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DEAR ADVAITI AND SADHAKAS,

I want to know the KARMAKAND OF SANYAS.

what is the method of sanyas.

what is danda tarpan.

what is the life after sanyas .DO OR DONT DO fOR SANYASI

wHAT IS THE QUALIFICATION OF DANDI SANYASI AND HOW IS HE DIFFRENT FROM

OTHER SANYASI.

WHAT MANTRA THEY GET AFTER SANYAS.

LIFESTYLE OF DANDI SANYASI.

HOW TO CHANT MAHAVAKYAS.

WHAT IS THE DAILY ROUTINE OF OUR PUJYA SHANKRACHARYAS IF ANY BODY KNOWS.

GRAHASTA CAN TAKE SANYAS.

DOES SANYASI NEED PURNA ABHISHEK.

ANY OTHER BOOKS ON SANYAS.

 

REGARDS,

SRIVIDYANAND NATH

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shrI gurubhyo namaH

shri mahAgaNapataye namaH

 

Dear shrI Pradeep:

 

There are two aspects to being a sannyAsI. One is the internal (Atma VichAram)

aspect, and the other is the external aspect, which includes wearing of saffron

etc.

 

Even before taking up SannyAsam, please read and understand the book " Viveka

chUDAmaNi " . This book is written by Shri Adi Shankara. Modern versions are

available. One of the versions has a commentary written by Shri Chandra shekhara

Saraswati. This book is the beacon of light for those wishing to undertake the

Atma VichAram discipline SannyAsIs. I would request you to absorb the contents

of this book, and examine to yourself why you want to become a sannyAsI. Is it

for selfless sacrifice to help others ? or is it just a desire to exchange your

current existence for another one ?

 

As far as the actual wearing of Saffron clothes and carrying Danda, Kamandala

and skin of tiger or deer, I think you have to actually receive that from

another SannyAsI.

 

Thanks.

 

Regards.

KR.

 

shri mAtre namaH

 

 

-

PRADEEP

Tuesday, September 30, 2008 3:15 AM

DAND SANYAS

 

 

DEAR ADVAITI AND SADHAKAS,

I want to know the KARMAKAND OF SANYAS.

what is the method of sanyas.

what is danda tarpan.

what is the life after sanyas .DO OR DONT DO fOR SANYASI

wHAT IS THE QUALIFICATION OF DANDI SANYASI AND HOW IS HE DIFFRENT FROM

OTHER SANYASI.

WHAT MANTRA THEY GET AFTER SANYAS.

LIFESTYLE OF DANDI SANYASI.

HOW TO CHANT MAHAVAKYAS.

WHAT IS THE DAILY ROUTINE OF OUR PUJYA SHANKRACHARYAS IF ANY BODY KNOWS.

GRAHASTA CAN TAKE SANYAS.

DOES SANYASI NEED PURNA ABHISHEK.

ANY OTHER BOOKS ON SANYAS.

 

REGARDS,

SRIVIDYANAND NATH

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear pradeep,

 

Are you asking for academic interest or interested in taking sanyas

I donot know. If it is for academic interest, there is a book

called " Yati Dharma Nirnaya " .

 

Strictly speaking, a sanyasi has many karmanushtanas when compared

to Grihastha. Before taking the Sanyas, he has to perform Gayatri

Purascharana. He has to perform the Viraja Homa. During the nadi

snana, he has to perform mantra snana with mrittika, aghamarshana

sukta, mrittika sukta. Has to remove kati sutra, yajnopavita, sikha

etc. and stand naked before the gurunatha. Guru asks him to come

forward from the river in front all (he has to forget his deha

abhimana) gives the sati (kashaya vastra) and performs the

mahavakyopadesa. Then danda and kamandala are given.

 

Depending upon the amnaya pita parampara (sringeri, puri, badari,

joshi), the corresponding mahavakhyas are initiated (like aham

brahmasi, tatm tva asi etc.). So, a yati has to do the japa of

pranava (om-kara) 12000 times daily without fail. Do the japa of

Narayana Ashtakshari, Vishnu Sahasranama, Satarudriya, Bhagavat

Gita, Brahma Sutras along with Sankara Bhashya, Mandukya Upanishad

alongwith Gaudapada Karikas. Study the portions of Prasthana Traya

Bhashyas daily without fail. He has to contemplate on the Hamsa

Tattva everyday.

 

As regard the tarpana to his danda, 12 sutras are entwined and tied

to the Danda. There is a special danda puja, tarpana and anushtana

to the agra, Madhya and adho bhaga of the danda with the bhavana of

Brahma, Vishnu and Rudra. This danda is the Upavitha to the Yatis

and if lost, they should fast, do prayaschita japa, tarpana till

they get the new danda.

 

Regarding the qualification to become yati, I think one need not

answer this question and this all depends upon one's chitta vrittis

and samskaras. One should take the sanyasa from the DASANAMI ORDER

ONLY as prescribed by Shri Sankaracharya. Some of their titles are

Bharati, Tirtha, Puri, Aranya, Saraswati, Giri etc. The sanyasa

should be taken only from the gurus who belong this Dasanami Order.

 

Now regarding the anushtana karma of Sankaracharyas in the pita,

they are quite different from ordinary yatis of dasanami order.

They have the responsibility of maintaining the administration and

law and order of the pita, perform the anushtana of Pita Devata,

study sastras etc. Ordinary yati has no anushtana other than

Pranavopasana but Muttadhipatis have the anushtana karma of japa of

their respective amnaya karma of Srividya, Srichakra Puja and

Panchayatana. Though they seem to be engrossed in these anushtanas,

their OWN UPASANA is entirely different which they perform at 4:00

AM in the morning. They perform the japa of Pranava, and mahavakya

anushtana. Sringeri acharyas are initiated the mahavakya " aham

brahma asmi " . They have their own parayanas of Sutra Bhashya

alongwith Sankara Commentary, Upanishads, Sastra Chintana, Yoga

Abhyasa, parayana of Anandalahari, Atmavidya Vilasam etc. They also

do the japas of various mantras related to srividya amnayasa.

Sringeri Acharyas concentrate on dakshinamurthy, Bala, Panchadasi,

Shodasi, Hamsa, Nrisimha and other mantra. Nrisimha Anushtup mantra

is the favourite mantra of Sringeri Acharyas.

 

IT IS INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT NRISIMHA, KRITYA IN THE FORM OF

PRATYANGIRA GAURDS THE PRESENT SWAMIGAL SHRI BHARATI TIRTHA

MAHASWAMIGAL. WHEREVER THE SWAMIGAL GOES, THESE TWO DEVATAS FOLLOW

THE SWAMIGAL. THIS IS THE EYE WITNESS OF MY GURUNATHA. ANY

PRAYOGAS DONE ON PITA AND THE ACHARYAS, ARE COUNTERED BY THESE TWO

DEVATAS.

 

So, the Sringeri Acharyas and other Yatis belonging to 3 amnayas

even though they are sanyasis, they have equal rights to do the

anushtana of Srividya and Sriyantra Puja alongwith their daily

Chandramoulishwara Puja and Panchayatana.

 

Regarding their life style, they have a strict lifestyle having the

Bhiksha of 3 morsels. It entirely depends on their austerities.

Nrisimha Bharati Swamigal survived with handful of neem leaves

everyday as His bhiksha for 40 years! Shri Swamigal used to suffer

from stomach ache (owing to his prarabdha karma). He can cure that

ache but suffered just to show that one cannot avoid one's prarabdha

karma even though one is an avatara purusha. During Sriyantra Puja,

he used to place a grass beside him. With some mantras, he used to

transfer the stomach ache to the grass. The grass begins to shake

with pain. Then as soon as the Navavarana archana was over, he used

to take back the pain from grass. Such is the tapas of this

wonderful acharya.

 

Numerous are the lilas of sringeri acharyas. I think if I tell like

this, it would run in pages.

 

Regarding the Purnabhisheka, the sanyasis DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY

DIKSHAS OTHER THAN PRANAVOPASANA. AMNAYA PITAS DOES NOT HAVE THESE

PURNABHISHEKA CEREMONIES TO YATIS. FOR THEM SRIVIDYA JAPA IS AS

GOOD AS THE JAPA OF GAYATRI OR PANCHAKSHARI. THEY DO NOT GIVE ANY

SPECIAL IMPORTANCE TO SRIVIDYA. THEY DO IT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF

DOING IT AS THE PITA DEVATA HAS TO BE WORSHIPPED WITH SRIVIDYA

MANTRAS.

 

ALL THE ACHARYAS BELONGING TO SRINGERI PARAMPARA ARE PARAMA-HAMSAS

AND REALISED YATIS.

 

Hope your doubt is cleared.

 

With regards,

sriram

 

 

 

, " PRADEEP " <srividyanand wrote:

>

> DEAR ADVAITI AND SADHAKAS,

> I want to know the KARMAKAND OF SANYAS.

> what is the method of sanyas.

> what is danda tarpan.

> what is the life after sanyas .DO OR DONT DO fOR SANYASI

> wHAT IS THE QUALIFICATION OF DANDI SANYASI AND HOW IS HE DIFFRENT

FROM

> OTHER SANYASI.

> WHAT MANTRA THEY GET AFTER SANYAS.

> LIFESTYLE OF DANDI SANYASI.

> HOW TO CHANT MAHAVAKYAS.

> WHAT IS THE DAILY ROUTINE OF OUR PUJYA SHANKRACHARYAS IF ANY BODY

KNOWS.

> GRAHASTA CAN TAKE SANYAS.

> DOES SANYASI NEED PURNA ABHISHEK.

> ANY OTHER BOOKS ON SANYAS.

>

> REGARDS,

> SRIVIDYANAND NATH

>

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Satarudriya?

 

The sanyasi has no adhikaram to chant the Satarudriya after tyagam of the

yagnopvitham as it is veda bhagam

 

The sanyasi can read, ponder upon on, elucidate but not chant the vedas

 

regards

Vishwam

 

 

 

 

sriram <sriram_sapthasathi

 

Tuesday, September 30, 2008 10:12:21 AM

Re: DAND SANYAS

 

 

Dear pradeep,

 

Are you asking for academic interest or interested in taking sanyas

I donot know. If it is for academic interest, there is a book

called " Yati Dharma Nirnaya " .

 

Strictly speaking, a sanyasi has many karmanushtanas when compared

to Grihastha. Before taking the Sanyas, he has to perform Gayatri

Purascharana. He has to perform the Viraja Homa. During the nadi

snana, he has to perform mantra snana with mrittika, aghamarshana

sukta, mrittika sukta. Has to remove kati sutra, yajnopavita, sikha

etc. and stand naked before the gurunatha. Guru asks him to come

forward from the river in front all (he has to forget his deha

abhimana) gives the sati (kashaya vastra) and performs the

mahavakyopadesa. Then danda and kamandala are given.

 

Depending upon the amnaya pita parampara (sringeri, puri, badari,

joshi), the corresponding mahavakhyas are initiated (like aham

brahmasi, tatm tva asi etc.). So, a yati has to do the japa of

pranava (om-kara) 12000 times daily without fail. Do the japa of

Narayana Ashtakshari, Vishnu Sahasranama, Satarudriya, Bhagavat

Gita, Brahma Sutras along with Sankara Bhashya, Mandukya Upanishad

alongwith Gaudapada Karikas. Study the portions of Prasthana Traya

Bhashyas daily without fail. He has to contemplate on the Hamsa

Tattva everyday.

 

As regard the tarpana to his danda, 12 sutras are entwined and tied

to the Danda. There is a special danda puja, tarpana and anushtana

to the agra, Madhya and adho bhaga of the danda with the bhavana of

Brahma, Vishnu and Rudra. This danda is the Upavitha to the Yatis

and if lost, they should fast, do prayaschita japa, tarpana till

they get the new danda.

 

Regarding the qualification to become yati, I think one need not

answer this question and this all depends upon one's chitta vrittis

and samskaras. One should take the sanyasa from the DASANAMI ORDER

ONLY as prescribed by Shri Sankaracharya. Some of their titles are

Bharati, Tirtha, Puri, Aranya, Saraswati, Giri etc. The sanyasa

should be taken only from the gurus who belong this Dasanami Order.

 

Now regarding the anushtana karma of Sankaracharyas in the pita,

they are quite different from ordinary yatis of dasanami order.

They have the responsibility of maintaining the administration and

law and order of the pita, perform the anushtana of Pita Devata,

study sastras etc. Ordinary yati has no anushtana other than

Pranavopasana but Muttadhipatis have the anushtana karma of japa of

their respective amnaya karma of Srividya, Srichakra Puja and

Panchayatana. Though they seem to be engrossed in these anushtanas,

their OWN UPASANA is entirely different which they perform at 4:00

AM in the morning. They perform the japa of Pranava, and mahavakya

anushtana. Sringeri acharyas are initiated the mahavakya " aham

brahma asmi " . They have their own parayanas of Sutra Bhashya

alongwith Sankara Commentary, Upanishads, Sastra Chintana, Yoga

Abhyasa, parayana of Anandalahari, Atmavidya Vilasam etc. They also

do the japas of various mantras related to srividya amnayasa.

Sringeri Acharyas concentrate on dakshinamurthy, Bala, Panchadasi,

Shodasi, Hamsa, Nrisimha and other mantra. Nrisimha Anushtup mantra

is the favourite mantra of Sringeri Acharyas.

 

IT IS INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT NRISIMHA, KRITYA IN THE FORM OF

PRATYANGIRA GAURDS THE PRESENT SWAMIGAL SHRI BHARATI TIRTHA

MAHASWAMIGAL. WHEREVER THE SWAMIGAL GOES, THESE TWO DEVATAS FOLLOW

THE SWAMIGAL. THIS IS THE EYE WITNESS OF MY GURUNATHA. ANY

PRAYOGAS DONE ON PITA AND THE ACHARYAS, ARE COUNTERED BY THESE TWO

DEVATAS.

 

So, the Sringeri Acharyas and other Yatis belonging to 3 amnayas

even though they are sanyasis, they have equal rights to do the

anushtana of Srividya and Sriyantra Puja alongwith their daily

Chandramoulishwara Puja and Panchayatana.

 

Regarding their life style, they have a strict lifestyle having the

Bhiksha of 3 morsels. It entirely depends on their austerities.

Nrisimha Bharati Swamigal survived with handful of neem leaves

everyday as His bhiksha for 40 years! Shri Swamigal used to suffer

from stomach ache (owing to his prarabdha karma). He can cure that

ache but suffered just to show that one cannot avoid one's prarabdha

karma even though one is an avatara purusha. During Sriyantra Puja,

he used to place a grass beside him. With some mantras, he used to

transfer the stomach ache to the grass. The grass begins to shake

with pain. Then as soon as the Navavarana archana was over, he used

to take back the pain from grass. Such is the tapas of this

wonderful acharya.

 

Numerous are the lilas of sringeri acharyas. I think if I tell like

this, it would run in pages.

 

Regarding the Purnabhisheka, the sanyasis DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY

DIKSHAS OTHER THAN PRANAVOPASANA. AMNAYA PITAS DOES NOT HAVE THESE

PURNABHISHEKA CEREMONIES TO YATIS. FOR THEM SRIVIDYA JAPA IS AS

GOOD AS THE JAPA OF GAYATRI OR PANCHAKSHARI. THEY DO NOT GIVE ANY

SPECIAL IMPORTANCE TO SRIVIDYA. THEY DO IT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF

DOING IT AS THE PITA DEVATA HAS TO BE WORSHIPPED WITH SRIVIDYA

MANTRAS.

 

ALL THE ACHARYAS BELONGING TO SRINGERI PARAMPARA ARE PARAMA-HAMSAS

AND REALISED YATIS.

 

Hope your doubt is cleared.

 

With regards,

sriram

 

@ .com, " PRADEEP " <srividyanand@ ...> wrote:

>

> DEAR ADVAITI AND SADHAKAS,

> I want to know the KARMAKAND OF SANYAS.

> what is the method of sanyas.

> what is danda tarpan.

> what is the life after sanyas .DO OR DONT DO fOR SANYASI

> wHAT IS THE QUALIFICATION OF DANDI SANYASI AND HOW IS HE DIFFRENT

FROM

> OTHER SANYASI.

> WHAT MANTRA THEY GET AFTER SANYAS.

> LIFESTYLE OF DANDI SANYASI.

> HOW TO CHANT MAHAVAKYAS.

> WHAT IS THE DAILY ROUTINE OF OUR PUJYA SHANKRACHARYAS IF ANY BODY

KNOWS.

> GRAHASTA CAN TAKE SANYAS.

> DOES SANYASI NEED PURNA ABHISHEK.

> ANY OTHER BOOKS ON SANYAS.

>

> REGARDS,

> SRIVIDYANAND NATH

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Kumar-ji,

 

By Sri Chandrashekhara Saraswathi, do you mean Sri Chandrashekhara Bharathi or

Kanchi Paramacharyal? AFAIK, there exists a commentary written by the Sringeri

Jagadguru on Viveka Chudamani.

 

Sudarshan

 

Kumar Ramachandran <kramach wrote:

shrI gurubhyo namaH

shri mahAgaNapataye namaH

 

Dear shrI Pradeep:

 

There are two aspects to being a sannyAsI. One is the internal (Atma VichAram)

aspect, and the other is the external aspect, which includes wearing of saffron

etc.

 

Even before taking up SannyAsam, please read and understand the book " Viveka

chUDAmaNi " . This book is written by Shri Adi Shankara. Modern versions are

available. One of the versions has a commentary written by Shri Chandra shekhara

Saraswati. This book is the beacon of light for those wishing to undertake the

Atma VichAram discipline

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Dear Sriram-ji,

 

>>Nrisimha Bharati Swamigal survived with handful of neem leaves

everyday as His bhiksha for 40 years!<<

 

I thought Swamigal's bhiksha consisted of bitter gourd and not neem leaves.

Even his biography (by Srikanta Sastri and Sri Jnanananda Bharathi), says the

same thing.

 

Sudarshan

 

 

 

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Dear sudarshan,

 

He maintained thd diet of bitter gourd. Even that too he left and

took only handful of neem leaves. Couple of his close disciples who

were in Hyderabad told me. One is Shri Mimamsakesari Vireshwara

Krishna Dongre who studied mimamsa under the swamigal and other is

Shri Gopalakrishna Sastrigal.

 

regs,

sriram

 

, sudarshan balasubramanian

<sudarshanbalasubramanian wrote:

>

> Dear Sriram-ji,

>

> >>Nrisimha Bharati Swamigal survived with handful of neem leaves

> everyday as His bhiksha for 40 years!<<

>

> I thought Swamigal's bhiksha consisted of bitter gourd and not

neem leaves. Even his biography (by Srikanta Sastri and Sri

Jnanananda Bharathi), says the same thing.

>

> Sudarshan

>

>

>

> Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click

here

>

>

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sorry for the typo error. These 2 persons studied under

chandrasekhara bharati swamigal.

 

regs,

sriram

 

, " sriram " <sriram_sapthasathi

wrote:

>

> Dear sudarshan,

>

> He maintained thd diet of bitter gourd. Even that too he left and

> took only handful of neem leaves. Couple of his close disciples

who

> were in Hyderabad told me. One is Shri Mimamsakesari Vireshwara

> Krishna Dongre who studied mimamsa under the swamigal and other is

> Shri Gopalakrishna Sastrigal.

>

> regs,

> sriram

>

> , sudarshan balasubramanian

> <sudarshanbalasubramanian@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sriram-ji,

> >

> > >>Nrisimha Bharati Swamigal survived with handful of neem

leaves

> > everyday as His bhiksha for 40 years!<<

> >

> > I thought Swamigal's bhiksha consisted of bitter gourd and not

> neem leaves. Even his biography (by Srikanta Sastri and Sri

> Jnanananda Bharathi), says the same thing.

> >

> > Sudarshan

> >

> >

> >

> > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click

> here

> >

> >

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Sanyasis are entitled to chant Gayathry Mahamantra despite the absence of

yagnopavitram. ( From talks of HH Paramarthananda on Sandyopasana)

regards

 

 

 

 

Ganapathy ---  Vijaya

" Jai Bhavani "

 

--- On Tue, 9/30/08, vishwanthan Krishnamoorthy <krishvishy wrote:

 

vishwanthan Krishnamoorthy <krishvishy

Re: Re: DAND SANYAS

 

Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 10:12 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Satarudriya?

 

The sanyasi has no adhikaram to chant the Satarudriya after tyagam of the

yagnopvitham as it is veda bhagam

 

The sanyasi can read, ponder upon on, elucidate but not chant the vedas

 

regards

Vishwam

 

 

sriram <sriram_sapthasathi@ grouply.com>

@ .com

Tuesday, September 30, 2008 10:12:21 AM

Re: DAND SANYAS

 

Dear pradeep,

 

Are you asking for academic interest or interested in taking sanyas

I donot know. If it is for academic interest, there is a book

called " Yati Dharma Nirnaya " .

 

Strictly speaking, a sanyasi has many karmanushtanas when compared

to Grihastha. Before taking the Sanyas, he has to perform Gayatri

Purascharana. He has to perform the Viraja Homa. During the nadi

snana, he has to perform mantra snana with mrittika, aghamarshana

sukta, mrittika sukta. Has to remove kati sutra, yajnopavita, sikha

etc. and stand naked before the gurunatha. Guru asks him to come

forward from the river in front all (he has to forget his deha

abhimana) gives the sati (kashaya vastra) and performs the

mahavakyopadesa. Then danda and kamandala are given.

 

Depending upon the amnaya pita parampara (sringeri, puri, badari,

joshi), the corresponding mahavakhyas are initiated (like aham

brahmasi, tatm tva asi etc.). So, a yati has to do the japa of

pranava (om-kara) 12000 times daily without fail. Do the japa of

Narayana Ashtakshari, Vishnu Sahasranama, Satarudriya, Bhagavat

Gita, Brahma Sutras along with Sankara Bhashya, Mandukya Upanishad

alongwith Gaudapada Karikas. Study the portions of Prasthana Traya

Bhashyas daily without fail. He has to contemplate on the Hamsa

Tattva everyday.

 

As regard the tarpana to his danda, 12 sutras are entwined and tied

to the Danda. There is a special danda puja, tarpana and anushtana

to the agra, Madhya and adho bhaga of the danda with the bhavana of

Brahma, Vishnu and Rudra. This danda is the Upavitha to the Yatis

and if lost, they should fast, do prayaschita japa, tarpana till

they get the new danda.

 

Regarding the qualification to become yati, I think one need not

answer this question and this all depends upon one's chitta vrittis

and samskaras. One should take the sanyasa from the DASANAMI ORDER

ONLY as prescribed by Shri Sankaracharya. Some of their titles are

Bharati, Tirtha, Puri, Aranya, Saraswati, Giri etc. The sanyasa

should be taken only from the gurus who belong this Dasanami Order.

 

Now regarding the anushtana karma of Sankaracharyas in the pita,

they are quite different from ordinary yatis of dasanami order.

They have the responsibility of maintaining the administration and

law and order of the pita, perform the anushtana of Pita Devata,

study sastras etc. Ordinary yati has no anushtana other than

Pranavopasana but Muttadhipatis have the anushtana karma of japa of

their respective amnaya karma of Srividya, Srichakra Puja and

Panchayatana. Though they seem to be engrossed in these anushtanas,

their OWN UPASANA is entirely different which they perform at 4:00

AM in the morning. They perform the japa of Pranava, and mahavakya

anushtana. Sringeri acharyas are initiated the mahavakya " aham

brahma asmi " . They have their own parayanas of Sutra Bhashya

alongwith Sankara Commentary, Upanishads, Sastra Chintana, Yoga

Abhyasa, parayana of Anandalahari, Atmavidya Vilasam etc. They also

do the japas of various mantras related to srividya amnayasa.

Sringeri Acharyas concentrate on dakshinamurthy, Bala, Panchadasi,

Shodasi, Hamsa, Nrisimha and other mantra. Nrisimha Anushtup mantra

is the favourite mantra of Sringeri Acharyas.

 

IT IS INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT NRISIMHA, KRITYA IN THE FORM OF

PRATYANGIRA GAURDS THE PRESENT SWAMIGAL SHRI BHARATI TIRTHA

MAHASWAMIGAL. WHEREVER THE SWAMIGAL GOES, THESE TWO DEVATAS FOLLOW

THE SWAMIGAL. THIS IS THE EYE WITNESS OF MY GURUNATHA. ANY

PRAYOGAS DONE ON PITA AND THE ACHARYAS, ARE COUNTERED BY THESE TWO

DEVATAS.

 

So, the Sringeri Acharyas and other Yatis belonging to 3 amnayas

even though they are sanyasis, they have equal rights to do the

anushtana of Srividya and Sriyantra Puja alongwith their daily

Chandramoulishwara Puja and Panchayatana.

 

Regarding their life style, they have a strict lifestyle having the

Bhiksha of 3 morsels. It entirely depends on their austerities.

Nrisimha Bharati Swamigal survived with handful of neem leaves

everyday as His bhiksha for 40 years! Shri Swamigal used to suffer

from stomach ache (owing to his prarabdha karma). He can cure that

ache but suffered just to show that one cannot avoid one's prarabdha

karma even though one is an avatara purusha. During Sriyantra Puja,

he used to place a grass beside him. With some mantras, he used to

transfer the stomach ache to the grass. The grass begins to shake

with pain. Then as soon as the Navavarana archana was over, he used

to take back the pain from grass. Such is the tapas of this

wonderful acharya.

 

Numerous are the lilas of sringeri acharyas. I think if I tell like

this, it would run in pages.

 

Regarding the Purnabhisheka, the sanyasis DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY

DIKSHAS OTHER THAN PRANAVOPASANA. AMNAYA PITAS DOES NOT HAVE THESE

PURNABHISHEKA CEREMONIES TO YATIS. FOR THEM SRIVIDYA JAPA IS AS

GOOD AS THE JAPA OF GAYATRI OR PANCHAKSHARI. THEY DO NOT GIVE ANY

SPECIAL IMPORTANCE TO SRIVIDYA. THEY DO IT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF

DOING IT AS THE PITA DEVATA HAS TO BE WORSHIPPED WITH SRIVIDYA

MANTRAS.

 

ALL THE ACHARYAS BELONGING TO SRINGERI PARAMPARA ARE PARAMA-HAMSAS

AND REALISED YATIS.

 

Hope your doubt is cleared.

 

With regards,

sriram

 

@ .com, " PRADEEP " <srividyanand@ ...> wrote:

>

> DEAR ADVAITI AND SADHAKAS,

> I want to know the KARMAKAND OF SANYAS.

> what is the method of sanyas.

> what is danda tarpan.

> what is the life after sanyas .DO OR DONT DO fOR SANYASI

> wHAT IS THE QUALIFICATION OF DANDI SANYASI AND HOW IS HE DIFFRENT

FROM

> OTHER SANYASI.

> WHAT MANTRA THEY GET AFTER SANYAS.

> LIFESTYLE OF DANDI SANYASI.

> HOW TO CHANT MAHAVAKYAS.

> WHAT IS THE DAILY ROUTINE OF OUR PUJYA SHANKRACHARYAS IF ANY BODY

KNOWS.

> GRAHASTA CAN TAKE SANYAS.

> DOES SANYASI NEED PURNA ABHISHEK.

> ANY OTHER BOOKS ON SANYAS.

>

> REGARDS,

> SRIVIDYANAND NATH

>

 

 

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Dear vishwam,

 

Unless the yati chants the SATARUDRIYA WITH SVARAS, his

nityaanushtana is NOT COMPLETE for that day. This is the yati dharma

hailing from smartha background. However, vaishnava yatis donot

follow this rudra patha.

 

MOREOVER, IF A YATI COMES FROM KSHATRIYA, VAISHYA AND SUDRA

BACKGROUND, HE IS CALLED SADHU / BAIRAGI. IF A BRAHMIN HEARS THE

LECTURES OR ANUGRAHA BHASHANA FROM THESE SADHUS, THERE ARE

PRAYASCHITA MANTRAS WHICH HAVE TO BE UNDERGONE AFTER GAYATRI

ANUSHTANA.

 

with regards,

sriram

 

 

, vishwanthan Krishnamoorthy

<krishvishy wrote:

>

>

> Satarudriya?

>

> The sanyasi has no adhikaram to chant the Satarudriya after tyagam

of the yagnopvitham as it is veda bhagam

>

> The sanyasi can read, ponder upon on, elucidate but not chant the

vedas

>

> regards

> Vishwam

>

>

>

>

> sriram <sriram_sapthasathi

>

> Tuesday, September 30, 2008 10:12:21 AM

> Re: DAND SANYAS

>

>

> Dear pradeep,

>

> Are you asking for academic interest or interested in taking sanyas

> I donot know. If it is for academic interest, there is a book

> called " Yati Dharma Nirnaya " .

>

> Strictly speaking, a sanyasi has many karmanushtanas when compared

> to Grihastha. Before taking the Sanyas, he has to perform Gayatri

> Purascharana. He has to perform the Viraja Homa. During the nadi

> snana, he has to perform mantra snana with mrittika, aghamarshana

> sukta, mrittika sukta. Has to remove kati sutra, yajnopavita,

sikha

> etc. and stand naked before the gurunatha. Guru asks him to come

> forward from the river in front all (he has to forget his deha

> abhimana) gives the sati (kashaya vastra) and performs the

> mahavakyopadesa. Then danda and kamandala are given.

>

> Depending upon the amnaya pita parampara (sringeri, puri, badari,

> joshi), the corresponding mahavakhyas are initiated (like aham

> brahmasi, tatm tva asi etc.). So, a yati has to do the japa of

> pranava (om-kara) 12000 times daily without fail. Do the japa of

> Narayana Ashtakshari, Vishnu Sahasranama, Satarudriya, Bhagavat

> Gita, Brahma Sutras along with Sankara Bhashya, Mandukya Upanishad

> alongwith Gaudapada Karikas. Study the portions of Prasthana Traya

> Bhashyas daily without fail. He has to contemplate on the Hamsa

> Tattva everyday.

>

> As regard the tarpana to his danda, 12 sutras are entwined and tied

> to the Danda. There is a special danda puja, tarpana and anushtana

> to the agra, Madhya and adho bhaga of the danda with the bhavana of

> Brahma, Vishnu and Rudra. This danda is the Upavitha to the Yatis

> and if lost, they should fast, do prayaschita japa, tarpana till

> they get the new danda.

>

> Regarding the qualification to become yati, I think one need not

> answer this question and this all depends upon one's chitta vrittis

> and samskaras. One should take the sanyasa from the DASANAMI

ORDER

> ONLY as prescribed by Shri Sankaracharya. Some of their titles are

> Bharati, Tirtha, Puri, Aranya, Saraswati, Giri etc. The sanyasa

> should be taken only from the gurus who belong this Dasanami Order.

>

> Now regarding the anushtana karma of Sankaracharyas in the pita,

> they are quite different from ordinary yatis of dasanami order.

> They have the responsibility of maintaining the administration and

> law and order of the pita, perform the anushtana of Pita Devata,

> study sastras etc. Ordinary yati has no anushtana other than

> Pranavopasana but Muttadhipatis have the anushtana karma of japa of

> their respective amnaya karma of Srividya, Srichakra Puja and

> Panchayatana. Though they seem to be engrossed in these

anushtanas,

> their OWN UPASANA is entirely different which they perform at 4:00

> AM in the morning. They perform the japa of Pranava, and mahavakya

> anushtana. Sringeri acharyas are initiated the mahavakya " aham

> brahma asmi " . They have their own parayanas of Sutra Bhashya

> alongwith Sankara Commentary, Upanishads, Sastra Chintana, Yoga

> Abhyasa, parayana of Anandalahari, Atmavidya Vilasam etc. They

also

> do the japas of various mantras related to srividya amnayasa.

> Sringeri Acharyas concentrate on dakshinamurthy, Bala, Panchadasi,

> Shodasi, Hamsa, Nrisimha and other mantra. Nrisimha Anushtup

mantra

> is the favourite mantra of Sringeri Acharyas.

>

> IT IS INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT NRISIMHA, KRITYA IN THE FORM OF

> PRATYANGIRA GAURDS THE PRESENT SWAMIGAL SHRI BHARATI TIRTHA

> MAHASWAMIGAL. WHEREVER THE SWAMIGAL GOES, THESE TWO DEVATAS FOLLOW

> THE SWAMIGAL. THIS IS THE EYE WITNESS OF MY GURUNATHA. ANY

> PRAYOGAS DONE ON PITA AND THE ACHARYAS, ARE COUNTERED BY THESE TWO

> DEVATAS.

>

> So, the Sringeri Acharyas and other Yatis belonging to 3 amnayas

> even though they are sanyasis, they have equal rights to do the

> anushtana of Srividya and Sriyantra Puja alongwith their daily

> Chandramoulishwara Puja and Panchayatana.

>

> Regarding their life style, they have a strict lifestyle having the

> Bhiksha of 3 morsels. It entirely depends on their austerities.

> Nrisimha Bharati Swamigal survived with handful of neem leaves

> everyday as His bhiksha for 40 years! Shri Swamigal used to suffer

> from stomach ache (owing to his prarabdha karma). He can cure that

> ache but suffered just to show that one cannot avoid one's

prarabdha

> karma even though one is an avatara purusha. During Sriyantra

Puja,

> he used to place a grass beside him. With some mantras, he used to

> transfer the stomach ache to the grass. The grass begins to shake

> with pain. Then as soon as the Navavarana archana was over, he

used

> to take back the pain from grass. Such is the tapas of this

> wonderful acharya.

>

> Numerous are the lilas of sringeri acharyas. I think if I tell

like

> this, it would run in pages.

>

> Regarding the Purnabhisheka, the sanyasis DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY

> DIKSHAS OTHER THAN PRANAVOPASANA. AMNAYA PITAS DOES NOT HAVE THESE

> PURNABHISHEKA CEREMONIES TO YATIS. FOR THEM SRIVIDYA JAPA IS AS

> GOOD AS THE JAPA OF GAYATRI OR PANCHAKSHARI. THEY DO NOT GIVE ANY

> SPECIAL IMPORTANCE TO SRIVIDYA. THEY DO IT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF

> DOING IT AS THE PITA DEVATA HAS TO BE WORSHIPPED WITH SRIVIDYA

> MANTRAS.

>

> ALL THE ACHARYAS BELONGING TO SRINGERI PARAMPARA ARE PARAMA-HAMSAS

> AND REALISED YATIS.

>

> Hope your doubt is cleared.

>

> With regards,

> sriram

>

> @ .com, " PRADEEP " <srividyanand@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > DEAR ADVAITI AND SADHAKAS,

> > I want to know the KARMAKAND OF SANYAS.

> > what is the method of sanyas.

> > what is danda tarpan.

> > what is the life after sanyas .DO OR DONT DO fOR SANYASI

> > wHAT IS THE QUALIFICATION OF DANDI SANYASI AND HOW IS HE DIFFRENT

> FROM

> > OTHER SANYASI.

> > WHAT MANTRA THEY GET AFTER SANYAS.

> > LIFESTYLE OF DANDI SANYASI.

> > HOW TO CHANT MAHAVAKYAS.

> > WHAT IS THE DAILY ROUTINE OF OUR PUJYA SHANKRACHARYAS IF ANY BODY

> KNOWS.

> > GRAHASTA CAN TAKE SANYAS.

> > DOES SANYASI NEED PURNA ABHISHEK.

> > ANY OTHER BOOKS ON SANYAS.

> >

> > REGARDS,

> > SRIVIDYANAND NATH

> >

 

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Sri gurubhyo namaha.

 

Namaste Sriramji

 

''MOREOVER, IF A YATI COMES FROM KSHATRIYA, VAISHYA AND SUDRA

BACKGROUND, HE IS CALLED SADHU / BAIRAGI. IF A BRAHMIN HEARS THE

LECTURES OR ANUGRAHA BHASHANA FROM THESE SADHUS, THERE ARE

PRAYASCHITA MANTRAS WHICH HAVE TO BE UNDERGONE AFTER GAYATRI

ANUSHTANA. ''

 

When adi shankarAchArya commented that even a chandAlA when speaking

of the Brahma tattva is to be known as a brahmin, does that not

indicate that at certain heights/planes such divisions become

arbitary?

Why the need to repent when all one did was to listen or participate

in the satsanga/anugraha bhashana of a sadhu from a sect other than

a brahmin (for a brahmin I mean)?

 

regards,

 

G.K.Iyer

 

, " sriram " <sriram_sapthasathi

wrote:

>

> Dear vishwam,

>

> Unless the yati chants the SATARUDRIYA WITH SVARAS, his

> nityaanushtana is NOT COMPLETE for that day. This is the yati

dharma

> hailing from smartha background. However, vaishnava yatis donot

> follow this rudra patha.

>

> MOREOVER, IF A YATI COMES FROM KSHATRIYA, VAISHYA AND SUDRA

> BACKGROUND, HE IS CALLED SADHU / BAIRAGI. IF A BRAHMIN HEARS THE

> LECTURES OR ANUGRAHA BHASHANA FROM THESE SADHUS, THERE ARE

> PRAYASCHITA MANTRAS WHICH HAVE TO BE UNDERGONE AFTER GAYATRI

> ANUSHTANA.

>

> with regards,

> sriram

>

>

> , vishwanthan Krishnamoorthy

> <krishvishy@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Satarudriya?

> >

> > The sanyasi has no adhikaram to chant the Satarudriya after

tyagam

> of the yagnopvitham as it is veda bhagam

> >

> > The sanyasi can read, ponder upon on, elucidate but not chant

the

> vedas

> >

> > regards

> > Vishwam

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > sriram <sriram_sapthasathi@>

> >

> > Tuesday, September 30, 2008 10:12:21 AM

> > Re: DAND SANYAS

> >

> >

> > Dear pradeep,

> >

> > Are you asking for academic interest or interested in taking

sanyas

> > I donot know. If it is for academic interest, there is a book

> > called " Yati Dharma Nirnaya " .

> >

> > Strictly speaking, a sanyasi has many karmanushtanas when

compared

> > to Grihastha. Before taking the Sanyas, he has to perform

Gayatri

> > Purascharana. He has to perform the Viraja Homa. During the

nadi

> > snana, he has to perform mantra snana with mrittika,

aghamarshana

> > sukta, mrittika sukta. Has to remove kati sutra, yajnopavita,

> sikha

> > etc. and stand naked before the gurunatha. Guru asks him to

come

> > forward from the river in front all (he has to forget his deha

> > abhimana) gives the sati (kashaya vastra) and performs the

> > mahavakyopadesa. Then danda and kamandala are given.

> >

> > Depending upon the amnaya pita parampara (sringeri, puri,

badari,

> > joshi), the corresponding mahavakhyas are initiated (like aham

> > brahmasi, tatm tva asi etc.). So, a yati has to do the japa of

> > pranava (om-kara) 12000 times daily without fail. Do the japa

of

> > Narayana Ashtakshari, Vishnu Sahasranama, Satarudriya, Bhagavat

> > Gita, Brahma Sutras along with Sankara Bhashya, Mandukya

Upanishad

> > alongwith Gaudapada Karikas. Study the portions of Prasthana

Traya

> > Bhashyas daily without fail. He has to contemplate on the Hamsa

> > Tattva everyday.

> >

> > As regard the tarpana to his danda, 12 sutras are entwined and

tied

> > to the Danda. There is a special danda puja, tarpana and

anushtana

> > to the agra, Madhya and adho bhaga of the danda with the bhavana

of

> > Brahma, Vishnu and Rudra. This danda is the Upavitha to the

Yatis

> > and if lost, they should fast, do prayaschita japa, tarpana till

> > they get the new danda.

> >

> > Regarding the qualification to become yati, I think one need not

> > answer this question and this all depends upon one's chitta

vrittis

> > and samskaras. One should take the sanyasa from the DASANAMI

> ORDER

> > ONLY as prescribed by Shri Sankaracharya. Some of their titles

are

> > Bharati, Tirtha, Puri, Aranya, Saraswati, Giri etc. The sanyasa

> > should be taken only from the gurus who belong this Dasanami

Order.

> >

> > Now regarding the anushtana karma of Sankaracharyas in the pita,

> > they are quite different from ordinary yatis of dasanami order.

> > They have the responsibility of maintaining the administration

and

> > law and order of the pita, perform the anushtana of Pita Devata,

> > study sastras etc. Ordinary yati has no anushtana other than

> > Pranavopasana but Muttadhipatis have the anushtana karma of japa

of

> > their respective amnaya karma of Srividya, Srichakra Puja and

> > Panchayatana. Though they seem to be engrossed in these

> anushtanas,

> > their OWN UPASANA is entirely different which they perform at

4:00

> > AM in the morning. They perform the japa of Pranava, and

mahavakya

> > anushtana. Sringeri acharyas are initiated the mahavakya " aham

> > brahma asmi " . They have their own parayanas of Sutra Bhashya

> > alongwith Sankara Commentary, Upanishads, Sastra Chintana, Yoga

> > Abhyasa, parayana of Anandalahari, Atmavidya Vilasam etc. They

> also

> > do the japas of various mantras related to srividya amnayasa.

> > Sringeri Acharyas concentrate on dakshinamurthy, Bala,

Panchadasi,

> > Shodasi, Hamsa, Nrisimha and other mantra. Nrisimha Anushtup

> mantra

> > is the favourite mantra of Sringeri Acharyas.

> >

> > IT IS INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT NRISIMHA, KRITYA IN THE FORM OF

> > PRATYANGIRA GAURDS THE PRESENT SWAMIGAL SHRI BHARATI TIRTHA

> > MAHASWAMIGAL. WHEREVER THE SWAMIGAL GOES, THESE TWO DEVATAS

FOLLOW

> > THE SWAMIGAL. THIS IS THE EYE WITNESS OF MY GURUNATHA. ANY

> > PRAYOGAS DONE ON PITA AND THE ACHARYAS, ARE COUNTERED BY THESE

TWO

> > DEVATAS.

> >

> > So, the Sringeri Acharyas and other Yatis belonging to 3 amnayas

> > even though they are sanyasis, they have equal rights to do the

> > anushtana of Srividya and Sriyantra Puja alongwith their daily

> > Chandramoulishwara Puja and Panchayatana.

> >

> > Regarding their life style, they have a strict lifestyle having

the

> > Bhiksha of 3 morsels. It entirely depends on their austerities.

> > Nrisimha Bharati Swamigal survived with handful of neem leaves

> > everyday as His bhiksha for 40 years! Shri Swamigal used to

suffer

> > from stomach ache (owing to his prarabdha karma). He can cure

that

> > ache but suffered just to show that one cannot avoid one's

> prarabdha

> > karma even though one is an avatara purusha. During Sriyantra

> Puja,

> > he used to place a grass beside him. With some mantras, he used

to

> > transfer the stomach ache to the grass. The grass begins to

shake

> > with pain. Then as soon as the Navavarana archana was over, he

> used

> > to take back the pain from grass. Such is the tapas of this

> > wonderful acharya.

> >

> > Numerous are the lilas of sringeri acharyas. I think if I tell

> like

> > this, it would run in pages.

> >

> > Regarding the Purnabhisheka, the sanyasis DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY

> > DIKSHAS OTHER THAN PRANAVOPASANA. AMNAYA PITAS DOES NOT HAVE

THESE

> > PURNABHISHEKA CEREMONIES TO YATIS. FOR THEM SRIVIDYA JAPA IS AS

> > GOOD AS THE JAPA OF GAYATRI OR PANCHAKSHARI. THEY DO NOT GIVE

ANY

> > SPECIAL IMPORTANCE TO SRIVIDYA. THEY DO IT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF

> > DOING IT AS THE PITA DEVATA HAS TO BE WORSHIPPED WITH SRIVIDYA

> > MANTRAS.

> >

> > ALL THE ACHARYAS BELONGING TO SRINGERI PARAMPARA ARE PARAMA-

HAMSAS

> > AND REALISED YATIS.

> >

> > Hope your doubt is cleared.

> >

> > With regards,

> > sriram

> >

> > @ .com, " PRADEEP " <srividyanand@ ...>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > DEAR ADVAITI AND SADHAKAS,

> > > I want to know the KARMAKAND OF SANYAS.

> > > what is the method of sanyas.

> > > what is danda tarpan.

> > > what is the life after sanyas .DO OR DONT DO fOR SANYASI

> > > wHAT IS THE QUALIFICATION OF DANDI SANYASI AND HOW IS HE

DIFFRENT

> > FROM

> > > OTHER SANYASI.

> > > WHAT MANTRA THEY GET AFTER SANYAS.

> > > LIFESTYLE OF DANDI SANYASI.

> > > HOW TO CHANT MAHAVAKYAS.

> > > WHAT IS THE DAILY ROUTINE OF OUR PUJYA SHANKRACHARYAS IF ANY

BODY

> > KNOWS.

> > > GRAHASTA CAN TAKE SANYAS.

> > > DOES SANYASI NEED PURNA ABHISHEK.

> > > ANY OTHER BOOKS ON SANYAS.

> > >

> > > REGARDS,

> > > SRIVIDYANAND NATH

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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shri gurubhyo namaH

shri mahAgaNapataye namaH

 

Dear Shri Sudarshan:

 

It was shri Chandrashekhara Bharati of Shringeri.

Thanks for pointing it out.

 

shri mAtre namaH

 

-

sudarshan balasubramanian

Tuesday, September 30, 2008 10:47 PM

Re: DAND SANYAS

 

 

Dear Kumar-ji,

 

By Sri Chandrashekhara Saraswathi, do you mean Sri Chandrashekhara Bharathi or

Kanchi Paramacharyal? AFAIK, there exists a commentary written by the Sringeri

Jagadguru on Viveka Chudamani.

 

Sudarshan

 

Kumar Ramachandran <kramach wrote:

shrI gurubhyo namaH

shri mahAgaNapataye namaH

 

Dear shrI Pradeep:

 

There are two aspects to being a sannyAsI. One is the internal (Atma VichAram)

aspect, and the other is the external aspect, which includes wearing of saffron

etc.

 

Even before taking up SannyAsam, please read and understand the book " Viveka

chUDAmaNi " . This book is written by Shri Adi Shankara. Modern versions are

available. One of the versions has a commentary written by Shri Chandra shekhara

Saraswati. This book is the beacon of light for those wishing to undertake the

Atma VichAram discipline

 

 

 

 

 

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shri gurubhyo namaH

shri mahAgaNapataye namaH

 

Friends:

 

I am sure there is more to this.

 

On the face of it, this seems to go against the SannyAsI principles, wherein

there is no caste. (Maybe I misunderstand this).

 

Also, How can this be reconciled with Adi Shankara who performed namaskAram to a

chanDALa who asked him which body he should move ?

 

I am sure you all know of that story.

 

Our folklore is full of occasions where God has come to this earth in various

forms. Should not a sannyAsI recognize the divinity in each person and act

accordingly ?

 

Thanks and Regards.

KR

 

shri mAtre namaH

 

 

-

sriram

Wednesday, October 01, 2008 1:13 AM

Re: DAND SANYAS

 

 

 

MOREOVER, IF A YATI COMES FROM KSHATRIYA, VAISHYA AND SUDRA

BACKGROUND, HE IS CALLED SADHU / BAIRAGI. IF A BRAHMIN HEARS THE LECTURES OR

ANUGRAHA BHASHANA FROM THESE SADHUS, THERE ARE PRAYASCHITA MANTRAS WHICH HAVE

TO BE UNDERGONE AFTER GAYATRI ANUSHTANA.

 

.

 

 

 

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Namasthe.

 

The answer is from DM itself , whici says, Devi if SHE wishes can delude even

Gynanies

 

 

 

 

 

Ganapathy ---  Vijaya

" Jai Bhavani "

 

--- On Wed, 10/1/08, Kumar Ramachandran <kramach wrote:

 

Kumar Ramachandran <kramach

Re: Re: DAND SANYAS

 

Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 2:28 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

shri gurubhyo namaH

shri mahAgaNapataye namaH

 

Friends:

 

I am sure there is more to this.

 

On the face of it, this seems to go against the SannyAsI principles, wherein

there is no caste. (Maybe I misunderstand this).

 

Also, How can this be reconciled with Adi Shankara who performed namaskAram to a

chanDALa who asked him which body he should move ?

 

I am sure you all know of that story.

 

Our folklore is full of occasions where God has come to this earth in various

forms. Should not a sannyAsI recognize the divinity in each person and act

accordingly ?

 

Thanks and Regards.

KR

 

shri mAtre namaH

 

-

sriram

@ .com

Wednesday, October 01, 2008 1:13 AM

Re: DAND SANYAS

 

MOREOVER, IF A YATI COMES FROM KSHATRIYA, VAISHYA AND SUDRA

BACKGROUND, HE IS CALLED SADHU / BAIRAGI. IF A BRAHMIN HEARS THE LECTURES OR

ANUGRAHA BHASHANA FROM THESE SADHUS, THERE ARE PRAYASCHITA MANTRAS WHICH HAVE TO

BE UNDERGONE AFTER GAYATRI ANUSHTANA.

 

..

 

 

 

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Dear kumar,

 

Namaste.

 

I would like to mention an incident which happened in my gurunatha's

life.

 

A very popular swamiji of Andhra (name is withheld to not to hurt the

sentiments of some people) is a non-brahmin. He studied vedanta

sutras and ramayana from certain guru. He came to Tenali town of

Guntur district. My gurunatha alongwith some of the saha sishyas

were camping in the house of Brahmasri Tadepalli Raghavanarayana

Sastrigal. This swamiji has to give discourse in Bhagavati gita in

Tenali that evening. During the evening, some of the disciples went

to hear the discourse this swamiji. My gurunatha stayed back as he

had the panchayatana and sriyantra puja. One gurunatha's friend

attend the discourse. After returning back late in night, Shri

Tadepalli Raghavanarayana Sastrigal came to know that his disciples

went to listen to the discourse of non-dwija yati's gita.

 

Immediately, he shouted at his disciples and scolded them saying that

dharma sastra prohibits such act. Saying so, immediately he arranged

for prayaschita kanda. Fasted the whole night, next morning, called

his disciples and chanted prayaschita mantras. Asked everyone to

chant 1000 gayatris and took the promise from these disciples of

never to attend the discourses given by non-dwijas.

 

The same was also told to me by my gurunatha who was present there

alongwith Shri Chandolu Sastrigal who was the walking god as

proclaimed by none other than Kanchi Mahaperiyaval.

 

With regards,

sriram

 

, " Kumar Ramachandran " <kramach

wrote:

>

> shri gurubhyo namaH

> shri mahAgaNapataye namaH

>

> Friends:

>

> I am sure there is more to this.

>

> On the face of it, this seems to go against the SannyAsI

principles, wherein there is no caste. (Maybe I misunderstand this).

>

> Also, How can this be reconciled with Adi Shankara who performed

namaskAram to a chanDALa who asked him which body he should move ?

>

> I am sure you all know of that story.

>

> Our folklore is full of occasions where God has come to this earth

in various forms. Should not a sannyAsI recognize the divinity in

each person and act accordingly ?

>

> Thanks and Regards.

> KR

>

> shri mAtre namaH

>

>

> -

> sriram

>

> Wednesday, October 01, 2008 1:13 AM

> Re: DAND SANYAS

>

>

>

> MOREOVER, IF A YATI COMES FROM KSHATRIYA, VAISHYA AND SUDRA

> BACKGROUND, HE IS CALLED SADHU / BAIRAGI. IF A BRAHMIN HEARS THE

LECTURES OR ANUGRAHA BHASHANA FROM THESE SADHUS, THERE ARE

PRAYASCHITA MANTRAS WHICH HAVE TO BE UNDERGONE AFTER GAYATRI

ANUSHTANA.

>

> .

>

>

>

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Dear mr. iyer,

 

Namaste. Adi sankara drank poison. Will you?

 

These prayaschitas are not for yogis and self-realised saints. It is

for us. A non-dwija has the adhikara of veda abhyasa and NOT

ADHYAYANA. He has the authority to preach but when an upasaka who is

performing the gayatri upasana, the effect is disastrous (as told by

Mahaperiyaval). He has to undergo prayaschita kanda as ordained by

Mahaperiyaval. There are some mantras which he has to chant (they are

with me) and do gayatri japa with fasting.

 

with regards,

sriram

 

 

 

, " manalianamika " <manalianamika

wrote:

>

> Sri gurubhyo namaha.

>

> Namaste Sriramji

>

> ''MOREOVER, IF A YATI COMES FROM KSHATRIYA, VAISHYA AND SUDRA

> BACKGROUND, HE IS CALLED SADHU / BAIRAGI. IF A BRAHMIN HEARS THE

> LECTURES OR ANUGRAHA BHASHANA FROM THESE SADHUS, THERE ARE

> PRAYASCHITA MANTRAS WHICH HAVE TO BE UNDERGONE AFTER GAYATRI

> ANUSHTANA. ''

>

> When adi shankarAchArya commented that even a chandAlA when

speaking

> of the Brahma tattva is to be known as a brahmin, does that not

> indicate that at certain heights/planes such divisions become

> arbitary?

> Why the need to repent when all one did was to listen or

participate

> in the satsanga/anugraha bhashana of a sadhu from a sect other than

> a brahmin (for a brahmin I mean)?

>

> regards,

>

> G.K.Iyer

>

> , " sriram " <sriram_sapthasathi@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear vishwam,

> >

> > Unless the yati chants the SATARUDRIYA WITH SVARAS, his

> > nityaanushtana is NOT COMPLETE for that day. This is the yati

> dharma

> > hailing from smartha background. However, vaishnava yatis donot

> > follow this rudra patha.

> >

> > MOREOVER, IF A YATI COMES FROM KSHATRIYA, VAISHYA AND SUDRA

> > BACKGROUND, HE IS CALLED SADHU / BAIRAGI. IF A BRAHMIN HEARS THE

> > LECTURES OR ANUGRAHA BHASHANA FROM THESE SADHUS, THERE ARE

> > PRAYASCHITA MANTRAS WHICH HAVE TO BE UNDERGONE AFTER GAYATRI

> > ANUSHTANA.

> >

> > with regards,

> > sriram

> >

> >

> > , vishwanthan Krishnamoorthy

> > <krishvishy@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Satarudriya?

> > >

> > > The sanyasi has no adhikaram to chant the Satarudriya after

> tyagam

> > of the yagnopvitham as it is veda bhagam

> > >

> > > The sanyasi can read, ponder upon on, elucidate but not chant

> the

> > vedas

> > >

> > > regards

> > > Vishwam

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > sriram <sriram_sapthasathi@>

> > >

> > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008 10:12:21 AM

> > > Re: DAND SANYAS

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear pradeep,

> > >

> > > Are you asking for academic interest or interested in taking

> sanyas

> > > I donot know. If it is for academic interest, there is a book

> > > called " Yati Dharma Nirnaya " .

> > >

> > > Strictly speaking, a sanyasi has many karmanushtanas when

> compared

> > > to Grihastha. Before taking the Sanyas, he has to perform

> Gayatri

> > > Purascharana. He has to perform the Viraja Homa. During the

> nadi

> > > snana, he has to perform mantra snana with mrittika,

> aghamarshana

> > > sukta, mrittika sukta. Has to remove kati sutra, yajnopavita,

> > sikha

> > > etc. and stand naked before the gurunatha. Guru asks him to

> come

> > > forward from the river in front all (he has to forget his deha

> > > abhimana) gives the sati (kashaya vastra) and performs the

> > > mahavakyopadesa. Then danda and kamandala are given.

> > >

> > > Depending upon the amnaya pita parampara (sringeri, puri,

> badari,

> > > joshi), the corresponding mahavakhyas are initiated (like aham

> > > brahmasi, tatm tva asi etc.). So, a yati has to do the japa of

> > > pranava (om-kara) 12000 times daily without fail. Do the japa

> of

> > > Narayana Ashtakshari, Vishnu Sahasranama, Satarudriya, Bhagavat

> > > Gita, Brahma Sutras along with Sankara Bhashya, Mandukya

> Upanishad

> > > alongwith Gaudapada Karikas. Study the portions of Prasthana

> Traya

> > > Bhashyas daily without fail. He has to contemplate on the

Hamsa

> > > Tattva everyday.

> > >

> > > As regard the tarpana to his danda, 12 sutras are entwined and

> tied

> > > to the Danda. There is a special danda puja, tarpana and

> anushtana

> > > to the agra, Madhya and adho bhaga of the danda with the

bhavana

> of

> > > Brahma, Vishnu and Rudra. This danda is the Upavitha to the

> Yatis

> > > and if lost, they should fast, do prayaschita japa, tarpana

till

> > > they get the new danda.

> > >

> > > Regarding the qualification to become yati, I think one need

not

> > > answer this question and this all depends upon one's chitta

> vrittis

> > > and samskaras. One should take the sanyasa from the DASANAMI

> > ORDER

> > > ONLY as prescribed by Shri Sankaracharya. Some of their titles

> are

> > > Bharati, Tirtha, Puri, Aranya, Saraswati, Giri etc. The

sanyasa

> > > should be taken only from the gurus who belong this Dasanami

> Order.

> > >

> > > Now regarding the anushtana karma of Sankaracharyas in the

pita,

> > > they are quite different from ordinary yatis of dasanami order.

> > > They have the responsibility of maintaining the administration

> and

> > > law and order of the pita, perform the anushtana of Pita

Devata,

> > > study sastras etc. Ordinary yati has no anushtana other than

> > > Pranavopasana but Muttadhipatis have the anushtana karma of

japa

> of

> > > their respective amnaya karma of Srividya, Srichakra Puja and

> > > Panchayatana. Though they seem to be engrossed in these

> > anushtanas,

> > > their OWN UPASANA is entirely different which they perform at

> 4:00

> > > AM in the morning. They perform the japa of Pranava, and

> mahavakya

> > > anushtana. Sringeri acharyas are initiated the mahavakya " aham

> > > brahma asmi " . They have their own parayanas of Sutra Bhashya

> > > alongwith Sankara Commentary, Upanishads, Sastra Chintana, Yoga

> > > Abhyasa, parayana of Anandalahari, Atmavidya Vilasam etc. They

> > also

> > > do the japas of various mantras related to srividya amnayasa.

> > > Sringeri Acharyas concentrate on dakshinamurthy, Bala,

> Panchadasi,

> > > Shodasi, Hamsa, Nrisimha and other mantra. Nrisimha Anushtup

> > mantra

> > > is the favourite mantra of Sringeri Acharyas.

> > >

> > > IT IS INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT NRISIMHA, KRITYA IN THE FORM OF

> > > PRATYANGIRA GAURDS THE PRESENT SWAMIGAL SHRI BHARATI TIRTHA

> > > MAHASWAMIGAL. WHEREVER THE SWAMIGAL GOES, THESE TWO DEVATAS

> FOLLOW

> > > THE SWAMIGAL. THIS IS THE EYE WITNESS OF MY GURUNATHA. ANY

> > > PRAYOGAS DONE ON PITA AND THE ACHARYAS, ARE COUNTERED BY THESE

> TWO

> > > DEVATAS.

> > >

> > > So, the Sringeri Acharyas and other Yatis belonging to 3

amnayas

> > > even though they are sanyasis, they have equal rights to do the

> > > anushtana of Srividya and Sriyantra Puja alongwith their daily

> > > Chandramoulishwara Puja and Panchayatana.

> > >

> > > Regarding their life style, they have a strict lifestyle having

> the

> > > Bhiksha of 3 morsels. It entirely depends on their

austerities.

> > > Nrisimha Bharati Swamigal survived with handful of neem leaves

> > > everyday as His bhiksha for 40 years! Shri Swamigal used to

> suffer

> > > from stomach ache (owing to his prarabdha karma). He can cure

> that

> > > ache but suffered just to show that one cannot avoid one's

> > prarabdha

> > > karma even though one is an avatara purusha. During Sriyantra

> > Puja,

> > > he used to place a grass beside him. With some mantras, he

used

> to

> > > transfer the stomach ache to the grass. The grass begins to

> shake

> > > with pain. Then as soon as the Navavarana archana was over, he

> > used

> > > to take back the pain from grass. Such is the tapas of this

> > > wonderful acharya.

> > >

> > > Numerous are the lilas of sringeri acharyas. I think if I tell

> > like

> > > this, it would run in pages.

> > >

> > > Regarding the Purnabhisheka, the sanyasis DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY

> > > DIKSHAS OTHER THAN PRANAVOPASANA. AMNAYA PITAS DOES NOT HAVE

> THESE

> > > PURNABHISHEKA CEREMONIES TO YATIS. FOR THEM SRIVIDYA JAPA IS

AS

> > > GOOD AS THE JAPA OF GAYATRI OR PANCHAKSHARI. THEY DO NOT GIVE

> ANY

> > > SPECIAL IMPORTANCE TO SRIVIDYA. THEY DO IT JUST FOR THE SAKE

OF

> > > DOING IT AS THE PITA DEVATA HAS TO BE WORSHIPPED WITH SRIVIDYA

> > > MANTRAS.

> > >

> > > ALL THE ACHARYAS BELONGING TO SRINGERI PARAMPARA ARE PARAMA-

> HAMSAS

> > > AND REALISED YATIS.

> > >

> > > Hope your doubt is cleared.

> > >

> > > With regards,

> > > sriram

> > >

> > > @ .com, " PRADEEP " <srividyanand@ ...>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > DEAR ADVAITI AND SADHAKAS,

> > > > I want to know the KARMAKAND OF SANYAS.

> > > > what is the method of sanyas.

> > > > what is danda tarpan.

> > > > what is the life after sanyas .DO OR DONT DO fOR SANYASI

> > > > wHAT IS THE QUALIFICATION OF DANDI SANYASI AND HOW IS HE

> DIFFRENT

> > > FROM

> > > > OTHER SANYASI.

> > > > WHAT MANTRA THEY GET AFTER SANYAS.

> > > > LIFESTYLE OF DANDI SANYASI.

> > > > HOW TO CHANT MAHAVAKYAS.

> > > > WHAT IS THE DAILY ROUTINE OF OUR PUJYA SHANKRACHARYAS IF ANY

> BODY

> > > KNOWS.

> > > > GRAHASTA CAN TAKE SANYAS.

> > > > DOES SANYASI NEED PURNA ABHISHEK.

> > > > ANY OTHER BOOKS ON SANYAS.

> > > >

> > > > REGARDS,

> > > > SRIVIDYANAND NATH

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Sadguru pAdhukA jayathI.

 

Namaste Sriramji,

I see you have singled me out for the triade!But still :

 

Adi sankara drank poison. Will you?

 

I have never claimed to be adi shankara or his equal or anything

like that!You're question seems quite pointless, if you take the

time to read my question again.

I only mentioned that adi shankara observed that even a chandala

when speaking of the brahma tattva becomes brahmin.In the same vein

as you mention many observations and statements of maha periyaval

and your guru etc.

 

If every person wanting to follow the words of the acharya had to

drink poison what is there to be proved by it?When you quote adi

shankara for saying something is there anything served by me or

anyone else asking you if you drank poison or composed the

soundaryalalahiri?

 

If the dharma sastras prohibit such an act I assume there must be a

reason and I really wanted to know why such an injunction is in

place to reconcile that to myself.Failing to provide any sort of

reason you mention that such prayachittas are not for yogis and

realised souls.All I wanted to know was why my sastras prohibit me

from listening to the bashyas etc of non brahmin saints.I reiterate

again I have no illusions of being adi shankara or a yogi.I am just

a particle of dust at the feet of my guru whose upasana makes the

soul cry out to unshakle limitations and reductions of the supreme

and rise to a place to be able to see the same devi in everything

and everybody.

 

Perhaps some day the grace of my guru will reveal to me the reason

behind it. Or perhaps someday I will drink poison and the grace of

my Devi,the medicine even to Rudra, will stop it at my throat!Who

knows?

 

With regards,

 

 

om maitryAdhi vAsanA labhyAyai namaha.

 

 

, " sriram " <sriram_sapthasathi

wrote:

>

> Dear mr. iyer,

>

> Namaste. Adi sankara drank poison. Will you?

>

> These prayaschitas are not for yogis and self-realised saints. It

is

> for us. A non-dwija has the adhikara of veda abhyasa and NOT

> ADHYAYANA. He has the authority to preach but when an upasaka who

is

> performing the gayatri upasana, the effect is disastrous (as told

by

> Mahaperiyaval). He has to undergo prayaschita kanda as ordained by

> Mahaperiyaval. There are some mantras which he has to chant (they

are

> with me) and do gayatri japa with fasting.

>

> with regards,

> sriram

>

>

>

> , " manalianamika " <manalianamika@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Sri gurubhyo namaha.

> >

> > Namaste Sriramji

> >

> > ''MOREOVER, IF A YATI COMES FROM KSHATRIYA, VAISHYA AND SUDRA

> > BACKGROUND, HE IS CALLED SADHU / BAIRAGI. IF A BRAHMIN HEARS THE

> > LECTURES OR ANUGRAHA BHASHANA FROM THESE SADHUS, THERE ARE

> > PRAYASCHITA MANTRAS WHICH HAVE TO BE UNDERGONE AFTER GAYATRI

> > ANUSHTANA. ''

> >

> > When adi shankarAchArya commented that even a chandAlA when

> speaking

> > of the Brahma tattva is to be known as a brahmin, does that not

> > indicate that at certain heights/planes such divisions become

> > arbitary?

> > Why the need to repent when all one did was to listen or

> participate

> > in the satsanga/anugraha bhashana of a sadhu from a sect other

than

> > a brahmin (for a brahmin I mean)?

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > G.K.Iyer

> >

> > , " sriram " <sriram_sapthasathi@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear vishwam,

> > >

> > > Unless the yati chants the SATARUDRIYA WITH SVARAS, his

> > > nityaanushtana is NOT COMPLETE for that day. This is the yati

> > dharma

> > > hailing from smartha background. However, vaishnava yatis

donot

> > > follow this rudra patha.

> > >

> > > MOREOVER, IF A YATI COMES FROM KSHATRIYA, VAISHYA AND SUDRA

> > > BACKGROUND, HE IS CALLED SADHU / BAIRAGI. IF A BRAHMIN HEARS

THE

> > > LECTURES OR ANUGRAHA BHASHANA FROM THESE SADHUS, THERE ARE

> > > PRAYASCHITA MANTRAS WHICH HAVE TO BE UNDERGONE AFTER GAYATRI

> > > ANUSHTANA.

> > >

> > > with regards,

> > > sriram

> > >

> > >

> > > , vishwanthan Krishnamoorthy

> > > <krishvishy@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Satarudriya?

> > > >

> > > > The sanyasi has no adhikaram to chant the Satarudriya after

> > tyagam

> > > of the yagnopvitham as it is veda bhagam

> > > >

> > > > The sanyasi can read, ponder upon on, elucidate but not

chant

> > the

> > > vedas

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > Vishwam

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > sriram <sriram_sapthasathi@>

> > > >

> > > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008 10:12:21 AM

> > > > Re: DAND SANYAS

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear pradeep,

> > > >

> > > > Are you asking for academic interest or interested in taking

> > sanyas

> > > > I donot know. If it is for academic interest, there is a

book

> > > > called " Yati Dharma Nirnaya " .

> > > >

> > > > Strictly speaking, a sanyasi has many karmanushtanas when

> > compared

> > > > to Grihastha. Before taking the Sanyas, he has to perform

> > Gayatri

> > > > Purascharana. He has to perform the Viraja Homa. During the

> > nadi

> > > > snana, he has to perform mantra snana with mrittika,

> > aghamarshana

> > > > sukta, mrittika sukta. Has to remove kati sutra,

yajnopavita,

> > > sikha

> > > > etc. and stand naked before the gurunatha. Guru asks him to

> > come

> > > > forward from the river in front all (he has to forget his

deha

> > > > abhimana) gives the sati (kashaya vastra) and performs the

> > > > mahavakyopadesa. Then danda and kamandala are given.

> > > >

> > > > Depending upon the amnaya pita parampara (sringeri, puri,

> > badari,

> > > > joshi), the corresponding mahavakhyas are initiated (like

aham

> > > > brahmasi, tatm tva asi etc.). So, a yati has to do the japa

of

> > > > pranava (om-kara) 12000 times daily without fail. Do the

japa

> > of

> > > > Narayana Ashtakshari, Vishnu Sahasranama, Satarudriya,

Bhagavat

> > > > Gita, Brahma Sutras along with Sankara Bhashya, Mandukya

> > Upanishad

> > > > alongwith Gaudapada Karikas. Study the portions of

Prasthana

> > Traya

> > > > Bhashyas daily without fail. He has to contemplate on the

> Hamsa

> > > > Tattva everyday.

> > > >

> > > > As regard the tarpana to his danda, 12 sutras are entwined

and

> > tied

> > > > to the Danda. There is a special danda puja, tarpana and

> > anushtana

> > > > to the agra, Madhya and adho bhaga of the danda with the

> bhavana

> > of

> > > > Brahma, Vishnu and Rudra. This danda is the Upavitha to

the

> > Yatis

> > > > and if lost, they should fast, do prayaschita japa, tarpana

> till

> > > > they get the new danda.

> > > >

> > > > Regarding the qualification to become yati, I think one need

> not

> > > > answer this question and this all depends upon one's chitta

> > vrittis

> > > > and samskaras. One should take the sanyasa from the

DASANAMI

> > > ORDER

> > > > ONLY as prescribed by Shri Sankaracharya. Some of their

titles

> > are

> > > > Bharati, Tirtha, Puri, Aranya, Saraswati, Giri etc. The

> sanyasa

> > > > should be taken only from the gurus who belong this Dasanami

> > Order.

> > > >

> > > > Now regarding the anushtana karma of Sankaracharyas in the

> pita,

> > > > they are quite different from ordinary yatis of dasanami

order.

> > > > They have the responsibility of maintaining the

administration

> > and

> > > > law and order of the pita, perform the anushtana of Pita

> Devata,

> > > > study sastras etc. Ordinary yati has no anushtana other

than

> > > > Pranavopasana but Muttadhipatis have the anushtana karma of

> japa

> > of

> > > > their respective amnaya karma of Srividya, Srichakra Puja

and

> > > > Panchayatana. Though they seem to be engrossed in these

> > > anushtanas,

> > > > their OWN UPASANA is entirely different which they perform

at

> > 4:00

> > > > AM in the morning. They perform the japa of Pranava, and

> > mahavakya

> > > > anushtana. Sringeri acharyas are initiated the

mahavakya " aham

> > > > brahma asmi " . They have their own parayanas of Sutra

Bhashya

> > > > alongwith Sankara Commentary, Upanishads, Sastra Chintana,

Yoga

> > > > Abhyasa, parayana of Anandalahari, Atmavidya Vilasam etc.

They

> > > also

> > > > do the japas of various mantras related to srividya

amnayasa.

> > > > Sringeri Acharyas concentrate on dakshinamurthy, Bala,

> > Panchadasi,

> > > > Shodasi, Hamsa, Nrisimha and other mantra. Nrisimha

Anushtup

> > > mantra

> > > > is the favourite mantra of Sringeri Acharyas.

> > > >

> > > > IT IS INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT NRISIMHA, KRITYA IN THE FORM

OF

> > > > PRATYANGIRA GAURDS THE PRESENT SWAMIGAL SHRI BHARATI TIRTHA

> > > > MAHASWAMIGAL. WHEREVER THE SWAMIGAL GOES, THESE TWO DEVATAS

> > FOLLOW

> > > > THE SWAMIGAL. THIS IS THE EYE WITNESS OF MY GURUNATHA. ANY

> > > > PRAYOGAS DONE ON PITA AND THE ACHARYAS, ARE COUNTERED BY

THESE

> > TWO

> > > > DEVATAS.

> > > >

> > > > So, the Sringeri Acharyas and other Yatis belonging to 3

> amnayas

> > > > even though they are sanyasis, they have equal rights to do

the

> > > > anushtana of Srividya and Sriyantra Puja alongwith their

daily

> > > > Chandramoulishwara Puja and Panchayatana.

> > > >

> > > > Regarding their life style, they have a strict lifestyle

having

> > the

> > > > Bhiksha of 3 morsels. It entirely depends on their

> austerities.

> > > > Nrisimha Bharati Swamigal survived with handful of neem

leaves

> > > > everyday as His bhiksha for 40 years! Shri Swamigal used to

> > suffer

> > > > from stomach ache (owing to his prarabdha karma). He can

cure

> > that

> > > > ache but suffered just to show that one cannot avoid one's

> > > prarabdha

> > > > karma even though one is an avatara purusha. During

Sriyantra

> > > Puja,

> > > > he used to place a grass beside him. With some mantras, he

> used

> > to

> > > > transfer the stomach ache to the grass. The grass begins to

> > shake

> > > > with pain. Then as soon as the Navavarana archana was over,

he

> > > used

> > > > to take back the pain from grass. Such is the tapas of this

> > > > wonderful acharya.

> > > >

> > > > Numerous are the lilas of sringeri acharyas. I think if I

tell

> > > like

> > > > this, it would run in pages.

> > > >

> > > > Regarding the Purnabhisheka, the sanyasis DOES NOT REQUIRE

ANY

> > > > DIKSHAS OTHER THAN PRANAVOPASANA. AMNAYA PITAS DOES NOT

HAVE

> > THESE

> > > > PURNABHISHEKA CEREMONIES TO YATIS. FOR THEM SRIVIDYA JAPA

IS

> AS

> > > > GOOD AS THE JAPA OF GAYATRI OR PANCHAKSHARI. THEY DO NOT

GIVE

> > ANY

> > > > SPECIAL IMPORTANCE TO SRIVIDYA. THEY DO IT JUST FOR THE

SAKE

> OF

> > > > DOING IT AS THE PITA DEVATA HAS TO BE WORSHIPPED WITH

SRIVIDYA

> > > > MANTRAS.

> > > >

> > > > ALL THE ACHARYAS BELONGING TO SRINGERI PARAMPARA ARE PARAMA-

> > HAMSAS

> > > > AND REALISED YATIS.

> > > >

> > > > Hope your doubt is cleared.

> > > >

> > > > With regards,

> > > > sriram

> > > >

> > > > @ .com, " PRADEEP "

<srividyanand@ ...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > DEAR ADVAITI AND SADHAKAS,

> > > > > I want to know the KARMAKAND OF SANYAS.

> > > > > what is the method of sanyas.

> > > > > what is danda tarpan.

> > > > > what is the life after sanyas .DO OR DONT DO fOR SANYASI

> > > > > wHAT IS THE QUALIFICATION OF DANDI SANYASI AND HOW IS HE

> > DIFFRENT

> > > > FROM

> > > > > OTHER SANYASI.

> > > > > WHAT MANTRA THEY GET AFTER SANYAS.

> > > > > LIFESTYLE OF DANDI SANYASI.

> > > > > HOW TO CHANT MAHAVAKYAS.

> > > > > WHAT IS THE DAILY ROUTINE OF OUR PUJYA SHANKRACHARYAS IF

ANY

> > BODY

> > > > KNOWS.

> > > > > GRAHASTA CAN TAKE SANYAS.

> > > > > DOES SANYASI NEED PURNA ABHISHEK.

> > > > > ANY OTHER BOOKS ON SANYAS.

> > > > >

> > > > > REGARDS,

> > > > > SRIVIDYANAND NATH

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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shri gurubhyo namaH

shri mahAgaNapataye namaH

 

Dear shriram,

 

sarvebhyo gurubhyo namaH

 

We may never know why your Gurunaatha asked his shishyas to perform

prAyashchittam after they returned from hearing the discourse of a non-brahmin

swamiji.

 

Was it for himself as a sannyAsI or for his Shishyas ?

 

Did your gurunAtha Himself perform any prAyaschittam ?

 

If yes, why ? (because He did not attend the discourse by a non-brahmin swamiji

and therefore there would be no reason for him to perform prAyaschittam ) ?

 

If he did not, then how does this incident relate to the question at hand ?

 

Perhaps the reasons for your GurunAthA asking his shishyas to perform

prAyaschittam had nothing to do with brahmins or non-brahmins, but rather faith

in the Guru and in the Guru paramparA ?

 

I am told that in the Shri Vidya world, there are three types of people - Mriga,

Nara and Deva (not Brahmin, Kshatriya etc.), and that all people could be Shri

Vidya Upasakas, and that each person should try to move from Mriga state to Nara

state and from Nara state to Deva state of existence.

 

I believe that we all already know the answer to this question inwardly. I

request each and every one to look inward for the true answers to this question

of brahmin, non-brahmin etc.

 

sarvebhyo gurubhyo namaH

 

Regards.

 

shri mAtre namaH

 

 

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dear kumar,

 

My gurunatha did not perform the prayaschita as he did not go to the

discourse.

 

The prayaschita was performed for disciples who went to the discourse

by Raghavana Narayana Sastrigal. Because all these people prostrated

before the sadhu who was non-initiate in gayatri.

 

Moreover, Yati dharma prohibits the sanyasa to kshatriya, vaishya and

sudra. If they take the sanyasa they are not yatis but sadhus.

 

Moreover, the Yatis who undergo the mahavakyopadesa have to study the

sutra bhasya. The 1st sutra itself says that " athato

brahmajignyasa " . By the term " athato " , implies that having undergone

the study of purva mimamsa, having performed the karma kanda ordained

by Veda, he has to come to study the uttara mimamsa with due

initiation into sanyasa. Only such person is called yati. Adi sankara

took pains in explaining who is the adhikara to study the surtra

bhasya in the 1st sutra itself. Moreover, all the upanishads are the

part and parcel of vedas which only yatis have to study having

undergone the mahavakya upadesa from amnaya pitas. The smartha dvija

grihasta has to listen only to such sanyasis who hail from amnaya

parampara of dasanami order. If they prostrate before sadhus, it is

the ayu kshina to the householder and to the sadhu. Dharma sastra

prohibits this.

 

For further clarification, pl. refer Yati dharma nirnaya published by

Pushpagiri Pita.

 

varNAshramavidhAyinyai namah....

 

with regards,

sriram

 

, " Kumar Ramachandran " <kramach

wrote:

>

> shri gurubhyo namaH

> shri mahAgaNapataye namaH

>

> Dear shriram,

>

> sarvebhyo gurubhyo namaH

>

> We may never know why your Gurunaatha asked his shishyas to perform

prAyashchittam after they returned from hearing the discourse of a

non-brahmin swamiji.

>

> Was it for himself as a sannyAsI or for his Shishyas ?

>

> Did your gurunAtha Himself perform any prAyaschittam ?

>

> If yes, why ? (because He did not attend the discourse by a non-

brahmin swamiji and therefore there would be no reason for him to

perform prAyaschittam ) ?

>

> If he did not, then how does this incident relate to the question

at hand ?

>

> Perhaps the reasons for your GurunAthA asking his shishyas to

perform prAyaschittam had nothing to do with brahmins or non-

brahmins, but rather faith in the Guru and in the Guru paramparA ?

>

> I am told that in the Shri Vidya world, there are three types of

people - Mriga, Nara and Deva (not Brahmin, Kshatriya etc.), and

that all people could be Shri Vidya Upasakas, and that each person

should try to move from Mriga state to Nara state and from Nara state

to Deva state of existence.

>

> I believe that we all already know the answer to this question

inwardly. I request each and every one to look inward for the true

answers to this question of brahmin, non-brahmin etc.

>

> sarvebhyo gurubhyo namaH

>

> Regards.

>

> shri mAtre namaH

>

>

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shri gurubhyo namaH

shri mahAgaNapataye namaH

 

dear shriram

 

Never mind.

 

I am not arguing the existence of the VarNAshramas.

 

Just our interpretations and interrelations between them.

 

Anyhow, I think I know the answer for myself, just as you know it for yourself.

 

I have no comment or judgement on what others do or say in this matter.

 

shivashaktyaikyarUpiNyai namaH

 

regards

KR

 

shri mAtre namaH

 

 

 

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Dear kumar,

 

Namaste and shubha navaratri. Let us close this thread and let us

not waste our time in this holy navaratri discussing controversial

and burning issues.

 

Ya devi sarvabhuteshu matru rupena samsthitah

namastasyai namastasyai namastasyai namo namah...

 

with best regards,

sriram

 

, " Kumar Ramachandran " <kramach

wrote:

>

> shri gurubhyo namaH

> shri mahAgaNapataye namaH

>

> dear shriram

>

> Never mind.

>

> I am not arguing the existence of the VarNAshramas.

>

> Just our interpretations and interrelations between them.

>

> Anyhow, I think I know the answer for myself, just as you know it

for yourself.

>

> I have no comment or judgement on what others do or say in this

matter.

>

> shivashaktyaikyarUpiNyai namaH

>

> regards

> KR

>

> shri mAtre namaH

>

>

>

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Dear Sriram/Ganapathy-ji

 

1. Regarding Gayatri japam

--> Gayatri japa is disallowed for Paramahamsa Sanyasins;

 

-Reference: Yoga Enlightenment and Perfection, Page 42: Direct quote attributed

to HH Abhinava Vidya Tirtha

 

2. Regarding sa swara chanting (Vachikam) of Vedas

--> I am 100% sure it is not allowed as some one very close to Paramacharyal

mentioned it, I will get references, In the meantime can you get confirmation

from Acharyal if you are attending the Navaratri in Sringeri?

I know that they can read, ponder on it and even write bhashyas and judge veda

sadas

 

regards

Vishwam

 

 

 

 

sriram <sriram_sapthasathi

 

Thursday, October 2, 2008 11:10:24 PM

Re: DAND SANYAS

 

 

Dear kumar,

 

Namaste and shubha navaratri. Let us close this thread and let us

not waste our time in this holy navaratri discussing controversial

and burning issues.

 

Ya devi sarvabhuteshu matru rupena samsthitah

namastasyai namastasyai namastasyai namo namah...

 

with best regards,

sriram

 

@ .com, " Kumar Ramachandran " <kramach >

wrote:

>

> shri gurubhyo namaH

> shri mahAgaNapataye namaH

>

> dear shriram

>

> Never mind.

>

> I am not arguing the existence of the VarNAshramas.

>

> Just our interpretations and interrelations between them.

>

> Anyhow, I think I know the answer for myself, just as you know it

for yourself.

>

> I have no comment or judgement on what others do or say in this

matter.

>

> shivashaktyaikyarUp iNyai namaH

>

> regards

> KR

>

> shri mAtre namaH

>

>

>

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my bad,

I just found out that though the Paramahamsa Sanyasi is disallowed from chanting

the Vedas, there is an exception made for the Satarudriya

 

" The importance of Rudram can be understood from the fact that while a sanyasi

is supposed to give up chanting of even the Vedas (barring the Upanishads), he

is expected to chant Rudram all the time or at least once a day "

--Swamy Paramathananda (http://www.yogamalika.org/SivarathriMusings.html)

 

The problem was my generalizing the injunction against chanting Vedas to include

the Satarudriya too, incomplete knowledge can be a pain :-)

 

 

vidyAsu shAstreShu vivekadIpeShvAdyeShu vAkyeShu cha kA tvadanyA |

mamatvagarte.atimahAndhakAre vibhrAmayatyetadatIva

 

Vishwam||

 

 

 

 

 

vishwanthan Krishnamoorthy <krishvishy

 

Friday, October 3, 2008 10:05:45 AM

Re: Re: DAND SANYAS

 

 

Dear Sriram/Ganapathy- ji

 

1. Regarding Gayatri japam

--> Gayatri japa is disallowed for Paramahamsa Sanyasins;

 

-Reference: Yoga Enlightenment and Perfection, Page 42: Direct quote attributed

to HH Abhinava Vidya Tirtha

 

2. Regarding sa swara chanting (Vachikam) of Vedas

--> I am 100% sure it is not allowed as some one very close to Paramacharyal

mentioned it, I will get references, In the meantime can you get confirmation

from Acharyal if you are attending the Navaratri in Sringeri?

I know that they can read, ponder on it and even write bhashyas and judge veda

sadas

 

regards

Vishwam

 

 

sriram <sriram_sapthasathi@ grouply.com>

@ .com

Thursday, October 2, 2008 11:10:24 PM

Re: DAND SANYAS

 

Dear kumar,

 

Namaste and shubha navaratri. Let us close this thread and let us

not waste our time in this holy navaratri discussing controversial

and burning issues.

 

Ya devi sarvabhuteshu matru rupena samsthitah

namastasyai namastasyai namastasyai namo namah...

 

with best regards,

sriram

 

@ .com, " Kumar Ramachandran " <kramach >

wrote:

>

> shri gurubhyo namaH

> shri mahAgaNapataye namaH

>

> dear shriram

>

> Never mind.

>

> I am not arguing the existence of the VarNAshramas.

>

> Just our interpretations and interrelations between them.

>

> Anyhow, I think I know the answer for myself, just as you know it

for yourself.

>

> I have no comment or judgement on what others do or say in this

matter.

>

> shivashaktyaikyarUp iNyai namaH

>

> regards

> KR

>

> shri mAtre namaH

>

>

>

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Dear vishwam,

 

Namaste. The discourses of Kanchi Mahaperiyavaal have been

published in 10 volumes (in telugu language). I don't know about

other languages. In one of the volumes, Periyavaal mentions the

Yati dharma and what the yati has to perform as his nitya ahnika. He

had clearly mentioned the satarudriya, Vishnu Sahasranama, Gita as

mandatory for the yati.

 

I was just waiting for you to discover these things and by Mother's

grace you found it out.

 

Even the gayatri also, the Turiya Gayatri, Mahavakyas (pertaining to

corresponding amnaya pita parampara), Hamsa Mantra, Pranava are

initiated to Yatis after the turiyasrama svikara.

 

ajnAnadhAntadIpikAyai namah.....

 

with warm regards,

sriram

 

, vishwanthan Krishnamoorthy

<krishvishy wrote:

>

>

> my bad,

> I just found out that though the Paramahamsa Sanyasi is disallowed

from chanting the Vedas, there is an exception made for the

Satarudriya

>

> " The importance of Rudram can be understood from the fact that

while a sanyasi is supposed to give up chanting of even the Vedas

(barring the Upanishads), he is expected to chant Rudram all the

time or at least once a day "

> --Swamy Paramathananda

(http://www.yogamalika.org/SivarathriMusings.html)

>

> The problem was my generalizing the injunction against chanting

Vedas to include the Satarudriya too, incomplete knowledge can be a

pain :-)

>

>

> vidyAsu shAstreShu vivekadIpeShvAdyeShu vAkyeShu cha kA tvadanyA |

> mamatvagarte.atimahAndhakAre vibhrAmayatyetadatIva

>

> Vishwam||

>

>

>

>

>

> vishwanthan Krishnamoorthy <krishvishy

>

> Friday, October 3, 2008 10:05:45 AM

> Re: Re: DAND SANYAS

>

>

> Dear Sriram/Ganapathy- ji

>

> 1. Regarding Gayatri japam

> --> Gayatri japa is disallowed for Paramahamsa Sanyasins;

>

> -Reference: Yoga Enlightenment and Perfection, Page 42: Direct

quote attributed to HH Abhinava Vidya Tirtha

>

> 2. Regarding sa swara chanting (Vachikam) of Vedas

> --> I am 100% sure it is not allowed as some one very close to

Paramacharyal mentioned it, I will get references, In the meantime

can you get confirmation from Acharyal if you are attending the

Navaratri in Sringeri?

> I know that they can read, ponder on it and even write bhashyas

and judge veda sadas

>

> regards

> Vishwam

>

>

> sriram <sriram_sapthasathi@ grouply.com>

> @ .com

> Thursday, October 2, 2008 11:10:24 PM

> Re: DAND SANYAS

>

> Dear kumar,

>

> Namaste and shubha navaratri. Let us close this thread and let us

> not waste our time in this holy navaratri discussing controversial

> and burning issues.

>

> Ya devi sarvabhuteshu matru rupena samsthitah

> namastasyai namastasyai namastasyai namo namah...

>

> with best regards,

> sriram

>

> @ .com, " Kumar Ramachandran " <kramach@ >

> wrote:

> >

> > shri gurubhyo namaH

> > shri mahAgaNapataye namaH

> >

> > dear shriram

> >

> > Never mind.

> >

> > I am not arguing the existence of the VarNAshramas.

> >

> > Just our interpretations and interrelations between them.

> >

> > Anyhow, I think I know the answer for myself, just as you know

it

> for yourself.

> >

> > I have no comment or judgement on what others do or say in this

> matter.

> >

> > shivashaktyaikyarUp iNyai namaH

> >

> > regards

> > KR

> >

> > shri mAtre namaH

> >

> >

> >

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dear Sriram,

 

Then why does Mahasannidhanam say that

Gayatri japa is disallowed for Paramahamsa Sanyasins;? maybe He is referring

only to tripada Gayatri? and not turiya Gayatri

 

 

vidyAsu shAstreShu vivekadIpeShvAdyeSh u vAkyeShu cha kA tvadanyA |

 

mamatvagarte. atimahAndhakAre vibhrAmayatyetadatI va

 

 

Vishwam||

 

 

 

 

 

sriram <sriram_sapthasathi

 

Friday, October 3, 2008 10:39:10 AM

Re: DAND SANYAS

 

 

Dear vishwam,

 

Namaste. The discourses of Kanchi Mahaperiyavaal have been

published in 10 volumes (in telugu language). I don't know about

other languages. In one of the volumes, Periyavaal mentions the

Yati dharma and what the yati has to perform as his nitya ahnika. He

had clearly mentioned the satarudriya, Vishnu Sahasranama, Gita as

mandatory for the yati.

 

I was just waiting for you to discover these things and by Mother's

grace you found it out.

 

Even the gayatri also, the Turiya Gayatri, Mahavakyas (pertaining to

corresponding amnaya pita parampara), Hamsa Mantra, Pranava are

initiated to Yatis after the turiyasrama svikara.

 

ajnAnadhAntadIpikAy ai namah.....

 

with warm regards,

sriram

 

@ .com, vishwanthan Krishnamoorthy

<krishvishy@ ...> wrote:

>

>

> my bad,

> I just found out that though the Paramahamsa Sanyasi is disallowed

from chanting the Vedas, there is an exception made for the

Satarudriya

>

> " The importance of Rudram can be understood from the fact that

while a sanyasi is supposed to give up chanting of even the Vedas

(barring the Upanishads), he is expected to chant Rudram all the

time or at least once a day "

> --Swamy Paramathananda

(http://www.yogamali ka.org/Sivarathr iMusings. html)

>

> The problem was my generalizing the injunction against chanting

Vedas to include the Satarudriya too, incomplete knowledge can be a

pain :-)

>

>

> vidyAsu shAstreShu vivekadIpeShvAdyeSh u vAkyeShu cha kA tvadanyA |

> mamatvagarte. atimahAndhakAre vibhrAmayatyetadatI va

>

> Vishwam||

>

>

>

>

>

> vishwanthan Krishnamoorthy <krishvishy@ ...>

> @ .com

> Friday, October 3, 2008 10:05:45 AM

> Re: Re: DAND SANYAS

>

>

> Dear Sriram/Ganapathy- ji

>

> 1. Regarding Gayatri japam

> --> Gayatri japa is disallowed for Paramahamsa Sanyasins;

>

> -Reference: Yoga Enlightenment and Perfection, Page 42: Direct

quote attributed to HH Abhinava Vidya Tirtha

>

> 2. Regarding sa swara chanting (Vachikam) of Vedas

> --> I am 100% sure it is not allowed as some one very close to

Paramacharyal mentioned it, I will get references, In the meantime

can you get confirmation from Acharyal if you are attending the

Navaratri in Sringeri?

> I know that they can read, ponder on it and even write bhashyas

and judge veda sadas

>

> regards

> Vishwam

>

>

> sriram <sriram_sapthasathi @ grouply.com>

> @ .com

> Thursday, October 2, 2008 11:10:24 PM

> Re: DAND SANYAS

>

> Dear kumar,

>

> Namaste and shubha navaratri. Let us close this thread and let us

> not waste our time in this holy navaratri discussing controversial

> and burning issues.

>

> Ya devi sarvabhuteshu matru rupena samsthitah

> namastasyai namastasyai namastasyai namo namah...

>

> with best regards,

> sriram

>

> @ .com, " Kumar Ramachandran " <kramach@ >

> wrote:

> >

> > shri gurubhyo namaH

> > shri mahAgaNapataye namaH

> >

> > dear shriram

> >

> > Never mind.

> >

> > I am not arguing the existence of the VarNAshramas.

> >

> > Just our interpretations and interrelations between them.

> >

> > Anyhow, I think I know the answer for myself, just as you know

it

> for yourself.

> >

> > I have no comment or judgement on what others do or say in this

> matter.

> >

> > shivashaktyaikyarUp iNyai namaH

> >

> > regards

> > KR

> >

> > shri mAtre namaH

> >

> >

> >

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