > What happened to the Syamantaka ruby? What does Shastra say? Where is it today? > > > > Best wishes, > > Richard > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 Dear Abhi, From Surya it must have been a ruby. But there is a theory that Syamantaka did not go down with Dwaraka, as it was in possession of Satrajit who did not live in Dwaraka. But Pandit Arjun has a good point about Gujarat's prosperity. There is also the theory that it was Taken from Hindu Rajas and renamed Timur ruby, then taken by British and named Black Princes ruby. That is now in Tower of London, and UK is not exactly a poor country. But, in fact, THAT ruby has been proved to be red spinel. In huge size like the Timur there is no different that ruby. But in general we see a one carat ruby act about the same as a 3 carat red spinel. Ruby is much more dense, and is also doubly refractive compared to spinel being singly refractive (like a diamond) - which accounts for Spinel being brighter, and often more beautiful, than rubies. I have used a 1.7 carat ruby at one time (flawless Burmese), and at another time a 3 carat flawless Burmese red spinel. The ruby seemed more potent, but the spinel was potent too. Best wishes Richard sacred-objects , Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu wrote: > > Sir, was it a Ruby or a Spinel !!! > > Also why some of the Jyotishi's consider Spinel to be more efficacious than Ruby. what is your experience, does a fine quality spinel match up to a ruby?? > > Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66 wrote: > HERE IS AS FAR AS IT GOES IN BHAGAVATAM: > > SB 10.56.43: Having thus intelligently made up his mind, King Satrajit personally arranged to present Lord Krishna with his fair daughter and the Syamantaka jewel. > > SB 10.56.44: The Lord married Satyabhama in proper religious fashion. Possessed of excellent behavior, along with beauty, broad-mindedness and all other good qualities, she had been sought by many men. > > SB 10.56.45: The Supreme Personality of Godhead told Satrajit: We do not care to take this jewel back, O King. You are the Sun-god's devotee, so let it stay in your possession. Thus We will also enjoy its benefits. > > THEN WHAT??? > > Best wishes, > Richard > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw-Brown " <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > What happened to the Syamantaka ruby? What does Shastra say? Where is it today? > > > > Best wishes, > > Richard > > > Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 Hello, You sure ruby can be worn by anyone? My birth day details are as under: Jay Munshi Place: Malad (west) Mumbai/Bombay 16th of March 1977 Time:4:34 AM I dont want to take the risk but is wearing a ruby by any chance harm me ? Please also let me know what other stones would be suitable for me to wear? Thanks and Best Regards, Jaypanditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friendunfortunately, the indian government has not done enough excavations and homework on these fronts by the archealogical survey of india and other government bodies. some images taken by satellites of NASA as well as indian remote sensing agency revelaed that the erstwhile dwaraka kingdome was submerged in the sea off gujarat.in my limited knowledge, i beleive that the original syamantaka mani of lord krishna era must be (even now) somewhere under the ground in gujarat or gujarat coast alone.as per the holy scriptures viz. mahabharat and bhagavatam etc., this ruby is supposed to bestow lots of gold to the king who possess it. in olden days currency is not there and hence gold is measured for counting wealth. accordingly gujarat has been bestowed since time immemorial as the most wealthiest state in the country and the financial capital mumbai and the neighbouring maharashtra state has most of the money from the gujarat alone. india's richest industrial house reliance is hailing from gujarat and gujarat and gujaratis are obviously the most wealthiest among all indian states.in my own study on ruby in various scriptures, it is written unanimously on the following:1. ruby represents lord sun and kshatriyas i.e. kings. hence all kings naturally used to wear a ruby in their crown. astrologically also we are living in a solar system where all planets revolve around sun and sun is the lord of our solar system. hence wearing sun's stone is the best.2. whosoever possess a ruby (of course genuine and flawless), he would enjoy wealth and comforts like a king.3. natives desirous of enjoying kingly comforts can wear a ruby either on their finger, wear as a pendant in their necklace or even worship it.4. lord sun, lord vishnu, lord ram, lord krishna and all wealth giving princely clan belong to sun and ruby is a representative of all of them.here i beg to differ from other gemology theories where ruby is not recommended to natives whose sun is malefic. none of the shastras prescribe ruby as a stone giving negative affects even while all of them eulogise a ruby's significance in bestowing kingly comforts.hence it is safe to assume that ruby can be worn by all natives desirous of having kingly comforts and live like a king, without finding whether their sun is good or bad, for sun is not bad at all.of all the rudraksha i have recommended to my customers, most of them got the 12mukh rudraksha representing lord sun and the next is the 14mukh rudraksha and all the customers who got the 12 or 14mukh rudrakshas have got benefits without fail.hence, if one can afford a genuine ruby, he can safely get it from trusted suppliers like richardji and get all best things in life.with best wishes and blessingspandit arjunwww.rudraksharemedy.comsacred-objects , "Richard Shaw-Brown" <rsbj66 wrote:>> HERE IS AS FAR AS IT GOES IN BHAGAVATAM:> > SB 10.56.43: Having thus intelligently made up his mind, King Satrajit personally arranged to present Lord Krishna with his fair daughter and the Syamantaka jewel.> > SB 10.56.44: The Lord married Satyabhama in proper religious fashion. Possessed of excellent behavior, along with beauty, broad-mindedness and all other good qualities, she had been sought by many men.> > SB 10.56.45: The Supreme Personality of Godhead told Satrajit: We do not care to take this jewel back, O King. You are the Sun-god's devotee, so let it stay in your possession. Thus We will also enjoy its benefits.> > THEN WHAT???> > Best wishes,> Richard> > sacred-objects , "Richard Shaw-Brown" <rsbj66@> wrote:> >> > Dear All,> >> > What happened to the Syamantaka ruby? What does Shastra say? Where is it today?> >> > Best wishes,> > Richard> >> Shape in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 dear friends satrajit did tapas for lord sun and this syamantaka mani is a RUBY given by lord surya himself. the syamantaka ruby was last mentioned in the bhagavatam as having left with akrura himself as lord krishna refused to accept the ruby and wanted akrura only to confirm the possession of the ruby with akrura. akrura and krishna both lived in dwaraka kingdom which is in saurashtra, gujarat. however, some books mention that brihadbanu, son of satyabhama later became the legal heir of the syamantaka ruby since it was originally owned by satrajit and since satrajit had no sons and his lone daughter satyabhama's son got this ruby. whatever be the story, the syamantaka ruby must have been within gujarat itself. the large sized ruby or redspinel with the british authorities cannot be the syamantaka ruby as the mahabharata days are thousands of years ago in history and there were no hindu kings later who got this ruby from dwapara yuga. the photos of the submerged dwaraka kingdom where krishna, akrura and all other possessors of syamantaka mani lived are made available recently and i try to dig the same and share with the group as soon as i could find. incidentally while we are discussing the greatness of syamantaka ruby and my belief that it is in gujarat, the ambani family this week became the world's richest family beating bill gates and carlos. anyway great the are the benefits of a genuine ruby and fortunate is the person who possess a real genuine ruby. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw-Brown " <rsbj66 wrote: > > Dear Abhi, > > From Surya it must have been a ruby. But there is a theory that Syamantaka did not go down with Dwaraka, as it was in possession of Satrajit who did not live in Dwaraka. But Pandit Arjun has a good point about Gujarat's prosperity. There is also the theory that it was Taken from Hindu Rajas and renamed Timur ruby, then taken by British and named Black Princes ruby. That is now in Tower of London, and UK is not exactly a poor country. But, in fact, THAT ruby has been proved to be red spinel. > > In huge size like the Timur there is no different that ruby. But in general we see a one carat ruby act about the same as a 3 carat red spinel. Ruby is much more dense, and is also doubly refractive compared to spinel being singly refractive (like a diamond) - which accounts for Spinel being brighter, and often more beautiful, than rubies. I have used a 1.7 carat ruby at one time (flawless Burmese), and at another time a 3 carat flawless Burmese red spinel. The ruby seemed more potent, but the spinel was potent too. > > Best wishes > Richard > > sacred-objects , Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu@> wrote: > > > > Sir, was it a Ruby or a Spinel !!! > > > > Also why some of the Jyotishi's consider Spinel to be more efficacious than Ruby. what > is your experience, does a fine quality spinel match up to a ruby?? > > > > Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66@> wrote: > > HERE IS AS FAR AS IT GOES IN BHAGAVATAM: > > > > SB 10.56.43: Having thus intelligently made up his mind, King Satrajit personally > arranged to present Lord Krishna with his fair daughter and the Syamantaka jewel. > > > > SB 10.56.44: The Lord married Satyabhama in proper religious fashion. Possessed of > excellent behavior, along with beauty, broad-mindedness and all other good qualities, she > had been sought by many men. > > > > SB 10.56.45: The Supreme Personality of Godhead told Satrajit: We do not care to take > this jewel back, O King. You are the Sun-god's devotee, so let it stay in your possession. > Thus We will also enjoy its benefits. > > > > THEN WHAT??? > > > > Best wishes, > > Richard > > > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw-Brown " <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > What happened to the Syamantaka ruby? What does Shastra say? Where is it today? > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 1. Influence of Ruby / red spinel: If Sun is well placed in your horoscope: The influence will be toward nobility, dignity, power, leadership, and confidence. One will be well-read, pious, strong, compassionate, and untroubled. If Sun is ill placed in your horoscope: The influence will be toward lack of confidence, low self esteem, and little energy. One will be rebellious by nature, and negative results may be expected. This is the difference... Y/s, Richard sacred-objects , Jay Munshi <jaymunshi wrote: > > Hello, > > You sure ruby can be worn by anyone? My birth day details are as under: > > Jay Munshi > Place: Malad (west) Mumbai/Bombay > 16th of March 1977 > Time:4:34 AM > > I dont want to take the risk but is wearing a ruby by any chance harm me ? > > Please also let me know what other stones would be suitable for me to wear? > > Thanks and Best Regards, > > Jay > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: > dear friend > > unfortunately, the indian government has not done enough excavations > and homework on these fronts by the archealogical survey of india and > other government bodies. some images taken by satellites of NASA as > well as indian remote sensing agency revelaed that the erstwhile > dwaraka kingdome was submerged in the sea off gujarat. > > in my limited knowledge, i beleive that the original syamantaka mani > of lord krishna era must be (even now) somewhere under the ground in > gujarat or gujarat coast alone. > > as per the holy scriptures viz. mahabharat and bhagavatam etc., this > ruby is supposed to bestow lots of gold to the king who possess it. > in olden days currency is not there and hence gold is measured for > counting wealth. accordingly gujarat has been bestowed since time > immemorial as the most wealthiest state in the country and the > financial capital mumbai and the neighbouring maharashtra state has > most of the money from the gujarat alone. india's richest industrial > house reliance is hailing from gujarat and gujarat and gujaratis are > obviously the most wealthiest among all indian states. > > in my own study on ruby in various scriptures, it is written > unanimously on the following: > > 1. ruby represents lord sun and kshatriyas i.e. kings. hence all > kings naturally used to wear a ruby in their crown. astrologically > also we are living in a solar system where all planets revolve around > sun and sun is the lord of our solar system. hence wearing sun's > stone is the best. > > 2. whosoever possess a ruby (of course genuine and flawless), he > would enjoy wealth and comforts like a king. > > 3. natives desirous of enjoying kingly comforts can wear a ruby > either on their finger, wear as a pendant in their necklace or even > worship it. > > 4. lord sun, lord vishnu, lord ram, lord krishna and all wealth > giving princely clan belong to sun and ruby is a representative of > all of them. > > here i beg to differ from other gemology theories where ruby is not > recommended to natives whose sun is malefic. none of the shastras > prescribe ruby as a stone giving negative affects even while all of > them eulogise a ruby's significance in bestowing kingly comforts. > > hence it is safe to assume that ruby can be worn by all natives > desirous of having kingly comforts and live like a king, without > finding whether their sun is good or bad, for sun is not bad at all. > > of all the rudraksha i have recommended to my customers, most of them > got the 12mukh rudraksha representing lord sun and the next is the > 14mukh rudraksha and all the customers who got the 12 or 14mukh > rudrakshas have got benefits without fail. > > hence, if one can afford a genuine ruby, he can safely get it from > trusted suppliers like richardji and get all best things in life. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw-Brown " > <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > HERE IS AS FAR AS IT GOES IN BHAGAVATAM: > > > > SB 10.56.43: Having thus intelligently made up his mind, King > Satrajit personally arranged to present Lord Krishna with his fair > daughter and the Syamantaka jewel. > > > > SB 10.56.44: The Lord married Satyabhama in proper religious > fashion. Possessed of excellent behavior, along with beauty, broad- > mindedness and all other good qualities, she had been sought by many > men. > > > > SB 10.56.45: The Supreme Personality of Godhead told Satrajit: We > do not care to take this jewel back, O King. You are the Sun-god's > devotee, so let it stay in your possession. Thus We will also enjoy > its benefits. > > > > THEN WHAT??? > > > > Best wishes, > > Richard > > > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw-Brown " > <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > What happened to the Syamantaka ruby? What does Shastra say? > Where is it today? > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Richard > > > > > > Shape in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 Dear Pt Arjun. Amazing. Yes, Gujarat! You're right, it does seem amazing that we could possess something from 5000 years ago, yet there are trees alive today in Northern California that were alive when Lord Krishna walked this Earth. I have seen them. And to touch them, and think about Krishna, is automatic. And gems last millions of years, almost indestructable, like a ruby, so it could be that the same Syamantaka Gem is also above ground in Gujarat. If I had the Syamantaka gem I would tell no one. Perhaps the Ambani family have it hidden away. Your case that the Syamantaka Gem is in Gujarat is a strong one and most likely so. Pranams, Richard sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear friends > > satrajit did tapas for lord sun and this syamantaka mani is a RUBY > given by lord surya himself. > > the syamantaka ruby was last mentioned in the bhagavatam as having > left with akrura himself as lord krishna refused to accept the ruby > and wanted akrura only to confirm the possession of the ruby with > akrura. akrura and krishna both lived in dwaraka kingdom which is in > saurashtra, gujarat. however, some books mention that brihadbanu, > son of satyabhama later became the legal heir of the syamantaka ruby > since it was originally owned by satrajit and since satrajit had no > sons and his lone daughter satyabhama's son got this ruby. whatever > be the story, the syamantaka ruby must have been within gujarat > itself. > > the large sized ruby or redspinel with the british authorities cannot > be the syamantaka ruby as the mahabharata days are thousands of years > ago in history and there were no hindu kings later who got this ruby > from dwapara yuga. the photos of the submerged dwaraka kingdom where > krishna, akrura and all other possessors of syamantaka mani lived are > made available recently and i try to dig the same and share with the > group as soon as i could find. > > incidentally while we are discussing the greatness of syamantaka ruby > and my belief that it is in gujarat, the ambani family this week > became the world's richest family beating bill gates and carlos. > > anyway great the are the benefits of a genuine ruby and fortunate is > the person who possess a real genuine ruby. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw-Brown " > <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > Dear Abhi, > > > > From Surya it must have been a ruby. But there is a theory that > Syamantaka did not go down with Dwaraka, as it was in possession of > Satrajit who did not live in Dwaraka. But Pandit Arjun has a good > point about Gujarat's prosperity. There is also the theory that it > was Taken from Hindu Rajas and renamed Timur ruby, then taken by > British and named Black Princes ruby. That is now in Tower of London, > and UK is not exactly a poor country. But, in fact, THAT ruby has > been proved to be red spinel. > > > > In huge size like the Timur there is no different that ruby. But in > general we see a one carat ruby act about the same as a 3 carat red > spinel. Ruby is much more dense, and is also doubly refractive > compared to spinel being singly refractive (like a diamond) - which > accounts for Spinel being brighter, and often more beautiful, than > rubies. I have used a 1.7 carat ruby at one time (flawless Burmese), > and at another time a 3 carat flawless Burmese red spinel. The ruby > seemed more potent, but the spinel was potent too. > > > > Best wishes > > Richard > > > > sacred-objects , Abhishek Dutta > <benarsibabu@> wrote: > > > > > > Sir, was it a Ruby or a Spinel !!! > > > > > > Also why some of the Jyotishi's consider Spinel to be more > efficacious than Ruby. what > > is your experience, does a fine quality spinel match up to a ruby?? > > > > > > Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > HERE IS AS FAR AS IT GOES IN BHAGAVATAM: > > > > > > SB 10.56.43: Having thus intelligently made up his mind, King > Satrajit personally > > arranged to present Lord Krishna with his fair daughter and the > Syamantaka jewel. > > > > > > SB 10.56.44: The Lord married Satyabhama in proper religious > fashion. Possessed of > > excellent behavior, along with beauty, broad-mindedness and all > other good qualities, she > > had been sought by many men. > > > > > > SB 10.56.45: The Supreme Personality of Godhead told Satrajit: We > do not care to take > > this jewel back, O King. You are the Sun-god's devotee, so let it > stay in your possession. > > Thus We will also enjoy its benefits. > > > > > > THEN WHAT??? > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Richard > > > > > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw-Brown " > <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > What happened to the Syamantaka ruby? What does Shastra say? > Where is it today? > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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