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SrimAtre namaH

 

You admit that a) you are not an expert and b) you have limited

experience - yet you assert with so much confidence :-))

 

1) You say " few have the capacity *as she should be worshipped* " - is

there only one way! And will a mother ignore a sincere praise or

offering from her child. Even a mother of this world gets excited will

go gaga when her little child just learning to speak call her out with

love - even by any name. Here you are taking about avyAja karuNa muuRtiH

(992). There are so many references to her boundless compassion. Any one

who desires to worship her has the capacity to worship.

 

2) " all and sundry " - all are her children! - with a little bit of

training and proper guidance almost anyone can be made eligible. Even

according to the text itself it is open for all varNa-s, all ashraama-s

and both genders. It has much broader scope than even other vaidIka

karma-s. She is also called abaalagopaviditaa (994).

 

 

 

Thanks.

Ravi

 

 

Pb Krishnamurthy wrote:

> Namasthe All

> I am not an expert on these topics.

> But from my limited experience I say with confidence Sri Vidya is not for all

and sundry but only for a selected few who have the capacity to worship her as

she should be worshipped

> Om Shri Mathre Namah

> PBK

>

> --- On Wed, 6/24/09, rohit kumtha <rohitkumtha wrote:

>

>

> rohit kumtha <rohitkumtha

> Re: Re: meru

>

> Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 8:44 AM

>

>

> Dear Shri Shankaranarayanji

>

> No one except the Guru can judge whether a person has attained " moksha " .

Actually, the? question should be; is mokhsa something, or some state of mind

which can be attained??

>

> It is not my contention that you provoke or insist everyone to follow

ShriVidya. Although it would have been? a happier world if every one had the

capability to follow ShriVidya.

>

> Your statement that Shri Vidya is for the masses, is what struck me as

incorrect.

>

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Dear Ravi,

 

What you say is true, about anyone desirous of worshiping Her can worship

Her.?There is no doubt here.??Each person can worship Her as per his / her

capacity.?

 

But in the case of Shri Vidya, where there are specific mantras and japa, and

dos and donts,?etc etc. training and guidance is essential.? You have yourself

mentioned that with proper guidance and training a lay person can be made

capable.? But the lay person in the first place must have?inclination and

capacity to be trained..?

 

Shri Vidya?in its fullest sense needs a very high degree of " adhikaritvam " on

the part of the student. How many can claim to have this?high degree?capacity??

 

You cant?give out mantras of this?type to any tom dick and harry at the drop of

a hat.?

??Just as you need to pass several standards in school to reach the??graduation

level , so also, ??a student needs to pass through various levels of sadhana to

attain to a level where Shri Vidya is easily imbibed.?

 

So, training and guidance is essential through a competant Guru, and also very

important is the competance,? capacity?and seriousness of the? student.? ?

 

Just? a?simple mode of? worship?needs a little training.?But Shri Vidya is not

that simple and just simple training and guidance will not help.

 

With prayers to the Lotus Feet of the Mother,?that She may?enlighten us.

 

Regards?

 

Rohit?

 

 

 

 

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Thursday, 25 June, 2009 4:34:38 AM

Re: Re: meru

 

 

 

 

 

SrimAtre namaH

 

You admit that a) you are not an expert and b) you have limited

experience - yet you assert with so much confidence :-))

 

1) You say " few have the capacity *as she should be worshipped* " - is

there only one way! And will a mother ignore a sincere praise or

offering from her child. Even a mother of this world gets excited will

go gaga when her little child just learning to speak call her out with

love - even by any name. Here you are taking about avyAja karuNa

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Dear Ravi

 

Thanks for your mesg.

 

So I should start doing the navAvarNA pooja, whether my guru gives the go ahead

or not. SHE anyway will not mind.

 

srI harI

Gopi

 

 

 

 

 

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To which sampradaya you belong? There are different ways of pAtrAsAdhana

depending upon the achara of guru parampara. Without consulting the guru, what

is the procedure of visesha arghya, sAmAna arghya, bindu tarpana, types of patra

prayoga. Any mistake in pAtra sadhana, would incur the wrath of yoginis.

 

I don't understand why people take chances in tantra prayoga.

 

Dear gopi, this is my last post to you, as a friend & well wisher.

 

Though mother is avyaja karunamurti, she can be appeased with some other means

like stotra of saundaryalahari but no games with merus and srividya tantra.

 

all the best to you...

 

 

 

, Gopi <antarurjas wrote:

>

> Dear Ravi

>  

> Thanks for your mesg.

>  

> So I should start doing the navAvarNA pooja, whether my guru gives the go

ahead or not. SHE anyway will not mind.

>  

> srI harI

> Gopi

>

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Hello Mr Gopi,

Nothing Doing Navavaranapuja with out Guru's go head. You can go head provided

if you have mantra siddhi (That you can only know or your guru can know), that

everything depends your go head on risk or mother's grace.

How can one? attempt to do navarana puja without guur's concenrn.

if some guru does not permitting to go head mean s, you have not reached that

state .

?

with regards

Kameswara

 

--- On Thu, 25/6/09, Gopi <antarurjas wrote:

 

 

Gopi <antarurjas

Re: Re: meru

 

Thursday, 25 June, 2009, 11:09 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ravi

?

Thanks for your mesg.

?

So I should start doing the navAvarNA pooja, whether my guru gives the go ahead

or not. SHE anyway will not mind.

?

srI harI

Gopi

 

 

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Sriram, probably you are a loner in this forum. Only a very few join you here in

the upkeep of prescriptions regarding srichakra pooja.

 

This is what I have understood from most of the other postings: 

1. Its ok for everyone to have a meru. One doesnt need to give you the ok for

that.

2. It is ok to do pooja in a way that is comfortable to you.(khadgamala is not

necessary, leave alone navAvarNam.)

3. If your guru has allowed it, you can install the meru wherever you want. The

authority for this is not sastra pramANA, but " ones own experience " .

 

These bhaktAs, seem to be enjoying the pleasure of doing pooja to her and HER

anugraham, whether the rules of argya, pAtra, tarpaNa are followed or not.  I am

not even getting into the " SHE-is avyAjakaruNAmurthi-thinking " at all. If one

follows that, just about any form of pooja seems to be ok.This is what I infer

from the often read comments in this forum.

 

What then is this whole thing about following sAstrA? What seems to be critical

is one's heart to want to do pooja to HER and faith. just that. 

 

Why then,is your anger directed only at me , Sriram?

 

srI harI

Gopi

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear gopi,

 

This is not anger but anguish.

 

You belong to the parampara of brahmasri Tadepalli Raghavanarayana Sastrigal of

chandavolu. Please donot forget this!!

 

You parama guru shri dendukuri Mallikarjuna Somayaji, who is known to me, is the

disciple of Shri Sastrigal of Chandavolu. please donot forget this!!

 

Having been comming from such sampradaya, how can you take the sastra in your

hands and twist it as per your own convenience?

 

Sri sastrigal of chandavolu, an epitome of srividya sampradaya and anushtana,

was verily the parabhattarika himself.

 

It is my sincere request that please live upto his expectations!!!

 

That's it.

 

regs,

sriram

 

, Gopi <antarurjas wrote:

>

> Sriram, probably you are a loner in this forum. Only a very few join you here

in the upkeep of prescriptions regarding srichakra pooja.

>  

> This is what I have understood from most of the other postings: 

> 1. Its ok for everyone to have a meru. One doesnt need to give you the ok for

that.

> 2. It is ok to do pooja in a way that is comfortable to you.(khadgamala is not

necessary, leave alone navAvarNam.)

> 3. If your guru has allowed it, you can install the meru wherever you want.

The authority for this is not sastra pramANA, but " ones own experience " .

>  

> These bhaktAs, seem to be enjoying the pleasure of doing pooja to her and HER

anugraham, whether the rules of argya, pAtra, tarpaNa are followed or not.  I am

not even getting into the " SHE-is avyAjakaruNAmurthi-thinking " at all. If one

follows that, just about any form of pooja seems to be ok.This is what I infer

from the often read comments in this forum.

>  

> What then is this whole thing about following sAstrA? What seems to be

critical is one's heart to want to do pooja to HER and faith. just that. 

>  

> Why then,is your anger directed only at me , Sriram?

>  

> srI harI

> Gopi

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Sriram

 

You have taken the names of such guru's. It is in their grace that even the

little that I know about the navAvarNa pooja is possible.

 

I had written to your personal mail, but thot will atleast place this in the

forum.

 

Dear all, while every guru paramparA has been saying about the dos and donts of

srividyA upAsana and the pooja to meru, it was my anguish and intrigue in trying

to understand that extreme variations from the sampradAya were " allowed to

happen " in various names. Some very senior members of this forum, who in the

past had talked of strict adherance to the sampradAya, have been making comments

in the recent past of " its ok to do this/ that etc. "

 

My expression of " ok let me start the navAvarNA " was an expression on this

anguish. Looks like following sampradhAya including its restrictions ( as

compared to, " I feel it is ok. I expereince it in me to do it differently and I

think that is proper " ), is actually a choice of a sAdhakA, than a requirement.

 

sampradayeshwaryai namaha

gurumaNdala rUpiNyai namaha

 

srI harI

Gopi

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Shri Gopi,

 

Shriram's anguish is shared by me also.? Even if he is a loner in this group, he

speaks what is mentioned in the shastra and?one should strive not to cross the

word of the shastra.

 

Ones own experience can be resorted to only if the shastra is silent on a

particular topic. Even then the pramana in this case will be the words and

actions of eminent persons before ones own experience.?

 

By all means?worship the Mother in the way and means comfortable to you.??Just

any simple form of puja is ok?, but?not for the ShriChakra.?

 

Going by your Guruparampara, you should be the first to uphold its?sanctity.??

 

Regards

Rohit

 

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sriram <sriram_sapthasathi

 

Thursday, 25 June, 2009 4:30:53 PM

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Dear gopi,

 

This is not anger but anguish.

 

You belong to the parampara of brahmasri Tadepalli Raghavanarayana Sastrigal of

chandavolu. Please donot forget this!!

 

You parama guru shri dendukuri Mallikarjuna Somayaji, who is known to me, is the

disciple of Shri Sastrigal of Chandavolu.

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my 2 cents after going through the articles on meru....

 

If some one says that we have a shortcut route from chennai central to airport

through a swarangam which does not take more than 45 minutes, though that route

is never used from years and many warned that there are dangerous creatures in

the route like snakes, scorpions poisonous spiders etc..do we opt that

route..ofcourse everyone prefers the best and safest route to the destination.

may b we prefer to go by taxi,bus or local train even if its time consuming as

it is safest by all means.

likewise..srividya upasana or meru chakra puja without proper guru's guidance

and utmost care is same like going thru the swarangam path without any

torch(guru guidance).

Instead lets go thru satvik/ safest aradhana like sandhya vandanam(gayatri

japam/mantrAnushthAnam) , lalita sahasranamam, trisathi..kadgamala parayana

everyday. these are very much equivalent to srividya/meru puja.,

 

Jayostu lalite

Gopala K Talluri

 

When you are DOWN to nothing.... Mother is UP to something! Faith sees

the invisible, believes the incredible and receives the impossible!

Thank Mother for our physical AND our spiritual nourishment.

 

--- On Thu, 25/6/09, rohit kumtha <rohitkumtha wrote:

 

 

rohit kumtha <rohitkumtha

Re: Re: meru

 

Thursday, 25 June, 2009, 1:12 PM

 

 

Dear Shri Gopi,

 

Shriram's anguish is shared by me also.? Even if he is a loner in this group, he

speaks what is mentioned in the shastra and?one should strive not to cross the

word of the shastra.

 

Ones own experience can be resorted to only if the shastra is silent on a

particular topic. Even then the pramana in this case will be the words and

actions of eminent persons before ones own experience.?

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namaste Gopi,

 

It is quite unfair to the whole group by such a broad brush. There are

over 700+ members and only a handful of us write often. There are many

many silent members. Even if you go by frequency, in the last few

months it was Satish and Sriram posted often - my understanding based on

their posts is they both stand by orthopraxy.

 

Our goal is state to the requirements based on texts and leave it at

that. We do not want to judge or criticize if someone is not following

it. For example, see the FAQ in files area on lalitaa sahasranaama and

trishatii.

 

If you and Sriram have dynamics outside the list - it would be nice if

you both can keep it outside. There is no reason for getting personal on

publicly archived forum such as this.

 

SrimAtre namaH

 

With best wishes,

Ravi

 

 

 

 

Gopi wrote:

> Sriram, probably you are a loner in this forum. Only a very few join you here

in the upkeep of prescriptions regarding srichakra pooja.

>

> This is what I have understood from most of the other postings:

> 1. Its ok for everyone to have a meru. One doesnt need to give you the ok for

that.

> 2. It is ok to do pooja in a way that is comfortable to you.(khadgamala is not

necessary, leave alone navAvarNam.)

> 3. If your guru has allowed it, you can install the meru wherever you want.

The authority for this is not sastra pramANA, but " ones own experience " .

>

> These bhaktAs, seem to be enjoying the pleasure of doing pooja to her and HER

anugraham, whether the rules of argya, pAtra, tarpaNa are followed or not. I am

not even getting into the " SHE-is avyAjakaruNAmurthi-thinking " at all. If one

follows that, just about any form of pooja seems to be ok.This is what I infer

from the often read comments in this forum.

>

> What then is this whole thing about following sAstrA? What seems to be

critical is one's heart to want to do pooja to HER and faith. just that.

>

> Why then,is your anger directed only at me , Sriram?

>

> srI harI

> Gopi

>

>

>

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namasthe Ravi,

 

I understand your point. I was only basing my responses on the comments received

in the forum. You probably want me to understand the " para " and " pashyanthi "

parts of the forum or the intent of the comments made by the members, instead of

the reacting to the stated " vaikari " aspects. Will try doing this in future.

 

I did write to Sriram explaining why I was saying what I was saying, as I really

didnt want to prolong the angle that the discussion was taking, but also

re-wrote the same mesg to the forum. Sure, will continue to keep personal

discussions out of the forum.

 

Thanks for the mesg.

 

sri hari

Gopi

 

 

 

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MSR <abhayambika

 

Wednesday, 1 July, 2009 2:47:44

Re: Re: meru

 

 

 

 

 

namaste Gopi,

 

It is quite unfair to the whole group by such a broad brush. There are

over 700+ members and only a handful of us write often. There are many

many silent members. Even if you go by frequency, in the last few

months it was Satish and Sriram posted often - my understanding based on

their posts is they both stand by orthopraxy.

 

Our goal is state to the requirements based on texts and leave it at

that. We do not want to judge or criticize if someone is not following

it. For example, see the FAQ in files area on lalitaa sahasranaama and

trishatii.

 

If you and Sriram have dynamics outside the list - it would be nice if

you both can keep it outside. There is no reason for getting personal on

publicly archived forum such as this.

 

SrimAtre namaH

 

With best wishes,

Ravi

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