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Respected madam,

 

<<

 

Also consider:

1) kulAmR^itaikarasikA 2)kulasaMketapAlinI 3)kulA~NganA 4) kulAntasthA

5)kaulinI 6) kulayoginI

>akulA

1) samayAntasthA 2) samayAchAratatparA

 

Tradition says this is the teaching of hayagrIva to a dvija agastya.

 

>>

 

I am absolutely no reservations against the commentaries of these

names. But even the names

 

<<1) kulAmR^itaikarasikA 2)kulasaMketapAlinI 3)kulA~NganA 4)

kulAntasthA 5)kaulinI 6) kulayoginI >>

 

mean something else for a sadachari. I can give the Bhaskara's as

well as Vaidyanatha Dikshitar's interpretation as well if you want.

 

regs,

sriram

 

, " rajita_rajvasishth "

<rajita_rajvasishth wrote:

>

> Shriram- What do you mean by Dvija? Do you mean: 1) Brahmin 2)

Varnas

> 1-3 by birth. 3) Varnas 1-3 by Samskara of Upanayana 4) Varnas 1-3+

> some of V4 who have got some type of Upanayana Samskara. 5) Smarta

> Brahmins only.

>

> Then what do you mean by Vama marga ? 1) Do you mean Vamashaiva who

> worship Tumburu with his 4 sisters, I mean Vinashikha tantra etc?.

2)

> Do you mean Dakshinashaiva worshiping Svachchhandabhairava. 3)

> Bhutashaivas who worship Khadgaravana ? 4) Garudas who worship

> Akashabhairava? Or worshipers of 10 Mahavidya-s or 5) All upasakas

of

> Kaulamarga ?

>

> It appears that you imply that Dvijas should only follow the form of

> Shrividya advocated by Lakshmidhara and the Shankara Mutt?

>

> Perhaps your prescriptions might be limited to a subset of Smartas

who

> are affiliated with particular Smritis and their tradition.

>

> Also consider:

> 1) kulAmR^itaikarasikA 2)kulasaMketapAlinI 3)kulA~NganA 4)

kulAntasthA

> 5)kaulinI 6) kulayoginI

> >akulA

> 1) samayAntasthA 2) samayAchAratatparA

>

> Tradition says this is the teaching of hayagrIva to a dvija agastya.

> cheers,

> RR

>

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Dear,

 

Though they are primarily hari bhaktas, some of the hardcore madhwas

DO WORSHIP SRIYANTRA.

 

Just go and see the personal devatarchana of bandereke mutt swamigal.

My gurunatha had compiled the Srichakra Puja Paddhatih as per Madhwa

Sampradaya which is followed till today in some of the madhwa

families in Andhra.

 

regards,

sriram

 

 

 

, Raghavendra <mkraghavendra wrote:

>

> Dear Sriram,

>

> Can you please explain the Madhwa way of Srividya or Shaktha

worship? Werent

> they primarily Hari bhakthas (Madhwacharya varlu, Raghavendra

theertharu and

> the others)?

>

> Thanks,

> Raghav

>

>

> On 10/21/08, sriram <sriram_sapthasathi wrote:

> >

> > Dear sir,

> >

> > Whether acharya sankara did bindu tarpana or not we donot know

> > because we were not present at that time.

> >

> > Moreover, the acharyas like Sankara does not need bAhyA varivasya.

> > Nirantara anusandhana of chitkala at Sahasrara is the Bindu

Tarpana

> > for

>

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Dear  Sh.Sriram,

                         Yes , I completely agree with

peoples view that No vama marga for Dwijas. But I have some answers and

explanation for your reservation and views.

 

MOREOVER, I HAVE RESERVATIONS AGAINST THE PATRA-STHAPANA AND I WOULD LAUGH AT

THOSE PERSONS WHO ARE USING NAGARA-KHANDA (GINGER) AND OTHER STUFF WHICH " THEY

CONSIDER A VALID SUBSTITUTION FOR MAKARA-

PANCHAKA " .

 

There is nothing wrong  using ginger as a substituent for one of the makar

panchka. Different guru sampradayas will follow different methods. we can make

conslusions and statements that one is better or one is not. see untilmately

what ever sadhana you do reaching point is moksha or Maa Bhgavati.

 

yes your point about TripuraBHIRAVI ot Bhirava are aboslutely correct and there

is no dobut in that.

 

What Adi shankara did that he cut the both the hand that is vama & Dakshina TO

keep up the samayachara up, from that mishra samaya came. ok. Umtimately the

orginal is KAULA only and all thigns came from that .that is Mulam.ok.

comming to the second point.

 

 

 Even the recent stalwarts of Srividya like Shri Tadepalli

Raghavanarayana Shastrigal, Gollapudi Gopalakrishna Shastrigal,

Kuruganti Venkataramana Shastrigal, Shri Himakuntala Atmaramiah, Shri

Sitaramanjaneya Shastrigal (asmat gurunatha) prohibits the usage of

this sthapana

 

Whta ever the name you mentioned are absolutely right and I agree.Their methods

of worship is different and they follwed their sampradaya.

 

 But if go through SRIVIDYA RATNAKAR and SRIVIDYA VARIVASYA of SWAMI KARAPATRI

MAHARAJ OF VARANASI,

PATRA SADHANAM is must for Dakshina chara and Mishra samayachara. Because

SAMANYA arghya patra & Vishesha arghya Patra, guru patra & Atma patra are must

for these kinds of worship. May be I can explain you in personnel more.

 

People using this kind of worship also got siddhis and reached moksha samragya.

 

So My conslusion is that what ever may be the sampradaya or kind of worhip all

are one and one only. we can not discriminate that one is good or one is lesss 

or something of that kind.

Hope I am clear,

 

withr regards

KAMESH

 

--- On Thu, 23/10/08, sriram <sriram_sapthasathi wrote:

 

sriram <sriram_sapthasathi

Re: No vama marga for dwijas

 

Thursday, 23 October, 2008, 11:11 AM

 

Dear rajitha madam,

 

I meant smartha brahmana. A smarta taking to leftist path loses his

identity and is prohibited from performing vedic rituals. Because

every vaidika mantra should be replaced with either Tripura Bhairavi

or Bhairava. For example:

 

The achamana is " apah punantu ……tripura bhairavim svaha " . The Vishnu

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Dear sir,

 

loko bhinna ruchih is what i would say.

 

BTW, " srividya ratnakara " is the abridged version of " nityotsava " of

umanandanatha. And umanandanatha, from what i heard from elders,

slightly differed from Shri Bhaskararaya though he was his disciple.

 

Morever, i have some reservations against Shodashanandanatha

(Hariharananda Saraswati alias Karapatri swami). The other side of

his personality is a low profile for many persons and there is a big

silence maintained. I would not delve into it.

 

As regs pAtra sthapana, yes let them follow their own paramapara. I

should not dispute with them.

 

regards,

sriram

 

, KAMESWARARAO MULA <kamesh_ccmb

wrote:

>

> Dear  Sh.Sriram,

>                          Yes , I

completely agree with peoples view that No vama marga for Dwijas.

But I have some answers and explanation for your reservation and

views.

>

> MOREOVER, I HAVE RESERVATIONS AGAINST THE PATRA-STHAPANA AND I

WOULD LAUGH AT THOSE PERSONS WHO ARE USING NAGARA-KHANDA (GINGER)

AND OTHER STUFF WHICH " THEY CONSIDER A VALID SUBSTITUTION FOR MAKARA-

> PANCHAKA " .

>  

> There is nothing wrong  using ginger as a substituent for one of

the makar panchka. Different guru sampradayas will follow different

methods. we can make conslusions and statements that one is better

or one is not. see untilmately what ever sadhana you do reaching

point is moksha or Maa Bhgavati.

>  

> yes your point about TripuraBHIRAVI ot Bhirava are aboslutely

correct and there is no dobut in that.

>  

> What Adi shankara did that he cut the both the hand that is vama &

Dakshina TO keep up the samayachara up, from that mishra samaya

came. ok. Umtimately the orginal is KAULA only and all thigns came

from that .that is Mulam.ok.

> comming to the second point.

>

>

>  Even the recent stalwarts of Srividya like Shri Tadepalli

> Raghavanarayana Shastrigal, Gollapudi Gopalakrishna Shastrigal,

> Kuruganti Venkataramana Shastrigal, Shri Himakuntala Atmaramiah,

Shri

> Sitaramanjaneya Shastrigal (asmat gurunatha) prohibits the usage of

> this sthapana

>  

> Whta ever the name you mentioned are absolutely right and I

agree.Their methods of worship is different and they follwed their

sampradaya.

>  

>  But if go through SRIVIDYA RATNAKAR and SRIVIDYA VARIVASYA of

SWAMI KARAPATRI MAHARAJ OF VARANASI,

> PATRA SADHANAM is must for Dakshina chara and Mishra samayachara.

Because SAMANYA arghya patra & Vishesha arghya Patra, guru patra &

Atma patra are must for these kinds of worship. May be I can explain

you in personnel more.

>  

> People using this kind of worship also got siddhis and reached

moksha samragya.

>  

> So My conslusion is that what ever may be the sampradaya or kind

of worhip all are one and one only. we can not discriminate that one

is good or one is lesss  or something of that kind.

> Hope I am clear,

>  

> withr regards

> KAMESH

>

> --- On Thu, 23/10/08, sriram <sriram_sapthasathi wrote:

>

> sriram <sriram_sapthasathi

> Re: No vama marga for dwijas

>

> Thursday, 23 October, 2008, 11:11 AM

>

> Dear rajitha madam,

>

> I meant smartha brahmana. A smarta taking to leftist path loses his

> identity and is prohibited from performing vedic rituals. Because

> every vaidika mantra should be replaced with either Tripura

Bhairavi

> or Bhairava. For example:

>

> The achamana is " apah punantu ……tripura bhairavim svaha " . The

Vishnu

>

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