Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Dear members, These days many brahmin youth who are spiritual find that there is no use in doing sandi and other ritualistic worship. They seem to be contend with the fact that only Dhyana, meditation or yoga is enough. Few say jus doing Gayatri alone is enough or maybe along with pranAyAma. They dont find any purpose or not convinced with the real purport or significance of offering arghyas or other rituals involved in sandi and other forms of worship. Although i disagree to their opinion I request someone to give a convincing, authoritative and valid justification for the use and significance of all the ritualistic actions that are performed while doing Sandhi and other pujas. Thanks & Regs Ghanesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Dear ganesh, Namaste. Please bear with me as I reveal some of the harsh truths. The main culprits for such a trend are parents. Because they themselves do not know the importance of vedic rituals, sandhya. With these samskaras in their mind, how do they teach their children the values and morals of life? There are 16 samskaras that gave to be undergone which the parents themselves do not know. Thanks to the Parents who perform the upanayana of their children a day before marriage. The next day, the hum bug of marriage (even the real essence of this marriage system is lost now). What exactly is performed in Upanayana, neither the parents nor the children know. What exactly is the Gauri Puja (during the marriage), neither the parents know nor the Girl. How many purohitas are initiating the Girl with Gauri Panchakshari here? Practically none. And thanks to our TV and modern gurus in the channels. The main concept of teaching yoga for these gurus is " how to lower BP, Sugar, Arthritis and heart problems " . The sanctity of yoga, pranayama and meditation is not there among these gurus. You have used a term " spiritual " for such people. Frankly speaking, they do not know what they want in life and lack a purpose and vision. Such people are not spiritual. These people are used to getting fed by " foreign spoon " . Indian philosophy does not taste well for them unless Arthor Avalon, Max Mueller, Norman Brown, Griffith and several others blow their own trumpets. If they are " spiritual " , they would have certainly appreciated the authority and sanctity of the vedic rituals and sandhya upasana. Now, the terms which you have used like Pranayama, Yoga, and Meditation are also present in the most potent form of upasana which our ancient vedic seers termed it as " Sandhya Upasana " . It is a COMPLETE PACKAGE BY ITSELF which has been passed down to the posterity by our rishis. It involves Dhyana, Pranayama, Upasana, Japa and all other techniques which our modern gurus have coined. Does not it involve Reiki and Pranic Healing in the form of Nyasas and Mudras. Does not it involve Meditation on the Supreme Sun (Sun is the form of Auspicious and Supreme Wisdom) in the form of Savitr Upasana. Does not it involve Sun Bath which the Westerners have coined. Does not it involve breathing techniques with mantra which is the pranayama with Gayatri mantra? Does not it involve the mantra japa which is the Supreme Gayatri Mantra, the Greatest of all the Mantras? Gayatri is the protector of Vital Energy (gayan trayate iti gayatri). Does not it involve Yoga which involves the contemplation of Oneness of Jiva and Parama Purusha in the Solar Orbit (the kilaka mantra is asAvAdiyO brahmA in the mantra " udyanta…..). So, what aspect has been omitted in Sandhya Vandana which is found " something extra " that is taught by so-called modern gurus? Now coming to Sandhya Vandana, for every mantra upasana be it Gayatri or other mantras, there are certain purificatory rites that have to be observed which are mandatory. DO WE TAKE MEALS / DINNER AFTER ANSWERING CALLS OF NATURE? CERTAINLY NOT, ISN'T IT. I THINK THE REASON EVERYONE KNOWS IE., CLEANLINESS AND ANY BACTERIAL GERMS AND WHATNOT WOULD BE WASHED OFF FROM OUR BODY. SIMILARLY, GAYATRI MANTRA JAPA PERFORMED WITHOUT PURVA ANGAS AND UTTARA ANGAS IS A SINFUL ACT. THE GAYATRI MANTRA JAPA, IF DONE WITHOUT PURVA AND UTTARA ANGAS INVOLVES DOSHA WHICH IS LIKE TAKING FOOD WITHOUT WASHING HANDS / FEET AFTER ANSWERING CALLS OF NATURE. The sinful acts committed during the night would be wiped off by performance of Morning Sandhya. Any sinful acts committed during the morning would be wiped off by performance of Afternoon Sandhya. Any sinful acts committed during the Afternoon would be wiped off by performance of Evening Sandhya. So, if you perform 3 sandhyas properly, you are untouched by the Sins. No other upasana is required if one performs the Sandhyavandana without fail with proper understanding of each and every mantras. In Sandhyavandana, each and every mantra is important and should be done meticulously with proper understanding of the mantras. There are Purvangas and Uttarangas for Gayatri Japa which should be done properly without omitting them. Every mantra has its importance. Purvanga of Gayatri Japa 1) Achamana which is a purificatory rite. 2) Pranayama : This is a normal pranayama which involves Puraka, Rechaka and Kumbhaka with Gayatri and 7 vyahritis. Are the modern gurus teaching something extra other than this? 3) Apohistha mayobhuvah is a marjana mantra which is a purificatory rite (Apo devatas are invoked; Narayana in the form of Agni enters the Apah for creation. So, it is this Agni that is invoked for purification) 4) Suryascha ma manyuscha is the mantra for pavitrikarana and any sinful acts that are being committed on that particular would be wiped off ie., any sinful acts that were inspired by Antaryaami (surya), Mind (Manyu) and Indriyas (Manyupatayah) , those sins along with the Kartruttva bhavana (ie., I-ness) is being offered as havis into the Parama Jyothi (Surye Jyothishi Juhomi Svaha). 5) Dadhikravanno Is the punar maarjana for vaak shuddhi (DadhikrAv is the Agni that presides over the curd and moreover it bestows Vak Shuddhi which is a must for Mantra Upasana) 6) Apohistha ..(again a purificatory rite) 7) Hiranyavarnah shuchayah.. for invoking Agni for Brahma tejas 8) Drupadaat (papa purusha dahana ie., imagine you sins as a dark person sitting beside at your left and with this mantra sprinkle water and imagine as if this person is reduced to ashes). This papa purusha dahana is also employed in Sriyantra Puja but in a different way. 9) Arghya Now as regards the Arghya, it is generally a story that during the sunrise, three demons called mandeha obstruct the path of Sun, the Chariot and the Charioteer. Sun is the Inspirer or the Antaryami in the Heart. So, the demons are the 3 anti-divine forces that obstruct the Dawn of Divine Knowledge. This Dawn of Divine Knowledge is the upanayana. So, the 3 anti-divine forces that camouflage the Dawn of Divine Inspiration are symbolically represented here. So, for any person who want to be " spiritual " , the three anti-divine forces in the form of Avidya, Kama and Karma are the demons. 10) Udyantha ….Asa vaadityo Brahma In this Mantra is the given how the Sandhya should be performed and what is the object of Meditation during the Gayatri Japa. asa vaadity brahma is the kilaka mantra and it should be the bhavana. One should imagine ONENESS with the SUN and HIMSELF whoever is doing the Sandhya. This is the objective of Sandhya Anushtana (brahmai vasan brahmaapyeti ya evam veda) 11) Sandhya Tarpana Tarpana is a ritual that gives a sense of Tripti (Satisfaction) to the Upasya Devata. The 4 mantras are chanted with Tarpayami. Some also do the Navagraha Tarpana alongwith tarpanas to 4 Vedas. During the Gayatri Tarpana, the last one is Nimrujeem Tarpayami. Nimrujee implies one who sweeps and wipes out. It sweeps out our sinful acts. 12) Gayatri Avahana (Invocation of Gaytri) You welcome the Goddess for blessing. 13) Nyasa and Pancha Puja and Mudras Nyasa is placing the Mantra alongwith Upasya Devata on your body thereby your body becomes " mantric " ie., charged with divine currents. These also involve the Mudras (a symbolic gestures with hands). Is this not the concept of Pranic / Reiki? 14) Dhyana This involves Meditation on the form of Gayatri or the Effulgence of the Resplendent Sun. 15) Gayatri Japa Meditation on the Sun by chanting the Gayatri Mantra (a sacred formula) Uttaranga of Sandhya 16) Nyasa, pancha puja and mudras 17) surya upasthana A prayer to the Sun for removal of sins 18) Rishi vandana, Dik namaskaram Prostrations to the Vedic Seers who have handed down this wonderful Upasana (a sort of thanks giving). Prostrations to 8 directions for protection. 19) Gayatri Upasthanam etc……. When you have welcomed somebody, you should also bid him farewell with due respects after the prayers till the next day. 20) Rest of mantras like siva-vishnu abheda and others Achamana Recital of one's gotra and pravara (NOW A DAYS MOST OF THE BRAHMINS DO NOT KNOW EVEN THEIR PRAVAARA PROPERLY) So, this Sandhya Anushtana in a nut shell. The Gayatri should be chanted a minimum of 10 times because it corresponds to the 21600 hamsas (no. of breaths of the individual in 24 hours). The gayatri has 24 letters, 5 faces, 6 directions, 3 padas. So, 24x5x6x3 = 2160. A minimum of 10 times implies 2160 x 10 = 21600. These are the number of breaths which we take (inhale and exhale) in 24 hours. And hence, minimum of 10 are prescribed. But 108 japa is prescribed to wash off the sins for that particular day. SO, DEAR GANESH, THIS SANDHYA UPASANA, IN A NUT SHELL HAS MEDITATION, YOGA, PRANAYAMA TO CATER TO THE NEEDS OF MODERN DAY SPIRITUALISTS. If there is " ANYTHING EXTRA " that is being offered by modern gurus, I am ready to listen to them. Thanks and regards, Sriram Namah savitre…. , " Ghanesh R.S. " <ghanesh.rs wrote: > > Dear members, > These days many brahmin youth who are spiritual find that there is no use in > doing sandi and other ritualistic worship. They seem to be contend with the > fact that only Dhyana, meditation or yoga is enough. Few say jus doing > Gayatri alone is enough or maybe along with pranAyAma. > They dont find any purpose or not convinced with the real purport or > significance of offering arghyas or other rituals involved in sandi and > other forms of worship. Although i disagree to their opinion I request > someone to give a convincing, authoritative and valid justification for the > use and significance of all the ritualistic actions that are performed while > doing Sandhi and other pujas. > > > Thanks & Regs > Ghanesh > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Dear sriram, Thank you so very much for your wonderful and sincere efforts in bringing out the deeper significance and value of our nitya karma. Its really essential that the younger generation need to understand this before shrugging off the rituals and claiming that dhyana or japa is enough with bhakti to win the favor of God. Some also seem to contend that sandhi etc rituals are only for kAmyartha, like askin for this that, purify me, i offer this that etc.. and that what is really needed is jus true bhakti and seva in this kali yuga..simple namasmarana like hare krishna or rama rama is enough to please God with sincere devotion and service to mankind. Many such have attitude and say that doing service to the poor, needy and elderly is more valuable than rituals and puja and eschew nitya karma and even pitru tarpanas and say they compensate these by offering annadAna to poor and helping those in need. Its not very easy convincing these kind of people as they dont have the right attitude or perhaps not the proper and persuading explanation to convince them that such rituals when done along with other acts of service will only bear fruits for the latter else such services are devoid of true merit without nitya karma. But again when we say so they say that they are not looking for any 'fruits'. They do this bcoz of their selfless attitude for service and devotion. I have just moved on without imposing much on the ones who think this way. Maybe you can try to give a better answer to them. Thanks for your great reply again Regs Ghanesh On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 8:07 PM, sriram <sriram_sapthasathiwrote: > Dear ganesh > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 Namaste, " Guru Krupa Vilasam " and " Dialogues with the Guru " are treasurable books where Sringeri Jagadguru Sri Chandrashekhara Bharathi Mahaswamigal speaks extensively about Sandhyavandanam. He says the merits of this are not limited to just the performer, but also the entire world benefits by it. " Sandhyavandanam " is an excellent book with extensive and lucid commentaries along with procedural details by Sringeri Jagadguru Sri Abhinava Vidya Tirtha Mahaswamigal. Another book, containing dialogues in the form of Q & A with Mahasannidhanam is " Elucidating Explanations " . All these books are available in Sringeri Mutt branches. If people are not convinced by the explanations provided in these books, " gatir Govinda kirtanam " Sudarshan sriram <sriram_sapthasathi wrote: Dear ganesh, Namaste. Please bear with me as I reveal some of the harsh truths. The main culprits for such a trend are parents. Because they themselves do not know the importance of vedic rituals, sandhya. With these samskaras in their mind, how do they teach their children the values and morals of life? There are 16 samskaras that gave to be undergone which the parents themselves do not know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 Correction - The book with Q & A is called " Exalting Elucidations " and not elucidating explanations. Sorry for the mistake. Sudarshan sudarshan balasubramanian <sudarshanbalasubramanian wrote: Namaste, " Guru Krupa Vilasam " and " Dialogues with the Guru " are treasurable books where Sringeri Jagadguru Sri Chandrashekhara Bharathi Mahaswamigal speaks extensively about Sandhyavandanam. He says the merits of this are not limited to just the performer, but also the entire world benefits by it. " Sandhyavandanam " is an excellent book with extensive and lucid commentaries along with procedural details by Sringeri Jagadguru Sri Abhinava Vidya Tirtha Mahaswamigal. Another book, containing dialogues in the form of Q & A with Mahasannidhanam is " Elucidating Explanations " . All these books are available in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 Namaskarams. I have a doubt regarding the method of Pranayama. A clarification from you will carry me a long way. What is the procedure for Pranayama? Some say that we must inhale only through left nose (from the start until Om Satyam). Retain for the Savithri and exhale starting from Om Apo... and repeat for 10 times before japam. Others say that the count must be 1:4:2 . I also got a clarification that nothing wrong in both. THe former is Vaidika and the latter, Tantrika. Since Sandhya is a vaidika ritual, should we do the Pranayama according to the former. Thanks in advance Namaskarams Venkat On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 8:07 PM, sriram <sriram_sapthasathiwrote: > Dear ganesh, > > Namaste. > > Please bear with me as I reveal some of the harsh truths. > > The main culprits for such a trend are parents. Because they > themselves do not know the importance of vedic rituals, sandhya. > With these samskaras in their mind, how do they teach their children > the values and morals of life? There are 16 samskaras that gave to > be undergone which the parents themselves do not know. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 Dear ganesh, Chandrasekhara Bharati Mahaswamigal of Sringeri Pita once commented on the persons who bid farewell to sandhya and were practicing nama samkirtana. These are the words of swamigal. If the master asks the a servant to do a certain work, certainly the master would be happy and pleased if the servant performs the ordained task. Without performing the assigned job, if the servant simply chants the master's name, is that sufficient to get the grace of master. Certainly NOT. Similarly, the case with Nitya Karmas that are ordained to us by the Supreme Master of the Universe. If we omit our rituals that were ordinaed by the Master and do the nama samkirtana, certainly it would not please the Supreme Master. So, i think this simple, lucid analogy of the Swamigal is enough to make us think logically about the importance of Sandhya. Moreover, this Sandhya is not only mentioned for 3 varnas. There is also a method of worship of Sandhya for the 4th varna also. Infact every Hindu should worship the Sandhya 3 times. In Ramayana, even Mother Sita worshipped the Sandhya at Ashoka Vana. Now, what is this Sandhya, its tattva, in what mode this Sandhya should be worshipped, it would take a long post which i would post which i would do afterwards when i find time. Ida, Pingala and Raudri are the 3 Nadis that have to be worshipped with Kumbhaka during the Sandhya Kala which only Yogis can do. This sort of worship is prescribed by Jagatguru Dattatreya to the Yogis and this is the Sandhya Upasana. With regards, sriram , " Ghanesh R.S. " <ghanesh.rs wrote: > > Dear sriram, > > Thank you so very much for your wonderful and sincere efforts in bringing > out the deeper significance and value of our nitya karma. Its really > essential that the younger generation need to understand this before > shrugging off the rituals and claiming that dhyana or japa is enough with > bhakti to win the favor of God. Some also seem to contend that sandhi etc > rituals are only for kAmyartha, like askin for this that, purify me, i offer > this that etc.. and that what is really needed is jus true bhakti and seva > in this kali yuga..simple namasmarana like hare krishna or rama rama is > enough to please God with sincere devotion and service to mankind. Many such > have attitude and say that doing service to the poor, needy and elderly is > more valuable than rituals and puja and eschew nitya karma and even pitru > tarpanas and say they compensate these by offering annadAna to poor and > helping those in need. > > Its not very easy convincing these kind of people as they dont have the > right attitude or perhaps not the proper and persuading explanation to > convince them that such rituals when done along with other acts of service > will only bear fruits for the latter else such services are devoid of true > merit without nitya karma. But again when we say so they say that they are > not looking for any 'fruits'. They do this bcoz of their selfless attitude > for service and devotion. I have just moved on without imposing much on the > ones who think this way. Maybe you can try to give a better answer to them. > Thanks for your great reply again > > Regs > Ghanesh > > On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 8:07 PM, sriram <sriram_sapthasathiwrote: > > > Dear ganesh > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 Namaste, As Sriram says, one of the reasons for the " this-is-enough, this-is-not-required " kind of attitude could be due to some neo spiritual masters. Although some of them uphold the Gayathri mantram, they do not pay attention to the Sandhya ritual. Although some of their teachings go against Shastrokta, people are happy to follow them since they do not like to hear the word " Shastra " . It is rather considered to be a taboo word. The voices of those who speak with reference to Shastras are muted in the loudness of the voices of these neo spiritual masters. Recently, I came across an instruction issued by a spiritual master on the timeless svasti vachana " Svasti Prajabhyam... " where followers were asked to recite " samastAh lokAh sukhino bhavantu " instead of the original " lokAh samastAh sukhino bhavantu " . Seems the original meant only the " lokah " we reside in and not the other " lokAh " . Only if they had realised that even in the original rk our maharishis of yore meant all the worlds (lokAh) and not a single world (lokah), as these people seemingly believe!!! " Ghanesh R.S. " <ghanesh.rs wrote: Dear sriram, Thank you so very much for your wonderful and sincere efforts in bringing out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 Sir, you may kindly refer to the book given in my mail - " Sandhyavandanam " . Sri Mahasannidhanam has spoken on this too in that book. If you are still not clarified, you could request Sri Sannidhanam for instructions on this. He will be more than glad to advice you. Venkataraman Rajaraman <venkatswam wrote: Namaskarams. I have a doubt regarding the method of Pranayama. A clarification from you will carry me a long way. What is the procedure for Pranayama? Some say that we must inhale only through left nose (from the start until Om Satyam). Retain for the Savithri and exhale starting from Om Apo... and repeat for 10 times before japam. Others say that the count must be 1:4:2 . I also got a clarification that nothing wrong in both. THe former is Vaidika and the latter, Tantrika. Since Sandhya is a vaidika ritual, should we do the Pranayama according to the former. Thanks in advance Namaskarams Venkat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 Dear venkatraman, If you are comfortable with holding of breath, do it. Otherwise just omit that ritual. Chant the gayatri 3 times as the pranayama wrongly done would disturb the subtle nervous system. Infact, the Gayatri should be chanted 3 times during the Kumbhaka avastha (minimum). Importance is given to Kumbhaka sthiti. And it is this Kumbhaka avastha that revitalises the vital energy. Because, the more kumbhaka, the less no. of breaths. The less breaths, the more prana (vital energy) is preserved. And hence, PrAnA-yAma (control of prana). Normal pranayama is while inhaling through left nostril, 7 vyahritis are chanted. During hold of breath, Gayatri is chanted 3 times and during the exhale with right nostril, om Apo... is chanted. The same is continued with right and again with left. This is 1 cycle. The same should be continued 2 times. So, the pranayama done once is 3 cycle. Like this, wherever the pranayama is prescribed in the sandhya ritual, one should should carry out the similar ritual. So, if the Sandhya vandana ritual carried out in this process, and if done PERFECTLY, WOULD TAKE A MINIMUM OF 1 HOUR. HOW MANY ARE DOING LIKE THIS AND HOW MANY ARE DOING THE TIMELY SANDHYA WITHOUT PRAYASCHITA ARGHYA PRADHANA. So, donot do the prayanama unless you are initiated into that by a good yogacharya who is into gayatri upasana and pranayama. I know one of my friends who landed in trouble by doing Pranayama. His entire nervous system broke down and is getting treated from a Neurologist in Hyderabad. My 2 cents, with regards, sriram , " Venkataraman Rajaraman " <venkatswam wrote: > > Namaskarams. I have a doubt regarding the method of Pranayama. A > clarification from you will carry me a long way. > > What is the procedure for Pranayama? Some say that we must inhale only > through left nose (from the start until Om Satyam). Retain for the Savithri > and exhale starting from Om Apo... and repeat for 10 times before japam. > > Others say that the count must be 1:4:2 . I also got a clarification that > nothing wrong in both. THe former is Vaidika and the latter, Tantrika. > > Since Sandhya is a vaidika ritual, should we do the Pranayama according to > the former. > Thanks in advance > Namaskarams > Venkat > > On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 8:07 PM, sriram <sriram_sapthasathiwrote: > > > Dear ganesh, > > > > Namaste. > > > > Please bear with me as I reveal some of the harsh truths. > > > > The main culprits for such a trend are parents. Because they > > themselves do not know the importance of vedic rituals, sandhya. > > With these samskaras in their mind, how do they teach their children > > the values and morals of life? There are 16 samskaras that gave to > > be undergone which the parents themselves do not know. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 Namaskarams Ji Thank you very much. This is a timely reply and I am very thankful to you. I will perhaps, try to do Pranayama the way you mentioned. I have been longing for this reply ever since I knew what is Pranayama Namaskarams Venkat [The following correction to the above was made later:-Moderators] " Sorry Ji, I meant, i will practice Pranayama if I am initiated by my Guru. Thanks and Namaskarams Venkat " On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:43 AM, sriram <sriram_sapthasathiwrote: > Dear venkatraman, > > If you are comfortable with holding of breath, do it. Otherwise just > omit that ritual. Chant the gayatri 3 times as the pranayama wrongly > done would disturb the subtle nervous system. Infact, the Gayatri > should be chanted 3 times during the Kumbhaka avastha (minimum). > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 Dear Sriram, Thanks a LOT for your profound and authoritative mail. I will get back to you with the feedback of your analogy after sharing the same with my modern friends who might prolly find a better excuse to this analogy Btw is there any prayoga to get back lost things? There are some really pathetic and tragic cases of theft happening consistently. I know anything would require initiation from a Guru. But since I am already an initiate I was wondering if theres anything available the includes and/or besides kArthavIrya. Thanks & Regs Ghanesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 Dear ganesh, If you have Kartaviryarjuna mantra, there is nothing like it. Kartavirya prayoga is done for nashta dravya prapthi. If you are not initiated in that, the best possible solution is Sundarakanda Parayana from Srimad Ramayana. My grandfather used to recite entire sundarakanda everyday without fail. Sundarakanda is a wonderful potent mantra with anjaneya bija mantras. When Ramachandra lost hope of the trace of Sita, it is Shri Anjaneya who found the whereabouts of Goddess Sita in Sundarakanda. Specially the 13th and 27 chapters are wonderful mantras. For bad dreams (duswapnAs) and nashtadravya prapthi, return of lost family members, karyasiddhi and abhicharika prayogas, the Sundarakanda Parayana is prescribed. It is also prescribed for mental peace because it gave mental solace to Ramachandra and Goddess Sita. There are several ways of Sundarakanda Parayana for eg., sapthasarga etc. After the parayana, the Rama Pattabhisheka Chapter should be read and 2 brahmins are to be fed. If possible Rama Pattabhisheka be performed. There is Rama Taraka mantra in Sundarakanda. The sloka " namOstu rAmAya sa lakshmaNAya..... " is the taraka mantra. There is a karya siddhi mantra called " Jaya Panchakam " which starts with " Jayatyati ramO..... " which was uttered by Shri Anjaneya. This jaya panchakam when recited can counter the abhicharika prayogas with the grace of Shri Anjaneya. There are 14 names of Lord Dattatreya which are chanted for Nashta Dravya Prapthi. But if you are initiated in Kartavirya, just proceed. With regards, sriram , " Ghanesh R.S. " <ghanesh.rs wrote: > > Dear Sriram, > > Thanks a LOT for your profound and authoritative mail. I will get back to > you with the feedback of your analogy after sharing the same with my modern > friends who might prolly find a better excuse to this analogy > > Btw is there any prayoga to get back lost things? There are some really > pathetic and tragic cases of theft happening consistently. I know anything > would require initiation from a Guru. But since I am already an initiate I > was wondering if theres anything available the includes and/or besides > kArthavIrya. > > Thanks & Regs > Ghanesh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 Dear ganesh, If you have Kartaviryarjuna mantra, there is nothing like it. Kartavirya prayoga is done for nashta dravya prapthi. If you are not initiated in that, the best possible solution is Sundarakanda Parayana from Srimad Ramayana. My grandfather used to recite entire sundarakanda everyday without fail. Sundarakanda is a wonderful potent mantra with anjaneya bija mantras. When Ramachandra lost hope of the trace of Sita, it is Shri Anjaneya who found the whereabouts of Goddess Sita in Sundarakanda. Specially the 13th and 27 chapters are wonderful mantras. For bad dreams (duswapnAs) and nashtadravya prapthi, return of lost family members, karyasiddhi and abhicharika prayogas, the Sundarakanda Parayana is prescribed. It is also prescribed for mental peace because it gave mental solace to Ramachandra and Goddess Sita. There are several ways of Sundarakanda Parayana for eg., sapthasarga etc. After the parayana, the Rama Pattabhisheka Chapter should be read and 2 brahmins are to be fed. If possible Rama Pattabhisheka be performed. There is Rama Taraka mantra in Sundarakanda. The sloka " namOstu rAmAya sa lakshmaNAya..... " is the taraka mantra. There is a karya siddhi mantra called " Jaya Panchakam " which starts with " Jayatyati ramO..... " which was uttered by Shri Anjaneya. This jaya panchakam when recited can counter the abhicharika prayogas with the grace of Shri Anjaneya. There are 14 names of Lord Dattatreya which are chanted for Nashta Dravya Prapthi. But if you are initiated in Kartavirya, just proceed. With regards, sriram , " Ghanesh R.S. " <ghanesh.rs wrote: > > Dear Sriram, > > Thanks a LOT for your profound and authoritative mail. I will get back to > you with the feedback of your analogy after sharing the same with my modern > friends who might prolly find a better excuse to this analogy > > Btw is there any prayoga to get back lost things? There are some really > pathetic and tragic cases of theft happening consistently. I know anything > would require initiation from a Guru. But since I am already an initiate I > was wondering if theres anything available the includes and/or besides > kArthavIrya. > > Thanks & Regs > Ghanesh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 Dear sriram, Thanks a lot for your suggestions. Im a purnabhisheka dikshita in kAdi sampradya and yes i have been initiated in kArtavIrya mantra. My Guruji had recently transcended into Manidwipa. Ive only been doing the mantra japa. I was wondering if there was a more kshipra phala prayoga of kArtavIrya that can be used for a public benefit. For self jus the mantra parayana would suffice i know but theres a dire need to help someone for a public benefit, so wanted to know if theres any bigger prayoga. Please apprise me in case there's something that can be employed using kArtavIya. Thanks & Regs Ghanesh On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:50 PM, sriram <sriram_sapthasathiwrote: > Dear ganesh, > > If you have Kartaviryarjuna mantra, there is nothing like it. > Kartavirya prayoga is done for nashta dravya prapthi. If you are not > initiated in that, the best possible solution is Sundarakanda > Parayana from Srimad Ramayana. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Dear ganesh, Namaste. Please pardon me. I am not a purna diksha initiate. Since, you are on higher platform than me, i have no right to advice you. BTW, are a disciple of Narayana Shastrigal of chennai. With regards, sriram , " Ghanesh R.S. " <ghanesh.rs wrote: > > Dear sriram, > > Thanks a lot for your suggestions. Im a purnabhisheka dikshita in kAdi > sampradya and yes i have been initiated in kArtavIrya mantra. My Guruji had > recently transcended into Manidwipa. Ive only been doing the mantra japa. I > was wondering if there was a more kshipra phala prayoga of kArtavIrya that > can be used for a public benefit. For self jus the mantra parayana would > suffice i know but theres a dire need to help someone for a public benefit, > so wanted to know if theres any bigger prayoga. Please apprise me in case > there's something that can be employed using kArtavIya. > > Thanks & Regs > Ghanesh > > On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:50 PM, sriram <sriram_sapthasathiwrote: > > > Dear ganesh, > > > > If you have Kartaviryarjuna mantra, there is nothing like it. > > Kartavirya prayoga is done for nashta dravya prapthi. If you are not > > initiated in that, the best possible solution is Sundarakanda > > Parayana from Srimad Ramayana. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Dear Sriramji Namaste I sincerely thank you for giving such a detailed explanations of sandhyavandana. In many occasions, i have seen that sandhyavandana is performed just to show off. I think it is because it was neither taught by their elders who themselves will not be performing the sandhyavandanas / will not take sufficient patience to teach their next generations what and why they have to do all these things. Even during the upanayana time as you are aware people neither bothered about the rituals that are performed / what is being taught. Only thing they see is whether thread with 3 rounds is there on the body or not. In such a case, what as a purohita can teach and as you said in these days who is teaching the perfect pranayama to any vatu who is realy intrested in doing it. Even in so called mathas (who are staying in) also perform just a process and no importance either in mind or in the breath or in the meaning. By looking in to all these things I personally feel the so called what you said as mordern gurus are teaching the proper breathing there by giving importance to breath. According to me when you give importance to breath, your mind and emotions come to your control that is what is required. I am not of the opinion that you should not perform sandhyavandana but there is nothing wrong in following mordern gurus for learning pranayama and implementing them in your daily nityakarma. If a good thing is there it should be accepted and to be implemented. One more thing i would like to bring to your kind notice that why only brahmins should do nitya karma. Even shudras when done nitya karma they will be raised to the level of brahma (a word by sri shankaracharya) says that even a chandala when speaks about brahma tatva he should be respected. Our society does not provide any of such provisions. This is the reason due to which mordern gurus like His Holyness Sri Sri Ravishankarji are teaching nitya karma (without more mantras and mudras which are of advanced stages) just by pranayama and sudarshanka kriya to each and every one on this earth. If there is any thing wrong / any comments, I accept with great respect and correct my self to the extent possible. Thank you all members Subramanya sriram <sriram_sapthasathi Monday, 22 September, 2008 8:07:00 PM Re: Can someone give a convincing & authoritative justification for rituals?? Dear ganesh, Namaste. Please bear with me as I reveal some of the harsh truths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Dear subramanya, Namaste. You are partly right. You have rightly pointed out that our nityakarma have more or less become a show off among the brahmin families. Upanayana and marriage is just a gathering for them for chatting and buffets. But there are sincere practitioners who are still doing the sandhya sincerely without fail alongwith perfect pranayama ie., sandhya WITHOUT PRAYASCHITA. My paramaguru's son offers the arghya (which is the important anga in sandhya) during the sunrise, noon and sunset. For sandhya, the time of sunrise, sunset is most important (the time is bahu sukshma). During this time, the path of sushumna is free from obstacles. My gurunatha performed trikala sandhya without prayashita without fail till his life time. We have to follow the footsteps of these people and such persons are our ideal. Now that you have mentioned the vidyarthis in the mutts, it depends upon the chitta vrittis of the students. I have seen both the types of vedic students in Sringeri. The students who are interested ONLY IN CRICKET COMMENTARY & SCORES, WATCHING TV SERIALS, SWIMMING IN TUNGA RIVER and the students who are INTROVERT, PERFORMING THEIR NITYA KARMA AND VEDA ADHYAYANA, SASTRA CHARCHA WITH SWAMIGAL. So, the Swamiji personally takes care of the second category. I can name some of the vidyarthis whom i have personally met but this is not the forum for such things. So, these 2nd category students perform their nitya karma, pranayama under the supervision of swamiji. As regards the Sandhya to 4th varna, there IS ALSO SANDHYA ANUSHTANA TO SHUDRAS AND THERE IS ALSO THE GAYATRI JAPA PRESCRIBED FOR THEM. I THINK I HAVE MENTIONED THIS IN MY EARLIER POST. EVERY HINDU SHOULD PERFORM SANDHYA. As regards the Yogacharyas, i think i need not mention the names who move in lancer cars, stay in star hotels, charge " packages " for teaching yogas. Some of the yogacharyas whom our family is associated donot charge a single pie. ABSOLUTELY FREE OF COST. Couple of them are Shri BKS Iyengar and Shri Suri Raghava Dikshitulu (he is no more). My brother learnt Surya Namaskar, Neti & Dhauti Kriyas under Dikshitulu at Gandhi Gyan Mandir in Hyderabad. Day before night, National DD Network telecat the interview of Shri BKS Iyengar who was interviewed by Mr. Vijay Malhotra. What an unassuming person he is! In Sringeri, also, there are wonderful yogacharyas who practice yoga, asanas, mudras and kriyas who are very sobre and wonderful personalities who are accessible to all (absolutely free of cost). Moreover, there is a specific diet control to practice pranayama, if not maintained properly, would prove dangerous. BTW, i am not against any modern gurus. With regards, sriram , subramanya h c <subba_mce wrote: > > Dear Sriramji > > Namaste > > I sincerely thank you for giving such a detailed explanations of sandhyavandana. > > In many occasions, i have seen that sandhyavandana is performed just to show off. I think it is because it was neither taught by their elders who themselves will not be performing the sandhyavandanas / will not take sufficient patience to teach their next generations what and why they have to do all these things. Even during the upanayana time as you are aware people neither bothered about the rituals that are performed / what is being taught. Only thing they see is whether thread with 3 rounds is there on the body or not. In such a case, what as a purohita can teach and as you said in these days who is teaching the perfect pranayama to any vatu who is realy intrested in doing it. Even in so called mathas (who are staying in) also perform just a process and no importance either in mind or in the breath or in the meaning. > > By looking in to all these things I personally feel the so called what you said as mordern gurus are teaching the proper breathing there by giving importance to breath. > > According to me when you give importance to breath, your mind and emotions come to your control that is what is required. I am not of the opinion that you should not perform sandhyavandana but there is nothing wrong in following mordern gurus for learning pranayama and implementing them in your daily nityakarma. If a good thing is there it should be accepted and to be implemented. > > One more thing i would like to bring to your kind notice that why only brahmins should do nitya karma. Even shudras when done nitya karma they will be raised to the level of brahma (a word by sri shankaracharya) says that even a chandala when speaks about brahma tatva he should be respected. Our society does not provide any of such provisions. This is the reason due to which mordern gurus like His Holyness Sri Sri Ravishankarji are teaching nitya karma (without more mantras and mudras which are of advanced stages) just by pranayama and sudarshanka kriya to each and every one on this earth. > > If there is any thing wrong / any comments, I accept with great respect and correct my self to the extent possible. > > Thank you all members > > Subramanya > > > > > > > sriram <sriram_sapthasathi > > Monday, 22 September, 2008 8:07:00 PM > Re: Can someone give a convincing & authoritative justification for rituals?? > > > Dear ganesh, > > Namaste. > > Please bear with me as I reveal some of the harsh truths. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 It may be true that some perform Sandhyavandana for show-off, but for that sake at least they perform it, which is commendable. Performance is anytime better than nonperformance. Moreover, it also needs to be understood that, although important, Pranayama is another anga of Sandhyavandana. The other important aspects of Sandhyavandana like Gayathri japam and arghya pradanam should not be ignored in the deal. What is the use of a controlled mind that does not pursue further towards Atma sakshatkara? If our Maharshis and mantradrushtas felt that pranayama alone was more important than the mantras, then they would have not given us the mantras at all. People mostly flock to gurus to learn breathing techniques to get rid of their stressful life and for health benefits, but how many of them will assemble when the guru speaks about Vedanta. [There seems to be some assumption that attending vedAnta lectures is somehow greater/meritorius than pursuing worldly or spiritual benefits -Why cant they be seen as two different interests rather than project vedAnta as something greater? - Satish] subramanya h c <subba_mce wrote: Dear Sriramji Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Dear sir,  I welcome your comment, but as I have seen in art of living, where there will be silence in advance course and only meditation and also only lectures of vedanta and also several others vedanta topics like astavakra geetha, sivasutra, patanjali yogasutra ... innumerous persons attend and participate and practice whole over the world. That is the reason why I am more associated with art of living (Sri Sri. ravishankarji).  Thanks for your comments. Is it enough only by giving arghya at 3 sandyas is enough to practice sandhayavandana.  THere is much more, As you have rightly pointed out we need to practice pranayama during sandhya vandana. If any body is doing it, it is good. It should be extended to the other people who are in the society. Are we doing it. NO we are not. Let some body is doing it. They are extending our culture. Let us appriciate it.  In case it is hurted you, I am sorry. I feel this is also a face of truth.  Thank to all members with sincere pranamas to you specially sir,  Subramanay sudarshan balasubramanian <sudarshanbalasubramanian Wednesday, 24 September, 2008 3:55:26 PM Re: Re: Can someone give a convincing & authoritative justification for rituals?? It may be true that some perform Sandhyavandana for show-off, but for that sake at least they perform it, which is commendable. Performance is anytime better than nonperformance. Moreover, it also needs to be understood that, although important, Pranayama is another anga of Sandhyavandana. The other important aspects of Sandhyavandana like Gayathri japam and arghya pradanam should not be ignored in the deal. What is the use of a controlled mind that does not pursue further towards Atma sakshatkara? If our Maharshis and mantradrushtas felt that pranayama alone was more important than the mantras, then they would have not given us the mantras at all. People mostly flock to gurus to learn breathing techniques to get rid of their stressful life and for health benefits, but how many of them will assemble when the guru speaks about Vedanta. [There seems to be some assumption that attending vedAnta lectures is somehow greater/meritorius than pursuing worldly or spiritual benefits -Why cant they be seen as two different interests rather than project vedAnta as something greater? - Satish] subramanya h c <subba_mce (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Sriramji Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Go to http://in.webmessenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 Dear Sriramji Namaste Going through your post I felt utmost joy seeing so many like minded people. We got small bunch of people here who are spreading the practice of sandhyavandana. WE FEEL THAT WE SHOULD TAKE RESPONSIBILITY IN DOING SO BECAUSE THE COMING GENERATIONS MAY NOT EVEN BE AWARE OF THIS GREATEST SADHANA AND WE ARE TO BE BLAMED THEN FOR NOT PASSING THE PRACTICE. Culprits may be a very harsh word for the parents off course I am with you for pointing a finger towards them for not having sincerity towards our rituals and practices. , " sriram " <sriram_sapthasathi wrote: > > Dear ganesh, > > Namaste. > > Please bear with me as I reveal some of the harsh truths. > > The main culprits for such a trend are parents. Because they > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 Dear Brother Namaste Nowadays every one is talking about meditation not even dhyana we have our own terminology(dhyana) why not use it and dhyana is much more broader than meditation . As our friends already mentioned about sandhya vandana it consists japa and my brother JAPA IS ALSO CALLED AS MANTRA SAHITA DHYANA OR MEDITATION Sri Sri Ravi Shankarji himself quoted sadhana are Complimentary and speaking in your perspective After Advanced course there are some more courses also and one is supposed to do the basic sadhana the advanced course (dhyana) and then chant the mantra (taking it as another course where a mantra will be given) and GAYATRI MANTRA IS THE GREATEST MANTRA IN THE UNIVERSE and the best fruits can be obtained by doing it through the systematic procedure of Sandhya Vandana. For wonderful experience sake do your AOL pranayama and perform sandhya vandana (if one is eligible) and EXPERIENCE THE GREAT JOY OF MOTHER GAYATRI namaste Diwakar , subramanya h c <subba_mce wrote: > > Dear sir, >  > I welcome your comment, but as I have seen in art of living, where there will be silence in advance course and only meditation and also only lectures of vedanta and also several others vedanta topics like astavakra geetha, sivasutra, patanjali yogasutra ... innumerous persons attend and participate and practice whole over the world. That is the reason why I am more associated with art of living (Sri Sri. ravishankarji). >  > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 It is sad that Gurus are prescribing stages for giving them the Reality, because they want to bind them without leaving them. If a Guru cannot give the totality of the absolute reality in one go - whether the sishya is able to get the experience immediately or later on by stages - such Guru is absolutely useless. Like a President of a country is elected, eventhough he has no experiene whatsoever of that office, still after election, he discharges such duties. Similarly the Guru, if he is capable enough, he confers the highest condition on the sishya and the sishya by dint of his association with the Guru's athma and the lineage of gurus (Guru mandalam), he progresses stage by stage. Of course at every stage the Guru has always an eye on the sishya for his progress. S.SHANGARANARAYANAN : diwakarvlg: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:05:10 +0000 Re: Can someone give a convincing & authoritative justification for rituals?? Dear BrotherNamasteNowadays every one is talking about meditation not even dhyana we haveour own terminology(dhyana) why not use it and dhyana is much morebroader than meditation . As our friends already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 shri gurubhyo namaH shri mahAgaNapataye namaH I have heard that in our busy lives nowadays, with duties to employer, family and others, that it is permissible to perform mAdhyAknikam immediately after prAtaHsandhyA. Comments ? shri mAtre namaH - Diwakar N.V.L.G Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:32 AM Re: Can someone give a convincing & authoritative justification for rituals?? Dear Sriramji Namaste Going through your post I felt utmost joy seeing so many like minded people. We got small bunch of people here who are spreading the practice of sandhyavandana. WE FEEL THAT WE SHOULD TAKE RESPONSIBILITY IN DOING SO BECAUSE THE COMING GENERATIONS MAY NOT EVEN BE AWARE OF THIS GREATEST SADHANA AND WE ARE TO BE BLAMED THEN FOR NOT PASSING THE PRACTICE. Culprits may be a very harsh word for the parents off course I am with you for pointing a finger towards them for not having sincerity towards our rituals and practices. , " sriram " <sriram_sapthasathi wrote: > > Dear ganesh, > > Namaste. > > Please bear with me as I reveal some of the harsh truths. > > The main culprits for such a trend are parents. Because they > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 Namaste, Kumar-ji, you are correct. This has been advised by no less a person than Sringeri Jagadguru Sri Abhinava Vidya Tirtha Mahaswamigal. I quote below from " Exalting Elucidations " published by Sri Vidya Tirtha Foundation, Chennai. Devotee: The necessity of attending school, college office etc., often precludes the performance of madhyahnika at the proper time. When, then, should it be done? ACHARYAL: Madhyahnika can be performed after the morning sandhyavandana itself. This is in case there is no other option. So, here we have the reply from the most authoritative person on scriptural injunctions. There are some more answers provided by Mahasannidhanam on this subject. If members desire, I will be glad to provide them here. Regards, Sudarshan Kumar Ramachandran <kramach wrote: shri gurubhyo namaH shri mahAgaNapataye namaH I have heard that in our busy lives nowadays, with duties to employer, family and others, that it is permissible to perform mAdhyAknikam immediately after prAtaHsandhyA. Comments ? shri mAtre namaH - Diwakar N.V.L.G Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:32 AM Re: Can someone give a convincing & authoritative justification for rituals?? Dear Sriramji Namaste Going through your post I felt utmost joy seeing so many like minded people. We got small bunch of people here who are spreading the practice of sandhyavandana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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