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Dear All,

 

Namaste!!! It would be an interesting exercise to try to place

different religions as either advaita siddhanta or dvaita siddhanta.

Siddha-anta is goal. Veda-anta is knowledge, Every religion has it's

veda-anta or philosophy (vidya=knowledge), and siddha-anta or goal

(siddhi=attainment), and these are either dvaitavad or advaitavad. Even

Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, who joined the two in his presentation of vedaved

warned that it was " acintya " or unthinkable, and finally he is

dvaitavadin or astik descended from Madhva Sampradaya. So the exercise

is to place the below religions as either advaita (impersonalism) or

dvaita (personalism):

 

Catholic

Jewish

Protestant

Islam

Jain

Shinto

Zorastrian

Sikh

Sufism

Buddhism

Hinduism

-Shankara

-Ramanuja

-Vishnu Swami

-Nimbarka

-Madhva

-Chaitanya

-Vallabha

-Patanjali

-Charvak

-Rama Krishna Mission

-Cinmoy Mission

-Ramanandi

-Swami Narayana

-SRF (Self Realization Fellowship)

-Satya Sai Baba

-Agori

Zen

Scientology

Radha Swomi

 

Can anyone return this list with categories, either advaita or dvaita?

This is just an exercise in philosophy, not a message nor opinion nor

arguement. Each of the above has it's siddhanta, either monism or

dualism. If we consider these things it will be interesting and

beneficial. Please excuse if I missed any religion, and welcome to add

any religion.

 

Best wishes,

Richard

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Richardji,

 

The very act of labelling advaita as impersonalism and dvaita as the opposite is a very strong opinion that usually cites argument from the get go.

 

Blessings,

 

Surya

 

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Thursday, September 06, 2007 7:30 AM

World Religions by Category

 

 

Dear All,Namaste!!! It would be an interesting exercise to try to placedifferent religions as either advaita siddhanta or dvaita siddhanta.Siddha-anta is goal. Veda-anta is knowledge, Every religion has it'sveda-anta or philosophy (vidya=knowledge), and siddha-anta or goal(siddhi=attainment), and these are either dvaitavad or advaitavad. EvenChaitanya Mahaprabhu, who joined the two in his presentation of vedavedwarned that it was "acintya" or unthinkable, and finally he isdvaitavadin or astik descended from Madhva Sampradaya. So the exerciseis to place the below religions as either advaita (impersonalism) ordvaita (personalism):CatholicJewishProtestantIslamJainShintoZorastrianSikhSufismBuddhismHinduism -Shankara-Ramanuja-Vishnu Swami-Nimbarka-Madhva-Chaitanya-Vallabha-Patanjali-Charvak-Rama Krishna Mission-Cinmoy Mission-Ramanandi-Swami Narayana-SRF (Self Realization Fellowship)-Satya Sai Baba-AgoriZenScientologyRadha SwomiCan anyone return this list with categories, either advaita or dvaita?This is just an exercise in philosophy, not a message nor opinion norarguement. Each of the above has it's siddhanta, either monism ordualism. If we consider these things it will be interesting andbeneficial. Please excuse if I missed any religion, and welcome to addany religion.Best wishes,RichardSend instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.

 

 

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Dear Sriman,

 

39 years ago I read The Brahmasutra tika by Shankar. In there he was very expert

in

establishing nirveshesh, nirgun, nirakar brahman or impersonalism (aham

brahmasmi/tat

tvamasi). I also read Govinda Bhasya by Baladev - tika of Brahmasutra (antar

bhuta-

gramavat-svatmanah). In there he was very expert in establishing sakar para

brahma as

being Bhagavan, the super soul Who he establishes is always a person ruling over

maya

and the jivatmas. The Supreme Person. Intelligent design creation. These two

acharyas

have established personalism and the opposite. It is not my opinion. If you read

the

differing tikas of Brahmasutra it will be clear that it is the intention of the

achayas to

establish personalism and impersonalism. This is well known to every reader of

Brahma-

sutra. But if they read ONLY the advaitavad OR only the dvaitavad tika, then

they are hardly

able to choose. It's like what is the difference between sweet and salty. If one

has ONLY

tasted salty then that's all they know. Same with dvaita and advaita, having

studied both, I

understand both. The arguements the counter-logic, the praman. But please, why

not

engage in the exercise as I requested? Please give us your knowledge of the

worlds

different religions, dvaita (personal) or advaita (impersonal): Please. Tell us

what they are?

Theism or atheism?

 

Best wishes,

Richard

 

sacred-objects , " Mahamuni Das " <mahamuni wrote:

>

> Richardji,

>

> The very act of labelling advaita as impersonalism and dvaita as the opposite

is a very

strong opinion that usually cites argument from the get go.

>

> Blessings,

>

> Surya

> -

> Richard Shaw Brown

> Astral-Talismans ; Occult Astral Talismans ; planetary-

gemology ; sacred-objects ; vedic-sacred-

objects

> Thursday, September 06, 2007 7:30 AM

> World Religions by Category

>

>

> Dear All,

>

> Namaste!!! It would be an interesting exercise to try to place

> different religions as either advaita siddhanta or dvaita siddhanta.

> Siddha-anta is goal. Veda-anta is knowledge, Every religion has it's

> veda-anta or philosophy (vidya=knowledge), and siddha-anta or goal

> (siddhi=attainment), and these are either dvaitavad or advaitavad. Even

> Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, who joined the two in his presentation of vedaved

> warned that it was " acintya " or unthinkable, and finally he is

> dvaitavadin or astik descended from Madhva Sampradaya. So the exercise

> is to place the below religions as either advaita (impersonalism) or

> dvaita (personalism):

>

> Catholic

> Jewish

> Protestant

> Islam

> Jain

> Shinto

> Zorastrian

> Sikh

> Sufism

> Buddhism

> Hinduism

> -Shankara

> -Ramanuja

> -Vishnu Swami

> -Nimbarka

> -Madhva

> -Chaitanya

> -Vallabha

> -Patanjali

> -Charvak

> -Rama Krishna Mission

> -Cinmoy Mission

> -Ramanandi

> -Swami Narayana

> -SRF (Self Realization Fellowship)

> -Satya Sai Baba

> -Agori

> Zen

> Scientology

> Radha Swomi

>

> Can anyone return this list with categories, either advaita or dvaita?

> This is just an exercise in philosophy, not a message nor opinion nor

> arguement. Each of the above has it's siddhanta, either monism or

> dualism. If we consider these things it will be interesting and

> beneficial. Please excuse if I missed any religion, and welcome to add

> any religion.

>

> Best wishes,

> Richard

>

> Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.

>

>

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Dear Maharaji,

 

Actually I have read and studied both. Studied the advaitic translations with several teachers and the dvaitic at the ISKCON temple in Brooklyn some 25 years back. My conclusions are quite different from yours.

 

I have ZERO interest in arguing based upon academic understanding, which is where you pointed out you are coming from. I find that sort of thing pretty useless and time wasting...which is a big deal because life is VERY short.

 

To state that even the formless form of God/Goddess is "impersonal" is silly and devoid of experiential and logical understanding, IMHO and in my humble experience.

 

God/Goddess in every conceivable form is ALL Personal.

 

Prostrations,

 

Surya

 

-

Richard Shaw-Brown

sacred-objects

Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:02 PM

Re: World Religions by Category

 

 

Dear Sriman, 39 years ago I read The Brahmasutra tika by Shankar. In there he was very expert in establishing nirveshesh, nirgun, nirakar brahman or impersonalism (aham brahmasmi/tat tvamasi). I also read Govinda Bhasya by Baladev - tika of Brahmasutra (antar bhuta-gramavat-svatmanah). In there he was very expert in establishing sakar para brahma as being Bhagavan, the super soul Who he establishes is always a person ruling over maya and the jivatmas. The Supreme Person. Intelligent design creation. These two acharyas have established personalism and the opposite. It is not my opinion. If you read the differing tikas of Brahmasutra it will be clear that it is the intention of the achayas to establish personalism and impersonalism. This is well known to every reader of Brahma- sutra. But if they read ONLY the advaitavad OR only the dvaitavad tika, then they are hardly able to choose. It's like what is the difference between sweet and salty. If one has ONLY tasted salty then that's all they know. Same with dvaita and advaita, having studied both, I understand both. The arguements the counter-logic, the praman. But please, why not engage in the exercise as I requested? Please give us your knowledge of the worlds different religions, dvaita (personal) or advaita (impersonal): Please. Tell us what they are? Theism or atheism?Best wishes,Richardsacred-objects , "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni wrote:>> Richardji,> > The very act of labelling advaita as impersonalism and dvaita as the opposite is a very strong opinion that usually cites argument from the get go.> > Blessings,> > Surya> - > Richard Shaw Brown > Astral-Talismans ; Occult Astral Talismans ; planetary-gemology ; sacred-objects ; vedic-sacred-objects > Thursday, September 06, 2007 7:30 AM> World Religions by Category> > > Dear All,> > Namaste!!! It would be an interesting exercise to try to place> different religions as either advaita siddhanta or dvaita siddhanta.> Siddha-anta is goal. Veda-anta is knowledge, Every religion has it's> veda-anta or philosophy (vidya=knowledge), and siddha-anta or goal> (siddhi=attainment), and these are either dvaitavad or advaitavad. Even> Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, who joined the two in his presentation of vedaved> warned that it was "acintya" or unthinkable, and finally he is> dvaitavadin or astik descended from Madhva Sampradaya. So the exercise> is to place the below religions as either advaita (impersonalism) or> dvaita (personalism):> > Catholic> Jewish> Protestant> Islam> Jain> Shinto> Zorastrian> Sikh> Sufism> Buddhism> Hinduism > -Shankara> -Ramanuja> -Vishnu Swami> -Nimbarka> -Madhva> -Chaitanya> -Vallabha> -Patanjali> -Charvak> -Rama Krishna Mission> -Cinmoy Mission> -Ramanandi> -Swami Narayana> -SRF (Self Realization Fellowship)> -Satya Sai Baba> -Agori> Zen> Scientology> Radha Swomi> > Can anyone return this list with categories, either advaita or dvaita?> This is just an exercise in philosophy, not a message nor opinion nor> arguement. Each of the above has it's siddhanta, either monism or> dualism. If we consider these things it will be interesting and> beneficial. Please excuse if I missed any religion, and welcome to add> any religion.> > Best wishes,> Richard> > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > ---------------------------> > > > > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.7/992 - Release 9/6/2007 8:36 AM>

 

 

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Dear Sriman,

 

What about the exercise? If you cannot do it that is OK?

 

Best wishes,

Richard

 

sacred-objects , " Mahamuni Das " <mahamuni wrote:

>

>

>

> Dear Maharaji,

>

> Actually I have read and studied both. Studied the advaitic translations with

several

teachers and the dvaitic at the ISKCON temple in Brooklyn some 25 years back.

My

conclusions are quite different from yours.

>

> I have ZERO interest in arguing based upon academic understanding, which is

where you

pointed out you are coming from. I find that sort of thing pretty useless and

time

wasting...which is a big deal because life is VERY short.

>

> To state that even the formless form of God/Goddess is " impersonal " is silly

and devoid

of experiential and logical understanding, IMHO and in my humble experience.

>

> God/Goddess in every conceivable form is ALL Personal.

>

> Prostrations,

>

> Surya

> -

> Richard Shaw-Brown

> sacred-objects

> Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:02 PM

> Re: World Religions by Category

>

>

> Dear Sriman,

>

> 39 years ago I read The Brahmasutra tika by Shankar. In there he was very

expert in

> establishing nirveshesh, nirgun, nirakar brahman or impersonalism (aham

brahmasmi/

tat

> tvamasi). I also read Govinda Bhasya by Baladev - tika of Brahmasutra (antar

bhuta-

> gramavat-svatmanah). In there he was very expert in establishing sakar para

brahma

as

> being Bhagavan, the super soul Who he establishes is always a person ruling

over maya

> and the jivatmas. The Supreme Person. Intelligent design creation. These two

acharyas

> have established personalism and the opposite. It is not my opinion. If you

read the

> differing tikas of Brahmasutra it will be clear that it is the intention of

the achayas to

> establish personalism and impersonalism. This is well known to every reader

of

Brahma-

> sutra. But if they read ONLY the advaitavad OR only the dvaitavad tika, then

they are

hardly

> able to choose. It's like what is the difference between sweet and salty. If

one has ONLY

> tasted salty then that's all they know. Same with dvaita and advaita, having

studied

both, I

> understand both. The arguements the counter-logic, the praman. But please,

why not

> engage in the exercise as I requested? Please give us your knowledge of the

worlds

> different religions, dvaita (personal) or advaita (impersonal): Please. Tell

us what they

are?

> Theism or atheism?

>

> Best wishes,

> Richard

>

> sacred-objects , " Mahamuni Das " <mahamuni@> wrote:

> >

> > Richardji,

> >

> > The very act of labelling advaita as impersonalism and dvaita as the

opposite is a

very

> strong opinion that usually cites argument from the get go.

> >

> > Blessings,

> >

> > Surya

> > -

> > Richard Shaw Brown

> > Astral-Talismans ; Occult Astral Talismans ; planetary-

> gemology ; sacred-objects ; vedic-sacred-

> objects

> > Thursday, September 06, 2007 7:30 AM

> > World Religions by Category

> >

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > Namaste!!! It would be an interesting exercise to try to place

> > different religions as either advaita siddhanta or dvaita siddhanta.

> > Siddha-anta is goal. Veda-anta is knowledge, Every religion has it's

> > veda-anta or philosophy (vidya=knowledge), and siddha-anta or goal

> > (siddhi=attainment), and these are either dvaitavad or advaitavad. Even

> > Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, who joined the two in his presentation of vedaved

> > warned that it was " acintya " or unthinkable, and finally he is

> > dvaitavadin or astik descended from Madhva Sampradaya. So the exercise

> > is to place the below religions as either advaita (impersonalism) or

> > dvaita (personalism):

> >

> > Catholic

> > Jewish

> > Protestant

> > Islam

> > Jain

> > Shinto

> > Zorastrian

> > Sikh

> > Sufism

> > Buddhism

> > Hinduism

> > -Shankara

> > -Ramanuja

> > -Vishnu Swami

> > -Nimbarka

> > -Madhva

> > -Chaitanya

> > -Vallabha

> > -Patanjali

> > -Charvak

> > -Rama Krishna Mission

> > -Cinmoy Mission

> > -Ramanandi

> > -Swami Narayana

> > -SRF (Self Realization Fellowship)

> > -Satya Sai Baba

> > -Agori

> > Zen

> > Scientology

> > Radha Swomi

> >

> > Can anyone return this list with categories, either advaita or dvaita?

> > This is just an exercise in philosophy, not a message nor opinion nor

> > arguement. Each of the above has it's siddhanta, either monism or

> > dualism. If we consider these things it will be interesting and

> > beneficial. Please excuse if I missed any religion, and welcome to add

> > any religion.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Richard

> >

> > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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