Guest guest Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 god is all powerful and can do anything. so no one can stop him from coming to earth in human form. those who oppose him in human form r nothing but devils-asuras and rakshasa. god has every right to protect his creation us humans. we want him between us. lord kalki pls come,i await u. om shakti gopal On 1/25/09, divinesprt <divinesprt wrote: > > Swami Shivananda, one of Ramakrishna's disciples, said: " If God does > not come down as a human being, how will human beings love him? That > is why He comes to human beings as a human being. People can love Him > as a father, mother, brother, friend—they can take any of these > attitudes. And He comes to each in whatever form that person loves. " > > Throughout the ages, spiritual renewal has come to humanity through > God manifesting in human form. The Sanskrit word " avatar " literally > means " descent of God. " Most of the world's religions have been given > impetus and direction by these spiritual giants—the incarnations, > prophets, and messengers of God. Jesus and Buddha, Rama and Krishna, > Moses and Muhammad, Chaitanya and Ramakrishna—all have been > torchbearers in the world of spirituality, pouring new energy into > religions that were sliding into hypocrisy and self-indulgence. > > The Bhagavad Gita declared thousands of years ago: > > When goodness grows weak, When evil increases, I make myself a body. > In every age I come back To deliver the holy, To destroy the sin of > the sinner, To establish righteousness. > > One of the great distinctions between Western and Eastern thought is > that the West tends to think in terms of linear time—the world and > human history having a definitive beginning, middle, and end. On this > horizontal time line, God has specific, historical interventions. In > contrast, the East thinks in terms of great cycles: ascension and > descension, creation and destruction, growth and decay; these cycles > are seen as continually repeating waves in an eternal cosmic process. > Civilizations, religions, and individuals are all part of this > ongoing cycle. The appearance of the avatar is essential to this > eternal movement of spiritual decline followed by regeneration. > > According to Vedanta, spiritual truth is eternal and universal: no > particular religion or sect can have a monopoly on it. The truth that > Christ discovered is the same truth that was revealed to the sages of > the Upanishads; it is the same truth that Krishna and Buddha taught > as well. Gautama said that there were many Buddhas before him, and in > the years to come there will be many more manifestations of God on > earth. > > Is there a purpose in all this? Yes. First, every avatar has a > specific message to impart to humanity: Muhammad taught equality and > the brotherhood of humanity; Christ revealed the primacy of God's > love over the letter of the Law; Buddha rejected priestcraft and > taught people to be lamps unto themselves; Krishna taught mental > equanimity and detached action; Ramakrishna taught the ideal of the > harmony of religions.Each incarnation has a message particular to the > age in which he appears. > > The second reason why the avatar incarnates is to reestablish the one > eternal religion—spiritual truth. While every avatar has specific > teachings, all incarnations come to pour spiritual fire into a world > sinking into religious mediocrity. No matter where the avatar > appears on earth, the entire world is uplifted and regenerated by his > advent. > > Does this mean that, according to Vedanta, God can be realized only > through his personal aspect? No. Does this mean that Vedanta says > that we must think of God as a person? No. > > What Vedanta says is that God can and does manifest through human > form, and that, for most people, it is easier to meditate upon and > love a God with form rather than a nebulous idea of infinite being, > consciousness, and bliss. This, however, is a matter of temperament. > Many people achieve spiritual growth through meditation upon the > avatar; they are followers of the path of bhakti yoga. Yet for others > this is entirely the wrong approach: those who are more intellectual > than emotional may well achieve greater spiritual awareness through > jnana yoga. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 Would you recognise lord Kalki when he knocks on your door? johan -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Namens gopal narayan Verzonden: zondag 25 januari 2009 5:24 Aan: Onderwerp: GOD IN HUMAN FORM god is all powerful and can do anything. so no one can stop him from coming to earth in human form. those who oppose him in human form r nothing but devils-asuras and rakshasa. god has every right to protect his creation us humans. we want him between us. lord kalki pls come,i await u. om shakti gopal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 i hope he does some real miracle,so i can recognise him. there r many people claiming to be lord kalki in india already. om shakti gopal On 1/27/09, johan <johanders wrote: > > Would you recognise lord Kalki when he knocks on your door? > > johan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 So, your gross eyes need " miracles " in order to see and believe or to have Faith? Then your faith is small since miracles can also be performed by white or black magicians, or shamans. It means that indeed, there are many who claim to be lord kalki by the extraordinary things they can do. Yet they are still not lord kalki. There is more connected to lord kalki then just being able to perform some " miracles " . Now, again, how could we recognize lord Kalki? johan Van: Namens gopal narayan Verzonden: dinsdag 27 januari 2009 8:15 Aan: Onderwerp: Re: GOD IN HUMAN FORM i hope he does some real miracle,so i can recognise him. there r many people claiming to be lord kalki in india already. om shakti gopal On 1/27/09, johan <johanders <johanders%40gmail.com> > wrote: > > Would you recognise lord Kalki when he knocks on your door? > > johan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 i am a humble human being,and so i request u to pls help me. pls tell me how we can recognise him ?? i am thirsty for knowledge. pls help me. om shakti gopal On 1/28/09, johan <johanders wrote: > > So, your gross eyes need " miracles " in order to see and believe or to > have > Faith? Then your faith is small since miracles can also be performed by > white or black magicians, or shamans. It means that indeed, there are many > who claim to be lord kalki by the extraordinary things they can do. Yet > they > are still not lord kalki. > > There is more connected to lord kalki then just being able to perform some > " miracles " . > > Now, again, how could we recognize lord Kalki? > > johan > > Van: <%40>[ > <%40>] > Namens gopal narayan > Verzonden: dinsdag 27 januari 2009 8:15 > Aan: <%40> > Onderwerp: Re: GOD IN HUMAN FORM > > i hope he does some real miracle,so i can recognise him. > > there r many people claiming to be lord kalki in india already. > > om shakti > gopal > > On 1/27/09, johan <johanders <johanders%40gmail.com> < > johanders%40gmail.com <johanders%2540gmail.com>> > > wrote: > > > > Would you recognise lord Kalki when he knocks on your door? > > > > johan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Dear Johan, Exactly right. If one has the urge, he can see God in every human being. Miracles come only next. A small story will be apt here.. Quote : " Once a famous scholar was lecturing on God. Suddenly a man appeared before him. The scholar asked him: “Who are you?” The man “I am the same God whose glories you are discoursing on”. The scholar replied, “You are God? You look just like us. How do I believe that you are God? I will have to test you out.” He took the brass water container vessel kept next to him and told God “here, if you can change this to gold only then will I believe that you are God” God was nonplussed. Before appearing he had thought that all these ardent hearers would ask him for devotion, pure knowledge etc. Here he was, stuck in an ignoble position of having to prove himself. Nevertheless he decided that it was better to prove rather than beat a retreat at this stage. He took the vessel and at His touch ..oops...the vessel changed into gold. He looked triumphantly around and saw that the entire audience had vanished. He looked puzzled trying to understand men. He did not have to think for long as he saw the entire audience returning all with the brass vessels, big vessels that they could lay their hands on. They wanted the whole lot to be turned into gold.God was wonderstruck " Unquote: That is the situation of most of us. Realising or Recognising Him is a great art and a lot of practice is needed which will take a good deal of time, may be few years. Pranam Rajagopalan C V Trichy India ________________________________ johan <johanders Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:45:44 PM RE: GOD IN HUMAN FORM So, your gross eyes need " miracles " in order to see and believe or to have Faith? Then your faith is small since miracles can also be performed by white or black magicians, or shamans. It means that indeed, there are many who claim to be lord kalki by the extraordinary things they can do. Yet they are still not lord kalki. There is more connected to lord kalki then just being able to perform some " miracles " . Now, again, how could we recognize lord Kalki? johan Van: Namens gopal narayan Verzonden: dinsdag 27 januari 2009 8:15 Aan: Onderwerp: Re: GOD IN HUMAN FORM i hope he does some real miracle,so i can recognise him. there r many people claiming to be lord kalki in india already. om shakti gopal On 1/27/09, johan <johanders <johanders%40gmail.com> > wrote: > > Would you recognise lord Kalki when he knocks on your door? > > johan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Dear Mr. Rajagopalan, Really an apt story for toady's definition of GOD. Believe me there are so many miracles happening in our day to day life but we do not realize them at that point in time, when we recollect the happening sometime latter we realize that it was a miracle. So God need not come in any form to perform the miracle, he is constantly doing doing them silently. Regards, S. Sathyanarayanan Mumbai, India --- On Thu, 1/29/09, raja gopalan <rajagopalancv2003 wrote: > raja gopalan <rajagopalancv2003 > Re: GOD IN HUMAN FORM > > Thursday, January 29, 2009, 9:24 AM > Dear Johan, > > Exactly right. If one has the urge, he can see God in every > human being. > Miracles come only next. A small story will be apt here.. > Quote : " Once a famous scholar was lecturing on God. > Suddenly a man appeared before him. > The scholar asked him: “Who are you?†> The man “I am the same God whose glories you are > discoursing onâ€. > The scholar replied, “You are God? You look just like us. > How do I believe that you are God? I will have to test you > out.†> He took the brass water container vessel kept next to him > and told God “here, if you can change this to gold only > then will I believe that you are God†> God was nonplussed. Before appearing he had thought that > all these ardent hearers would ask him for devotion, pure > knowledge etc. Here he was, stuck in an ignoble position of > having to prove himself. Nevertheless he decided that it was > better to prove rather than beat a retreat at this stage. > He took the vessel and at His touch ..oops...the vessel > changed into gold. > He looked triumphantly around and saw that the entire > audience had vanished. He looked puzzled trying to > understand men. > He did not have to think for long as he saw the entire > audience returning all with the brass vessels, big vessels > that they could lay their hands on. They wanted the whole > lot to be turned into gold.God was wonderstruck " > Unquote: >  > That is the situation of most of us. Realising or > Recognising Him is a great art > and a lot of practice is needed which will take a good deal > of time, may be few years. >  > Pranam >  > Rajagopalan C V > Trichy > India Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Dear Rajagopalan, Yes, this is true, isn't it? Men love forms and need forms in order to believe. That's why Jesus is object of worship in christianity, and that's why Mohammed is object of worship in Islam. The same with Krishna in Hinduism and more or less Moses also in Judaism. That's why the Tao Te Ching and Buddhism and Gnosis and also the Sufi appeal only to the more advanced seekers of Truth. They begin to understand that their object of worship lies within. That's why the statement of Know Thyself is one of the most revealing wisdoms ever told. If Knowing Thyself can be practiced, believing will be Transcended into true Faith and this into Knowing. Indeed, recognising and even realizing this, is a great art. johan -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Namens raja gopalan Verzonden: donderdag 29 januari 2009 4:54 Aan: Onderwerp: Re: GOD IN HUMAN FORM Dear Johan, Exactly right. If one has the urge, he can see God in every human being. Miracles come only next. A small story will be apt here.. Quote : " Once a famous scholar was lecturing on God. Suddenly a man appeared before him. The scholar asked him: “Who are you?” The man “I am the same God whose glories you are discoursing on”. The scholar replied, “You are God? You look just like us. How do I believe that you are God? I will have to test you out.” He took the brass water container vessel kept next to him and told God “here, if you can change this to gold only then will I believe that you are God” God was nonplussed. Before appearing he had thought that all these ardent hearers would ask him for devotion, pure knowledge etc. Here he was, stuck in an ignoble position of having to prove himself. Nevertheless he decided that it was better to prove rather than beat a retreat at this stage. He took the vessel and at His touch ..oops...the vessel changed into gold. He looked triumphantly around and saw that the entire audience had vanished. He looked puzzled trying to understand men. He did not have to think for long as he saw the entire audience returning all with the brass vessels, big vessels that they could lay their hands on. They wanted the whole lot to be turned into gold.God was wonderstruck " Unquote: That is the situation of most of us. Realising or Recognising Him is a great art and a lot of practice is needed which will take a good deal of time, may be few years. Pranam Rajagopalan C V Trichy India Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Dear gopal, The saying goes: 'like attracts like'. It means that only those who are of the same nature can recognise the other truly and thoroughly. The good and naive will never recognize the thief. The atheist will never recognize God. In principal we say that one who has the mysterious Virtue, like we call this in Gnosis, will be able to recognize the energy that radiates from a Saint. This energy is a Force coming from a magnetic field that is imbued in the Saint due to his/her increased awareness and being reconnected again with Spirit. This Mysterious Virtue is man's ability to love the Truth with his heart, mind and soul. It means that this person's soul has matured and will be able to absorb the ancient Wisdom and also to start walking back Home. If one is a sincere seeker of the ancient Truth, if one loves God truly, one will definitely feel the energy of Kalki and a great devotion will be born in his/her heart. The presence alone of Kalki will bring Harmony and positive lightness in one's life. One would like to do good and to love humanity. Sometimes, due to the difference in energy and vibration some slight superficial disturbances will appear like feeling hot and get sweating. This is not serious. On the other hand, one who is not a sincere seeker, the one who does not truly love God, the one whose soul is not yet mature, such a person will feel troubled and agitated and perhaps even feel anger in Kalki's presence. Kalki's energy will bring to this person disharmony. As usual God's energy is like a sword. It is easy to notice. The one who has the mysterious Virtue has the potential to become God. Hence the saying " like attracts like' will fit perfectly. He/she will recognize Kalki. Maybe not immediately, but certainly later on. One who raised his/her awareness already a bit more, will feel Kalki's vibration. johan Van: Namens gopal narayan Verzonden: woensdag 28 januari 2009 16:49 Aan: Onderwerp: Re: GOD IN HUMAN FORM i am a humble human being,and so i request u to pls help me. pls tell me how we can recognise him ?? i am thirsty for knowledge. pls help me. om shakti gopal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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