Dharma

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, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

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> Namste,

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> A friend asked me this question. Before answering him, I would like

to

> ask the opinion of the learned members:

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> " In the Gita, Krishna says we should follow our own dharma, even if

> its inferior to another. But say I am a violent & angry man, so my

> Dharma is one of violence. So can I go around killing people then? If

> not, I will be going against my Dharma? "

>

> with love

> Shantnu

>

I dont think " being violent " is dharma of anyone. Dharma has very

deep meaning and it is certainly not one's habits.

 

Dharma as Krishna meant was duty means if one is dong duty of shudra

or of a king or of a priest, one is entitled for Moksha as while

contine doing his dharma, he should surrender his Karma to Krishna.

It is like saying a serving man should not leave his job and try to be

a priest to be nearer to god.

 

Dharma is duty of a person where Nature has selected him to be.

 

Aum

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HARE RAM , HARE KRISHAN

 

> " In the Gita, Krishna says we should follow our own dharma, even if

> its inferior to another. But say I am a violent & angry man, so my

> Dharma is one of violence. So can I go around killing people then?

If

> not, I will be going against my Dharma? "

 

 

THANKS SIR JI FOR SHARING A BEAUTIFUL QUESTION

 

there is no Dharma of violance .that time the society was divided

into 4 classes and each class had its own Dharma .......

 

Fighting in a war for the Nation is not violance , but it is duty

define by the God Himself.

 

Hence Sir Ji first ask Him what is the cause of your violance and

who has given authority to show the violence on OTHERS EVEN TO

YOURSELF .........................

 

HARE RAM ,HARE RAM ,RAM RAM, HARE HARE , HARE KRISHAN , HARE

KRISHAN ,KRISHAN KRISHAN , HARE HARE

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, aumji <no_reply wrote:

 

> I dont think " being violent " is dharma of anyone. Dharma has very

> deep meaning and it is certainly not one's habits.

 

Thanks aumji & Jitendarji.

 

Can we say that being violent cannot be our Dharma, as God has also

given us a Buddhi(intelligence) to control our lower passions?

 

Regards violent people, can they join the army, police, fire brigade,

to use their energies in proper way? This way, they are not fighting

or suppressing their energies?

 

with love

Shantnu

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HARE RAM , HARE KRISHAN

 

 

> Can we say that being violent cannot be our Dharma, as God has also

> given us a Buddhi(intelligence) to control our lower passions?

>

> Regards violent people, can they join the army, police, fire brigade,

> to use their energies in proper way? This way, they are not fighting

> or suppressing their energies?

 

 

THANKS SIR JI

 

I WAS EXPECTING A QUESTION

 

This is not true that violent energy could be utilised in Army ,

police,............. for the NATION .....

 

in my opinion violance means " uncontrolled destructive energy used for

the satisfaction of own ego " . Hence fighting in a war for the Nation

is not a violent act but a duty to protect the Nation from enemies .

 

HARE RAM ,HARE RAM , RAM RAM ,HARE HARE , HARE KRISHAN , HARE

KRISHAN , KRISHAN KRISHAN ,HARE HARE

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Humble obeisances to all. Regarding dharma, there is one shloka  " DharaNat

dharma mityaahoo, dharmo dhaarayate praja: | Yasya dharana saMyuktam sa dharma

iti me mata:|| "   under this, " I am a violent & angry man, so my Dharma is one

of violence. So can I go around killing people then? If not, I will be going

against my Dharma? " doesn't suit. violance and anger are instincts of any body

and not soul. Regards to everyone.

 

 

 

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, " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja wrote:

 

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> This is not true that violent energy could be utilised in Army ,

> police,............. for the NATION .....

 

Jitendarji energies are not violent or good, its how we use them. Two

people, both with high energies, one of them might join the army & use

his energies to help the country. The other gets drunk & starts

fights. In both the cases, its the same energy being used.

 

Do you agree?

 

with love

Shantnu

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, keshav daund <keshav_daund wrote:

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> Humble obeisances to all. Regarding dharma, there is one shlokaÂ

" DharaNat dharma mityaahoo, dharmo dhaarayate praja: | Yasya dharana

saMyuktam sa dharma iti me mata:|| " Â under this, " I am a violent &

 

Keshavji, can you please give the english translation, as many people

in this club dont know Sanskrit.

 

love

Shantnu

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HARE RAM , HARE KRISHAN

 

 

> > This is not true that violent energy could be utilised in Army ,

> > police,............. for the NATION .....

>

> Jitendarji energies are not violent or good, its how we use them. >

 

 

THANKS SIR JI FOR CORRECTING ME

 

But in my opinion expressing the word Energy alone is a great topic

of Sadhana . But when this energy is associated with fluid , we call

it as Fluid energy , when with neuclear mass we call it nuclear

energy and when with positive task we can call it as positive energy

or .....................

 

But i am agree with you because your opinion is also right meaning

of your statement is also right .

 

Thanks Sir Ji

 

HARE RAM ,HARE RAM ,RAM RAM, HARE HARE , HARE KRISHAN , HARE

KRISHAN , KRISHAN KRISHAN , HARE HARE

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OMNAMONARAYANAYA

Keshavji , The Sanskrit word Dharm has more than one meaning.

Dharma =  One`s nature or character

Dharma =  Righteousness

The verse saying violence is dharma refers to the first meaning not the second

ijswamy

 

 

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--- On Wed, 11/26/08, keshav daund <keshav_daund wrote:

 

keshav daund <keshav_daund

Re:dharma

 

Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 2:38 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Humble obeisances to all. Regarding dharma, there is one shloka  " DharaNat

dharma mityaahoo, dharmo dhaarayate praja: | Yasya dharana saMyuktam sa dharma

iti me mata:|| "   under this, " I am a violent & angry man, so my Dharma is one of

violence. So can I go around killing people then? If not, I will be going

against my Dharma? " doesn't suit. violance and anger are instincts of any body

and not soul. Regards to everyone.

 

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OMNAMONARAYANAYA

Jituji, Pranams - Nuclear energy is produced when the nucleus of an atom is

split  . The nucleus gets fragmented to create energy enough to destroy cities

and countries. Sun emits energy. In the  Sun, Atoms are not split but nuclei of

two atoms fuse  producing energy. Solar energy is thus a type of nuclear energy

that does not expire or end. Solar energy is " swayambhoo " . It is positive never

ending energy.  Solar energy can cause Sun stroke and it can also enliven

rivers.

Spiritual energy of super humans is similar. It is positive or negative

depending on how it is used. Lord Sri Krishna did not lose His power after

enriching Arjun`s Gjnana .

ijswamy

 

~SWAMY

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--- On Wed, 11/26/08, jitendra kumar <jtin_ja wrote:

 

jitendra kumar <jtin_ja

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Solar energy is thus a type of nuclear energy that does not expire or

end. Solar energy is " swayambhoo " .

 

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HARE RAM ,HARE KRISHAN

 

THANKS SWAMYJI SIR JI FOR ENLIGHTENING ME

 

KEEP IT UP

 

HARE RAM, HARE RAM , RAM RAM, HARE HARE , HARE KRISHAN , HARE

KRISHAN , KRISHAN KRISHAN , HARE HARE

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Dharma

Dharma is a very complicated word, for

which there is no equivalent word in any other language, including English.

Dharma actually means that which upholds this entire creation. It is a Divine

law that is inherent and invisible, but responsible for all existence. Dharma

exists in all planes, in all aspects and at all levels of creation. In the

context of human life, dharma consists of all that an individual undertakes in

harmony with Divine expectations and his own inner spiritual aspirations,

actions that would ensure order and harmony with in himself and in the

environment in which he lives. Since this world is deluded, a human being may

not know what is right and what is wrong or what is dharma and what is adharma.

Hence he should rely upon the scriptures and adhere to the injunctions

contained there in. In short, dharma for a human being means developing divine

virtues and performing actions that are in harmony with the divine laws.

Dharma is considered to be the first

cardinal aim because it is at the root of everything and upholds everything.

For example see what happens when a person amasses wealth without observing

dharma or indulges in sexual passion against the social norms or established

moral values. Any action performed without observing dharma is bound to bring

misery and suffering and delay ones salvation. Hinduism therefore considers it

rightly as the first cardinal aim of life.

In ancient India dharmashastras (law

books) provided guidance to people in their day to day lives and helped them to

adhere to dharma. These law books were written for a particular time frame and

are no more relevant to the modern world. The best way to know what is dharma

and what is adharma, is to follow the religious scriptures such as the Bhagavad

gita and the Upanishads or any other scripture that contains the words of God.

 

Artha

Artha means wealth. Hinduism recognizes

the importance of material wealth for the overall happiness and well being of

an individual. A house holder requires wealth, because he has to perform many

duties to uphold dharma and ensure the welfare and progress of his family and

society. A person may have the intention to uphold the dharma, but if he has no

money he would not be able to perform his duties and fulfill his dharma.

Hinduism therefore rightly places material wealth as the second most important

objective in human life. Lord Vishnu is the best example for any householder

who wants to lead a life of luxury and still be on the side of God doing his

duties. As the preserver of the universe, Lord Vishnu lives in Vaikunth amid

pomp and glory, with the goddess of wealth herself by his side and yet helps

the poor and the needy, protects the weak, upholds the dharma and sometimes

leaving everything aside rushes to the earth as an incarnation to uphold

dharma.

Hinduism advocates austerity,

simplicity and detachment, but does not glorify poverty. Hinduism also

emphasizes the need to observe dharma while amassing the wealth. Poverty has

become a grotesque reality in present day Hindu society. Hindus have become so

poverty conscious that if a saint or a sage leads a comfortable life, they

scoff at him, saying that he is not a true yogi. They have to remind themselves

of the simple fact that none of the Hindu gods and goddesses are really poor.

Hinduism believes that both spiritualism

and materialism are important for the salvation of human beings. It is

unfortunate that Hinduism came to be associated more with spiritualism,

probably because of the influence of Buddhism, where as in truth Hinduism does

not exclude either of them. As Swami Vivekananda rightly said religion is not

for the empty stomachs. Religion is not for those whose main concern from

morning till evening is how to make both ends meet. Poverty crushes the spirit

of man and renders him an easy prey to wicked forces.

In ancient India Artha shastras

(scriptures on wealth) provided necessary guidance to people on the finer

aspects of managing their wealth. Kautilya's Artha Shastra, which is probably a

compilation of many independent works, gives us a glimpse of how money matters

were handled in ancient India.

 

Kama

Kama in a wider sense means desire and

in a narrow sense, sexual desire. Hinduism prescribes fulfillment of sexual

passions for the householders and abstinence from it for the students and

ascetics who are engaged in the study of the scriptures and in the pursuit of

Brahman.

The Bhagavad gita informs us that

desire is an aspect of delusion and one has to be wary of its various movements

and manifestations. The best way to deal with desires is to develop detachment and

perform desireless actions without seeking the fruit of ones actions and making

an offering of all the actions to God. This way our actions would not bind us

to the cycle of births and deaths.

Hinduism permits sexual freedom so long

as it is not in conflict with the first aim, i.e. dharma. Hindu scriptures

emphasize that the purpose of sex is procreation and perpetuation of family and

society, while the purpose of dharma is to ensure order in the institution of

family and society. A householder has the permission to indulge in sex, but

also has the responsibility to pursue it in accordance with the laws of dharma.

Marriage is a recognized social institution and marriage with wife for the

purpose of producing children is legitimate and in line with the aims of

dharma.

One of the important sects of Hinduism

is Tantricism. It recognizes the importance of sexual freedom in the liberation

of soul. The Tantrics accept sex as an important means to experience the

blissful nature of God and the best way to experience God in physical form.

They also refer to the concept of Purusharthas to justify their doctrines. They

believe that sexual energy is divine energy and it can be transformed into

spiritual energy through controlled expression of sex.

Just as the dharmashastras were written

for the sake of dharma, and artha shastras for artha, kama shastras were

composed in ancient India for providing guidance in matters of sex. We have

lost many of them because of the extreme secrecy and social disapproval

associated with the subject.

 

Moksha

If dharma guides the life of a human

being from below acting as the earth, showing him the way from above like a

star studded mysterious sky is moksha. Dharma constitutes the legs of a Purusha

that walk upon the earth; both artha and kama constitute his two limbs active

in the middle region; while moksha constitutes the head that rests in the

heaven.

Human life is very precious because of

all the beings in all the worlds, only human beings have the best opportunity

to realize the Higher self. It is also precious because it is attained after

many hundreds and thousands of lives. Rightly, salvation should be its ultimate

aim.

Moksha actually means absence of moha

or delusion. Delusion is caused by the inter play of the triple gunas. When a

person overcomes these gunas, he attains liberation. The gunas can be overcome

by detachment, self control, surrender to god and offering ones actions to God.

If dharma is the center of the wheel of

human life, artha and kama are the two spokes and moksha is its circumference.

If dharma is at the center of human life, beyond moksha there is no human life,

but only a life divine.

The four Purusharthas are also like the

four wheels of a chariot called human life. They collectively uphold it and

lead it. Each influences the movement of the other three, and in the absence of

any one of them, the chariot comes to a halt.