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sounds like it is time to move onto the second series...

check out the asana

i wonder if you are pranic...maybe it would halp to nuetralize..pubic bone

twrds chin lengthen tail away...in all standing...give it a try

good luck

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I've been practicing on & off for a few years and do the primary a

couple times a week (I know

it should be more).

I also take an anusara class here & there, power vinyasa, a little yin. I have

significant low

back pain the day after doing the primary, but not after any other classes, no

matter how

rigorous.... even after a day full of backbends at a Baptiste intensive.

 

Sometimes doing some twists after all those u. dhanurasanas helps a little, but

not entirely.

Anyone else?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Lower back pain is more commonly a consequence of forward bends rather than

backbends. Primary is a lot of forward folds.

You might have an experienced instructor look at your forward folds. If you

are pulling your head to your knees and/or putting a lot of curvature at

L1-L4 you would expect to develop lower back pain.

Perhaps try a more " modest " forward fold -- try to lengthen your back

(straighten your lower back so fold originates at hip crease) and perhaps

not take your head as far forward/down as you might otherwise be inclined to

do.

 

-tom

 

On 6/1/07, kkizirnis <kkizirnis wrote:

>

> I've been practicing on & off for a few years and do the primary a

> couple times a week (I know

> it should be more).

> I also take an anusara class here & there, power vinyasa, a little yin. I

> have significant low

> back pain the day after doing the primary, but not after any other

> classes, no matter how

> rigorous.... even after a day full of backbends at a Baptiste intensive.

>

> Sometimes doing some twists after all those u. dhanurasanas helps a

> little, but not entirely.

> Anyone else?

>

>

>

 

 

 

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Dear Tom,

For Lower Back Pain :

1. DO SNACK AND SALABH ASAN AND MONKEY POSE(MARKAT ASAN)

2.DO NOT DO FORWARD BAND ASAN AND DONT LIFT LOAD.

WITH REGARDS,

JAYSESH JOSHI

YOGACHARYA

ZEN YOGADHARA

HATHA YOGA PRACTICE CENTER,

AHEMDABAD - INIDA

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... sounds like you might be collapsing your lower back when lowering into

chataranga.. its very common with beginners until you increase your strength

over time... its important to keep the body ridged when lowering and not to

allow the hips to drop first.. hope this helps.. mart :)

 

 

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>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 14:17:41 -0000

>

>I've been practicing on & off for a few years and do the primary a couple

>times a week (I know

>it should be more).

>I also take an anusara class here & there, power vinyasa, a little yin. I

>have significant low

>back pain the day after doing the primary, but not after any other classes,

>no matter how

>rigorous.... even after a day full of backbends at a Baptiste intensive.

>

>Sometimes doing some twists after all those u. dhanurasanas helps a little,

>but not entirely.

>Anyone else?

>

 

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As you say Tom, Primary has lots of forward bends in it, but for those who

are stuck in Primary, or not ready for Intermediate, it is easily possible

to introduce some more backbends to compensate for all the forward bends.

For example, in every surya namaskar and if possible in every vinyasa too,

hold every updog for five breaths (or more).

If you do this every chance you get, you will find that it does provide a

counter-pose for the forward bending.

Okay, it is slightly modifying Primary and the purists would object, but if

it means that those with back trouble can do Primary more easily and with

greater benefit, I'm pretty sure it would be acceptable.

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Even just being more aware of how you move thru the vinyasa would accomplish the

same

thing ( for the purists). People generally fly thru the vinyasa vs allowing each

asana to be

just that - an asana. Find the opening of the heart and shoulders in updog,

lengthen the

tailbone, stay long and lifted and the pain should subside. But Annie is right,

ashtanga is

based on a pose/counterpose system so for every forward bend, allow yourself to

enjoy a

back bend!

E

 

 

 

ashtangayoga , " Annie Gurton " <annie wrote:

>

> As you say Tom, Primary has lots of forward bends in it, but for those who

> are stuck in Primary, or not ready for Intermediate, it is easily possible

> to introduce some more backbends to compensate for all the forward bends.

> For example, in every surya namaskar and if possible in every vinyasa too,

> hold every updog for five breaths (or more).

> If you do this every chance you get, you will find that it does provide a

> counter-pose for the forward bending.

> Okay, it is slightly modifying Primary and the purists would object, but if

> it means that those with back trouble can do Primary more easily and with

> greater benefit, I'm pretty sure it would be acceptable.

> A

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Hi Annie

My recollection from a weekend intensive with David Williams is that he

recommended exactly what you recommend, and for the same reasons, to give a

backbend to those who may be still practicing only the Primary Series.

Cheers,

Arturo

 

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Posted by: " Annie Gurton " annie anniegurton

Fri Jun 8, 2007 10:25 pm (PST)

As you say Tom, Primary has lots of forward bends in it, but for those who

are stuck in Primary, or not ready for Intermediate, it is easily possible

to introduce some more backbends to compensate for all the forward bends.

For example, in every surya namaskar and if possible in every vinyasa too,

hold every updog for five breaths (or more).

If you do this every chance you get, you will find that it does provide a

counter-pose for the forward bending.

Okay, it is slightly modifying Primary and the purists would object, but if

it means that those with back trouble can do Primary more easily and with

greater benefit, I'm pretty sure it would be acceptable.

A

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Thanks for the expert advice, everyone! I was blaming backbends,

but I think you may be right; it's all the forward bending,

compounded by my moderate scoliosis, which I don't 'mind' as i should.

Namaste

Kathi

 

 

On Jun 12, 2007, at 11:04 AM, Arturo Veve wrote:

 

> Hi Annie

> My recollection from a weekend intensive with David Williams is

> that he recommended exactly what you recommend, and for the same

> reasons, to give a backbend to those who may be still practicing

> only the Primary Series.

> Cheers,

> Arturo

>

> Re: lower back pain

> Posted by: " Annie Gurton " annie anniegurton

> Fri Jun 8, 2007 10:25 pm (PST)

> As you say Tom, Primary has lots of forward bends in it, but for

> those who

> are stuck in Primary, or not ready for Intermediate, it is easily

> possible

> to introduce some more backbends to compensate for all the forward

> bends.

> For example, in every surya namaskar and if possible in every

> vinyasa too,

> hold every updog for five breaths (or more).

> If you do this every chance you get, you will find that it does

> provide a

> counter-pose for the forward bending.

> Okay, it is slightly modifying Primary and the purists would

> object, but if

> it means that those with back trouble can do Primary more easily

> and with

> greater benefit, I'm pretty sure it would be acceptable.

> A

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Sat Nam!

 

A couples of days ago I forced my back to finish a work (moving heavy

loads from a room to another one) and now, as I had to figure out, my

lower back hurts (now it's hard to me to walk in a natural way and to

bend forward).

 

My doctor told me to take some Voltaren pills and wait...but I care of

stomach as well of my back so I would ask you all if you know some

good exercise to relax the muscles of my back (now I have the feeling

of a twitch in my lower back), while I keep resting and put on that

area Arnica Oil.

 

Any idea will be fine! Thanx in advance.

 

Fateh Dharma!

 

Sujan S.

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I suffered that same injury. A massage therapist had me sit right at the edge

of the table take a hold of my knee to the chest, lay my torso back on the table

as she held down the other leg ( pulling on the illiopsoas muscle). then the

same for the other side. Next she had my entire body on the table an do lying

spinal twist and she would hold down the folded knee as she pushed at the hip

area. This really worked for me ,prior to this I could not make a move without

pain. Hope it does for you.

 

Harsevak Kaur

 

 

 

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Sat Nam!

 

A couples of days ago I forced my back to finish a work (moving heavy

loads from a room to another one) and now, as I had to figure out, my

lower back hurts (now it's hard to me to walk in a natural way and to

bend forward).

 

My doctor told me to take some Voltaren pills and wait...but I care of

stomach as well of my back so I would ask you all if you know some

good exercise to relax the muscles of my back (now I have the feeling

of a twitch in my lower back), while I keep resting and put on that

area Arnica Oil.

 

Any idea will be fine! Thanx in advance.

 

Fateh Dharma!

 

Sujan S.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Sujan,

 

What I do when it happens a lower back pain is that i massage very

profoundly the middle part of the sole of my feet, the arch and then the

whole. By rubbing our feet, one massages our whole body.

Try this:

 

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*

 

Wash your feet thoroughly with soap and warm water. Dry and sit in a

comfortable position so you can easily reach them.

 

Apply Arnica oil to one of your feet . I use the Arnica and Betula from

Welleda.

 

Start by gently rubbing the base of your toes then a slight pressure

between toes. Massage, stretch and pull each toe gently and rub each side

of the nails. Then massage the ball of your foot in a circular motion. Apply

gentle pressure on both sides of your heels below the ankle joints, followed

by circling around your ankle joint with both hands in a clockwise motion.

This improves circulation and the energy level of the body. Finally massage

your calf muscle to release tension. Repeat the same steps on your other

foot.

 

I suggest Ra Ma Da Sa chanting for at least 11 minutes as well.

 

May you be well and help others,

Dharam Kaur

 

 

 

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Dear Sujan Singh:

 

The best way I know when the back is over worked is simply to exercise

very simple stretches that help you feel the pain. The way I

understand it is that if you avoid the pain you send a signal to your

back that you don't need that area. Something like that! Whether it is

true or not my technique works. Also don't think negatively about how

it occurred or whether your back is taking too long or anything about

the pain. It is best to imagine the pain as part of the healing and be

grateful for it.

 

The stretches to do depend on which ones help you feel the pain so

they are up for you to discover. But be gentle as well and in

receptive mode, not in militaristic mode (but I guess you already know

that!)

 

Best wishes!

Awtar Singh

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Sat Nam Sujan Singh,

I'm just now coming out of a very hard week of lower back incapacity

and pain, where my best friends were a heating pad and my

acupuncturist/Chinese herbalist. This has happened a few times over the

years and, at times, have learned a lot about myself from the pain. This

time around I had to re-learn my need to 'assert' from my foundation.

This can be turned into an interpersonal drama if one isn't able to

" witness " OR it can be expressed simply by getting off one's own back

and breaking away from the predictable, whatever that may be. This can

take some time and certainly requires TAKING some space.

The one single thing that gave me big relief was the set on page 65

of Transitions to a Heart Centered World*. It's called " Clean Lymphatics

& Adjust Lower Back " . Absolutely masterful! is all I can say. Yogi

Bhajan gift continues to amaze me.

This set even addresses that primal need I had to " assert from my

foundation " . The whistling at the end is a special treat.

Yeah, whistling.....who would've thought about that?

The answer to that question is a 'Master'.

 

In Gratitude,

Dharam Singh

Millis, MA

 

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Sujan S. wrote:

 

>Sat Nam!

>

>A couples of days ago I forced my back to finish a work (moving heavy

>loads from a room to another one) and now, as I had to figure out, my

>lower back hurts (now it's hard to me to walk in a natural way and to

>bend forward).

>

>My doctor told me to take some Voltaren pills and wait...but I care of

>stomach as well of my back so I would ask you all if you know some

>good exercise to relax the muscles of my back (now I have the feeling

>of a twitch in my lower back), while I keep resting and put on that

>area Arnica Oil.

>

>Any idea will be fine! Thanx in advance.

>

>Fateh Dharma!

>

>Sujan S.

>

>

 

 

 

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" D h a r a m " <pranahsaurus

<Kundaliniyoga >

Wednesday, March 05, 2008 7:09 AM

Re: Kundalini Yoga Lower back pain

 

> Sat Nam Sujan Singh,

> I'm just now coming out of a very hard week of lower back incapacity

> and pain, where my best friends were a heating pad and my

> acupuncturist/Chinese herbalist. This has happened a few times over

> the years and, at times, have learned a lot about myself from the

> pain. This time around I had to re-learn my need to 'assert' from my

> foundation. This can be turned into an interpersonal drama if one

> isn't able to " witness " OR it can be expressed simply by getting off

> one's own back and breaking away from the predictable, whatever that

> may be. This can take some time and certainly requires TAKING some

> space.

 

Sat Nam!

 

First of all thank to you and all who replied to me.......

 

The hardest job I'm doing (I still didn't recover) is to deal with the

subtle issues behind my lower back pain (even my own hurted ego...something

as....«...how can be possible to have this kind of pain...me, a kundalini

yoga teacher!»).

 

But I'm trying to follow this way to see what I have to learn from this

moment......... :-)

 

> The one single thing that gave me big relief was the set on

> page 65

> of Transitions to a Heart Centered World*. It's called " Clean

> Lymphatics & Adjust Lower Back " . Absolutely masterful! is all I can

> say. Yogi Bhajan gift continues to amaze me.

 

For now I'm not able to do such pratices so I'm working especially with

mantra, meditations and few light stretching exercises.

 

I suggest everyone the book " Heal yor back now " (Nirvair Singh

Khalsa)....absolutely amazing!

 

Fateh Dharma!

 

Sujan Singh

http://www.yogajap.com

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> «...how can be possible to have this kind of pain...me, a kundalini

> yoga teacher!»).

>

Dear Sujan Singh:

 

You are not the only one! it happened to me at work one day as I read

to my left to pick up the phone and pulled a muscle at the level of my

shoulder blades.

 

Some back issues have to do with worries, but I am told they tend to

occur when the body is somewhat dehydrated. Someone associated with

Kundalini Yoga once told me that as soon as a back problem occurs one

should drink 4 glasses of water right away.

 

If this is your case, it may not be so embarrassing after all!

 

Blessings,

 

Awtar Singh

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