Guest guest Report post Posted November 7, 2009 Is it possible to separate Sikhism and Kundalini Yoga since many mantras used in the meditations come from the Sikhism " bible " ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 8, 2009 Sat Nam! The answer is " YES! " : people of every religion or atheist can pratice Yoga since Yoga never asks to have faith (as religions do) and the pratice, contrariwise, can't be seprated from our own experience. .....but nothing better than the words of Yogi Bhajan :-) Shakti Parwha Kaur: We do draw so heavily in the Sikh tradition of the mantras that we use, the... Yogi Bhajan: Because they are right mantras, not that it's a Sikh tradition. They happen to be available. " God and me, me and God are one " are not anywhere, but it works. It is an ashtang mantra. The sound is correct. We use it. " I am Thine in mine myself " . You know I am Mahan Tantric, I can make up the sound current. That doesn't mean that it has to be only in Gurmukhi. So I draw it whenever I can. Why not? And those mantras are just mantras wich happen to be correct. There are tons of mantras, right? I only use those wich I know will be very elementary and will work Blessings! Sujan S. ---- Original Message ---- " veganderson " <veganderson <Kundaliniyoga > Saturday, November 07, 2009 11:00 PM Kundalini Yoga Sikhism and Kundalini Yoga > Is it possible to separate Sikhism and Kundalini Yoga since many > mantras used in the meditations come from the Sikhism " bible " ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 9, 2009 I am a Christian and I practice Kundalini Yoga and I find that the mantras work very well with my beliefs. I like the Yogi Bhajan quote the previous poster offered... they are elementary. I think that they can be universal mantras for most monotheists. I do believe a part of God resides in me. I do believe that Truth is my name. For me yoga has been such a spiritual journey that I do tie it into my spirituality, but I know people who benefit from yoga just as physical exercise. I love it because it is a universal technology and doesn't require anyone to have any certain beliefs coming into it, or throughout their practice. I love it because it brings together so many faiths and people of different ideas under common goals. Love to all. Light to all. Peace to all. It's beautiful. I hope this helps. Kelli Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 9, 2009 Why if Kundalini Yoga is separate from Sikhism is it require for a student of Kundalini Yoga Teacher Program to wear the Sikhism garments? Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile " Yoga Jap " <noi Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:25:54 <Kundaliniyoga > Re: Kundalini Yoga Sikhism and Kundalini Yoga Sat Nam! The answer is " YES! " : people of every religion or atheist can pratice Yoga since Yoga never asks to have faith (as religions do) and the pratice, contrariwise, can't be seprated from our own experience. .....but nothing better than the words of Yogi Bhajan :-) Shakti Parwha Kaur: We do draw so heavily in the Sikh tradition of the mantras that we use, the... Yogi Bhajan: Because they are right mantras, not that it's a Sikh tradition. They happen to be available. " God and me, me and God are one " are not anywhere, but it works. It is an ashtang mantra. The sound is correct. We use it. " I am Thine in mine myself " . You know I am Mahan Tantric, I can make up the sound current. That doesn't mean that it has to be only in Gurmukhi. So I draw it whenever I can. Why not? And those mantras are just mantras wich happen to be correct. There are tons of mantras, right? I only use those wich I know will be very elementary and will work Blessings! Sujan S. ---- Original Message ---- " veganderson " <veganderson <Kundaliniyoga > Saturday, November 07, 2009 11:00 PM Kundalini Yoga Sikhism and Kundalini Yoga > Is it possible to separate Sikhism and Kundalini Yoga since many > mantras used in the meditations come from the Sikhism " bible " ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 9, 2009 <veganderson > Is it possible to separate Sikhism and Kundalini Yoga since many mantras used in the meditations > come from the Sikhism " bible " ? Hi veganderson, For me they are seperate. Yogi Bhajan taught that a main mechanism of the mantras is the tapping of areas where there are high concentrations of nerves - tounge, lips, roof of mouth etc. As the existing Sikh mantras worked he used them. If you are a religious Sikh you can I am sure use the meanings of the words of the mantras for extra benefit. I used to (jokingly) worry that I was being brain-washed into becoming a Sikh but I have never had pressure from any Sikhs in the K yoga world (beyond their enthusiasm). And I have found mantra's to be quite effective (more work needed there) and they have had big religious effect on me at all. As far as I know the K yoga kriya's existed long before the Sikh religion developed. I guess K yoga in the west is a mix of things. I wonder what mantra's were used by the original pioneers - maybe the sanscrit ones used in other yoga styles? Keith. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 9, 2009 My girlfriend took a training to become a kundalini yoga teacher and she didn't have to use the garments. But it was in Sweden and they're not very much into religion of any kind.... Kundaliniyoga , mcavila27 wrote: > > Why if Kundalini Yoga is separate from Sikhism is it require for a student of Kundalini Yoga Teacher Program to wear the Sikhism garments? > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > > " Yoga Jap " <noi > Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:25:54 > <Kundaliniyoga > > Re: Kundalini Yoga Sikhism and Kundalini Yoga > > Sat Nam! > > The answer is " YES! " : people of every religion or atheist can pratice Yoga > since Yoga never asks to have faith (as religions do) and the pratice, > contrariwise, can't be seprated from our own experience. > > ....but nothing better than the words of Yogi Bhajan :-) > > Shakti Parwha Kaur: We do draw so heavily in the Sikh tradition of the > mantras that we use, the... > > Yogi Bhajan: Because they are right mantras, not that it's a Sikh tradition. > They happen to be available. " God and me, me and God are one " are not > anywhere, but it works. It is an ashtang mantra. The sound is correct. We > use it. " I am Thine in mine myself " . You know I am Mahan Tantric, I can make > up the sound current. That doesn't mean that it has to be only in Gurmukhi. > So I draw it whenever I can. Why not? And those mantras are just mantras > wich happen to be correct. There are tons of mantras, right? I only use > those wich I know will be very elementary and will work > > Blessings! > > Sujan S. > > ---- Original Message ---- > " veganderson " <veganderson > <Kundaliniyoga > > Saturday, November 07, 2009 11:00 PM > Kundalini Yoga Sikhism and Kundalini Yoga > > > Is it possible to separate Sikhism and Kundalini Yoga since many > > mantras used in the meditations come from the Sikhism " bible " ? > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 9, 2009 Students of Kundalini Yoga wear turbans and white for 'energetic' reasons relating to their yoga practice not for 'religious' purposes. It is noticeable that within the Sikh communities that do not practice Kundalini Yoga it is only the men who wear turbans, often the turbans are in a variety of colors and worn along with western suits as well as casual wear. " Life and living is a flow, and if we accept that flow and get into that flow, life can be tremendously simple. " Ramesh S. Balsehar - mcavila27 Kundaliniyoga Monday, November 09, 2009 1:35 AM Re: Kundalini Yoga Sikhism and Kundalini Yoga Why if Kundalini Yoga is separate from Sikhism is it require for a student of Kundalini Yoga Teacher Program to wear the Sikhism garments? Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile " Yoga Jap " <noi Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:25:54 <Kundaliniyoga > Re: Kundalini Yoga Sikhism and Kundalini Yoga Sat Nam! The answer is " YES! " : people of every religion or atheist can pratice Yoga since Yoga never asks to have faith (as religions do) and the pratice, contrariwise, can't be seprated from our own experience. ....but nothing better than the words of Yogi Bhajan :-) Shakti Parwha Kaur: We do draw so heavily in the Sikh tradition of the mantras that we use, the... Yogi Bhajan: Because they are right mantras, not that it's a Sikh tradition. They happen to be available. " God and me, me and God are one " are not anywhere, but it works. It is an ashtang mantra. The sound is correct. We use it. " I am Thine in mine myself " . You know I am Mahan Tantric, I can make up the sound current. That doesn't mean that it has to be only in Gurmukhi. So I draw it whenever I can. Why not? And those mantras are just mantras wich happen to be correct. There are tons of mantras, right? I only use those wich I know will be very elementary and will work Blessings! Sujan S. ---- Original Message ---- " veganderson " <veganderson <Kundaliniyoga > Saturday, November 07, 2009 11:00 PM Kundalini Yoga Sikhism and Kundalini Yoga > Is it possible to separate Sikhism and Kundalini Yoga since many > mantras used in the meditations come from the Sikhism " bible " ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 9, 2009 Thank you all for your answers so far. Now let me put two more questions: - How exactly was Kundalini Yoga practiced before Sikhism? and - Is Sadhana part of Kundalini Yoga or Sikhism? Bye bye! Anderson Kundaliniyoga , " veganderson " <veganderson wrote: > > Is it possible to separate Sikhism and Kundalini Yoga since many mantras used in the meditations come from the Sikhism " bible " ? > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 9, 2009 Sat Nam! Where did you read it? If your writing about the turban, the question is not different than for the use of the mantras: it's a matter of technology (you can read something about it here http://www.kundaliniyoga.com/clients/ikyta/webshell.nsf/SiteMap/705701B032B1B4A6\ 87256BE600624445?OpenDocument - http://k.b5z.net/i/u/2175232/i/Kundalini_FAQs_revised.pdf). Blessings! Sujan S. - <mcavila27 <Kundaliniyoga > Monday, November 09, 2009 7:35 AM Re: Kundalini Yoga Sikhism and Kundalini Yoga > Why if Kundalini Yoga is separate from Sikhism is it require > for a student of Kundalini Yoga Teacher Program to wear > the Sikhism garments? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 9, 2009 Sikhism doesn't have a " bible " . ---- Original Message ---- " veganderson " <veganderson@ hotmail.com> <Kundaliniyoga> Saturday, November 07, 2009 11:00 PM Kundalini Yoga Sikhism and Kundalini Yoga > Is it possible to separate Sikhism and Kundalini Yoga since many > mantras used in the meditations come from the Sikhism " bible " ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 9, 2009 That's interesting... I didn't know they were, and I had been toying with the thought of teacher training some day. I have several DVDs where the teachers do not where Sikh garments, and some of those teachers even have spiritual names. I have thought of wearing a turban during practicing myself to keep my hair out of my face, though I know for religious and spiritual purposes there are much greater reasons. Kelli Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 10, 2009 Sadhana is a Sanskrit word and therefore a part of Kundalini Yoga. Kundalini Yoga pre-dates Sikhism and was primarily practiced by advanced Yogis - often in secret. Sat Nam, Linda " Life and living is a flow, and if we accept that flow and get into that flow, life can be tremendously simple. " Ramesh S. Balsehar - veganderson Kundaliniyoga Monday, November 09, 2009 2:24 PM Kundalini Yoga Re: Sikhism and Kundalini Yoga Thank you all for your answers so far. Now let me put two more questions: - How exactly was Kundalini Yoga practiced before Sikhism? and - Is Sadhana part of Kundalini Yoga or Sikhism? Bye bye! Anderson Kundaliniyoga , " veganderson " <veganderson wrote: > > Is it possible to separate Sikhism and Kundalini Yoga since many mantras used in the meditations come from the Sikhism " bible " ? > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 10, 2009 I did read it. It is a requirement in a local teaching program I looked into. --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Yoga Jap <noi wrote: Yoga Jap <noi Re: Kundalini Yoga Sikhism and Kundalini Yoga Kundaliniyoga Monday, November 9, 2009, 1:29 PM  Sat Nam! Where did you read it? If your writing about the turban, the question is not different than for the use of the mantras: it's a matter of technology (you can read something about it here http://www.kundalin iyoga.com/ clients/ikyta/ webshell. nsf/SiteMap/ 705701B032B1B4A6 87256BE600624445 ?OpenDocument - http://k.b5z. net/i/u/2175232/ i/Kundalini_ FAQs_revised. pdf). Blessings! Sujan S. - <mcavila27 > <Kundaliniyoga> Monday, November 09, 2009 7:35 AM Re: Kundalini Yoga Sikhism and Kundalini Yoga > Why if Kundalini Yoga is separate from Sikhism is it require > for a student of Kundalini Yoga Teacher Program to wear > the Sikhism garments? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 10, 2009 I have always " heard " the Sikhism uses a holy text called The Guru Granth Sahib as it's foundational " bible " like book. Doe9s anyone know anything about this holy book? How can One acquire a copy of it ad study/learn the mantras within it " straight from the source? " Is it true that the mantras are taken from this holy book? And what country does the book originate from? How about Sikhism, where did it start? Ong Shanti Shanti Shanti. AAMike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 10, 2009 so it is basically possible not to? Kundaliniyoga , " Linda Callanan " <annaicenter wrote: > > Students of Kundalini Yoga wear turbans and white for 'energetic' reasons relating to their yoga practice not for 'religious' purposes. It is noticeable that within the Sikh communities that do not practice Kundalini Yoga it is only the men who wear turbans, often the turbans are in a variety of colors and worn along with western suits as well as casual wear. > > > " Life and living is a flow, and if we accept that flow and get into that flow, life can be tremendously simple. " Ramesh S. Balsehar > - > mcavila27 > Kundaliniyoga > Monday, November 09, 2009 1:35 AM > Re: Kundalini Yoga Sikhism and Kundalini Yoga > > > > Why if Kundalini Yoga is separate from Sikhism is it require for a student of Kundalini Yoga Teacher Program to wear the Sikhism garments? > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > > " Yoga Jap " <noi > Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:25:54 > <Kundaliniyoga > > Re: Kundalini Yoga Sikhism and Kundalini Yoga > > Sat Nam! > > The answer is " YES! " : people of every religion or atheist can pratice Yoga > since Yoga never asks to have faith (as religions do) and the pratice, > contrariwise, can't be seprated from our own experience. > > ....but nothing better than the words of Yogi Bhajan :-) > > Shakti Parwha Kaur: We do draw so heavily in the Sikh tradition of the > mantras that we use, the... > > Yogi Bhajan: Because they are right mantras, not that it's a Sikh tradition. > They happen to be available. " God and me, me and God are one " are not > anywhere, but it works. It is an ashtang mantra. The sound is correct. We > use it. " I am Thine in mine myself " . You know I am Mahan Tantric, I can make > up the sound current. That doesn't mean that it has to be only in Gurmukhi. > So I draw it whenever I can. Why not? And those mantras are just mantras > wich happen to be correct. There are tons of mantras, right? I only use > those wich I know will be very elementary and will work > > Blessings! > > Sujan S. > > ---- Original Message ---- > " veganderson " <veganderson > <Kundaliniyoga > > Saturday, November 07, 2009 11:00 PM > Kundalini Yoga Sikhism and Kundalini Yoga > > > Is it possible to separate Sikhism and Kundalini Yoga since many > > mantras used in the meditations come from the Sikhism " bible " ? > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 10, 2009 it is advised to wear a white head covering especially when meditating as it helps contain the energy. People often get headaches if after a class if they have not covered their heads but it is a personal choice. liz - althegrey Kundaliniyoga Tuesday, November 10, 2009 5:26 AM Re: Kundalini Yoga Sikhism and Kundalini Yoga so it is basically possible not to? Kundaliniyoga , " Linda Callanan " <annaicenter wrote: > > Students of Kundalini Yoga wear turbans and white for 'energetic' reasons relating to their yoga practice not for 'religious' purposes. It is noticeable that within the Sikh communities that do not practice Kundalini Yoga it is only the men who wear turbans, often the turbans are in a variety of colors and worn along with western suits as well as casual wear. > > > " Life and living is a flow, and if we accept that flow and get into that flow, life can be tremendously simple. " Ramesh S. Balsehar > - > mcavila27 > Kundaliniyoga > Monday, November 09, 2009 1:35 AM > Re: Kundalini Yoga Sikhism and Kundalini Yoga > > > > Why if Kundalini Yoga is separate from Sikhism is it require for a student of Kundalini Yoga Teacher Program to wear the Sikhism garments? > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > > " Yoga Jap " <noi > Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:25:54 > <Kundaliniyoga > > Re: Kundalini Yoga Sikhism and Kundalini Yoga > > Sat Nam! > > The answer is " YES! " : people of every religion or atheist can pratice Yoga > since Yoga never asks to have faith (as religions do) and the pratice, > contrariwise, can't be seprated from our own experience. > > ....but nothing better than the words of Yogi Bhajan :-) > > Shakti Parwha Kaur: We do draw so heavily in the Sikh tradition of the > mantras that we use, the... > > Yogi Bhajan: Because they are right mantras, not that it's a Sikh tradition. > They happen to be available. " God and me, me and God are one " are not > anywhere, but it works. It is an ashtang mantra. The sound is correct. We > use it. " I am Thine in mine myself " . You know I am Mahan Tantric, I can make > up the sound current. That doesn't mean that it has to be only in Gurmukhi. > So I draw it whenever I can. Why not? And those mantras are just mantras > wich happen to be correct. There are tons of mantras, right? I only use > those wich I know will be very elementary and will work > > Blessings! > > Sujan S. > > ---- Original Message ---- > " veganderson " <veganderson > <Kundaliniyoga > > Saturday, November 07, 2009 11:00 PM > Kundalini Yoga Sikhism and Kundalini Yoga > > > Is it possible to separate Sikhism and Kundalini Yoga since many > > mantras used in the meditations come from the Sikhism " bible " ? > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 10, 2009 I am a certified Kundalini Yoga teacher with 5 classes in my local area. I've completed 3 levels towards my Level II certification and love Kundalini Yoga. I dress in all white for my classes and do not wear a turban. I wear a cotton headband. This is also exactly how I dress for the Level II classes in Espanola, and I have never been chastised in any way. My understanding is that we should wear white on our heads, turbans are optional though encouraged. Blessings, Guru Prem Kaur - althegrey Kundaliniyoga Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:26 AM Re: Kundalini Yoga Sikhism and Kundalini Yoga so it is basically possible not to? Kundaliniyoga , " Linda Callanan " <annaicenter wrote: > > Students of Kundalini Yoga wear turbans and white for 'energetic' reasons relating to their yoga practice not for 'religious' purposes. It is noticeable that within the Sikh communities that do not practice Kundalini Yoga it is only the men who wear turbans, often the turbans are in a variety of colors and worn along with western suits as well as casual wear. > > > " Life and living is a flow, and if we accept that flow and get into that flow, life can be tremendously simple. " Ramesh S. Balsehar > - > mcavila27 > Kundaliniyoga > Monday, November 09, 2009 1:35 AM > Re: Kundalini Yoga Sikhism and Kundalini Yoga > > > > Why if Kundalini Yoga is separate from Sikhism is it require for a student of Kundalini Yoga Teacher Program to wear the Sikhism garments? > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > > " Yoga Jap " <noi > Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:25:54 > <Kundaliniyoga > > Re: Kundalini Yoga Sikhism and Kundalini Yoga > > Sat Nam! > > The answer is " YES! " : people of every religion or atheist can pratice Yoga > since Yoga never asks to have faith (as religions do) and the pratice, > contrariwise, can't be seprated from our own experience. > > ....but nothing better than the words of Yogi Bhajan :-) > > Shakti Parwha Kaur: We do draw so heavily in the Sikh tradition of the > mantras that we use, the... > > Yogi Bhajan: Because they are right mantras, not that it's a Sikh tradition. > They happen to be available. " God and me, me and God are one " are not > anywhere, but it works. It is an ashtang mantra. The sound is correct. We > use it. " I am Thine in mine myself " . You know I am Mahan Tantric, I can make > up the sound current. That doesn't mean that it has to be only in Gurmukhi. > So I draw it whenever I can. Why not? And those mantras are just mantras > wich happen to be correct. There are tons of mantras, right? I only use > those wich I know will be very elementary and will work > > Blessings! > > Sujan S. > > ---- Original Message ---- > " veganderson " <veganderson > <Kundaliniyoga > > Saturday, November 07, 2009 11:00 PM > Kundalini Yoga Sikhism and Kundalini Yoga > > > Is it possible to separate Sikhism and Kundalini Yoga since many > > mantras used in the meditations come from the Sikhism " bible " ? > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 10, 2009 Sat Nam! Could you please post the quote you're talking about (or a link where I can read it): you made me curious since this the first time that I hear something like that (and I'd like to understand what is the purpose of the lead-trainer of the teacher training you're talking about). Blessings Sujan S. - " Carmen Avila " <mcavila27 <Kundaliniyoga > Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:50 AM Re: Kundalini Yoga Sikhism and Kundalini Yoga I did read it. It is a requirement in a local teaching program I looked into. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 10, 2009 ---- Original Message ---- " Michael Foster " <algiz777 <Kundaliniyoga > Tuesday, November 10, 2009 3:08 AM Kundalini Yoga RE: Sikhism and Kundalini Yoga > I have always " heard " the Sikhism uses a holy text called The Guru > Granth Sahib as it's foundational " bible " like book. Doe9s anyone > know anything about this holy book? You can read something about Siri Guru Granth Sahib here: http://www.sgpc.net/sikhism/guru-granth-sahib.html or http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Guru_Granth_Sahib > How can One acquire a copy of it > ad study/learn the mantras within it " straight from the source? " There's a book, " Psyche of The Golden Shield " (http://www.a-healing.com/psyche.html) where you can find the shabads took from Siri Guru Granth Sahib for everything you could need. > Is it true that the mantras are taken from this holy book? Most of the mantras comes from this holy book, but not all the mantras (i.e. " Wah Yantee " , one of the mantras of the morning sadhana, comes from the teachings of Patanjali). > And what country does the book originate from? How about Sikhism, > where did it start? You can start reading http://www.sikhs.org/topics.htm or http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Sikhism Blessings! Sujan S. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
