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(There was no debate,just a clarification.We Indians do not know how

to discuss in a positive way and tend to take every dissenting voice

as an argument.There is a hell lot of difference between an argument

and a constructive spiritual discussion.This is the purpose of Sat-

sangha and not just doing some perfunctory bhajans in the name of

Lord and exchanging pleaseantaries with your co-bhrathas and bhaginis)

" I may not agree with what you say but I will fight till my last

breath for your right to say so " )

 

FIRST PART:

 

If prayers to a Godly form is " spiritually childish " , then I feel

that one must first learn to be a child and then maybe we might try

to worship in a formlessway (I will never dare to say before

Amba, " Amba I will pray you as an adult, Bye...now let me go to

formless " .)

 

These type of trends/concepts/precepts started with the Britishers

trying to enforce Chrisitianity into our nation by converting all and

sundry ritualistic modes into vedantist explanations and we having a

slavist tendency(with a formidable propensity to bootlick anything

said by the white-man) to regard such words as something really great.

 

This does not mean Nirguna,swaswarUpAnusandhAna,Antar-yagna modes of

worship,etc do not exist(Has it happened to me? If I define then

maybe it has not happened. So let me remain mum here)

 

SECOND PART:

 

Moksha,hmm... Well, if one has known how one gets it then one exists

no more to explain it.This is my take on it.

 

What we lean on to explain this concept is what people and scriptures

have said.

 

Moksha maybe real death and thus can someone who is dead be alive to

explain it?It is a total annihilation.

 

On the Peaked Mountain is a Summit High,

Beyond the Summit blows a Gusty Wind;

There blossomed a Flower that its fragrance spread

Within that Flower, a Bee its Nectar imbibed,

--

 

How is this? Quite " childish " huh?

 

It is interesting to explore the teasing character of a Siddha(the

above verse by Thirumoolar) language that strives very hard to set up

a situation where they try not to tell you something…Why? Because,

 

" Kandavar Vindilaar, Vindavar Kandilaar "

(Those who have seen, do not/cannot tell, those who speak do not

know/seen)

 

Ok, the meaning: The gusty wind of the controlled breath spreads the

fragrance of the Sahasraara lotus at the crown of the head in which

the Lord as a tiny bumble bee sits, lapping up the nectar of

immortality. The image of the mountain, usually infers the body

seated in meditation or the central naadii Shashumna through which

the kundalini shakti flows. We can see this same kind of imagery in

later Sanskrit works, like the Shat Chakra Niroopana, where Shushumna

is called the Meru-danda.

 

THIRD PART:

 

Even Srividya Upasana which you are taking has a " form " . It has the

form of mantras.Isn't it? Why do you need the crutch of mantras to

gain moksha? To define form as just a pictorial or idolatory form

alone is being childish.

 

Any concept has a form. Can you be truly conceptless?

 

On the otherhand, any mantra creates a form, a mantric matrix, can

you escape this embededness?

 

Reading a few intellectual books on Srividya does do good on an

intellectual level. It creates an interest, it ignites something but

then something else is necessary to fan the flames.

 

Books are tinder, your reading is the igniting,but what about fanning

the flames to sustain the fire?

 

Focusing on this would be better than thinking of the final product

of this fire--which is nothing but ashes!(your ego burnt completely)--

THE STATE OF MOKSHA.

 

GOD = Go on deriving....keep deriving from the platform derivative.

 

Experiencing, doing something creative, something that fires the

aspiration.Even this expansion of GOD was derived by my creativity

spontaneously as I type..i know it sounds stupid for some beautiful

for some but it is better than to copy someone who defines it as

Generator, Operator & destroyer...on the basis of Triune gods of

Brahma,Vishnu and Brahma,which again is a " form " .

 

We all keep deriving with every breath. Every moment we change, were

you the same say, two days ago? where you the same as when you were

say 31 years ago when you were just 1 year old? Iam just a year or

two younger to you.

 

Dont you feel that we were better when we simply folded our hands and

prayed to Divine mother when we were both 1 year old? With full faith

that She might come from the idol and drink the milk?

 

I used to wait like that when my father used to say " Dattatreya will

come and drink the coconut water " I dint understand when he said

something about " Etheric shareera of Datta coming and drinking the

coconut water " nor did I understand the advanced explanations of a

Swaswaroopanusandhaka regarding the Athmic samyogana of offering

cocnut water.

 

All I did was to offer the Lord and wait...Maybe if my father had

kept quite Datta would have come.Maybe I did not wait enough as a

child.

 

Keep these " fathers " (who come in the form of Books,articles,advices

of Psuedo-vedantists) silent or run away from them and do the upasana

of divine mother which you are taking soon, in silence. This is your

1 year old friend saying not a " Srividya aquaintance " confabulating

with you.

 

 

FOURTH PART:

 

I remain silent as Iam a child and ignorant as to ways of God,

Goddess or Moksha.So if I have yakked above forgive it as an empty

rambling by some wayfarer.

 

Jaya Kapalini!

Jaya Vijrumbhini!

 

Shreeram Balijepalli

 

 

 

Rajarajeshwari_Kalpataru , " anandsrinivasraman "

<anaraman wrote:

>

> Pranams Learned ones,

> I think the whole debate about prayer to any godly form for moksha

is

> spiritually childish. This statement been made let me introduce

> myself. I am Anand Srinivas Raman, (Sanatana Introduction:Srivatsa

> gotra Aapasthambha sutra Yajur shaakaa adhyahi Satya Sharma nama).

I

> have been an upasak of Ganesha since 12, doing japa of what is

known

> in some parts of India ass Ganapathy Atharvashirsha and in other as

> Ganapathy Upanishad , Both being the same thing. As I write I am 32

> yrs old. I practice mantra as a part of my daily life.I am soon to

be

> initiated into Sri vidya by my maternal grandfather. I practice

> Sumuhki mantra japa.

> This is what I think about moksha:

> God is shiva and shakti being Intelligence and energy. The two

> combine to create. That creation is Maya, as real as our thoughts

and

> as illusionary as our imagination. Moksha itself may be release of

> the soul from Maya the illusion, or from the cycle of birth and

> death, or from ignorance having been set onto the path of gyana and

> bhakti. I personnaly define Moksha as the ascension of Kundalini

> shakthi to Sahasrara and its retention there in this life and body,

> for i believe such ascension and retention releases the soul from

> bondage of physical body by giving absolute control over the

physical

> existence namely Maya and there from transforming man from mortal

to

> the true immortal for such a soul takes full control of its actions

> knowing fully the consequences of such actions. Such a soul is also

> released from the cycle of birth and death and such a soul also

knows

> the ultimate truth that we define as GOD.

> I heard a rather interesting expansion of GOD - Generator Operator

> Destroyer. And if you analyse man's life you will find we are all

> doing the same thing with every breath we take.

>

> Regards

> Anand