used cd's

[Guest guest]

I am willing to purchase used CD's or even burned copies (that's ok if I buy

them right?) of Matamundhir Singh and Snatum Kaur (Feeling Good Today) My

daughter REALLY NEEDS IT! We checked it out at the library, but really need our

own.

 

If you have an extra copy please let me know.

I'd like to purchase other used cds by 3ho musicians to sell online- a new

business venture? Any feedback?

 

thanks

[Guest guest]

Sat Nam everyone,As a musician I have to say that no, it is not all right to burn CDs and sell them - or buy a burned CD from someone else. There are many fine 3HO musicians who are working hard to provide music for the family and the planet. This takes a lot of time and money, not to mention hard work and talent. None of these artists is making lots of money on recording and producing CDs. So please support our musicians by buying the CDs from a legitimate source so they can get royalties, or from the artist directly if possible. And please do not burn copies to give to your friends. If they like the music, they can buy it too. Thank you! Sahib-Amar Kaur I am willing to purchase used CD's or even burned copies (that's ok if I buy them right?) of Matamundhir Singh and Snatum Kaur (Feeling Good Today) My daughter REALLY NEEDS IT! We checked it out at the library, but really need our own. If you have an extra copy please let me know. I'd like to purchase other used cds by 3ho musicians to sell online- a new business venture? Any feedback? thanks

[Guest guest]

Thank you for this post! I have been dealing with the same issue with some of my

ballet and yoga students. As a dancer, I know first hand how painful it is when

people help themselves to free copies of your work. Many artists struggle to buy

food and pay their rent. Their work is just as valuable as everyone else's!

Nobody wants to work for free. I love to buy the KY CDs and feel the same way

about ballet music CDs. I'm surprised how many people routinely " make copies " as

a " favor " for their friends. It's heartbreaking to the artist.

 

SatpalKaur

[Guest guest]

Sat Nam, Harpal Kaur -

While I respect your point of view (and that of Sahib-Amar Singh), there is also

another legitimate point of view here, that does not involve " stealing " what

someone reasonably wants to sell in compensation for their work.

 

You said, " Nobody wants to work for free. " That's not exactly a true statement.

 

Many of us want to work " for free. " It's called Seva. In fact, Sikhs do not

have a priestly professional class doing spiritual work as a salaried

profession, because it is the responsibility of anyone who self-selects to serve

the Guru and the Gathering to have first practiced the three requirement to be

Sikh: do Sadhana, work and create your own prosperity, and then GIVE your own

earned surplus to the entire community. Many artists prefer, even desire, to

give their art as an act of uplift and generosity. If others want to sell their

work, that's their choice and that's no problem. But working for free is

another key aspect of our teachings, BANI (including the music of GurBani

Kirtan), Bana, Simran and SEVA.

 

It is best to be clear about the boundaries of commerce when discussing how to

distribute spiritual teachings and music. It's not a one way system, we have to

acknowledge that many great artists are not seeking personal financial reward.

Perhaps it is an additional sign of their greatness that they have found, by

divine grace, the wherewithal to be more generous than that. It's very similar

to the Open Source software movement, in contrast to the " software piracy "

conceptual campaign that Bill Gates and others propagated starting around 1983,

as his $ billions were not yet in the bag after he had purchased rights to a

" freeware " version of the CP/M operating system:

 

" The " Microsoft Disk Operating System " or MS-DOS was based on QDOS, the " Quick

and Dirty Operating System " written by Tim Paterson of Seattle Computer

Products... QDOS was different enough from CP/M to be considered legal.

Microsoft bought the rights to QDOS for $50,000, keeping the IBM deal a secret

from Seattle Computer Products. "

see: http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa033099.htm

 

So Bill Gates, an inventor of the term " Software Piracy, " paid $50 thousand in a

secret deal to resell Tim Paterson's work for a personal fortune of $50 billion.

He made one million times the amount he paid Paterson. Is that not normal

commerce at work? Was that not also piracy, and dishonest?

 

It is also true that Open Source Linux software, that anyone can download " for

free, " also has run the " Apache Servers " on which the Internet was based, and

still is a backbone of the World Wide Web. You benefit from highly skilled and

deeply inspired " software artists, " who gave " for free, " every time you Log On

to this .

 

Let us please be clear that there are other legitimate points of view, and good

reasons for choosing them, rather than make one sided claims that " art for sale "

is the only game in town.

 

Many of us prefer Seva to sales.

 

Respectfully,

Krishna Singh

 

Kundalini-Yoga , " awakenedsoul2001 " <balletstef

wrote:

>

>

>

> Thank you for this post! I have been dealing with the same issue with some of

my ballet and yoga students. As a dancer, I know first hand how painful it is

when people help themselves to free copies of your work. Many artists struggle

to buy food and pay their rent. Their work is just as valuable as everyone

else's! Nobody wants to work for free. I love to buy the KY CDs and feel the

same way about ballet music CDs. I'm surprised how many people routinely " make

copies " as a " favor " for their friends. It's heartbreaking to the artist.

>

> SatpalKaur

>

[Guest guest]

So, here's the deal. When I was like 10 years old I recorded music off the

radio and made mix tapes ALL THE TIME. I didn't sell them, I just listened to

them. I don't want to sell Snatum's or anyone else's CD, I want to listen to

them.

 

Having said that, 1) I appreciate that alot of Gurbani is free at Mr.

Sikhnet.com and Sikhnet.com

 

2) The one's I NEED are not--and right now I cannot afford $20 for the CD.

 

3) Although, I don't agree with the law, my plan is to abide by it by offering

to purchase a used CD. Like a used book store, used record stores and media

stores in our area legally sell and purchase music. Alas, I have not found my

favorites there.

 

thanks again, and I'll think about opening a used media center for yogis.

 

 

Kundalini-Yoga , " sevaplace01 " <krishna wrote:

>

> Sat Nam, Harpal Kaur -

> While I respect your point of view (and that of Sahib-Amar Singh), there is

also another legitimate point of view here, that does not involve " stealing "

what someone reasonably wants to sell in compensation for their work.

>

> You said, " Nobody wants to work for free. " That's not exactly a true

statement.

>

> Many of us want to work " for free. " It's called Seva. In fact, Sikhs do not

have a priestly professional class doing spiritual work as a salaried

profession, because it is the responsibility of anyone who self-selects to serve

the Guru and the Gathering to have first practiced the three requirement to be

Sikh: do Sadhana, work and create your own prosperity, and then GIVE your own

earned surplus to the entire community. Many artists prefer, even desire, to

give their art as an act of uplift and generosity. If others want to sell their

work, that's their choice and that's no problem. But working for free is

another key aspect of our teachings, BANI (including the music of GurBani

Kirtan), Bana, Simran and SEVA.

>

> It is best to be clear about the boundaries of commerce when discussing how to

distribute spiritual teachings and music. It's not a one way system, we have to

acknowledge that many great artists are not seeking personal financial reward.

Perhaps it is an additional sign of their greatness that they have found, by

divine grace, the wherewithal to be more generous than that. It's very similar

to the Open Source software movement, in contrast to the " software piracy "

conceptual campaign that Bill Gates and others propagated starting around 1983,

as his $ billions were not yet in the bag after he had purchased rights to a

" freeware " version of the CP/M operating system:

>

> " The " Microsoft Disk Operating System " or MS-DOS was based on QDOS, the " Quick

and Dirty Operating System " written by Tim Paterson of Seattle Computer

Products... QDOS was different enough from CP/M to be considered legal.

Microsoft bought the rights to QDOS for $50,000, keeping the IBM deal a secret

from Seattle Computer Products. "

> see: http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa033099.htm

>

> So Bill Gates, an inventor of the term " Software Piracy, " paid $50 thousand in

a secret deal to resell Tim Paterson's work for a personal fortune of $50

billion. He made one million times the amount he paid Paterson. Is that not

normal commerce at work? Was that not also piracy, and dishonest?

>

> It is also true that Open Source Linux software, that anyone can download " for

free, " also has run the " Apache Servers " on which the Internet was based, and

still is a backbone of the World Wide Web. You benefit from highly skilled and

deeply inspired " software artists, " who gave " for free, " every time you Log On

to this .

>

> Let us please be clear that there are other legitimate points of view, and

good reasons for choosing them, rather than make one sided claims that " art for

sale " is the only game in town.

>

> Many of us prefer Seva to sales.

>

> Respectfully,

> Krishna Singh

>

> Kundalini-Yoga , " awakenedsoul2001 " <balletstef@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Thank you for this post! I have been dealing with the same issue with some

of my ballet and yoga students. As a dancer, I know first hand how painful it is

when people help themselves to free copies of your work. Many artists struggle

to buy food and pay their rent. Their work is just as valuable as everyone

else's! Nobody wants to work for free. I love to buy the KY CDs and feel the

same way about ballet music CDs. I'm surprised how many people routinely " make

copies " as a " favor " for their friends. It's heartbreaking to the artist.

> >

> > SatpalKaur

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sat Nam: Side Note,

 

What's nice is that now at Spirit Voyage you can purchase and download

individual MP3 tracks for meditations, mantras or just for listening as you

prefer, instead of purchasing the whole album - for as little as $.99 to $3.99

per track.

 

This is helpful when you are on a budget and just need one track for a class, or

are not a fan of the entire album.

 

FS

[Guest guest]

Dear J Renee, Sat Nam -

You can purchase Snatam Kaur's music and probably most of the music you want for

99 cents a track at Spirit Voyage dot com. For a few cents a week you can build

a beautiful library of meditation and healing music. It might take a little

more time, but this is musical experience that never grows old or out of date.

I've been doing this for years.

 

I emailed Spirit Voyage a few months ago, suggesting that they make gift

purchases possible, so I could send a healing client a particularly meaningful

track, on a particular day, as a " gift card " for only 99 cents. I never

received a response to this suggestion. They could also have personal " wish

lists " for gifting of music from friends. There are many ways around the

limitations of not having enough money.

 

Blessings,

Krishna Singh

 

Kundalini-Yoga , " jreneeworks " <jreneeworks wrote:

>

>

> So, here's the deal. When I was like 10 years old I recorded music off the

radio and made mix tapes ALL THE TIME. I didn't sell them, I just listened to

them. I don't want to sell Snatum's or anyone else's CD, I want to listen to

them.

>

> Having said that, 1) I appreciate that alot of Gurbani is free at Mr.

Sikhnet.com and Sikhnet.com

>

> 2) The one's I NEED are not--and right now I cannot afford $20 for the CD.

>

> 3) Although, I don't agree with the law, my plan is to abide by it by offering

to purchase a used CD. Like a used book store, used record stores and media

stores in our area legally sell and purchase music. Alas, I have not found my

favorites there.

>

> thanks again, and I'll think about opening a used media center for yogis.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sat Nam,

In response to the couple of posts I saw today about music being

sold, given/shared, or stolen, there's some obvious logic involved in

determining what to call our choices. Both legally and morally, the

choice whether to sell or give copies/downloads as a seva rests with

the artist whose property the CD is. If we decide ourselves that an

artist will be " giving/sharing " their music with us, without actually

asking their permission, we are not only depriving them of a sale -

but of the opportunity to give. So, let's have the honesty to call a

spade a spade and own our choices.

Harbhajan Kaur

[Guest guest]

Yes, there are many points of view and seva is a very

important part of life. However, it’s another matter altogether when one’s

liveliehood depends on CD sales and royalties. My wife (Sahib-Amar

Kaur) and I have been doing musical seva for most of our lives – we’ve

also been fortunate to sometimes be paid for our musical services. However, we

don’t depend on music to support ourselves like artists such as Snatam

Kaur, Deva Premal, Sat Kartar Kaur, et

al. These people are not getting rich doing what they do and deserve all the

support they can get. That includes paying for their CD’s so they can

continue to make more of them and continue to uplift people by sharing their

music through their tours.

 

So yes, seva is important but it should be voluntary. If you

feel that burning a few CD’s for your friends is okay, then out of

respect for the artist, contact them and see how they feel about it. Burning CD’s

and selling them is called pirating and it’s illegal.

 

Amar Singh

[Guest guest]

Is it OK then to borrow a copy of a yoga manual and take it to Kinko's and copy

the entire manual (not just one yoga set) and use it to teach yoga classes? Or

make multiple copies and sell them to your yoga students? That would, in my

mind, be the equivalent of burning CDs and selling them. Duplicating copyrighted

material that is for sale is slightly different than the question of

intellectual property and plagiarism, as with the software example. I was not

objecting to reselling used CDs - but to burning (copying) CDs and reselling

them without license or permission to do so.

 

Sat Nam,

 

Sahib-Amar Kaur

 

Kundalini-Yoga , " jreneeworks " <jreneeworks wrote:

>

>

> So, here's the deal. When I was like 10 years old I recorded music off the

radio and made mix tapes ALL THE TIME. I didn't sell them, I just listened to

them. I don't want to sell Snatum's or anyone else's CD, I want to listen to

them.

>

> Having said that, 1) I appreciate that alot of Gurbani is free at Mr.

Sikhnet.com and Sikhnet.com

>

> 2) The one's I NEED are not--and right now I cannot afford $20 for the CD.

>

> 3) Although, I don't agree with the law, my plan is to abide by it by offering

to purchase a used CD. Like a used book store, used record stores and media

stores in our area legally sell and purchase music. Alas, I have not found my

favorites there.

>

> thanks again, and I'll think about opening a used media center for yogis.

>

[Guest guest]

<<If we decide ourselves that an artist will be " giving/sharing " their music

with us, without actually asking their permission, we are not only depriving

them of a sale, but of the opportunity to give.>>

 

Absolutely! The karmic implications of " stealing " are huge, and many do not

recognize that illegal downloading is a form of theft. If you steal, you can

expect to be stolen from, and that prosperity you desire will only be more

illusive, for reasons you choose not to see.

[Guest guest]

The " The Yoga of Sound " CD's brought me to Kundalini Yoga practice. at The

Culver City YMCA I was introduced to Kundalini Yoga in 2002 and when I asked

about the music, I was told to check out Yoga West. I did, and made a bunch of

purchases practiced some SEVA ( distributing YOGI TIMES magazine--i think) and

got a 6 class card. Then I took a teacher training with Gurutej! I miss her and

all the great music we practiced with.

 

I really believe it's a shame that sharing music is now a crime. I am also an

artist and although I can be possesive about my work, once someone purchases a

painting, it is out of my hands. They can photograph it, give it to their

kids--get prints made whatever. I never ask them about it after that. I also

know that if I couldn't have made mix tapes with the Police, Prince and Crosby

Still and Nash songs, I might not be here.

 

I'm not trying to bilk musicians and I think that the majority of people who

copy music just want to hear good music. I am again thankful for Sikhnet for

offering some free songs, and to some secular bands for sharing songs and

allowing fans to record their concerts.

 

Based on this long discussion on music I feel like my spiritual name (Surinder

Kaur)is calling me to produce music of my own. Although I feel that the songs I

need work best with performers who understand gurbani and ragas, I can't go on

without it. Yes, I will finally purchase what I need when I can afford it, but

still, it will be a good exercise for my spiritual growth.

 

You will know when I release the CD, because I will offer it on a common

copyright license. I don't know Gurbani, but there is a local Gudwara here in

Indiana. Look for before 2011!

 

Love and thanks.

Surinder Kaur

 

 

Kundalini-Yoga , " jreneeworks " <jreneeworks wrote:

>

>

> So, here's the deal. When I was like 10 years old I recorded music off the

radio and made mix tapes ALL THE TIME. I didn't sell them, I just listened to

them. I don't want to sell Snatum's or anyone else's CD, I want to listen to

them.

>

> Having said that, 1) I appreciate that alot of Gurbani is free at Mr.

Sikhnet.com and Sikhnet.com

>

> 2) The one's I NEED are not--and right now I cannot afford $20 for the CD.

>

> 3) Although, I don't agree with the law, my plan is to abide by it by offering

to purchase a used CD. Like a used book store, used record stores and media

stores in our area legally sell and purchase music. Alas, I have not found my

favorites there.

>

> thanks again, and I'll think about opening a used media center for yogis.

>

>

> Kundalini-Yoga , " sevaplace01 " <krishna@> wrote:

> >

> > Sat Nam, Harpal Kaur -

> > While I respect your point of view (and that of Sahib-Amar Singh), there is

also another legitimate point of view here, that does not involve " stealing "

what someone reasonably wants to sell in compensation for their work.

> >

> > You said, " Nobody wants to work for free. " That's not exactly a true

statement.

> >

> > Many of us want to work " for free. " It's called Seva. In fact, Sikhs do

not have a priestly professional class doing spiritual work as a salaried

profession, because it is the responsibility of anyone who self-selects to serve

the Guru and the Gathering to have first practiced the three requirement to be

Sikh: do Sadhana, work and create your own prosperity, and then GIVE your own

earned surplus to the entire community. Many artists prefer, even desire, to

give their art as an act of uplift and generosity. If others want to sell their

work, that's their choice and that's no problem. But working for free is

another key aspect of our teachings, BANI (including the music of GurBani

Kirtan), Bana, Simran and SEVA.

> >

> > It is best to be clear about the boundaries of commerce when discussing how

to distribute spiritual teachings and music. It's not a one way system, we have

to acknowledge that many great artists are not seeking personal financial

reward. Perhaps it is an additional sign of their greatness that they have

found, by divine grace, the wherewithal to be more generous than that. It's

very similar to the Open Source software movement, in contrast to the " software

piracy " conceptual campaign that Bill Gates and others propagated starting

around 1983, as his $ billions were not yet in the bag after he had purchased

rights to a " freeware " version of the CP/M operating system:

> >

> > " The " Microsoft Disk Operating System " or MS-DOS was based on QDOS, the

" Quick and Dirty Operating System " written by Tim Paterson of Seattle Computer

Products... QDOS was different enough from CP/M to be considered legal.

Microsoft bought the rights to QDOS for $50,000, keeping the IBM deal a secret

from Seattle Computer Products. "

> > see: http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa033099.htm

> >

> > So Bill Gates, an inventor of the term " Software Piracy, " paid $50 thousand

in a secret deal to resell Tim Paterson's work for a personal fortune of $50

billion. He made one million times the amount he paid Paterson. Is that not

normal commerce at work? Was that not also piracy, and dishonest?

> >

> > It is also true that Open Source Linux software, that anyone can download

" for free, " also has run the " Apache Servers " on which the Internet was based,

and still is a backbone of the World Wide Web. You benefit from highly skilled

and deeply inspired " software artists, " who gave " for free, " every time you Log

On to this .

> >

> > Let us please be clear that there are other legitimate points of view, and

good reasons for choosing them, rather than make one sided claims that " art for

sale " is the only game in town.

> >

> > Many of us prefer Seva to sales.

> >

> > Respectfully,

> > Krishna Singh

> >

> > Kundalini-Yoga , " awakenedsoul2001 " <balletstef@>

wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Thank you for this post! I have been dealing with the same issue with some

of my ballet and yoga students. As a dancer, I know first hand how painful it is

when people help themselves to free copies of your work. Many artists struggle

to buy food and pay their rent. Their work is just as valuable as everyone

else's! Nobody wants to work for free. I love to buy the KY CDs and feel the

same way about ballet music CDs. I'm surprised how many people routinely " make

copies " as a " favor " for their friends. It's heartbreaking to the artist.

> > >

> > > SatpalKaur

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Satnam,

 

This thread has been interesting to us at Spirit Voyage. I would like to thank

you all from this forum for the kind support of Spirit Voyage and the artists we

work with.

 

I was reflecting with Hans Christian, the producer of Gurunam's next album, how

the music business has collapsed. He was commenting on how lucky we are, and

this community is, to be able to publish music at a high level of quality.

 

If you look at every other yoga community, there is little that compares to

3ho's level of musicianship, production and professionalism. The music that we

have in the 3ho community and in kundalini yoga, is one of our strongest

contributions to the world.

 

This is largely because people pay for it and an industry could be built to

support it.

 

 

Hargobind

www.spiritvoyage.com

 

 

Kundalini-Yoga , " jreneeworks " <jreneeworks wrote:

>

> The " The Yoga of Sound " CD's brought me to Kundalini Yoga practice. at The

Culver City YMCA I was introduced to Kundalini Yoga in 2002 and when I asked

about the music, I was told to check out Yoga West. I did, and made a bunch of

purchases practiced some SEVA ( distributing YOGI TIMES magazine--i think) and

got a 6 class card. Then I took a teacher training with Gurutej! I miss her and

all the great music we practiced with.

>

> I really believe it's a shame that sharing music is now a crime. I am also an

artist and although I can be possesive about my work, once someone purchases a

painting, it is out of my hands. They can photograph it, give it to their

kids--get prints made whatever. I never ask them about it after that. I also

know that if I couldn't have made mix tapes with the Police, Prince and Crosby

Still and Nash songs, I might not be here.

>

> I'm not trying to bilk musicians and I think that the majority of people who

copy music just want to hear good music. I am again thankful for Sikhnet for

offering some free songs, and to some secular bands for sharing songs and

allowing fans to record their concerts.

>

> Based on this long discussion on music I feel like my spiritual name (Surinder

Kaur)is calling me to produce music of my own. Although I feel that the songs I

need work best with performers who understand gurbani and ragas, I can't go on

without it. Yes, I will finally purchase what I need when I can afford it, but

still, it will be a good exercise for my spiritual growth.

>

> You will know when I release the CD, because I will offer it on a common

copyright license. I don't know Gurbani, but there is a local Gudwara here in

Indiana. Look for before 2011!

>

> Love and thanks.

> Surinder Kaur

>

>

> Kundalini-Yoga , " jreneeworks " <jreneeworks@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > So, here's the deal. When I was like 10 years old I recorded music off the

radio and made mix tapes ALL THE TIME. I didn't sell them, I just listened to

them. I don't want to sell Snatum's or anyone else's CD, I want to listen to

them.

> >

> > Having said that, 1) I appreciate that alot of Gurbani is free at Mr.

Sikhnet.com and Sikhnet.com

> >

> > 2) The one's I NEED are not--and right now I cannot afford $20 for the CD.

> >

> > 3) Although, I don't agree with the law, my plan is to abide by it by

offering to purchase a used CD. Like a used book store, used record stores and

media stores in our area legally sell and purchase music. Alas, I have not

found my favorites there.

> >

> > thanks again, and I'll think about opening a used media center for yogis.

> >

> >

> > Kundalini-Yoga , " sevaplace01 " <krishna@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sat Nam, Harpal Kaur -

> > > While I respect your point of view (and that of Sahib-Amar Singh), there

is also another legitimate point of view here, that does not involve " stealing "

what someone reasonably wants to sell in compensation for their work.

> > >

> > > You said, " Nobody wants to work for free. " That's not exactly a true

statement.

> > >

> > > Many of us want to work " for free. " It's called Seva. In fact, Sikhs do

not have a priestly professional class doing spiritual work as a salaried

profession, because it is the responsibility of anyone who self-selects to serve

the Guru and the Gathering to have first practiced the three requirement to be

Sikh: do Sadhana, work and create your own prosperity, and then GIVE your own

earned surplus to the entire community. Many artists prefer, even desire, to

give their art as an act of uplift and generosity. If others want to sell their

work, that's their choice and that's no problem. But working for free is

another key aspect of our teachings, BANI (including the music of GurBani

Kirtan), Bana, Simran and SEVA.

> > >

> > > It is best to be clear about the boundaries of commerce when discussing

how to distribute spiritual teachings and music. It's not a one way system, we

have to acknowledge that many great artists are not seeking personal financial

reward. Perhaps it is an additional sign of their greatness that they have

found, by divine grace, the wherewithal to be more generous than that. It's

very similar to the Open Source software movement, in contrast to the " software

piracy " conceptual campaign that Bill Gates and others propagated starting

around 1983, as his $ billions were not yet in the bag after he had purchased

rights to a " freeware " version of the CP/M operating system:

> > >

> > > " The " Microsoft Disk Operating System " or MS-DOS was based on QDOS, the

" Quick and Dirty Operating System " written by Tim Paterson of Seattle Computer

Products... QDOS was different enough from CP/M to be considered legal.

Microsoft bought the rights to QDOS for $50,000, keeping the IBM deal a secret

from Seattle Computer Products. "

> > > see: http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa033099.htm

> > >

> > > So Bill Gates, an inventor of the term " Software Piracy, " paid $50

thousand in a secret deal to resell Tim Paterson's work for a personal fortune

of $50 billion. He made one million times the amount he paid Paterson. Is that

not normal commerce at work? Was that not also piracy, and dishonest?

> > >

> > > It is also true that Open Source Linux software, that anyone can download

" for free, " also has run the " Apache Servers " on which the Internet was based,

and still is a backbone of the World Wide Web. You benefit from highly skilled

and deeply inspired " software artists, " who gave " for free, " every time you Log

On to this .

> > >

> > > Let us please be clear that there are other legitimate points of view, and

good reasons for choosing them, rather than make one sided claims that " art for

sale " is the only game in town.

> > >

> > > Many of us prefer Seva to sales.

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> > > Respectfully,

> > > Krishna Singh

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> > > Kundalini-Yoga , " awakenedsoul2001 " <balletstef@>

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> > > > Thank you for this post! I have been dealing with the same issue with

some of my ballet and yoga students. As a dancer, I know first hand how painful

it is when people help themselves to free copies of your work. Many artists

struggle to buy food and pay their rent. Their work is just as valuable as

everyone else's! Nobody wants to work for free. I love to buy the KY CDs and

feel the same way about ballet music CDs. I'm surprised how many people

routinely " make copies " as a " favor " for their friends. It's heartbreaking to

the artist.

> > > >

> > > > SatpalKaur

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[Guest guest]

Sat Nam,

 

To add a bit to this thread, the spiritual music market is a $250 billion a year

market, as I understand it. It is what is termed as Alternative or Non

Traditional Point of Sale market (I believe there's a more accurate industry

term for this), which basically means you generally cannot get at the main

(discount) outlets of music.

 

Part of its charm and draw is actually that you have to go to find it at

alternate sources. Which in turn makes it also one of the higher price point

musical purchases, because 1) you will not find it discounted at $10.99 at

Virgin records, and 2) people buy it for spiritual development and because the

purchase is seen as self-growth and helping themselves, people are willing to

pay more for the CDs.

 

It's still one of the more sustainable and growing markets, with some aspects of

" industry collapse proofing " to it due to the dedication and perhaps also,

integrity of its members - which may in some part be due to an intrinsic

anti-pirating consciousness.

 

Fateh Singh

[Guest guest]

Sat Nam Fateh Singh,

 

I agree with your comments but have a hard time with the @250 billion figure. I

tried to google the gross income of the whole recording industry but could not

find it. I doubt if the whole industry gross income is anywhere near that

figure. I think I read that the health food industry is somewhere around $40

billion. Are you sure you saw a " b " in $250 billion instead of an " m " . I could

believe that figure. However, $250 million is a lot of money and does not take

away from your argument.

 

Blessings

GuruBandhu

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Kundalini-Yoga , " Fateh Singh " <fatehsinghnyc wrote:

>

> Sat Nam,

>

> To add a bit to this thread, the spiritual music market is a $250 billion a

year market, as I understand it. It is what is termed as Alternative or Non

Traditional Point of Sale market (I believe there's a more accurate industry

term for this), which basically means you generally cannot get at the main

(discount) outlets of music.

>

> Part of its charm and draw is actually that you have to go to find it at

alternate sources. Which in turn makes it also one of the higher price point

musical purchases, because 1) you will not find it discounted at $10.99 at

Virgin records, and 2) people buy it for spiritual development and because the

purchase is seen as self-growth and helping themselves, people are willing to

pay more for the CDs.

>

> It's still one of the more sustainable and growing markets, with some aspects

of " industry collapse proofing " to it due to the dedication and perhaps also,

integrity of its members - which may in some part be due to an intrinsic

anti-pirating consciousness.

>

> Fateh Singh

>

[Guest guest]

Hello all,I think the fact that people fear having people steal from them, really represents their own inner state of poverty. If you are tapped into the creative energy of the universe and can be consistently creative, no one can steal that from you. Does it matter if someone 'steals'  your music? what if you are an artist they like? maybe this can turn into a sale in the future. as an artist, you're not responsible for the actions of others. let the universe sort that out and focus on producing your work and getting your ideas/work out there. there are just certain things in this world that you can't steal from someone and that is their self dignity and pride.

Paula

[Guest guest]

Sat Nam. Thanks for that question.

 

I may have been mistaken. I believe I was referring to yearly spending within

the entire alternative health industry, with the music portion being just a part

of that.

 

I could not verify with my source at this time (I believe it was a Gaiam-based

study), so please strike that.

 

FS

 

 

Kundalini-Yoga , " greatyoga " <greatyoga wrote:

>

> Sat Nam Fateh Singh,

>

> I agree with your comments but have a hard time with the @250 billion figure.

I tried to google the gross income of the whole recording industry but could not

find it.

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