Guest guest Posted September 21, 2007 Report Share Posted September 21, 2007 Here's a clue Television Kaustubha Jewel Sri Svapna-vilasamrtastaka Eight Prayers Describing Nectar Pastimes in Her Dream by Srila Visvanath Chakravarti Thakur 1 priya svapne drsta saridina-sutevatra pulinam yatha vrndaranye natana-patavas tatra bahavah mrdangadyam vadyam vividham iha kascid dvija-manih sa vidyud-gaurangah ksipati jagatim prema-jaladhau Srimati Radharani said: Beloved, in a dream I saw a river shore like the Yamuna here. There were many expert dancers as in Vrindavan. There were mridangas and other instruments. There was a brahmana jewel as splendid as lightning who was tossing the universe into an ocean of pure love. 2 kadacit krsneti pralapati rudan karhicid asau kva radhe ha heti svasiti patati projjhati dhrtim nataty ullasena kvacid api ganaih svaih pranayibhis trnadi-brahmantam jagad atitaram rodayati sah Sometimes He calls out: "O Krishna!" and sometimes He sighs: "O Radha, where are You?" Sometimes He falls to the ground, sometimes He acts wildly, losing all composure, and sometimes He dances ecstatically with His loving associates. He has made all the residents of this world, from the blades of grass up to Lord Brahma, loudly call out the name of Krishna. 3 tato buddhir bhranta mama samajani preksya kim aho bhavet so 'yam kantah kim ayam aham evasmi na parah aham cet kva preyan mama sa kila cet kvaham iti me bhramo bhuyo bhuyan abhavad atha nidram gatavati As I gazed at Him, My intelligence became bewildered. If He is my lover, where am I? If He is I, where is My lover? If He is My lover, where am I? As I slept, I became more and more bewildered. 4 priye drstva tas tah kutukini maya darsita-cari ramesadya murtir na khalu bhavati vismayam agat katham vipro vismapayitum asakat tvam tava katham tatha bhrantim dhatte sa hi bhavati ko hanta kim idam Sri Krishna said: O inquisitive girl, when I showed You Narayana and My other forms You were not surprised. Why does this brahmana surprise You? Why does He bewilder You so You say "Who is He?" 5 iti procya prestham ksanam atha paramrsya ramano hasann akuta jnam vyanudad atha tam kaustubha-manim tatha diptim tene sapadi sa yatha drstim iti tad vilasanam laksmam sthira-cara-ganaih sarvam abhavat After speaking these words to His beloved, the smiling lover, Krishna, touched His Kaustubha jewel. The jewel, understanding the Lord's intent, glowed and then showed all the same pastimes and all the moving and non moving entities She saw in her dream. 6 vibhavyatha proce priyatama maya jnatam akhilam tavakutam yat tvam smitam atanuthas tattvam asi mam sphutam yan navadir yad abhimatir atrapy aham iti sphuranti me tasmad aham api sa evety anumime Srimati Radharani reflected for a moment and said: Beloved, I know what is in Your heart now that makes You smile. You are He. What You have said and thought is now clear to Me, and therefore I think I am also He. 7 yad apy asmakinam rati-padam idam kaustubha-manim pradipyatraivadidrsad akhila-jivan api bhavan sva-saktyavirbhuya svam akhila-vilasam pratijanam nigadya premabdhau punar api tadahasyasi jagat Making this Kaustubha jewel, which is so delightful to Us, shine in this way, You have revealed Yourself to all living entities. By Your own transcendental potency You will appear, display Your pastimes, teach everyone, and again plunge the world into the ocean of pure love. 8 yad uktam gargena vraja-pati-samaksam sruti-vida bhavet pito varnah kvacid api tavaitan na hi mrsa atah svapnah satyo mama ca na tada bhrantir abhavat tvam evasau saksad iha yad anubhuto 'si tad-rtam In the king of Vraja's presence, the learned Vedic scholar Gargacharya said that You will appear with a yellow complexion. He did not lie. This dream of Mine is true. It is not an illusion. In this dream I have directly seen You. 9 pibed yasya svapnamrtam idam aho citta-madhupah sa sandeha-svapnat tvaritam iha jagarti su-matih avaptas caitanyam pranaya-jaladhau khelati yato bhrsam dhatte tasminn atula-karunam kunja-nrpatau If the bumble-bee of the reader's mind drinks the nectar of this Svapna-vilasamrta, then that intelligent reader will quickly awaken from the dream of materialistic doubt. Such a reader will attain Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. He will sport in the ocean of pure love. He will attain the peerless mercy of the king of Vrindavan. Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote: REPLY: Namaste! Thanks for those quotes (slim pickings). It seemsexcept forMahabharat, Radha is not mentioned by name? (You have written "She").It seems Radharani is the highest secret and somehow not mentioned byVyasa. It's almost like a Vedic "cover-up." So my question is if Sheis a secret in Shastra, then why is She being openly promoted bycertain groups? Any Vedantist could defeat a Radha-Krishna bhakta basedon the tiny referrence and little importance given in Shastra. It seems that only the contemporary writers (after 10th century) haveexposed and openly promoted Radha Krishna worship. Some of their books,like Govinda-Lilamrita by Kaviraj Goswami, written only 300 years ago,describe the Asta-Kaliya-Nitya-Lila - which details (only fromrealization of author) the activities of Radha and Krishna inGolok-Vraja-Dham as divided into 8 parts of each day of the Nitya Lilawithin Paravyoma. But this is recent, not shastric. I once directly asked AC Bhativedanta Prabhupada about this and he saidAsta KaliyaLila was the REAL "nitya-lila" detail. He also allowed me to add"asta-kaliya-lila" in sloka 10 off his translation of Upadeshamrita(Nectar of Instruction) which I did with HDG in late 1973.THere MUST be some reason why Radha-Krishna are not more supported byShastra, specially, Gita, SB, and Brahma Sutras, and Upanishads. It canonly point to a possibler secret conspiracy, where Vyasa didn't revealRadharani. It is "fables" more than Shastra.So why is it being pushed onto the masses? That is my question. If itis a secret then why promote? Do they think that Vyasa "forgot?"Radha Krishna Prema is (said to be) the rarest possible attainment by ajivatma inthis samsar. Even Krishna, in BG, advises us against openly giving BGknowledge to unqualified people (what to speak of the masses). So whatis going on is a mystery to me??Best wishes,Richard> > Dear Sh. Richard ji,> > I agree with everything you said.> We don't have any direct reference to Smt. Radharani is SB but it is> there (as per the link) in different puranas. It is also not clear to> me too why Smt. Radharani is not mentioned in SB which was wrote in> last by Sage Ved Vyasa.> > Excerpt from the link:> - appearance: Puranas give different versions about Her birth,> according to different kalpas.> > 1. She was born in Gokula as a daughter of Vrsabhanu and Kalavati.> (Brahmavaivarta > Purana 2.49.35-42, Narada Purana 2.81, Raghunatha dasa Gosvami's> Vraja-vilasa-stava)> > 2. When King Vrsabhanu was preparing the ground to conduct a yajna,> he found > Her in the earth, as Bhumi-kanya ("earth-girl", similarly to> Sitadevi who was > found in the wooden box buried in the earth, similar to black> Madonnas). (Padma > Purana, Brahma Purana 7)> > 3. She was born from the left side of Krsna. (Brahmavaivarta> Purana)> > 4. At Krsna's birth Visnu asked His attendants to be born on earth.> Radha took > Her birth in Gokula under the star Jyestha in the morning of> Suklastami day > in Bhadrapada month. (Mahabharata Adi Parva 11)> > In another kalpa she is found in Yamuna river on a golden lotus by> Maharaja > Vrsabhanu.Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2007 Report Share Posted September 21, 2007 Hi David, Thanks for that amrita. Yes, Lord Chaitanya & his followers gave all this info. But it is all modern day...not Vedic as written by Vyasa or told by Sukadeva. The BGita has no Radha, the Upanishads have no Radha, the Vedanta Sutras have no Radha, and even the Bhagavatam has no Radha. So it seems to be modern religion (which I follow). So I was just wondering WHY Radha is not mentioned in the Vedic literature. What's with Vyasadeva? Is She meant to be a secret? If so, then what's the big deal now? Best wishes Richard sacred-objects , David Sherk <gadaidasa wrote: > > Here's a clue Television Kaustubha Jewel > > Sri Svapna-vilasamrtastaka > Eight Prayers Describing Nectar Pastimes in Her Dream by Srila Visvanath Chakravarti Thakur > 1 priya svapne drsta saridina-sutevatra pulinam > yatha vrndaranye natana-patavas tatra bahavah > mrdangadyam vadyam vividham iha kascid dvija-manih > sa vidyud-gaurangah ksipati jagatim prema-jaladhau > Srimati Radharani said: Beloved, in a dream I saw a river shore like the Yamuna here. There were many expert dancers as in Vrindavan. There were mridangas and other instruments. There was a brahmana jewel as splendid as lightning who was tossing the universe into an ocean of pure love. > 2 kadacit krsneti pralapati rudan karhicid asau > kva radhe ha heti svasiti patati projjhati dhrtim > nataty ullasena kvacid api ganaih svaih pranayibhis > trnadi-brahmantam jagad atitaram rodayati sah > Sometimes He calls out: " O Krishna! " and sometimes He sighs: " O Radha, where are You? " Sometimes He falls to the ground, sometimes He acts wildly, losing all composure, and sometimes He dances ecstatically with His loving associates. He has made all the residents of this world, from the blades of grass up to Lord Brahma, loudly call out the name of Krishna. > 3 tato buddhir bhranta mama samajani preksya kim aho > bhavet so 'yam kantah kim ayam aham evasmi na parah > aham cet kva preyan mama sa kila cet kvaham iti me > bhramo bhuyo bhuyan abhavad atha nidram gatavati > As I gazed at Him, My intelligence became bewildered. If He is my lover, where am I? If He is I, where is My lover? If He is My lover, where am I? As I slept, I became more and more bewildered. > 4 priye drstva tas tah kutukini maya darsita-cari > ramesadya murtir na khalu bhavati vismayam agat > katham vipro vismapayitum asakat tvam tava katham > tatha bhrantim dhatte sa hi bhavati ko hanta kim idam > Sri Krishna said: O inquisitive girl, when I showed You Narayana and My other forms You were not surprised. Why does this brahmana surprise You? Why does He bewilder You so You say " Who is He? " > 5 iti procya prestham ksanam atha paramrsya ramano > hasann akuta jnam vyanudad atha tam kaustubha-manim > tatha diptim tene sapadi sa yatha drstim iti tad > vilasanam laksmam sthira-cara-ganaih sarvam abhavat > After speaking these words to His beloved, the smiling lover, Krishna, touched His Kaustubha jewel. The jewel, understanding the Lord's intent, glowed and then showed all the same pastimes and all the moving and non moving entities She saw in her dream. > 6 vibhavyatha proce priyatama maya jnatam akhilam > tavakutam yat tvam smitam atanuthas tattvam asi mam > sphutam yan navadir yad abhimatir atrapy aham iti > sphuranti me tasmad aham api sa evety anumime > Srimati Radharani reflected for a moment and said: Beloved, I know what is in Your heart now that makes You smile. You are He. What You have said and thought is now clear to Me, and therefore I think I am also He. > 7 yad apy asmakinam rati-padam idam kaustubha-manim > pradipyatraivadidrsad akhila-jivan api bhavan > sva-saktyavirbhuya svam akhila-vilasam pratijanam > nigadya premabdhau punar api tadahasyasi jagat > Making this Kaustubha jewel, which is so delightful to Us, shine in this way, You have revealed Yourself to all living entities. By Your own transcendental potency You will appear, display Your pastimes, teach everyone, and again plunge the world into the ocean of pure love. > 8 yad uktam gargena vraja-pati-samaksam sruti-vida > bhavet pito varnah kvacid api tavaitan na hi mrsa > atah svapnah satyo mama ca na tada bhrantir abhavat > tvam evasau saksad iha yad anubhuto 'si tad-rtam > In the king of Vraja's presence, the learned Vedic scholar Gargacharya said that You will appear with a yellow complexion. He did not lie. This dream of Mine is true. It is not an illusion. In this dream I have directly seen You. > 9 pibed yasya svapnamrtam idam aho citta-madhupah > sa sandeha-svapnat tvaritam iha jagarti su-matih > avaptas caitanyam pranaya-jaladhau khelati yato > bhrsam dhatte tasminn atula-karunam kunja-nrpatau > If the bumble-bee of the reader's mind drinks the nectar of this Svapna-vilasamrta, then that intelligent reader will quickly awaken from the dream of materialistic doubt. Such a reader will attain Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. He will sport in the ocean of pure love. He will attain the peerless mercy of the king of Vrindavan. > > > > > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote: > REPLY: Namaste! Thanks for those quotes (slim pickings). It seems > except for > Mahabharat, Radha is not mentioned by name? (You have written " She " ). > It seems Radharani is the highest secret and somehow not mentioned by > Vyasa. It's almost like a Vedic " cover-up. " So my question is if She > is a secret in Shastra, then why is She being openly promoted by > certain groups? Any Vedantist could defeat a Radha-Krishna bhakta based > on the tiny referrence and little importance given in Shastra. > > It seems that only the contemporary writers (after 10th century) have > exposed and openly promoted Radha Krishna worship. Some of their books, > like Govinda-Lilamrita by Kaviraj Goswami, written only 300 years ago, > describe the Asta-Kaliya-Nitya-Lila - which details (only from > realization of author) the activities of Radha and Krishna in > Golok-Vraja-Dham as divided into 8 parts of each day of the Nitya Lila > within Paravyoma. But this is recent, not shastric. > > I once directly asked AC Bhativedanta Prabhupada about this and he said > Asta Kaliya > Lila was the REAL " nitya-lila " detail. He also allowed me to add > " asta-kaliya-lila " in sloka 10 off his translation of Upadeshamrita > (Nectar of Instruction) which I did with HDG in late 1973. > > THere MUST be some reason why Radha-Krishna are not more supported by > Shastra, specially, Gita, SB, and Brahma Sutras, and Upanishads. It can > only point to a possibler secret conspiracy, where Vyasa didn't reveal > Radharani. It is " fables " more than Shastra. > > So why is it being pushed onto the masses? That is my question. If it > is a secret then why promote? Do they think that Vyasa " forgot? " > > Radha Krishna Prema is (said to be) the rarest possible attainment by a > jivatma in > this samsar. Even Krishna, in BG, advises us against openly giving BG > knowledge to unqualified people (what to speak of the masses). So what > is going on is a mystery to me?? > > Best wishes, > Richard > > > > > Dear Sh. Richard ji, > > > > I agree with everything you said. > > We don't have any direct reference to Smt. Radharani is SB but it is > > there (as per the link) in different puranas. It is also not clear to > > me too why Smt. Radharani is not mentioned in SB which was wrote in > > last by Sage Ved Vyasa. > > > > Excerpt from the link: > > - appearance: Puranas give different versions about Her birth, > > according to different kalpas. > > > > 1. She was born in Gokula as a daughter of Vrsabhanu and Kalavati. > > (Brahmavaivarta > > Purana 2.49.35-42, Narada Purana 2.81, Raghunatha dasa Gosvami's > > Vraja-vilasa-stava) > > > > 2. When King Vrsabhanu was preparing the ground to conduct a yajna, > > he found > > Her in the earth, as Bhumi-kanya ( " earth-girl " , similarly to > > Sitadevi who was > > found in the wooden box buried in the earth, similar to black > > Madonnas). (Padma > > Purana, Brahma Purana 7) > > > > 3. She was born from the left side of Krsna. (Brahmavaivarta > > Purana) > > > > 4. At Krsna's birth Visnu asked His attendants to be born on earth. > > Radha took > > Her birth in Gokula under the star Jyestha in the morning of > > Suklastami day > > in Bhadrapada month. (Mahabharata Adi Parva 11) > > > > In another kalpa she is found in Yamuna river on a golden lotus by > > Maharaja > > Vrsabhanu. > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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