Guest guest Report post Posted November 23, 2008 Sat nam, I was wondering if anyone here teaches hatha yoga and still has a daily personal practice of kundalini yoga. I feel like I really need to concentrate more on hatha yoga so I can bring my teaching up to a new level and reach more people. But I don't want to miss out on the tremendous peace of mind and love that KY helps me realize. KY has been my lifeline and I'm almost afraid to stop - I think I might go back to the way I was before and be miserable again. BUT . . . I do teach hatha and I need to put a good deal of energy into that. There's only so much time and energy in the day, you know? I feel that by doing both, I don't go deeply into either one. Any thoughts would be most appreciated. Hanspreet Kaur Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 24, 2008 Dear Hanspreet, If both resonate with you, then lovingly do both. You may be a conduit to interweave a powerful practice that may allows those you teach to wade into yoga, and eventually swim into a particular spring fed current. Sat Nam. All the best ~ vansavages <vansavages <Kundaliniyoga > Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:59:24 -0000 <Kundaliniyoga > Kundalini Yoga Does anyone teach hatha yoga? Sat nam, I was wondering if anyone here teaches hatha yoga and still has a daily personal practice of kundalini yoga. I feel like I really need to concentrate more on hatha yoga so I can bring my teaching up to a new level and reach more people. But I don't want to miss out on the tremendous peace of mind and love that KY helps me realize. KY has been my lifeline and I'm almost afraid to stop - I think I might go back to the way I was before and be miserable again. BUT . . . I do teach hatha and I need to put a good deal of energy into that. There's only so much time and energy in the day, you know? I feel that by doing both, I don't go deeply into either one. Any thoughts would be most appreciated. Hanspreet Kaur Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 24, 2008 Open your mind a bit and realize that you can easily do both. Why are you not teaching Kundalini as well as Hatha? When I began teaching I taught two Hatha classes and began to change one over to Kundalini by beginning with sun salutations and then moving into a Kriya. If you are concerned about fitness do some researh and find out how many wonderful and vigorous kriyas are out there to teach. There is nothing wrong with a hatha practice but kundalini is so much more complete. The two are very compatible. Love and Light Jane Bentley --- On Sun, 11/23/08, vansavages <vansavages wrote: vansavages <vansavages Kundalini Yoga Does anyone teach hatha yoga? Kundaliniyoga Sunday, November 23, 2008, 3:59 PM Sat nam, I was wondering if anyone here teaches hatha yoga and still has a daily personal practice of kundalini yoga. I feel like I really need to concentrate more on hatha yoga so I can bring my teaching up to a new level and reach more people. But I don't want to miss out on the tremendous peace of mind and love that KY helps me realize. KY has been my lifeline and I'm almost afraid to stop - I think I might go back to the way I was before and be miserable again. BUT . . . I do teach hatha and I need to put a good deal of energy into that. There's only so much time and energy in the day, you know? I feel that by doing both, I don't go deeply into either one. Any thoughts would be most appreciated. Hanspreet Kaur Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 24, 2008 May I refer you to the " The Aquarian Teacher " Level One instructor textbook, fourth edition, chapter 3, page 33; " Yogi Bhajan on Kundalini Yoga & Hatha Yoga " . The answer awaits there. José --- On Sun, 11/23/08, vansavages <vansavages wrote: vansavages <vansavages Kundalini Yoga Does anyone teach hatha yoga? Kundaliniyoga Sunday, November 23, 2008, 2:59 PM Sat nam, I was wondering if anyone here teaches hatha yoga and still has a daily personal practice of kundalini yoga. I feel like I really need to concentrate more on hatha yoga so I can bring my teaching up to a new level and reach more people. But I don't want to miss out on the tremendous peace of mind and love that KY helps me realize. KY has been my lifeline and I'm almost afraid to stop - I think I might go back to the way I was before and be miserable again. BUT . . . I do teach hatha and I need to put a good deal of energy into that. There's only so much time and energy in the day, you know? I feel that by doing both, I don't go deeply into either one. Any thoughts would be most appreciated. Hanspreet Kaur Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 24, 2008 Hanspreet, What are the obstacles to doing both? Is it time? Energy? I do Hatha yoga once a week and Kundalini daily, and I find they compliment each other well. What is involved if you decide to go more deeply into Hatha teaching? Would you take a teacher-training program? Are you concerned that philosophically or physically the two disciplines may contradict each other? Just wondering - trying to better understand your question. Best, Kartar Kaur Kundaliniyoga , " vansavages " <vansavages wrote: > > Sat nam, > > I was wondering if anyone here teaches hatha yoga and still has a daily > personal practice of kundalini yoga. I feel like I really need to > concentrate more on hatha yoga so I can bring my teaching up to a new > level and reach more people. But I don't want to miss out on the > tremendous peace of mind and love that KY helps me realize. KY has > been my lifeline and I'm almost afraid to stop - I think I might go > back to the way I was before and be miserable again. BUT . . . I do > teach hatha and I need to put a good deal of energy into that. There's > only so much time and energy in the day, you know? I feel that by > doing both, I don't go deeply into either one. Any thoughts would be > most appreciated. > > Hanspreet Kaur > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 25, 2008 Sat Nam, Hanspreet Kaur, Yes -- I teach hatha yoga ( & Kundalini yoga) & also have a daily practice of Kundalini yoga. What I hear you saying is that time is the issue for you in terms of practicing both to the extent that you would like to. I can relate to that. Here's what worked for me, in my situation; you may find it helpful. I do my own Kundalini practice daily because I know it is MY practice; it's my path for personal transformation. I wouldn't consider not doing it, or doing it for less time than I would like to or feel I need to, no matter what else I teach. I also take a Kundalini class weekly because being in the company of like-minded souls reinforces my commitment to my practice. And because as a teacher I am always interested in learning from how other teachers teach. I generally don't do a hatha practice on my own every day. For one, I don't have enough time to do both Kundalini & hatha in the morning, before I start my day. But also I have found that I simply don't challenge myself when practicing by myself to the same extent I am challenged when I go to a good hatha class. So I take (usually) three hatha classes weekly, in the evenings. One is at the level at which I do most of my teaching so that, again, I learn how to improve my own teaching by observing the teacher. The other two are usually " up a notch " so that I can see clearly where I need to improve in doing postures & so that I actually do some work on those postures in the class! Those are the postures I end up working with on my own, after 20 minutes or so of stretching & opening up the hips & shoulders, etc. That may happen only 4 or 5 times a week. On less busy days, or on days when I don't go in to work, I spend more time with it. I find it helpful to take hatha workshops or intensives that focus on a specific group of postures or with a particular anatomical emphasis. The concentrated information I get & work that I do during those times translates almost immediately into expanding my teaching. No matter what you're teaching, it all flows from who you are. Your presence makes it work. Your Kundalini practice develops your presence, and that presence infuses everything you teach, whether it's hatha or Kundalini or salsa dancing. Your hatha students will connect with this intuitively, & you may find many of them returning to your classes not because you're a great hatha teacher but because you've connected with your own Infinity. Better, in my opinion, to spend more time with the practice that you know from experience transforms you. Bring your teaching up to a new level & reach more people in that way. Increasing your proficiency in doing & teaching hatha postures can be a worthwhile " second priority " . Blessings to you, Nirvair Kaur Kundaliniyoga , " vansavages " <vansavages wrote: > > Sat nam, > > I was wondering if anyone here teaches hatha yoga and still has a daily > personal practice of kundalini yoga. I feel like I really need to > concentrate more on hatha yoga so I can bring my teaching up to a new > level and reach more people. But I don't want to miss out on the > tremendous peace of mind and love that KY helps me realize. KY has > been my lifeline and I'm almost afraid to stop - I think I might go > back to the way I was before and be miserable again. BUT . . . I do > teach hatha and I need to put a good deal of energy into that. There's > only so much time and energy in the day, you know? I feel that by > doing both, I don't go deeply into either one. Any thoughts would be > most appreciated. > > Hanspreet Kaur > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 25, 2008 for those of us who do not have the book-- will you please share a summary of what is on that page-- “Preach the Gospel at all times and when necessary use words.” St.Francis of Assisi --- On Sun, 11/23/08, jose rodriguez <rocketrodz wrote: jose rodriguez <rocketrodz Re: Kundalini Yoga Does anyone teach hatha yoga? Kundaliniyoga Sunday, November 23, 2008, 10:02 PM May I refer you to the " The Aquarian Teacher " Level One instructor textbook, fourth edition, chapter 3, page 33; " Yogi Bhajan on Kundalini Yoga & Hatha Yoga " . The answer awaits there. José --- On Sun, 11/23/08, vansavages <vansavages > wrote: vansavages <vansavages > Kundalini Yoga Does anyone teach hatha yoga? Kundaliniyoga Sunday, November 23, 2008, 2:59 PM Sat nam, I was wondering if anyone here teaches hatha yoga and still has a daily personal practice of kundalini yoga. I feel like I really need to concentrate more on hatha yoga so I can bring my teaching up to a new level and reach more people. But I don't want to miss out on the tremendous peace of mind and love that KY helps me realize. KY has been my lifeline and I'm almost afraid to stop - I think I might go back to the way I was before and be miserable again. BUT . . . I do teach hatha and I need to put a good deal of energy into that. There's only so much time and energy in the day, you know? I feel that by doing both, I don't go deeply into either one. Any thoughts would be most appreciated. Hanspreet Kaur Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 25, 2008 Sat nam, I guess I didn't word my question very well. Do you know the teaching about digging one deep hole for a well as opposed to digging a lot of shallow holes all over the place? I feel that because of time and energy limitations, I can't dig a deep kundalini yoga hold AND a deep hatha yoga hole. I feel I have to teach what I actually practice and I don't have the time to consistently practice both. I wanted to know if anyone else had a similar situation. Thanks, Hanspreet Kaur --- On Mon, 11/24/08, rasheedaas <rasheedaas wrote: rasheedaas <rasheedaas Kundalini Yoga Re: Does anyone teach hatha yoga? Kundaliniyoga Monday, November 24, 2008, 12:54 PM Hanspreet, What are the obstacles to doing both? Is it time? Energy? I do Hatha yoga once a week and Kundalini daily, and I find they compliment each other well. What is involved if you decide to go more deeply into Hatha teaching? Would you take a teacher-training program? Are you concerned that philosophically or physically the two disciplines may contradict each other? Just wondering - trying to better understand your question. Best, Kartar Kaur Kundaliniyoga, " vansavages " <vansavages@ ...> wrote: > > Sat nam, > > I was wondering if anyone here teaches hatha yoga and still has a daily > personal practice of kundalini yoga. I feel like I really need to > concentrate more on hatha yoga so I can bring my teaching up to a new > level and reach more people. But I don't want to miss out on the > tremendous peace of mind and love that KY helps me realize. KY has > been my lifeline and I'm almost afraid to stop - I think I might go > back to the way I was before and be miserable again. BUT . . . I do > teach hatha and I need to put a good deal of energy into that. There's > only so much time and energy in the day, you know? I feel that by > doing both, I don't go deeply into either one. Any thoughts would be > most appreciated. > > Hanspreet Kaur > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 25, 2008 Sat nam Jose, Thanks for the suggestion. I don't have that book and I even looked into buying it, but they are almost $200. Would you mind summarizing? Peace, Hanspreet Kaur --- On Mon, 11/24/08, jose rodriguez <rocketrodz wrote: jose rodriguez <rocketrodz Re: Kundalini Yoga Does anyone teach hatha yoga? Kundaliniyoga Monday, November 24, 2008, 4:02 AM May I refer you to the " The Aquarian Teacher " Level One instructor textbook, fourth edition, chapter 3, page 33; " Yogi Bhajan on Kundalini Yoga & Hatha Yoga " . The answer awaits there. José --- On Sun, 11/23/08, vansavages <vansavages > wrote: vansavages <vansavages > Kundalini Yoga Does anyone teach hatha yoga? Kundaliniyoga Sunday, November 23, 2008, 2:59 PM Sat nam, I was wondering if anyone here teaches hatha yoga and still has a daily personal practice of kundalini yoga. I feel like I really need to concentrate more on hatha yoga so I can bring my teaching up to a new level and reach more people. But I don't want to miss out on the tremendous peace of mind and love that KY helps me realize. KY has been my lifeline and I'm almost afraid to stop - I think I might go back to the way I was before and be miserable again. BUT . . . I do teach hatha and I need to put a good deal of energy into that. There's only so much time and energy in the day, you know? I feel that by doing both, I don't go deeply into either one. Any thoughts would be most appreciated. Hanspreet Kaur Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 25, 2008 Hi There is a DVD available in the name of Geri Yoga, it is basically dealing with Hatha Yoga taught by Sivananda but promoted by westerners. Try A. Ramani --- On Mon, 11/24/08, rasheedaas <rasheedaas wrote: rasheedaas <rasheedaas Kundalini Yoga Re: Does anyone teach hatha yoga? Kundaliniyoga Monday, November 24, 2008, 7:54 AM Hanspreet, What are the obstacles to doing both? Is it time? Energy? I do Hatha yoga once a week and Kundalini daily, and I find they compliment each other well. What is involved if you decide to go more deeply into Hatha teaching? Would you take a teacher-training program? Are you concerned that philosophically or physically the two disciplines may contradict each other? Just wondering - trying to better understand your question. Best, Kartar Kaur Kundaliniyoga, " vansavages " <vansavages@ ...> wrote: > > Sat nam, > > I was wondering if anyone here teaches hatha yoga and still has a daily > personal practice of kundalini yoga. I feel like I really need to > concentrate more on hatha yoga so I can bring my teaching up to a new > level and reach more people. But I don't want to miss out on the > tremendous peace of mind and love that KY helps me realize. KY has > been my lifeline and I'm almost afraid to stop - I think I might go > back to the way I was before and be miserable again. BUT . . . I do > teach hatha and I need to put a good deal of energy into that. There's > only so much time and energy in the day, you know? I feel that by > doing both, I don't go deeply into either one. Any thoughts would be > most appreciated. > > Hanspreet Kaur > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 25, 2008 I have the same dilemma. I love Kundalini but i am a hatha yoga instructor for kids and home room teachers. I need to practice the hatha lesson plans I write so it is very hard to find time to do both types of yoga. My other dilemma is that i want to do the Kundalini yoga teacher training that is starting in New Hamphire in March but I also want to do the Anusara that starts in March as well. I can not seem to see where my heart is or which direction my yogic path should take. i have been pondering this for over a year and praying for direction. My twin is a level 11 K instructor. I have definately had much more training and experience with Hatha. I am going to start teaching k yoga to troubled youth. I did my training in NYC for Kundalini yoga for youth. I like the way Kundalini pushes beyond the monkey mind limits and I think it is appropriate for some children but not for the k-3 classes I teach as they have so much fun with the Hatha and I have it broken down so nicely for them to use everyday and apply it in their classrooms and at home. Of well more praying and more meditating and possibly some help from you . Sat Nam Lily --- On Mon, 11/24/08, rasheedaas <rasheedaas wrote: rasheedaas <rasheedaas Kundalini Yoga Re: Does anyone teach hatha yoga? Kundaliniyoga Monday, November 24, 2008, 7:54 AM Hanspreet, What are the obstacles to doing both? Is it time? Energy? I do Hatha yoga once a week and Kundalini daily, and I find they compliment each other well. What is involved if you decide to go more deeply into Hatha teaching? Would you take a teacher-training program? Are you concerned that philosophically or physically the two disciplines may contradict each other? Just wondering - trying to better understand your question. Best, Kartar Kaur Kundaliniyoga, " vansavages " <vansavages@ ...> wrote: > > Sat nam, > > I was wondering if anyone here teaches hatha yoga and still has a daily > personal practice of kundalini yoga. I feel like I really need to > concentrate more on hatha yoga so I can bring my teaching up to a new > level and reach more people. But I don't want to miss out on the > tremendous peace of mind and love that KY helps me realize. KY has > been my lifeline and I'm almost afraid to stop - I think I might go > back to the way I was before and be miserable again. BUT . . . I do > teach hatha and I need to put a good deal of energy into that. There's > only so much time and energy in the day, you know? I feel that by > doing both, I don't go deeply into either one. Any thoughts would be > most appreciated. > > Hanspreet Kaur > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 25, 2008 I teach and practice both Hatha Yoga and Kundalini Yoga. Hatha Yoga many times a week, and Kundalini Yoga once a week. As to my own practice, I practice what I feel I need for myself -- and sometimes that is not at all and I just meditate instead. If I'm going to be teaching something new (new pose or new Kriya) I will practice it first to be sure I have it right and can feel the details etc. When I go to a workshop (and I can go only once a year) I pick something that interest me -- and always come back with new insights to share with my students. Workshops we host have been Kundalini the past couple of times, and will be more along that line in the spring with a workshop focusing on internal change and development from the heart called Eyes of the Heart by Gabriella from Little Rock. This is just what I do -- what you do will, of course, be right for you. You are your own best teacher. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 25, 2008 >>>Are you concerned that philosophically or physically the two disciplines may contradict each other? I am new to this group: would you mind elaborating on this statement? I am new to K and will be exploring it through this group and myself.I cannot afford any teachers or classes. I was introduced to hatha at a young age and am now 50 and now use breathing ,stretching, for self healing and rejuvenation. When I reach a point of balance in posture and breath,I have this feeling of extending all out from a center point .The intensity of the breath,radiance of the energy(chi,ki,prana?) and then get this " orgasmic " feeling that can nearly feel scary.Can anyone identfy this or clarify this for me? One teacher told me this is called making love to oneself. I guess that makes sense in more ways than one ( I hope this doesnt make me a psychotic one) I beleive someone mentioned Tai Chi in a post (or maybe one of the sites) I have studied various martial arts for many years and tai chi ,qi qong and aikido all can bring us to the one point of perfect clarity ,but , in motion! Mindfulness in motion,and in the case of aikido, mindfulness in the motion of compassionate self defense. Just sharing my love for the bodymindspirit arts karen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 25, 2008 Carmen: For many years I have been studying and learning from philosophical movements the world over, even when fully knowing that the Universal Knowledge resides within me. Different methods, different paths. And then, a short time ago, I was told I had to engage in yogasanas in order the ready my body. I chose Kundalini Yoga, or perhaps it chose me. Yoga is a path towards union with Supreme Consciousness. All Yoga " styles " do that. They do that utilizing variations in technology which will bring different rates of reaching the goal, if at all we are to achieve it. Different personalities are attracted to a specific style that will better work them. It is their Soul, or perhaps their perceptive needs what attracts one student to a style or other. Just mention the word God or Divine or becoming the Divine through the methods of Yoga and you could see students frowing at you and probably even leaving the class. The purpose of yogasanas is only one, to prepare the body for meditation. For that meditation that will take us to the core of our Being where we can merge with the Shabd and the Naam. Where we can be aware and consciosly become them. Hatha Yoga is a Path. We can travel on may paths and learn from them. But when it come to teaching the way of a Path, we must become It. Hatha Yoga, being the most popular yoga style in the western hemishpere typicaly focuses on the physical body to work in the mind and cosciousness to raise awareness. To quote Yogi Bhajan: " a science where the sun and moon energy are directly united to raise the kundalini. " But with Hatha Yoga it takes a very long time! Hatha Yoga was practiced or taught to people who could dedicate an enormous amount of time to it. It was thought long time ago that Hatha Yoga was what the western mind could handle and tolerate. Yogis thought we could not sit to meditate for more than five minutes without worrying about the soccer game or the barbecue in the backyard. But Yogi Bhajan saw something different and very special in the West. Yogi Bhajan indicates that with Hatha Yoga it may take about 22 years to raise the consciousness. But it takes many years under the umbrella of a " knowledgeable teacher " . That brings two big issues, many years and knowledgeable Teacher. With Kundalini Yoga as taught by Yogi Bhajan, the rate of progress is much faster. When we get established in a level of consciousness to bring the students and people around us to that level, we may be able to effectively teach it. This is related to the Golden Link. Anything less than that, without our attempt at trying to act in Kriya and make our students understand this, live it and apply it to our own and their daily living as housholders, without becoming what we teach, we could only be teaching " in darkness " . " Knowledge only becomes real wisdom when you experience it with your own heart and Being. " YB. All of this is for us to figure out by ourselves, our goals and the goals we have for the students. My final quote from Yogi Bhajan: " In yoga this is how it is: twelve years of Hatha Yoga, plus six years of Raja Yoga, plus three years of Mantra Yoga, plus one year of Laya Yoga is equal to the effect of just one complete year of Kundalini Yoga. " Sat Nam José --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Carmen Avila <mcavila27 wrote: Carmen Avila <mcavila27 Re: Kundalini Yoga Does anyone teach hatha yoga? Kundaliniyoga Monday, November 24, 2008, 9:46 PM for those of us who do not have the book-- will you please share a summary of what is on that page-- “Preach the Gospel at all times and when necessary use words.” St.Francis of Assisi --- On Sun, 11/23/08, jose rodriguez <rocketrodz wrote: jose rodriguez <rocketrodz Re: Kundalini Yoga Does anyone teach hatha yoga? Kundaliniyoga Sunday, November 23, 2008, 10:02 PM May I refer you to the " The Aquarian Teacher " Level One instructor textbook, fourth edition, chapter 3, page 33; " Yogi Bhajan on Kundalini Yoga & Hatha Yoga " . The answer awaits there. José --- On Sun, 11/23/08, vansavages <vansavages > wrote: vansavages <vansavages > Kundalini Yoga Does anyone teach hatha yoga? Kundaliniyoga Sunday, November 23, 2008, 2:59 PM Sat nam, I was wondering if anyone here teaches hatha yoga and still has a daily personal practice of kundalini yoga. I feel like I really need to concentrate more on hatha yoga so I can bring my teaching up to a new level and reach more people. But I don't want to miss out on the tremendous peace of mind and love that KY helps me realize. KY has been my lifeline and I'm almost afraid to stop - I think I might go back to the way I was before and be miserable again. BUT . . . I do teach hatha and I need to put a good deal of energy into that. There's only so much time and energy in the day, you know? I feel that by doing both, I don't go deeply into either one. Any thoughts would be most appreciated. Hanspreet Kaur Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 25, 2008 Hanspreet Kaur: I wrote some words summarizing a few concepts from the teachings in the " Aquarian Teacher " textbook when I answered Mrs. Avila´s message earlier today. There are many Paths and all of them take us to the same and final destination; Divine Union with Supreme Consciousness. We can traverse any and many of them fully aware of what the results may be. Sooner or later we will all get there. We just need to be aware how we want to get there, or should I say, how soon, and with how many. This is similar to Yogi Bhajan´s teaching (video) about when to do Sadhana and the analogy of jumping off a building. We should become aware of the Path and the actions we must take to get there. But when it comes to becoming a Kundalini Yoga Teacher, then we must do all in our dual-being to integrate the teachings, internalized them and become them. But try not to decide which way to go or how much to dedicate to a Path among others. It is only the mind the one that decides. Then, there should be no decision but a harmonious movement from the depths of your Self. I can only recommend you to allow your Being to move in the direction. That is the direction You have to be in. And yet I would like to quote Yogi Bhajan: " The totality of all yoga is Kundalini Yoga-the yoga of awareness. This yoga is for those who want a specific course in consciousness and awareness. It demands a commitment. " Sat Nam José --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Stephanie Van Savage <vansavages wrote: Stephanie Van Savage <vansavages Re: Kundalini Yoga Does anyone teach hatha yoga? Kundaliniyoga Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 1:00 AM Sat nam Jose, Thanks for the suggestion. I don't have that book and I even looked into buying it, but they are almost $200. Would you mind summarizing? Peace, Hanspreet Kaur --- On Mon, 11/24/08, jose rodriguez <rocketrodz > wrote: jose rodriguez <rocketrodz > Re: Kundalini Yoga Does anyone teach hatha yoga? Kundaliniyoga Monday, November 24, 2008, 4:02 AM May I refer you to the " The Aquarian Teacher " Level One instructor textbook, fourth edition, chapter 3, page 33; " Yogi Bhajan on Kundalini Yoga & Hatha Yoga " . The answer awaits there. José --- On Sun, 11/23/08, vansavages <vansavages> wrote: vansavages <vansavages> Kundalini Yoga Does anyone teach hatha yoga? Kundaliniyoga Sunday, November 23, 2008, 2:59 PM Sat nam, I was wondering if anyone here teaches hatha yoga and still has a daily personal practice of kundalini yoga. I feel like I really need to concentrate more on hatha yoga so I can bring my teaching up to a new level and reach more people. But I don't want to miss out on the tremendous peace of mind and love that KY helps me realize. KY has been my lifeline and I'm almost afraid to stop - I think I might go back to the way I was before and be miserable again. BUT . . . I do teach hatha and I need to put a good deal of energy into that. There's only so much time and energy in the day, you know? I feel that by doing both, I don't go deeply into either one. Any thoughts would be most appreciated. Hanspreet Kaur Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 25, 2008 Sat Nam, Sometimes we get the answer to our question by changing the question. Maybe the issue is about going deep within ourselves. It is not so much getting deeply into KY or hatha or. You can use both KY and Hatha to go deep within if you focus your attention inside your skin. Your comments about digging lots of shallow holes relates to the person who moves from one discipline to the next in order to not go deeply within him or herself. I personally found that both hatha, chi gong and tai chi helped me get deeper into my KY practice. Actually they all helped me get deeper into my body and my psyche. Change the perspective, get the answer. Many blessings, Guru Rattana :+) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 26, 2008 Hello, I am the one who asked the question below that you ask about. I was trying to draw out the questioner and understand her question. I was not suggesting that there is a conflict between the two styles of Yoga. Kartar Kaur Kundaliniyoga , karen brand <kungfuma wrote: > > >>>Are you concerned that philosophically or physically the two > disciplines may contradict each other? > > I am new to this group: would you mind elaborating on this statement? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 26, 2008 Hi Jose, --- On Tue, 11/25/08, jose rodriguez <rocketrodz wrote: > jose rodriguez <rocketrodz > Yoga is a path towards union with Supreme Consciousness. > All Yoga " styles " do that. At the early stages I used yoga to help me cope with stress and to help my fitness and flexibility. I don't ever expect to reach 'union with Supreme Consciousness' I dont even think there is one! > Different personalities are attracted to a > specific style that will better work them. Thats true. > Just mention the word God or Divine or becoming the Divine > through the methods of Yoga and you could see students > frowing at you and probably even leaving the class. I was and still am put off by this sort of talk as I regard myself as a secular rationalist atheist. I may be wrong about this and may be missing out on the deepest benefits of yoga. Maybe I shouldn't teach it if I disagree with its most basic tenets? But I still find yoga has been of immense benefit to me and firmly believe it is of great benefit to anyone - it can be done for mental and physical health without any 'spiritual' aims at all. Yoga for the householder. My philosphy is more like that of secular zen that that of most Kundalini yogis. I even think the Buddha and the original yogis may have been secular too - I don't know if the 'spiritual' elements were added by others later or if they were there from the start. > The purpose of yogasanas is only one, to prepare the body > for meditation. At the deepest level yes. But for me the original purpose was to stop stress from making me ill and depressed. I aimed to reduce muscle tension and stiff joints. As I experince more I still aim for this but for some deeper things too. I guess it depends on what you call meditation. To me we are a psycho-physical unity - meditation and yoga are different angles of the same thing - the body and mind are different views of one thing so we must work from both angles. Conciousness 'sits on top' of the body/mind. > Hatha Yoga, being the most popular yoga style in the > western hemishpere typicaly focuses on the physical body to > work in the mind... > .....But with Hatha Yoga it takes a very long time! Yes I think the Hatha program is rather clever in that it allows people slow steady change (much as Tai Chi does and the western somatic methods like Alexander Technique, Feldenkrais, Hanna Somatics). They get the mind body benefits gradually without it getting too 'spooky'. K yoga embraces this 'spookiness' to get a maximum rate of change and to take you further - if you want to go further. > It was thought long time > ago that Hatha Yoga was what the western mind could handle > and tolerate. Yes. I think it is true too. I have seen people 'opened up' in K yoga class and they don't come back! > With Kundalini Yoga as taught by Yogi Bhajan, the rate of > progress is much faster. I agree with that! It is like he gave us the best sharpest tools there are. Its there for those that want it/can handle it/ or really need it. I guess by thing is that there is a lot of talk of the ultimate mystical experiences in the Kundalini yoga world and that makes someone like me feel rather an outsider and may put people off coming to classes. What is so great about Kundalini yoga is that it is the fastest mind-body / somatic method I have seen. If people have no interest in enlightenment and supreme conciousness it is still a great tool for use in the more 'shallow' way that I use it - for mental and physical health. I think this is all that most people want and it would be a shame (as you mentioned earlier) if people missed this point. Keith. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 26, 2008 Sat nam, I just wanted to thank everyone for the great responses to my question about teaching hatha yoga class, but focusing on KY in my personal practice. It is a struggle for me sometimes to stay out of the dogma and just go with what works for me. I see that my thinking was a bit rigid and now I feel encouraged and inspired to go on - even without knowing exactly what that may look like. Thank you all again. I have much to think about. Hanspreet Kaur --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Guru Rattana <gururattan wrote: Guru Rattana <gururattan Re: Kundalini Yoga Re: Does anyone teach hatha yoga? Kundaliniyoga Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 9:58 PM Sat Nam, Sometimes we get the answer to our question by changing the question. Maybe the issue is about going deep within ourselves. It is not so much getting deeply into KY or hatha or. You can use both KY and Hatha to go deep within if you focus your attention inside your skin. Your comments about digging lots of shallow holes relates to the person who moves from one discipline to the next in order to not go deeply within him or herself. I personally found that both hatha, chi gong and tai chi helped me get deeper into my KY practice. Actually they all helped me get deeper into my body and my psyche. Change the perspective, get the answer. Many blessings, Guru Rattana :+) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 26, 2008 Deva Kaur said: [addressed off-list to me] " This subject [hatha yoga]should be discussed " off the air " and not in this forum. There has been way too much email already, from you especially. " First of all, you are confused, I have not posted very much about hatha yoga. Secondly, who are you? Are you the moderator? If you are, and you want to make a comment about the postings, please do so to the list, and not individually to me. Thirdly, did someone die and make you god? Regards, Kartar Kaur Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 26, 2008 Dear Kartar Kaur Thank you for your post. However, this matter should have been raised privately with kundaliniyoga-owner and not aired in this public forum. I have no idea who Deva Kaur is, but she is certainly not speaking to you on behalf of our list management team. It is against published list rules to challenge someone in this way off-list in relation to a posting they made to the list. We do everything we can to provide a friendly and welcoming ambiance for all our list rs. Please help us to keep it this way by notifying any issues or grievances directly to kundaliniyoga-owner Sat Nam Gordon - List Owner - rasheedaas Kundaliniyoga Wednesday, November 26, 2008 2:51 PMDeva Kaur said: [addressed off-list to me] " This subject [hatha yoga]should be discussed " off the air " and not in this forum. There has been way too much email already, from you especially. " First of all, you are confused, I have not posted very much about hatha yoga. Secondly, who are you? Are you the moderator? If you are, and you want to make a comment about the postings, please do so to the list, and not individually to me. Thirdly, did someone die and make you god? Regards, Kartar Kaur Re: Kundalini Yoga Does anyone teach hatha yoga? Recent Activity a.. 45New Members Visit Your Group Star Wars on Y! Discover new content Connect with other fans & upload video. Need traffic? Drive customers With search ads on Y! Groups blog The place to go to stay informed on Groups news! .. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 27, 2008 Keith: You are in! Your words feel me with Joy. The Infinite, the Natural Laws, move with or without us. Humanity as a whole will move with Infinity. " All training and all knowledge is meant for only one purpose, and that purpose is very simple and clear: That you may be in a position to control your mental self as well as your physical self. " " Man´s destiny is to merge with Infinity. You should not only know it, you should experience it. Experiencing in yourself the vastness of Infinity is the aim of human life. " Yogi Bhajan Sat Nam and Hari Om Tat Sat! José --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Keith Bacon <biftonb wrote: Keith Bacon <biftonb Re: Kundalini Yoga Does anyone teach hatha yoga? Kundaliniyoga Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 7:49 AM Hi Jose, --- On Tue, 11/25/08, jose rodriguez <rocketrodz > wrote: > jose rodriguez <rocketrodz > > Yoga is a path towards union with Supreme Consciousness. > All Yoga " styles " do that. At the early stages I used yoga to help me cope with stress and to help my fitness and flexibility. I don't ever expect to reach 'union with Supreme Consciousness' I dont even think there is one! > Different personalities are attracted to a > specific style that will better work them. Thats true. > Just mention the word God or Divine or becoming the Divine > through the methods of Yoga and you could see students > frowing at you and probably even leaving the class. I was and still am put off by this sort of talk as I regard myself as a secular rationalist atheist. I may be wrong about this and may be missing out on the deepest benefits of yoga. Maybe I shouldn't teach it if I disagree with its most basic tenets? But I still find yoga has been of immense benefit to me and firmly believe it is of great benefit to anyone - it can be done for mental and physical health without any 'spiritual' aims at all. Yoga for the householder. My philosphy is more like that of secular zen that that of most Kundalini yogis. I even think the Buddha and the original yogis may have been secular too - I don't know if the 'spiritual' elements were added by others later or if they were there from the start. > The purpose of yogasanas is only one, to prepare the body > for meditation. At the deepest level yes. But for me the original purpose was to stop stress from making me ill and depressed. I aimed to reduce muscle tension and stiff joints. As I experince more I still aim for this but for some deeper things too. I guess it depends on what you call meditation. To me we are a psycho-physical unity - meditation and yoga are different angles of the same thing - the body and mind are different views of one thing so we must work from both angles. Conciousness 'sits on top' of the body/mind. > Hatha Yoga, being the most popular yoga style in the > western hemishpere typicaly focuses on the physical body to > work in the mind... > .....But with Hatha Yoga it takes a very long time! Yes I think the Hatha program is rather clever in that it allows people slow steady change (much as Tai Chi does and the western somatic methods like Alexander Technique, Feldenkrais, Hanna Somatics). They get the mind body benefits gradually without it getting too 'spooky'. K yoga embraces this 'spookiness' to get a maximum rate of change and to take you further - if you want to go further. > It was thought long time > ago that Hatha Yoga was what the western mind could handle > and tolerate. Yes. I think it is true too. I have seen people 'opened up' in K yoga class and they don't come back! > With Kundalini Yoga as taught by Yogi Bhajan, the rate of > progress is much faster. I agree with that! It is like he gave us the best sharpest tools there are. Its there for those that want it/can handle it/ or really need it. I guess by thing is that there is a lot of talk of the ultimate mystical experiences in the Kundalini yoga world and that makes someone like me feel rather an outsider and may put people off coming to classes. What is so great about Kundalini yoga is that it is the fastest mind-body / somatic method I have seen. If people have no interest in enlightenment and supreme conciousness it is still a great tool for use in the more 'shallow' way that I use it - for mental and physical health. I think this is all that most people want and it would be a shame (as you mentioned earlier) if people missed this point. Keith. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 27, 2008 Thanks, Jose, The quotes by Yogi Bhajan that you post are so welcome. Especially in those times when the practice gets 'rocky', they provide inspiration. Sat nam, Kartar Kaur Kundaliniyoga , jose rodriguez <rocketrodz wrote: > > Keith: You are in! > > Your words feel me with Joy. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
