Krishna, Budha & Jesus

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Hello kini,

 

Well, Krishna indeed was an avatar, same as Buddha and Jesus Christ. They

all three were and still are worshipped by their followers.

 

Krishna sang the great Song of the Universal Unmanifested from where all

manifested and unmanifested life sprang forth.

 

He testified of the great Day of existence and the great Night of all

non-existence; thus He testified of All there is.

 

When he explained about being God, Krishna meant the I AM Principle within,

which is man's essential, which is man's godspark and through which man can

be glorified by Spirit. As such He was talking about something totally

different than his mortal being wrapped around his immortal and blessed

soul.

 

Let us also become aware of the time epoch during which Krishna appeared and

talked. He came when people had to become familiar with One Godhead and to

become devoted to the manifestation of this Godhead. The people in that

period were not that evolved as today. The great great majority behaved more

like a child who is playing, singing about and enjoying mortal life which

was to be experienced to a great extent. They were not interested in the

Eternal and Highest Unmanifested, but were definitely interested in the

unseen forces that effected daily life and which they worshipped in order to

please them for obvious reasons.

 

Krishna incarnated and called himself the Unmanifested in order to make

people believe in One single God. He pointed out that everybody could find

the same Godly blessings. In this respect he was the pure and God's

Messenger pointing to and making clear the existence of the Way of Reversal

and how to prepare oneself.

 

He had to testify that he was the personalization of God, in fact that he

WAS God. In that way he could find true devotees, however at the serious

risk that all those who were only capable of seeing a mortal being, might

come to adore this fleshly being as the great idol more than the God in

their heart. And so it happened. The very same pattern we see in the west

today where the western christian churchgoers adore Jesus as the great God

idol.

 

This is the dogmatic problem of all traditional religions.

 

God is Spirit. Not the mortal being should be adored or idolized, but God

Himself. Never is the mortal being, how exalted it may ever become in its

expression of Bliss, the object of our adoration. It is God, the Spirit at

the background, the ever vibrating Light that should be adored. No idols are

permitted except the One, the All there is.

 

While Krishna developed the roots of the higher Faith for the One God in the

East which also laid the foundation later for the superb Wisdom that does

characterize the East; with Buddha and later also Jesus the Christ, the

message about the existence of the One God in all hearts of mankind was even

more discriminated.

 

Both represented two different aspects of the Trinity which is God.

 

Buddha represented Wisdom/Intelligence and spoke of it, and he truly WAS the

Sage.

 

Jesus represented the aspect Cosmic Love and demonstrated in a extraordinary

way this Love and the walking of the Path by his crucifixion.

 

Today we are arriving at the point that the third and last aspect of the

trinity of God will be introduced: God's Will. In particular in this time

where at the cusp of a new age, mankind will get the choice to either

acknowledge Him and prepare themselves to merge with Him, or to hold to the

old standards and deny Him.

 

A whole new Age for mankind is arriving. A new cycle will be born for the

expression of mankind for an entirely new human race.

 

An avatar is not the same as God. There are two reasons for my statement:

 

1. While God is Perfect, man is not. Even when such a man is Holy, he still

owns a body which can never become totally perfect. Such a body ever

vibrates in a gross vibration, and has to be fed and maintained by the lower

sources from this world. The physical body is the great hindrance for any

holy men, even an avatar, to get and hold the vibration of God.

 

2. The Godspark in our heart is the atomic projection of the All, the latter

is the immeasurable and infinite consciousness of the Light.

 

If man's Godspark is ignited, it has in itself an abundance of divine

qualifications and powers, but can never attain the same qualifications as

those from God, who is infinitely huge.

 

johan

[Guest guest]

Johan,

 

There are so many issues to discuss here. But first I

will reply to your point about “While Krishna

developed the roots of the higher Faith for the One

God in the East……”

 

One of the most beautiful characteristics of Hinduism

is freedom of expression. There is no authoritarian

central body which lays down what is God, how He is to

be worshipped, what is heretical etc. No burning at

the stakes for heretical views. That is why the

scriptures have been interpreted in different ways by

saints down the ages. There are different sects in

Hinduism which can be broadly classified into

Vaishnavites, Smaartas, Shaivites, Shaaktas,

Ganapatyas. There are different schools of philosophy

/ Vedanta viz, Dwaita, Advaita, Vishistadwaita etc.

However, the ideology of these schools is based on

the Vedas and other scriptures.

 

According to the Vedas there is only One God, contrary

to the biased (derogatory) ‘non-hindu’ notion that

Hindus worship 330 million Gods. The Vedas speak of

only one God even though He is referred to by

different names in the Vedas, like Agni, Indra etc.

The scriptures speak of 33 koti (330 million???) Gods.

As mentioned in one of my earlier posts, Sanskrit is

such a complex language, that many meanings can be had

from a single word. It requires a certain intellect to

intepret the meaning in the context in which it is

written.

 

The word 'Koti' here is not a number, but a descending

order of hierarchy (different levels) of souls (33 in

number) with Paramatma (God) at the top. (This is a

complex issue which cannot be condensed into this

post. To understand this, one has to make a detailed

study of Hindu philosophy). In Hindu Philosophy, the

term ‘deva’ is used to refer to celestial beings

(souls) inhabiting a region which can be loosely

called Heaven in English. Christianity also has these

beings eg. Cherubs, Seraphs, Angels (who have a

hierarchical order), etc. In Hinduism, the words

“Paramaatma”, “Ishwara” or “Bhagavanta” refer to the

One Supreme Being called ‘God’ in English.

 

The concept of One God was present in the world’s

earliest civilization right from the beginning. So

also was the concept that there were lesser Gods (say,

lieutenants of the One God) who were assigned

different duties and domains. Eg. Indra (rain), Agni,

(fire), Vayu (air), Varuna (water) etc. Hindus knew

that these (lesser) Gods would be able to give them

only material benefits and not salvation.

 

 

The goal of any human being is to attain salvation

(moksha) which only the Supreme Being can give. Sri

Krishna says so in the Bhagavad Gita. - Jnana-Vijnana

Yoga. Chapter 7.

 

…..and Johan, please do not try to explain to me (or

convince me) that an Avatar is not the same as God.

We Hindus believe that an avatar is God Himself and we

do not need any modern day ‘rational’ explanation to

the contrary. Holy men (Sants) are different from

Avataars. While holy men are pious individuals, an

avatar is the materialisation of God Himself in human

form on this earth. God is Omnipotent, Omniscient,

Omnipresent and when He manifests Himself in human

form, He sees to it that the form taken by Him is not

confined by terrestrial/physical limitations.

 

Again, a study of our Scriptures will make this clear.

All answers will be found there. But the same has to

be approached with an unbiased mind. This is because

Hinduism has been denigrated over the centuries by

other religions to such an extent that it is easy for

non-hindus to believe otherwise.

 

Although I have read our scriptures, I do not consider

myself qualified to interpret and explain them in

detail. Which is why I am refraining from quoting from

our scriptures.

 

Rest, later when I find time.

 

BTW I request other members to contribute to this

discussion too.

 

U. V. KINI