Guest guest Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 Dear All, It is amazing. If you want to see action in this group, then just question goal dhana Eka Mukhi. Late Kali Baba of Nepal had a genuine goal dhana eka mukhi. For certain. Seeing very closely is believing. And Kali Baba deserved Eka Mukhi. Actually Eka Mukhi is the ornament of Advaitavadins, tyagis, not Grihastas. I wouldn't wear an eka mukhi even if I had one. I would worship it as Lord Shiva. In my opinion Chaturdasha Mukhi is the ultimate for Grihastas. Y/s, Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 dear brother richard you are truly blessed to see the original round ek mukh rudraksha with your trusted late kalibaba. hope this answers to disbelievers who call it a myth. elementary truth is that one would find several mukhi rudraksha coming from the same tree. so if one finds only one line naturally developed in a round rudraksha bead, he must construe it as a one mukh rudraksha. i challenge openly with all those laboratary test hungry disbelievers to prove 14 locules in a 14mukh rudraksha and 13 locules in a 13mukh rudraksha. if they start mentioning exceptions and impossibilities, then they must not preach locules as a certain rule to decipher the number of lines external matching the number of locules within. the gods and sages have only advised to COUNT the number of lines ON the rudraksha and i follow only that method treating it as a holy divine product with the invisible god dwelling in it. hence rudraksha is a matter of solicitation and a holy object of faith. a person who has faith in the sacred object and in the person who provides that, buys it. a person not having faith does not buy it. it is as simple as it is. hence there is no need for us to have two groups of believers and disbelievers fighting each other to prove their theory is correct. after all, we are all having the same objective of serving the natives by providing them sacred objects and i advise all rudraksha fraternity to serve their customers in their own ways instead of criticising others in an internecine way. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw-Brown " <rsbj66 wrote: > > Dear All, > > It is amazing. If you want to see action in this group, then just > question goal dhana Eka Mukhi. > > Late Kali Baba of Nepal had a genuine goal dhana eka mukhi. For > certain. Seeing very closely is believing. And Kali Baba deserved Eka > Mukhi. Actually Eka Mukhi is the ornament of Advaitavadins, tyagis, > not Grihastas. I wouldn't wear an eka mukhi even if I had one. I would > worship it as Lord Shiva. In my opinion Chaturdasha Mukhi is the > ultimate for Grihastas. > > Y/s, > Richard > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Dear Pandit Arjun, Do I understand you correctly that there is no 13 or 14 Nepali mukhi beads in existence with the equivalent number of locules inside? How many beads have you tested? What method did you use? Thanking you, Olepanditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear brother richardyou are truly blessed to see the original round ek mukh rudraksha with your trusted late kalibaba. hope this answers to disbelievers who call it a myth.elementary truth is that one would find several mukhi rudraksha coming from the same tree. so if one finds only one line naturally developed in a round rudraksha bead, he must construe it as a one mukh rudraksha.i challenge openly with all those laboratary test hungry disbelievers to prove 14 locules in a 14mukh rudraksha and 13 locules in a 13mukh rudraksha. if they start mentioning exceptions and impossibilities, then they must not preach locules as a certain rule to decipher the number of lines external matching the number of locules within.the gods and sages have only advised to COUNT the number of lines ON the rudraksha and i follow only that method treating it as a holy divine product with the invisible god dwelling in it.hence rudraksha is a matter of solicitation and a holy object of faith. a person who has faith in the sacred object and in the person who provides that, buys it. a person not having faith does not buy it. it is as simple as it is. hence there is no need for us to have two groups of believers and disbelievers fighting each other to prove their theory is correct.after all, we are all having the same objective of serving the natives by providing them sacred objects and i advise all rudraksha fraternity to serve their customers in their own ways instead of criticising others in an internecine way.with best wishes and blessingspandit arjunwww.rudraksharemedy.comsacred-objects , "Richard Shaw-Brown" <rsbj66 wrote:>> Dear All,> > It is amazing. If you want to see action in this group, then just> question goal dhana Eka Mukhi.> > Late Kali Baba of Nepal had a genuine goal dhana eka mukhi. For> certain. Seeing very closely is believing. And Kali Baba deserved Eka> Mukhi. Actually Eka Mukhi is the ornament of Advaitavadins, tyagis,> not Grihastas. I wouldn't wear an eka mukhi even if I had one. I would> worship it as Lord Shiva. In my opinion Chaturdasha Mukhi is the> ultimate for Grihastas.> > Y/s,> Richard> Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2007 Report Share Posted August 8, 2007 dear friend ole yes, i stick to my observation that in a four, five or six mukhi rudraksha the gap between the lines is wide and you find the number of locules or chambers or seeds within it. but when comes to higher mukh rudrakhsa like 13, 14 and above, you would fine few lines having good gap and few lines especially on both sides near the centre, have as little as no gap between them and hence you find thier inner chambers mixed and you also find less number of seeds. i dont cut a rudraksha as lord shiva dwells in it but have seen a couple of 14 and 13mukh beads when they got broken accidentally and then tested them. i am not a hyprocite to treat a rudraksha as god and then cut and test it like a commodity. i strictly believe a rudraksha as lord shiva and hence will not cut it to test it. even the gentleman who tested a 14mukh and found 14 loculi is laying emphasis on the word well developed and large sized which means all the small and medium sized rudraksha will not pass this test. most of the rudraksha of higher mukh are available in small and medium size and the largest beads are sold as collector beads at exorbitant prices as they are very rarely available. also when a rudraksha is plucked from the tree and is cleaned and a hole made, you would find several seeds falling off when the supplier makes the hole. very rarely you find a higher mukh rudraksha without a hole. so all i am saying is that there is no foolproof scientific test and system to measure the number of seeds of a rudraksha or the number of chambers inside the rudraksha matching the external lines. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup wrote: > > Dear Pandit Arjun, > > Do I understand you correctly that there is no 13 or 14 Nepali mukhi beads in existence with the equivalent number of locules inside? How many beads have you tested? What method did you use? > > Thanking you, > > Ole > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: > dear brother richard > > you are truly blessed to see the original round ek mukh rudraksha with > your trusted late kalibaba. hope this answers to disbelievers who call > it a myth. > > elementary truth is that one would find several mukhi rudraksha coming > from the same tree. so if one finds only one line naturally developed > in a round rudraksha bead, he must construe it as a one mukh rudraksha. > > i challenge openly with all those laboratary test hungry disbelievers > to prove 14 locules in a 14mukh rudraksha and 13 locules in a 13mukh > rudraksha. if they start mentioning exceptions and impossibilities, > then they must not preach locules as a certain rule to decipher the > number of lines external matching the number of locules within. > > the gods and sages have only advised to COUNT the number of lines ON > the rudraksha and i follow only that method treating it as a holy > divine product with the invisible god dwelling in it. > > hence rudraksha is a matter of solicitation and a holy object of > faith. a person who has faith in the sacred object and in the person > who provides that, buys it. a person not having faith does not buy > it. it is as simple as it is. hence there is no need for us to have > two groups of believers and disbelievers fighting each other to prove > their theory is correct. > > after all, we are all having the same objective of serving the natives > by providing them sacred objects and i advise all rudraksha fraternity > to serve their customers in their own ways instead of criticising > others in an internecine way. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw-Brown " > <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > It is amazing. If you want to see action in this group, then just > > question goal dhana Eka Mukhi. > > > > Late Kali Baba of Nepal had a genuine goal dhana eka mukhi. For > > certain. Seeing very closely is believing. And Kali Baba deserved Eka > > Mukhi. Actually Eka Mukhi is the ornament of Advaitavadins, tyagis, > > not Grihastas. I wouldn't wear an eka mukhi even if I had one. I would > > worship it as Lord Shiva. In my opinion Chaturdasha Mukhi is the > > ultimate for Grihastas. > > > > Y/s, > > Richard > > > Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2007 Report Share Posted August 9, 2007 pandit arjun i think you are confusing the whole lot on rudrakshas with your own pathetic theories on rudrakshas for your own marketing needs. in other words STOP CONFUSING EVERYONE with YOUR THEORIES. there is already a lot of jargon other there on rudrakshas and we dont need another retailer or business man adding to it. just my opinion simone panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friend oleyes, i stick to my observation that in a four, five or six mukhi rudraksha the gap between the lines is wide and you find the number of locules or chambers or seeds within it. but when comes to higher mukh rudrakhsa like 13, 14 and above, you would fine few lines having good gap and few lines especially on both sides near the centre, have as little as no gap between them and hence you find thier inner chambers mixed and you also find less number of seeds. i dont cut a rudraksha as lord shiva dwells in it but have seen a couple of 14 and 13mukh beads when they got broken accidentally and then tested them. i am not a hyprocite to treat a rudraksha as god and then cut and test it like a commodity. i strictly believe a rudraksha as lord shiva and hence will not cut it to test it. even the gentleman who tested a 14mukh and found 14 loculi is laying emphasis on the word well developed and large sized which means all the small and medium sized rudraksha will not pass this test. most of the rudraksha of higher mukh are available in small and medium size and the largest beads are sold as collector beads at exorbitant prices as they are very rarely available.also when a rudraksha is plucked from the tree and is cleaned and a hole made, you would find several seeds falling off when the supplier makes the hole. very rarely you find a higher mukh rudraksha without a hole.so all i am saying is that there is no foolproof scientific test and system to measure the number of seeds of a rudraksha or the number of chambers inside the rudraksha matching the external lines.with best wishes and blessingspandit arjunwww.rudraksharemedy.comsacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup wrote:>> Dear Pandit Arjun,> > Do I understand you correctly that there is no 13 or 14 Nepali mukhi beads in existence with the equivalent number of locules inside? How many beads have you tested? What method did you use?> > Thanking you,> > Ole> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:> dear brother richard> > you are truly blessed to see the original round ek mukh rudraksha with > your trusted late kalibaba. hope this answers to disbelievers who call > it a myth.> > elementary truth is that one would find several mukhi rudraksha coming > from the same tree. so if one finds only one line naturally developed > in a round rudraksha bead, he must construe it as a one mukh rudraksha.> > i challenge openly with all those laboratary test hungry disbelievers > to prove 14 locules in a 14mukh rudraksha and 13 locules in a 13mukh > rudraksha. if they start mentioning exceptions and impossibilities, > then they must not preach locules as a certain rule to decipher the > number of lines external matching the number of locules within.> > the gods and sages have only advised to COUNT the number of lines ON > the rudraksha and i follow only that method treating it as a holy > divine product with the invisible god dwelling in it.> > hence rudraksha is a matter of solicitation and a holy object of > faith. a person who has faith in the sacred object and in the person > who provides that, buys it. a person not having faith does not buy > it. it is as simple as it is. hence there is no need for us to have > two groups of believers and disbelievers fighting each other to prove > their theory is correct.> > after all, we are all having the same objective of serving the natives > by providing them sacred objects and i advise all rudraksha fraternity > to serve their customers in their own ways instead of criticising > others in an internecine way.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy.com> > sacred-objects , "Richard Shaw-Brown" > <rsbj66@> wrote:> >> > Dear All,> > > > It is amazing. If you want to see action in this group, then just> > question goal dhana Eka Mukhi.> > > > Late Kali Baba of Nepal had a genuine goal dhana eka mukhi. For> > certain. Seeing very closely is believing. And Kali Baba deserved Eka> > Mukhi. Actually Eka Mukhi is the ornament of Advaitavadins, tyagis,> > not Grihastas. I wouldn't wear an eka mukhi even if I had one. I would> > worship it as Lord Shiva. In my opinion Chaturdasha Mukhi is the> > ultimate for Grihastas.> > > > Y/s,> > Richard> >> > > > > > > > Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now.> Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Travel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2007 Report Share Posted August 9, 2007 Har Har Mahadev, Dear Friends, Now slowly I think we are shifting our discussions to higher Mukhi Rudraksha like 13 or 14 Mukhi etc. Actually we were discussing about so called 1 Mukhi Rudraksha which is basically an underdeveloped 4 or 5 Mukhi Rudraksha, that this bead should not be considered as 1 Mukhi Rudraksha and the devotees should not buy this bead for Lakhs of Rupees as the same is available for Rs. 1700/- only. Now coming to higher Mukhi beads so we are publishing a book on Rudraksha written by Mr. Kamal Narayan Seetha where in we have taken pictures of even small 14 Mukhi Rudraksha of size 17.5 mm where the bead is magnified to 100 TIMES and seen that though the mukhs are very close but there are 14 chambers very distinctly seen and there are seeds also inside them but in some chambers the seeds were actually mixed with the chambers So dear Friend our research is not limited to very well developed beads only but to smaller beads as well. I think this gentleman does not know that now science has progressed so much that you need not cut the bead to see its inner structure, Latest technology in Bhabha Research Atomic Energy Centre Mumbai has made it possible to see one seed of Rudraksha of 2 or 3 mm size to look as as much as like a size of a Football that to very clearly. The minutest lines and impressions on the seeds can be very clearly seen with this microscope. My contention of writing that 14 seeds are available in large and well developed 14 Mukhi bead was to prove that not every person has an access to such advanced lenses/ magnifying glasses so if they want to see this they can very clearly see the chambers and the seeds inside in the large bead easily. So speaking in a forum unknowingly without knowledge and with insufficient research is actually a waste of time of several devotees. Quoting half read things from the texts and trying to prove others as hypocrites just because they were the pioneers in the research of Rudraksha and wants to educate the devotees shows the immature behaviour of the person and this spreads negativity in the group. Our Rudrakshas products are awaiting clearance from Health Ministry, very soon we will launch several health care products in which the good properties of Rudrakshas have been used for the betterment of the society. All this involves years of testing in world's famous labs, support of Indian and foreign govts. and dedicated efforts. Pl note I have always been startting my mail" Without hurting anybody's centiments, with due respect...." so that the decoram of the group is maintained. Now I dont think there is no further thing left in this discussions. My humble request to devotees is not to buy the Rudrakshas from untrustworthy Suppliers who purchase the bead for Rs. 1700 and try to sell the same in Lakhs of Rupees in the name of 1 Mukhi round Rudraksha. I think with my postings the message has been well conveyed and the mails I have received from hundreds of devotees is a proof to this. I am also sure that Devotees will be now be careful and will buy the Rudrakshas from the trustworthy suppliers only. Good Luck to all Friends, Aum Namah Shivaye. Rajiv Krishna Dasa,panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friend oleyes, i stick to my observation that in a four, five or six mukhi rudraksha the gap between the lines is wide and you find the number of locules or chambers or seeds within it. but when comes to higher mukh rudrakhsa like 13, 14 and above, you would fine few lines having good gap and few lines especially on both sides near the centre, have as little as no gap between them and hence you find thier inner chambers mixed and you also find less number of seeds. i dont cut a rudraksha as lord shiva dwells in it but have seen a couple of 14 and 13mukh beads when they got broken accidentally and then tested them. i am not a hyprocite to treat a rudraksha as god and then cut and test it like a commodity. i strictly believe a rudraksha as lord shiva and hence will not cut it to test it. even the gentleman who tested a 14mukh and found 14 loculi is laying emphasis on the word well developed and large sized which means all the small and medium sized rudraksha will not pass this test. most of the rudraksha of higher mukh are available in small and medium size and the largest beads are sold as collector beads at exorbitant prices as they are very rarely available.also when a rudraksha is plucked from the tree and is cleaned and a hole made, you would find several seeds falling off when the supplier makes the hole. very rarely you find a higher mukh rudraksha without a hole.so all i am saying is that there is no foolproof scientific test and system to measure the number of seeds of a rudraksha or the number of chambers inside the rudraksha matching the external lines.with best wishes and blessingspandit arjunwww.rudraksharemedy.comsacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup wrote:>> Dear Pandit Arjun,> > Do I understand you correctly that there is no 13 or 14 Nepali mukhi beads in existence with the equivalent number of locules inside? How many beads have you tested? What method did you use?> > Thanking you,> > Ole> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:> dear brother richard> > you are truly blessed to see the original round ek mukh rudraksha with > your trusted late kalibaba. hope this answers to disbelievers who call > it a myth.> > elementary truth is that one would find several mukhi rudraksha coming > from the same tree. so if one finds only one line naturally developed > in a round rudraksha bead, he must construe it as a one mukh rudraksha.> > i challenge openly with all those laboratary test hungry disbelievers > to prove 14 locules in a 14mukh rudraksha and 13 locules in a 13mukh > rudraksha. if they start mentioning exceptions and impossibilities, > then they must not preach locules as a certain rule to decipher the > number of lines external matching the number of locules within.> > the gods and sages have only advised to COUNT the number of lines ON > the rudraksha and i follow only that method treating it as a holy > divine product with the invisible god dwelling in it.> > hence rudraksha is a matter of solicitation and a holy object of > faith. a person who has faith in the sacred object and in the person > who provides that, buys it. a person not having faith does not buy > it. it is as simple as it is. hence there is no need for us to have > two groups of believers and disbelievers fighting each other to prove > their theory is correct.> > after all, we are all having the same objective of serving the natives > by providing them sacred objects and i advise all rudraksha fraternity > to serve their customers in their own ways instead of criticising > others in an internecine way.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy.com> > sacred-objects , "Richard Shaw-Brown" > <rsbj66@> wrote:> >> > Dear All,> > > > It is amazing. If you want to see action in this group, then just> > question goal dhana Eka Mukhi.> > > > Late Kali Baba of Nepal had a genuine goal dhana eka mukhi. For> > certain. Seeing very closely is believing. And Kali Baba deserved Eka> > Mukhi. Actually Eka Mukhi is the ornament of Advaitavadins, tyagis,> > not Grihastas. I wouldn't wear an eka mukhi even if I had one. I would> > worship it as Lord Shiva. In my opinion Chaturdasha Mukhi is the> > ultimate for Grihastas.> > > > Y/s,> > Richard> >> > > > > > > > Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now.> oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2007 Report Share Posted August 9, 2007 Dear Pandit Arjun, For god sake pl dont misguide the menbers of this group with your stupid theories. Here no body wants your 1 Mukhis Rudrakshas for 2 or 3 Lakhs. Pl dont befool people for own your commercial interests. It is a simple logic that a four Mukhi has 4 chambers and four seeds similarly a 5 Mukhi has 5 seeds. There could be one odd exception where in the bead might have less seed. But for that exception we can not authentically comment on all Rudrakshas. Now pl dont ask me how many Rudrakshan I have cut. Respected Richard Sir, Pl ban this person from the group and his websit be blacklisted. He appears to be a spurious supplier of Rudrakshas whose main aim is to misguide people and sell his spurious 1 Mukhis. Lets have the positive people and knowledgeable people like you, Rajiv Krishna Dasa, Rudra Centre, Amit Uniyalji, etc. to guide the whole fraternity of Rudrakshas. Regards, Siddharthpanditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friend oleyes, i stick to my observation that in a four, five or six mukhi rudraksha the gap between the lines is wide and you find the number of locules or chambers or seeds within it. but when comes to higher mukh rudrakhsa like 13, 14 and above, you would fine few lines having good gap and few lines especially on both sides near the centre, have as little as no gap between them and hence you find thier inner chambers mixed and you also find less number of seeds. i dont cut a rudraksha as lord shiva dwells in it but have seen a couple of 14 and 13mukh beads when they got broken accidentally and then tested them. i am not a hyprocite to treat a rudraksha as god and then cut and test it like a commodity. i strictly believe a rudraksha as lord shiva and hence will not cut it to test it. even the gentleman who tested a 14mukh and found 14 loculi is laying emphasis on the word well developed and large sized which means all the small and medium sized rudraksha will not pass this test. most of the rudraksha of higher mukh are available in small and medium size and the largest beads are sold as collector beads at exorbitant prices as they are very rarely available.also when a rudraksha is plucked from the tree and is cleaned and a hole made, you would find several seeds falling off when the supplier makes the hole. very rarely you find a higher mukh rudraksha without a hole.so all i am saying is that there is no foolproof scientific test and system to measure the number of seeds of a rudraksha or the number of chambers inside the rudraksha matching the external lines.with best wishes and blessingspandit arjunwww.rudraksharemedy.comsacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup wrote:>> Dear Pandit Arjun,> > Do I understand you correctly that there is no 13 or 14 Nepali mukhi beads in existence with the equivalent number of locules inside? How many beads have you tested? What method did you use?> > Thanking you,> > Ole> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:> dear brother richard> > you are truly blessed to see the original round ek mukh rudraksha with > your trusted late kalibaba. hope this answers to disbelievers who call > it a myth.> > elementary truth is that one would find several mukhi rudraksha coming > from the same tree. so if one finds only one line naturally developed > in a round rudraksha bead, he must construe it as a one mukh rudraksha.> > i challenge openly with all those laboratary test hungry disbelievers > to prove 14 locules in a 14mukh rudraksha and 13 locules in a 13mukh > rudraksha. if they start mentioning exceptions and impossibilities, > then they must not preach locules as a certain rule to decipher the > number of lines external matching the number of locules within.> > the gods and sages have only advised to COUNT the number of lines ON > the rudraksha and i follow only that method treating it as a holy > divine product with the invisible god dwelling in it.> > hence rudraksha is a matter of solicitation and a holy object of > faith. a person who has faith in the sacred object and in the person > who provides that, buys it. a person not having faith does not buy > it. it is as simple as it is. hence there is no need for us to have > two groups of believers and disbelievers fighting each other to prove > their theory is correct.> > after all, we are all having the same objective of serving the natives > by providing them sacred objects and i advise all rudraksha fraternity > to serve their customers in their own ways instead of criticising > others in an internecine way.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy.com> > sacred-objects , "Richard Shaw-Brown" > <rsbj66@> wrote:> >> > Dear All,> > > > It is amazing. If you want to see action in this group, then just> > question goal dhana Eka Mukhi.> > > > Late Kali Baba of Nepal had a genuine goal dhana eka mukhi. For> > certain. Seeing very closely is believing. And Kali Baba deserved Eka> > Mukhi. Actually Eka Mukhi is the ornament of Advaitavadins, tyagis,> > not Grihastas. I wouldn't wear an eka mukhi even if I had one. I would> > worship it as Lord Shiva. In my opinion Chaturdasha Mukhi is the> > ultimate for Grihastas.> > > > Y/s,> > Richard> >> > > > > > > > Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now.> Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2007 Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 Respected Gentleman, If u black list anybody you are trying to antagonise,instead of that i would suggest please help him out, since he knows not what he should know.Be a guide line to him,show him the right part. You ignore him only when he does not accept the right part."Sacrifice takes you nearer to God. Sorry for interfering into your personal matter.Siddharth Mishra <sidhmis wrote: Dear Pandit Arjun, For god sake pl dont misguide the menbers of this group with your stupid theories. Here no body wants your 1 Mukhis Rudrakshas for 2 or 3 Lakhs. Pl dont befool people for own your commercial interests. It is a simple logic that a four Mukhi has 4 chambers and four seeds similarly a 5 Mukhi has 5 seeds. There could be one odd exception where in the bead might have less seed. But for that exception we can not authentically comment on all Rudrakshas. Now pl dont ask me how many Rudrakshan I have cut. Respected Richard Sir, Pl ban this person from the group and his websit be blacklisted. He appears to be a spurious supplier of Rudrakshas whose main aim is to misguide people and sell his spurious 1 Mukhis. Lets have the positive people and knowledgeable people like you, Rajiv Krishna Dasa, Rudra Centre, Amit Uniyalji, etc. to guide the whole fraternity of Rudrakshas. Regards, Siddharthpanditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > wrote: dear friend oleyes, i stick to my observation that in a four, five or six mukhi rudraksha the gap between the lines is wide and you find the number of locules or chambers or seeds within it. but when comes to higher mukh rudrakhsa like 13, 14 and above, you would fine few lines having good gap and few lines especially on both sides near the centre, have as little as no gap between them and hence you find thier inner chambers mixed and you also find less number of seeds. i dont cut a rudraksha as lord shiva dwells in it but have seen a couple of 14 and 13mukh beads when they got broken accidentally and then tested them. i am not a hyprocite to treat a rudraksha as god and then cut and test it like a commodity. i strictly believe a rudraksha as lord shiva and hence will not cut it to test it. even the gentleman who tested a 14mukh and found 14 loculi is laying emphasis on the word well developed and large sized which means all the small and medium sized rudraksha will not pass this test. most of the rudraksha of higher mukh are available in small and medium size and the largest beads are sold as collector beads at exorbitant prices as they are very rarely available.also when a rudraksha is plucked from the tree and is cleaned and a hole made, you would find several seeds falling off when the supplier makes the hole. very rarely you find a higher mukh rudraksha without a hole.so all i am saying is that there is no foolproof scientific test and system to measure the number of seeds of a rudraksha or the number of chambers inside the rudraksha matching the external lines.with best wishes and blessingspandit arjunwww.rudraksharemedy.comsacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup wrote:>> Dear Pandit Arjun,> > Do I understand you correctly that there is no 13 or 14 Nepali mukhi beads in existence with the equivalent number of locules inside? How many beads have you tested? What method did you use?> > Thanking you,> > Ole> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:> dear brother richard> > you are truly blessed to see the original round ek mukh rudraksha with > your trusted late kalibaba. hope this answers to disbelievers who call > it a myth.> > elementary truth is that one would find several mukhi rudraksha coming > from the same tree. so if one finds only one line naturally developed > in a round rudraksha bead, he must construe it as a one mukh rudraksha.> > i challenge openly with all those laboratary test hungry disbelievers > to prove 14 locules in a 14mukh rudraksha and 13 locules in a 13mukh > rudraksha. if they start mentioning exceptions and impossibilities, > then they must not preach locules as a certain rule to decipher the > number of lines external matching the number of locules within.> > the gods and sages have only advised to COUNT the number of lines ON > the rudraksha and i follow only that method treating it as a holy > divine product with the invisible god dwelling in it.> > hence rudraksha is a matter of solicitation and a holy object of > faith. a person who has faith in the sacred object and in the person > who provides that, buys it. a person not having faith does not buy > it. it is as simple as it is. hence there is no need for us to have > two groups of believers and disbelievers fighting each other to prove > their theory is correct.> > after all, we are all having the same objective of serving the natives > by providing them sacred objects and i advise all rudraksha fraternity > to serve their customers in their own ways instead of criticising > others in an internecine way.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy.com> > sacred-objects , "Richard Shaw-Brown" > <rsbj66@> wrote:> >> > Dear All,> > > > It is amazing. If you want to see action in this group, then just> > question goal dhana Eka Mukhi.> > > > Late Kali Baba of Nepal had a genuine goal dhana eka mukhi. For> > certain. Seeing very closely is believing. And Kali Baba deserved Eka> > Mukhi. Actually Eka Mukhi is the ornament of Advaitavadins, tyagis,> > not Grihastas. I wouldn't wear an eka mukhi even if I had one. I would> > worship it as Lord Shiva. In my opinion Chaturdasha Mukhi is the> > ultimate for Grihastas.> > > > Y/s,> > Richard> >> > > > > > > > Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now.> Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. binode kripalani numerologist 9831664581(Kolkata) binodeuk binode_kripalani Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2007 Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 sacred-objects , vasdev kripalani udharam <binnumero wrote: >Hello Everybody, I would like to know that if a 21 mukhi with clear cut lines is cut open and if 21 seeds are not found inside does it cease to be a 21 mukhi??? Similiarly if a round bead with only one clearly marked line is cut open and it has 2 seeds does it cease to be one mukhi??? I do not think that in the ancient times one had X-ray machines to see inside the beads, so I think that at that time a round bead having only one clear line would be ONE MUKHI.Any way its a matter of faith Like they say if you belive then a stone also would be GOD but without faith its a stone. Let each one follow their heart. umesh > Dear Sir, > > No one here is to be black listed. No one is wrong. > > Best wishes, > Richard > > Respected Gentleman, > If u black list anybody you are trying to antagonise,instead of that i would suggest please help him out, since he knows not what he should know.Be a guide line to him,show him the right part. > You ignore him only when he does not accept the right part. " Sacrifice takes you nearer to God. > Sorry for interfering into your personal matter. > > Siddharth Mishra <sidhmis wrote: > Dear Pandit Arjun, > For god sake pl dont misguide the menbers of this group with your stupid theories. Here no body wants your 1 Mukhis Rudrakshas for 2 or 3 Lakhs. Pl dont befool people for own your commercial interests. > It is a simple logic that a four Mukhi has 4 chambers and four seeds similarly a 5 Mukhi has 5 seeds. There could be one odd exception where in the bead might have less seed. But for that exception we can not authentically comment on all Rudrakshas. > Now pl dont ask me how many Rudrakshan I have cut. > > Respected Richard Sir, > Pl ban this person from the group and his websit be blacklisted. He appears to be a spurious supplier of Rudrakshas whose main aim is to misguide people and sell his spurious 1 Mukhis. Lets have the positive people and knowledgeable people like you, Rajiv Krishna Dasa, Rudra Centre, Amit Uniyalji, etc. to guide the whole fraternity of Rudrakshas. > > Regards, > Siddharth > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: > dear friend ole > > yes, i stick to my observation that in a four, five or six mukhi > rudraksha the gap between the lines is wide and you find the number > of locules or chambers or seeds within it. but when comes to higher > mukh rudrakhsa like 13, 14 and above, you would fine few lines having > good gap and few lines especially on both sides near the centre, have > as little as no gap between them and hence you find thier inner > chambers mixed and you also find less number of seeds. i dont cut a > rudraksha as lord shiva dwells in it but have seen a couple of 14 and > 13mukh beads when they got broken accidentally and then tested them. > i am not a hyprocite to treat a rudraksha as god and then cut and > test it like a commodity. i strictly believe a rudraksha as lord > shiva and hence will not cut it to test it. even the gentleman who > tested a 14mukh and found 14 loculi is laying emphasis on the word > well developed and large sized which means all the small and medium > sized rudraksha will not pass this test. most of the rudraksha of > higher mukh are available in small and medium size and the largest > beads are sold as collector beads at exorbitant prices as they are > very rarely available. > > also when a rudraksha is plucked from the tree and is cleaned and a > hole made, you would find several seeds falling off when the supplier > makes the hole. very rarely you find a higher mukh rudraksha without > a hole. > > so all i am saying is that there is no foolproof scientific test and > system to measure the number of seeds of a rudraksha or the number of > chambers inside the rudraksha matching the external lines. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun, > > > > Do I understand you correctly that there is no 13 or 14 Nepali > mukhi beads in existence with the equivalent number of locules > inside? How many beads have you tested? What method did you use? > > > > Thanking you, > > > > Ole > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > dear brother richard > > > > you are truly blessed to see the original round ek mukh rudraksha > with > > your trusted late kalibaba. hope this answers to disbelievers who > call > > it a myth. > > > > elementary truth is that one would find several mukhi rudraksha > coming > > from the same tree. so if one finds only one line naturally > developed > > in a round rudraksha bead, he must construe it as a one mukh > rudraksha. > > > > i challenge openly with all those laboratary test hungry > disbelievers > > to prove 14 locules in a 14mukh rudraksha and 13 locules in a > 13mukh > > rudraksha. if they start mentioning exceptions and impossibilities, > > then they must not preach locules as a certain rule to decipher the > > number of lines external matching the number of locules within. > > > > the gods and sages have only advised to COUNT the number of lines > ON > > the rudraksha and i follow only that method treating it as a holy > > divine product with the invisible god dwelling in it. > > > > hence rudraksha is a matter of solicitation and a holy object of > > faith. a person who has faith in the sacred object and in the > person > > who provides that, buys it. a person not having faith does not buy > > it. it is as simple as it is. hence there is no need for us to have > > two groups of believers and disbelievers fighting each other to > prove > > their theory is correct. > > > > after all, we are all having the same objective of serving the > natives > > by providing them sacred objects and i advise all rudraksha > fraternity > > to serve their customers in their own ways instead of criticising > > others in an internecine way. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw-Brown " > > <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > It is amazing. If you want to see action in this group, then just > > > question goal dhana Eka Mukhi. > > > > > > Late Kali Baba of Nepal had a genuine goal dhana eka mukhi. For > > > certain. Seeing very closely is believing. And Kali Baba deserved > Eka > > > Mukhi. Actually Eka Mukhi is the ornament of Advaitavadins, > tyagis, > > > not Grihastas. I wouldn't wear an eka mukhi even if I had one. I > would > > > worship it as Lord Shiva. In my opinion Chaturdasha Mukhi is the > > > ultimate for Grihastas. > > > > > > Y/s, > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit > now. > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > binode kripalani > numerologist 9831664581(Kolkata) > binodeuk > binode_kripalani > > > > Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2007 Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 Yes! Well said! I echo these thoughts! - umeshkhnn sacred-objects Friday, August 10, 2007 7:14 AM Re: Ha ha!!! Eka Mukhi Katha sacred-objects , vasdev kripalani udharam <binnumero wrote:>Hello Everybody,I would like to know that if a 21 mukhi with clear cut lines is cut open and if 21 seeds are not found inside does it cease to be a 21 mukhi???Similiarly if a round bead with only one clearly marked line is cut open and it has 2 seeds does it cease to be one mukhi???I do not think that in the ancient times one had X-ray machines to see inside the beads, so I think that at that time a round bead having only one clear line would be ONE MUKHI.Any way its a matter of faith Like they say if you belive then a stone also would be GOD but without faith its a stone.Let each one follow their heart.umesh> Dear Sir,> > No one here is to be black listed. No one is wrong. > > Best wishes,> Richard> > Respected Gentleman,> If u black list anybody you are trying to antagonise,instead of that i would suggest please help him out, since he knows not what he should know.Be a guide line to him,show him the right part.> You ignore him only when he does not accept the right part."Sacrifice takes you nearer to God.> Sorry for interfering into your personal matter.> > Siddharth Mishra <sidhmis wrote: > Dear Pandit Arjun, > For god sake pl dont misguide the menbers of this group with your stupid theories. Here no body wants your 1 Mukhis Rudrakshas for 2 or 3 Lakhs. Pl dont befool people for own your commercial interests. > It is a simple logic that a four Mukhi has 4 chambers and four seeds similarly a 5 Mukhi has 5 seeds. There could be one odd exception where in the bead might have less seed. But for that exception we can not authentically comment on all Rudrakshas. > Now pl dont ask me how many Rudrakshan I have cut.> > Respected Richard Sir, > Pl ban this person from the group and his websit be blacklisted. He appears to be a spurious supplier of Rudrakshas whose main aim is to misguide people and sell his spurious 1 Mukhis. Lets have the positive people and knowledgeable people like you, Rajiv Krishna Dasa, Rudra Centre, Amit Uniyalji, etc. to guide the whole fraternity of Rudrakshas. > > Regards, > Siddharth> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:> dear friend ole> > yes, i stick to my observation that in a four, five or six mukhi > rudraksha the gap between the lines is wide and you find the number > of locules or chambers or seeds within it. but when comes to higher > mukh rudrakhsa like 13, 14 and above, you would fine few lines having > good gap and few lines especially on both sides near the centre, have > as little as no gap between them and hence you find thier inner > chambers mixed and you also find less number of seeds. i dont cut a > rudraksha as lord shiva dwells in it but have seen a couple of 14 and > 13mukh beads when they got broken accidentally and then tested them. > i am not a hyprocite to treat a rudraksha as god and then cut and > test it like a commodity. i strictly believe a rudraksha as lord > shiva and hence will not cut it to test it. even the gentleman who > tested a 14mukh and found 14 loculi is laying emphasis on the word > well developed and large sized which means all the small and medium > sized rudraksha will not pass this test. most of the rudraksha of > higher mukh are available in small and medium size and the largest > beads are sold as collector beads at exorbitant prices as they are > very rarely available.> > also when a rudraksha is plucked from the tree and is cleaned and a > hole made, you would find several seeds falling off when the supplier > makes the hole. very rarely you find a higher mukh rudraksha without > a hole.> > so all i am saying is that there is no foolproof scientific test and > system to measure the number of seeds of a rudraksha or the number of > chambers inside the rudraksha matching the external lines.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy.com> > sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup@> > wrote:> >> > Dear Pandit Arjun,> > > > Do I understand you correctly that there is no 13 or 14 Nepali > mukhi beads in existence with the equivalent number of locules > inside? How many beads have you tested? What method did you use?> > > > Thanking you,> > > > Ole> > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote:> > dear brother richard> > > > you are truly blessed to see the original round ek mukh rudraksha > with > > your trusted late kalibaba. hope this answers to disbelievers who > call > > it a myth.> > > > elementary truth is that one would find several mukhi rudraksha > coming > > from the same tree. so if one finds only one line naturally > developed > > in a round rudraksha bead, he must construe it as a one mukh > rudraksha.> > > > i challenge openly with all those laboratary test hungry > disbelievers > > to prove 14 locules in a 14mukh rudraksha and 13 locules in a > 13mukh > > rudraksha. if they start mentioning exceptions and impossibilities, > > then they must not preach locules as a certain rule to decipher the > > number of lines external matching the number of locules within.> > > > the gods and sages have only advised to COUNT the number of lines > ON > > the rudraksha and i follow only that method treating it as a holy > > divine product with the invisible god dwelling in it.> > > > hence rudraksha is a matter of solicitation and a holy object of > > faith. a person who has faith in the sacred object and in the > person > > who provides that, buys it. a person not having faith does not buy > > it. it is as simple as it is. hence there is no need for us to have > > two groups of believers and disbelievers fighting each other to > prove > > their theory is correct.> > > > after all, we are all having the same objective of serving the > natives > > by providing them sacred objects and i advise all rudraksha > fraternity > > to serve their customers in their own ways instead of criticising > > others in an internecine way.> > > > with best wishes and blessings> > pandit arjun> > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > > > sacred-objects , "Richard Shaw-Brown" > > <rsbj66@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear All,> > > > > > It is amazing. If you want to see action in this group, then just> > > question goal dhana Eka Mukhi.> > > > > > Late Kali Baba of Nepal had a genuine goal dhana eka mukhi. For> > > certain. Seeing very closely is believing. And Kali Baba deserved > Eka> > > Mukhi. Actually Eka Mukhi is the ornament of Advaitavadins, > tyagis,> > > not Grihastas. I wouldn't wear an eka mukhi even if I had one. I > would> > > worship it as Lord Shiva. In my opinion Chaturdasha Mukhi is the> > > ultimate for Grihastas.> > > > > > Y/s,> > > Richard> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit > now.> >> > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows.> Answers - Check it out. > > > > > binode kripalani> numerologist 9831664581(Kolkata)> binodeuk binode_kripalani > > > Download prohibited? No problem. 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Guest guest Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 Har Har Mahadev, Prabhu Umesh ji, Sir, I would like to answer your question in this way that so called one Mukhi which in my terms I call as underdeveloped 4 or 5 Mukhi has always 4 or 5 lines starting from the top and these 4 or 5 lines are seen at the end of the bead as well which is very nicely capped by so called knowledgeable suppliers very tactfully to befool the devotees. The same thing we observed when we tested 3 beads brought by three different devotees during our recent exhibitions. When we removed the caps clear 5 lines in two beads and 4 lines in one bead were observed starting from the top of the bead and also at the bottom of the bead. When X-Ray test of these beads was done, very conspicuously 4 and 5 seeds were seen inside these so called 1 Mukhi beads. Prabhu pl show me any bead with which has 1 Mukh or 1 line but no lines starting or ending at the top and the bottom respectively, I would like to see such a bead. Here the discussion is of cheating the innocent devotees and extorting enormous amount from them for such beads. Prabhu further I would like to bring out for all devotees that even in 21 Mukhi there will be 100 percent 21 chambers, now seeds inside the bead can be 21 or few less, it depends upon the health of the bead. As I have already brought out that sometimes the chambers are so close especially in the higher Mukhis that their seeds actually merge with their chambers. But for beads like 1 or 2 Mukhi or 3, 4 5, 6, 7 Mukhis etc. the lines or Mukhs are so well apart that here the chance of seeds merging with the chambers is almost negligible or virtually impossible, then why at all we should compare these less Mukhis beads with higher Mukhis as far as the presence of seeds are concerned. I think the smaller Mukhis like 2 , 3 ,4 5, 6, etc but healthy bead will have all seeds inside them. So if we see 4 or 5 seeds inside a bead which has 1 clear Mukh but 4 or 5 lines starting from the top of the bead and also similar lines at the bottom of the bead also, will you take this bead as 1 Mukhi roung bead and would like to pay Rs. 5 Lakhs for the same ????? Pl Ponder and give a serious thought !!!!! So our advise to devotees is that they should purchase that bead which has very clear Mukhs. The likelyhood of having corresponding seeds inside in such beads is very high. Aum Namah Shivaye, Rajiv Krishna DasaMahamuni Das <mahamuni wrote: Yes! Well said! I echo these thoughts! - umeshkhnn sacred-objects Friday, August 10, 2007 7:14 AM Re: Ha ha!!! Eka Mukhi Katha sacred-objects , vasdev kripalani udharam <binnumero wrote:>Hello Everybody,I would like to know that if a 21 mukhi with clear cut lines is cut open and if 21 seeds are not found inside does it cease to be a 21 mukhi???Similiarly if a round bead with only one clearly marked line is cut open and it has 2 seeds does it cease to be one mukhi???I do not think that in the ancient times one had X-ray machines to see inside the beads, so I think that at that time a round bead having only one clear line would be ONE MUKHI.Any way its a matter of faith Like they say if you belive then a stone also would be GOD but without faith its a stone.Let each one follow their heart.umesh> Dear Sir,> > No one here is to be black listed. No one is wrong. > > Best wishes,> Richard> > Respected Gentleman,> If u black list anybody you are trying to antagonise,instead of that i would suggest please help him out, since he knows not what he should know.Be a guide line to him,show him the right part.> You ignore him only when he does not accept the right part."Sacrifice takes you nearer to God.> Sorry for interfering into your personal matter.> > Siddharth Mishra <sidhmis wrote: > Dear Pandit Arjun, > For god sake pl dont misguide the menbers of this group with your stupid theories. Here no body wants your 1 Mukhis Rudrakshas for 2 or 3 Lakhs. Pl dont befool people for own your commercial interests. > It is a simple logic that a four Mukhi has 4 chambers and four seeds similarly a 5 Mukhi has 5 seeds. There could be one odd exception where in the bead might have less seed. But for that exception we can not authentically comment on all Rudrakshas. > Now pl dont ask me how many Rudrakshan I have cut.> > Respected Richard Sir, > Pl ban this person from the group and his websit be blacklisted. He appears to be a spurious supplier of Rudrakshas whose main aim is to misguide people and sell his spurious 1 Mukhis. Lets have the positive people and knowledgeable people like you, Rajiv Krishna Dasa, Rudra Centre, Amit Uniyalji, etc. to guide the whole fraternity of Rudrakshas. > > Regards, > Siddharth> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:> dear friend ole> > yes, i stick to my observation that in a four, five or six mukhi > rudraksha the gap between the lines is wide and you find the number > of locules or chambers or seeds within it. but when comes to higher > mukh rudrakhsa like 13, 14 and above, you would fine few lines having > good gap and few lines especially on both sides near the centre, have > as little as no gap between them and hence you find thier inner > chambers mixed and you also find less number of seeds. i dont cut a > rudraksha as lord shiva dwells in it but have seen a couple of 14 and > 13mukh beads when they got broken accidentally and then tested them. > i am not a hyprocite to treat a rudraksha as god and then cut and > test it like a commodity. i strictly believe a rudraksha as lord > shiva and hence will not cut it to test it. even the gentleman who > tested a 14mukh and found 14 loculi is laying emphasis on the word > well developed and large sized which means all the small and medium > sized rudraksha will not pass this test. most of the rudraksha of > higher mukh are available in small and medium size and the largest > beads are sold as collector beads at exorbitant prices as they are > very rarely available.> > also when a rudraksha is plucked from the tree and is cleaned and a > hole made, you would find several seeds falling off when the supplier > makes the hole. very rarely you find a higher mukh rudraksha without > a hole.> > so all i am saying is that there is no foolproof scientific test and > system to measure the number of seeds of a rudraksha or the number of > chambers inside the rudraksha matching the external lines.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy.com> > sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup@> > wrote:> >> > Dear Pandit Arjun,> > > > Do I understand you correctly that there is no 13 or 14 Nepali > mukhi beads in existence with the equivalent number of locules > inside? How many beads have you tested? What method did you use?> > > > Thanking you,> > > > Ole> > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote:> > dear brother richard> > > > you are truly blessed to see the original round ek mukh rudraksha > with > > your trusted late kalibaba. hope this answers to disbelievers who > call > > it a myth.> > > > elementary truth is that one would find several mukhi rudraksha > coming > > from the same tree. so if one finds only one line naturally > developed > > in a round rudraksha bead, he must construe it as a one mukh > rudraksha.> > > > i challenge openly with all those laboratary test hungry > disbelievers > > to prove 14 locules in a 14mukh rudraksha and 13 locules in a > 13mukh > > rudraksha. if they start mentioning exceptions and impossibilities, > > then they must not preach locules as a certain rule to decipher the > > number of lines external matching the number of locules within.> > > > the gods and sages have only advised to COUNT the number of lines > ON > > the rudraksha and i follow only that method treating it as a holy > > divine product with the invisible god dwelling in it.> > > > hence rudraksha is a matter of solicitation and a holy object of > > faith. a person who has faith in the sacred object and in the > person > > who provides that, buys it. a person not having faith does not buy > > it. it is as simple as it is. hence there is no need for us to have > > two groups of believers and disbelievers fighting each other to > prove > > their theory is correct.> > > > after all, we are all having the same objective of serving the > natives > > by providing them sacred objects and i advise all rudraksha > fraternity > > to serve their customers in their own ways instead of criticising > > others in an internecine way.> > > > with best wishes and blessings> > pandit arjun> > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > > > sacred-objects , "Richard Shaw-Brown" > > <rsbj66@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear All,> > > > > > It is amazing. If you want to see action in this group, then just> > > question goal dhana Eka Mukhi.> > > > > > Late Kali Baba of Nepal had a genuine goal dhana eka mukhi. For> > > certain. Seeing very closely is believing. And Kali Baba deserved > Eka> > > Mukhi. Actually Eka Mukhi is the ornament of Advaitavadins, > tyagis,> > > not Grihastas. I wouldn't wear an eka mukhi even if I had one. I > would> > > worship it as Lord Shiva. In my opinion Chaturdasha Mukhi is the> > > ultimate for Grihastas.> > > > > > Y/s,> > > Richard> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit > now.> >> > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows.> Answers - Check it out. > > > > > binode kripalani> numerologist 9831664581(Kolkata)> binodeuk binode_kripalani > > > Download prohibited? No problem. 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Guest guest Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 Dear Rajiv Krishna Prabhu Ji, What do you exactly mean by "seeds actually merge with their chambers"? Can you show in photo here? Thanks, OleShaligram Shala <shaligram8 wrote: Har Har Mahadev, Prabhu Umesh ji, Sir, I would like to answer your question in this way that so called one Mukhi which in my terms I call as underdeveloped 4 or 5 Mukhi has always 4 or 5 lines starting from the top and these 4 or 5 lines are seen at the end of the bead as well which is very nicely capped by so called knowledgeable suppliers very tactfully to befool the devotees. The same thing we observed when we tested 3 beads brought by three different devotees during our recent exhibitions. When we removed the caps clear 5 lines in two beads and 4 lines in one bead were observed starting from the top of the bead and also at the bottom of the bead. When X-Ray test of these beads was done, very conspicuously 4 and 5 seeds were seen inside these so called 1 Mukhi beads. Prabhu pl show me any bead with which has 1 Mukh or 1 line but no lines starting or ending at the top and the bottom respectively, I would like to see such a bead. Here the discussion is of cheating the innocent devotees and extorting enormous amount from them for such beads. Prabhu further I would like to bring out for all devotees that even in 21 Mukhi there will be 100 percent 21 chambers, now seeds inside the bead can be 21 or few less, it depends upon the health of the bead. As I have already brought out that sometimes the chambers are so close especially in the higher Mukhis that their seeds actually merge with their chambers. But for beads like 1 or 2 Mukhi or 3, 4 5, 6, 7 Mukhis etc. the lines or Mukhs are so well apart that here the chance of seeds merging with the chambers is almost negligible or virtually impossible, then why at all we should compare these less Mukhis beads with higher Mukhis as far as the presence of seeds are concerned. I think the smaller Mukhis like 2 , 3 ,4 5, 6, etc but healthy bead will have all seeds inside them. So if we see 4 or 5 seeds inside a bead which has 1 clear Mukh but 4 or 5 lines starting from the top of the bead and also similar lines at the bottom of the bead also, will you take this bead as 1 Mukhi roung bead and would like to pay Rs. 5 Lakhs for the same ????? Pl Ponder and give a serious thought !!!!! So our advise to devotees is that they should purchase that bead which has very clear Mukhs. The likelyhood of having corresponding seeds inside in such beads is very high. Aum Namah Shivaye, Rajiv Krishna DasaMahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: Yes! Well said! I echo these thoughts! - umeshkhnn sacred-objects Friday, August 10, 2007 7:14 AM Re: Ha ha!!! Eka Mukhi Katha sacred-objects , vasdev kripalani udharam <binnumero wrote:>Hello Everybody,I would like to know that if a 21 mukhi with clear cut lines is cut open and if 21 seeds are not found inside does it cease to be a 21 mukhi???Similiarly if a round bead with only one clearly marked line is cut open and it has 2 seeds does it cease to be one mukhi???I do not think that in the ancient times one had X-ray machines to see inside the beads, so I think that at that time a round bead having only one clear line would be ONE MUKHI.Any way its a matter of faith Like they say if you belive then a stone also would be GOD but without faith its a stone.Let each one follow their heart.umesh> Dear Sir,> > No one here is to be black listed. No one is wrong. > > Best wishes,> Richard> > Respected Gentleman,> If u black list anybody you are trying to antagonise,instead of that i would suggest please help him out, since he knows not what he should know.Be a guide line to him,show him the right part.> You ignore him only when he does not accept the right part."Sacrifice takes you nearer to God.> Sorry for interfering into your personal matter.> > Siddharth Mishra <sidhmis wrote: > Dear Pandit Arjun, > For god sake pl dont misguide the menbers of this group with your stupid theories. Here no body wants your 1 Mukhis Rudrakshas for 2 or 3 Lakhs. Pl dont befool people for own your commercial interests. > It is a simple logic that a four Mukhi has 4 chambers and four seeds similarly a 5 Mukhi has 5 seeds. There could be one odd exception where in the bead might have less seed. But for that exception we can not authentically comment on all Rudrakshas. > Now pl dont ask me how many Rudrakshan I have cut.> > Respected Richard Sir, > Pl ban this person from the group and his websit be blacklisted. He appears to be a spurious supplier of Rudrakshas whose main aim is to misguide people and sell his spurious 1 Mukhis. Lets have the positive people and knowledgeable people like you, Rajiv Krishna Dasa, Rudra Centre, Amit Uniyalji, etc. to guide the whole fraternity of Rudrakshas. > > Regards, > Siddharth> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:> dear friend ole> > yes, i stick to my observation that in a four, five or six mukhi > rudraksha the gap between the lines is wide and you find the number > of locules or chambers or seeds within it. but when comes to higher > mukh rudrakhsa like 13, 14 and above, you would fine few lines having > good gap and few lines especially on both sides near the centre, have > as little as no gap between them and hence you find thier inner > chambers mixed and you also find less number of seeds. i dont cut a > rudraksha as lord shiva dwells in it but have seen a couple of 14 and > 13mukh beads when they got broken accidentally and then tested them. > i am not a hyprocite to treat a rudraksha as god and then cut and > test it like a commodity. i strictly believe a rudraksha as lord > shiva and hence will not cut it to test it. even the gentleman who > tested a 14mukh and found 14 loculi is laying emphasis on the word > well developed and large sized which means all the small and medium > sized rudraksha will not pass this test. most of the rudraksha of > higher mukh are available in small and medium size and the largest > beads are sold as collector beads at exorbitant prices as they are > very rarely available.> > also when a rudraksha is plucked from the tree and is cleaned and a > hole made, you would find several seeds falling off when the supplier > makes the hole. very rarely you find a higher mukh rudraksha without > a hole.> > so all i am saying is that there is no foolproof scientific test and > system to measure the number of seeds of a rudraksha or the number of > chambers inside the rudraksha matching the external lines.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy.com> > sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup@> > wrote:> >> > Dear Pandit Arjun,> > > > Do I understand you correctly that there is no 13 or 14 Nepali > mukhi beads in existence with the equivalent number of locules > inside? How many beads have you tested? What method did you use?> > > > Thanking you,> > > > Ole> > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote:> > dear brother richard> > > > you are truly blessed to see the original round ek mukh rudraksha > with > > your trusted late kalibaba. hope this answers to disbelievers who > call > > it a myth.> > > > elementary truth is that one would find several mukhi rudraksha > coming > > from the same tree. so if one finds only one line naturally > developed > > in a round rudraksha bead, he must construe it as a one mukh > rudraksha.> > > > i challenge openly with all those laboratary test hungry > disbelievers > > to prove 14 locules in a 14mukh rudraksha and 13 locules in a > 13mukh > > rudraksha. if they start mentioning exceptions and impossibilities, > > then they must not preach locules as a certain rule to decipher the > > number of lines external matching the number of locules within.> > > > the gods and sages have only advised to COUNT the number of lines > ON > > the rudraksha and i follow only that method treating it as a holy > > divine product with the invisible god dwelling in it.> > > > hence rudraksha is a matter of solicitation and a holy object of > > faith. a person who has faith in the sacred object and in the > person > > who provides that, buys it. a person not having faith does not buy > > it. it is as simple as it is. hence there is no need for us to have > > two groups of believers and disbelievers fighting each other to > prove > > their theory is correct.> > > > after all, we are all having the same objective of serving the > natives > > by providing them sacred objects and i advise all rudraksha > fraternity > > to serve their customers in their own ways instead of criticising > > others in an internecine way.> > > > with best wishes and blessings> > pandit arjun> > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > > > sacred-objects , "Richard Shaw-Brown" > > <rsbj66@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear All,> > > > > > It is amazing. If you want to see action in this group, then just> > > question goal dhana Eka Mukhi.> > > > > > Late Kali Baba of Nepal had a genuine goal dhana eka mukhi. For> > > certain. Seeing very closely is believing. And Kali Baba deserved > Eka> > > Mukhi. Actually Eka Mukhi is the ornament of Advaitavadins, > tyagis,> > > not Grihastas. I wouldn't wear an eka mukhi even if I had one. I > would> > > worship it as Lord Shiva. In my opinion Chaturdasha Mukhi is the> > > ultimate for Grihastas.> > > > > > Y/s,> > > Richard> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit > now.> >> > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows.> Answers - Check it out. > > > > > binode kripalani> numerologist 9831664581(Kolkata)> binodeuk binode_kripalani > > > Download prohibited? No problem. 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Guest guest Posted August 12, 2007 Report Share Posted August 12, 2007 sacred-objects , Shaligram Shala <shaligram8 wrote: Shri Rajiv JI Those beads which you are talking about and rightly so are made up beads .I was given beads which showed only one line from top to bottom but under a magnifing glass one could clearly see that the beads were filed in such a way that all other lines were erased excepting for one.Any way thank you for clarifing about the mukhis Umesh > Har Har Mahadev, > Prabhu Umesh ji, > Sir, I would like to answer your question in this way that so called one Mukhi which in my terms I call as underdeveloped 4 or 5 Mukhi has always 4 or 5 lines starting from the top and these 4 or 5 lines are seen at the end of the bead as well which is very nicely capped by so called knowledgeable suppliers very tactfully to befool the devotees. The same thing we observed when we tested 3 beads brought by three different devotees during our recent exhibitions. When we removed the caps clear 5 lines in two beads and 4 lines in one bead were observed starting from the top of the bead and also at the bottom of the bead. When > X-Ray test of these beads was done, very conspicuously 4 and 5 seeds were seen inside these so called 1 Mukhi beads. > Prabhu pl show me any bead with which has 1 Mukh or 1 line but no lines starting or ending at the top and the bottom respectively, I would like to see such a bead. Here the discussion is of cheating the innocent devotees and extorting enormous amount from them for such beads. > Prabhu further I would like to bring out for all devotees that even in 21 Mukhi there will be 100 percent 21 chambers, now seeds inside the bead can be 21 or few less, it depends upon the health of the bead. As I have already brought out that sometimes the chambers are so close especially in the higher Mukhis that their seeds actually merge with their chambers. But for beads like 1 or 2 Mukhi or 3, 4 5, 6, 7 Mukhis etc. the lines or Mukhs are so well apart that here the chance of seeds merging with the chambers is almost negligible or virtually impossible, then why at all we should compare these less Mukhis beads with higher Mukhis as far as the presence of seeds are concerned. I think the smaller Mukhis like 2 , 3 ,4 5, 6, etc but healthy bead will have all seeds inside them. So if we see 4 or 5 seeds inside a bead which has 1 clear Mukh but 4 or 5 lines starting from the top of the bead and also similar lines at the bottom of the bead also, will you take this bead as 1 > Mukhi roung bead and would like to pay Rs. 5 Lakhs for the same ????? Pl Ponder and give a serious thought !!!!! > So our advise to devotees is that they should purchase that bead which has very clear Mukhs. The likelyhood of having corresponding seeds inside in such beads is very high. > > Aum Namah Shivaye, > Rajiv Krishna Dasa > > Mahamuni Das <mahamuni wrote: > Yes! Well said! I echo these thoughts! > > - > umeshkhnn > sacred-objects > Friday, August 10, 2007 7:14 AM > Re: Ha ha!!! Eka Mukhi Katha > > > sacred-objects , vasdev kripalani udharam > <binnumero@> wrote: > >Hello Everybody, > > I would like to know that if a 21 mukhi with clear cut lines is cut > open and if 21 seeds are not found inside does it cease to be a 21 > mukhi??? > > Similiarly if a round bead with only one clearly marked line is cut > open and it has 2 seeds does it cease to be one mukhi??? > > I do not think that in the ancient times one had X-ray machines to > see inside the beads, so I think that at that time a round bead > having only one clear line would be ONE MUKHI.Any way its a matter > of faith Like they say if you belive then a stone also would be GOD > but without faith its a stone. > > Let each one follow their heart. > > umesh > > > Dear Sir, > > > > No one here is to be black listed. No one is wrong. > > > > Best wishes, > > Richard > > > > Respected Gentleman, > > If u black list anybody you are trying to antagonise,instead of > that i would suggest please help him out, since he knows not what > he should know.Be a guide line to him,show him the right part. > > You ignore him only when he does not accept the right > part. " Sacrifice takes you nearer to God. > > Sorry for interfering into your personal matter. > > > > Siddharth Mishra <sidhmis@> > wrote: > > Dear Pandit Arjun, > > For god sake pl dont misguide the menbers of this group with > your stupid theories. Here no body wants your 1 Mukhis Rudrakshas > for 2 or 3 Lakhs. Pl dont befool people for own your commercial > interests. > > It is a simple logic that a four Mukhi has 4 chambers and four > seeds similarly a 5 Mukhi has 5 seeds. There could be one odd > exception where in the bead might have less seed. But for that > exception we can not authentically comment on all Rudrakshas. > > Now pl dont ask me how many Rudrakshan I have cut. > > > > Respected Richard Sir, > > Pl ban this person from the group and his websit be > blacklisted. He appears to be a spurious supplier of Rudrakshas > whose main aim is to misguide people and sell his spurious 1 > Mukhis. Lets have the positive people and knowledgeable people like > you, Rajiv Krishna Dasa, Rudra Centre, Amit Uniyalji, etc. to guide > the whole fraternity of Rudrakshas. > > > > Regards, > > Siddharth > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > dear friend ole > > > > yes, i stick to my observation that in a four, five or six mukhi > > rudraksha the gap between the lines is wide and you find the > number > > of locules or chambers or seeds within it. but when comes to > higher > > mukh rudrakhsa like 13, 14 and above, you would fine few lines > having > > good gap and few lines especially on both sides near the centre, > have > > as little as no gap between them and hence you find thier inner > > chambers mixed and you also find less number of seeds. i dont cut > a > > rudraksha as lord shiva dwells in it but have seen a couple of 14 > and > > 13mukh beads when they got broken accidentally and then tested > them. > > i am not a hyprocite to treat a rudraksha as god and then cut and > > test it like a commodity. i strictly believe a rudraksha as lord > > shiva and hence will not cut it to test it. even the gentleman who > > tested a 14mukh and found 14 loculi is laying emphasis on the word > > well developed and large sized which means all the small and > medium > > sized rudraksha will not pass this test. most of the rudraksha of > > higher mukh are available in small and medium size and the largest > > beads are sold as collector beads at exorbitant prices as they are > > very rarely available. > > > > also when a rudraksha is plucked from the tree and is cleaned and > a > > hole made, you would find several seeds falling off when the > supplier > > makes the hole. very rarely you find a higher mukh rudraksha > without > > a hole. > > > > so all i am saying is that there is no foolproof scientific test > and > > system to measure the number of seeds of a rudraksha or the number > of > > chambers inside the rudraksha matching the external lines. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun, > > > > > > Do I understand you correctly that there is no 13 or 14 Nepali > > mukhi beads in existence with the equivalent number of locules > > inside? How many beads have you tested? What method did you use? > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > > > Ole > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > dear brother richard > > > > > > you are truly blessed to see the original round ek mukh > rudraksha > > with > > > your trusted late kalibaba. hope this answers to disbelievers > who > > call > > > it a myth. > > > > > > elementary truth is that one would find several mukhi rudraksha > > coming > > > from the same tree. so if one finds only one line naturally > > developed > > > in a round rudraksha bead, he must construe it as a one mukh > > rudraksha. > > > > > > i challenge openly with all those laboratary test hungry > > disbelievers > > > to prove 14 locules in a 14mukh rudraksha and 13 locules in a > > 13mukh > > > rudraksha. if they start mentioning exceptions and > impossibilities, > > > then they must not preach locules as a certain rule to decipher > the > > > number of lines external matching the number of locules within. > > > > > > the gods and sages have only advised to COUNT the number of > lines > > ON > > > the rudraksha and i follow only that method treating it as a > holy > > > divine product with the invisible god dwelling in it. > > > > > > hence rudraksha is a matter of solicitation and a holy object of > > > faith. a person who has faith in the sacred object and in the > > person > > > who provides that, buys it. a person not having faith does not > buy > > > it. it is as simple as it is. hence there is no need for us to > have > > > two groups of believers and disbelievers fighting each other to > > prove > > > their theory is correct. > > > > > > after all, we are all having the same objective of serving the > > natives > > > by providing them sacred objects and i advise all rudraksha > > fraternity > > > to serve their customers in their own ways instead of > criticising > > > others in an internecine way. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw-Brown " > > > <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > It is amazing. If you want to see action in this group, then > just > > > > question goal dhana Eka Mukhi. > > > > > > > > Late Kali Baba of Nepal had a genuine goal dhana eka mukhi. For > > > > certain. Seeing very closely is believing. And Kali Baba > deserved > > Eka > > > > Mukhi. Actually Eka Mukhi is the ornament of Advaitavadins, > > tyagis, > > > > not Grihastas. I wouldn't wear an eka mukhi even if I had one. > I > > would > > > > worship it as Lord Shiva. In my opinion Chaturdasha Mukhi is > the > > > > ultimate for Grihastas. > > > > > > > > Y/s, > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. > Tryit > > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone > who knows. > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > binode kripalani > > numerologist 9831664581(Kolkata) > > binodeuk@ > > binode_kripalani@ > > > > > > > > Download prohibited? No problem. 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