A CLARIFICATION on Agni Nakshathram

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Dear Memebrs :

 

Srimathy Jayasree Saranathan's excellent analysis in two parts

would be most interesting to many of You .It is my pleasure to

share these two postings with You .

 

V.Sadagopan

 

 

 

-

" Jayasree Saranathan " <jayasree.saranathan

 

 

 

SrI:

 

Respected bhagavathas,

 

Pranams.

 

Let me offer my understanding of agni nakshatram as a continuing

student of astrology and as one who is always interested in putting

vedic dharma into scientific and rational perspective. The following

contains interpretations from this writer's understanding based on

facts available. Any correction is welcome.

 

(1) As per astrology, agni nakshatram is the time when sun moves

through 7paadams starting from ni 3rd paadam to Rohini 1st paadam.

 

These are Bharani 3rd & 4th, all the 4 paadams of Kritthika and Rohini

1st paadam.

 

If we look at the paada chaaram (which can be understood by looking at

the placement in navamsa chart), sun in Bharani 3rd paadam means, the

sun will be in thula (libra) just opposite to mesha in navamsa. This

is sun's neecha (debilitation) point in navamsa.

 

As per astrology, the influence of any planet must be judged from the

paadam in which it is placed and this is displayed in navamsa.

 

If the sun is in thulaam in navamasa, it means its strength is zero.

>From thulaam to meenam, its strength increases gradually and at mesha

it gains its full strength.

This part of sun's movement from thulam to meenam is the descending

side of its chaaram (as we all know from the ahorathra concept that

there are always 2 sides, ascending and descending / uttrayana and

dhakshinayana etc).

 

As per the general rule in astrology which forbids conducting

auspicious events in descending or dhakshin ayana, this descending

chaaram of sun is considered to be unsuitable for auspicious events.

This rule is pronounecedly followed in the case of sun since it

happens to be atmakaraka, and the very lord of all gruhas and the

Giver of Life.

 

(2) Another way to look at it is that the movement of the gruhaas is

not always uniform, as seen from the earth. That is why we get to see

vakra chaaram (retrogade motion).

For planets other than the sun ( the sun is considered as a planet in

astrology), there happens 'sthamabhitham' or sudden stoppage before

and after retrogation when there will be no movement as seen from the

earth. In the case of the sun, the speed seems to be lowered during

this agni nakshtra period. This is because of the movement of the

earth which seems to cover the distance slowly when it is closer to

the sun (laws of planetary motion.) - case of closer to 'sthambhitham'

when auspicious events are not done.

 

(3) The traverse of the sun across every star is of some significance

and another popularly known traverse is the 'garbhOttam' which happens

when the sun travels through all the 4 paadams of pooraadam

(poorvashaada). The analysis of this will make us get some insight

into agni nakshatram.

 

This happens in maargazhi and is said to be the time when the sun

helps in drinking the water of the ocean so that there will be rains

in the rest of the year.

The ati devatha for poordam is varuna.

Interestingly, (if one observes) this time period is when

meteorologists say El nino factor occurs around the globe. As many as

30+ factors / parameters are noticed during this period in the

Pacific especially, that are said to determine the amount and spread

of rains for the year ahead.

Interestingly, this is the month of 'maargazhi neeradal' - a nOnbu

that had been in vogue in Ancient Tamil land (a number of proofs are

there in ancient literature) when young girls pray for rains!

 

Sri Andal who adopted this nOnbu for spiritual awakening retained the

core principle of this nOnbu of Tamil culture ( i am not bringing here

the Melayaar interpretations and Bhagavatham's kaarthyaayini nOnbu,

but only the purpose for which it was done in Ancient Tamil land) by

dedicating the 3rd and 4 th song to prayer for rain. (infact a thorugh

analysis of the 30 songs do reveal a pattern - prayer and sankalpa

in the 1st and 2nd, and in tandem with the goal of nOnbu that had been

in vogue, 3rd and 4th pasurams were dedicated to paryer for rains,

before proceeding to her message. There is every chance to believe

that the 3rd and 4th pasuram days belonged to sun moving through

pooradam in that period she sang, which makes it possible for us to

calculate her times. )

 

Similarly the agni nakshtra is the period having specific significance.

 

krittika is the star that is mainly covered.

 

According ancient scriptures, Krittika is the beginning of the zodiac

and not Ashwini.

 

The nakshatra sukta from Yajurveda, proves this:

 

" agnirnaH. pAtu kr.ttikAh..... " . [Krishna Yajurveda TaittirIya

brAhmaNa 4-4-4-10]

 

It starts praising dieties of stars from KrittikA(Agni - the creation)

to BharaNI(Yama - the death).

 

Further, the nakshatra sukta from AtharvaNa Veda [19-7-2,3,4,5]

 

" suhavam agne kR^ittikA rohiNI chAstu bhadraM mR^igashiraH sham ArdrA /

punarvasU sUnR^itA chAru puShyo bhAnur AshleShA ayanaM maghA me //2// "

 

Again it starts from KrittikA and ends in BharaNI! The above two

verses from different Vedas were compiled by different sages at

different times but still the order is the same!

To support it strongly, we have another proof in the above verse -

" AYANAM MAGHA ME " , which surely puts dakShiNAyana or Summer soltice

point at maghA star! Yes! Not Punarvasu-4th quarter as it is taken

now! Since this will atke us to other questions on ayanamsa, let me

come back to our point of interest.

 

Krittika is the starting star.

Krittika has Agni as its atidevatha!

But Bharani has yama as ati devatha!

After the lord of Death come the Lord of creation.

Since these overlap and conjoin (In the rasi chakra, there are groups

of 3 containing 4 rasis each. At aayilayam, kEttai and Revathy only,

the group end. At other cusps of rasis, there is continuity)

Therefore, the continuing Krittika from Mesha to Vrishabha will take

up both bharani and Rohini's influence.

 

The time when the kaaraka for Fire, the Mars rules (as moola thrikona)

, and the Sun as karaka for heat and dominance has moved out of its

uchha bala (sun attains deep exaltation at 10 degrees in Mesha at

Ashwini and starts losing its uccha from bharani onwards) and when

yama as atidevatha for Bharani and Agni as ati deata for Krittika are

ruling, the time is not meant for auspicious events.

 

Another way to look at it is though Krittika is meant for Creation and

its ati devatha Agni is supposed to be a Giver, the main Giver, the

Sun losing its immediate uccha bala will tend to put things at the

reverse.

 

Another way is that the 27 the star is to be discared / disregarded

/and the immediate next also is to be disregarded and therefore the

preceeding and succedding star paadams of Krittika are to be

disregarded for auspicious events.

 

With Sun in descending node in these paadams it will reverse the

purpose of creation for which krittika stands and therefore the lunar

aspect of the month namely Vishaka whose lords are Indra and Agni (for

rains and creation = prosperity ) is chosen for celebration.

 

Since Subramanya is the Lord of Mesha maasam, and born in Krittika

with its qualities, agni nakshatra is important in his kshetras. It is

to be noted that this period is known for theertha kaavadi,

signifying a prayer for lowering the heat of the combination of sun,

mars and agni as devatha for Krittika.

 

(4) At another level, bharani stands for ancestors too. The Ati

devatha Yama desired, " May I win the lordship of the ancestors. " One

who makes the appropriate offering to Yama and to Bharani wins the

lordship of the ancestors and wins the lordship of his peers.

Therfore this period is not regarded for mundane events.

 

Regards,

 

jayasree saranathan

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Dear Members,

The explanations given by Srimathy Jayasree Saranathan is excellent.

She can definetely start a course on Horoscope which will benefit

every one. Dr.Sadagopan Swamin is doing wonderful job not only in

getting views from various learnered persons but also gives his views

on various interesting subjects. May his service continue with the

grace of Lord Narayana.

 

adiyen,

nochalur seshadri sampath.

 

 

 

 

Oppiliappan , " Dr. Sadagopan " <yennappan wrote:

>

> Dear Memebrs :

>

> Srimathy Jayasree Saranathan's excellent analysis in two parts

> would be most interesting to many of You .It is my pleasure to

> share these two postings with You .

>

> V.Sadagopan

>

>

>

> -

> " Jayasree Saranathan " <jayasree.saranathan

>

>

>

> SrI:

>

> Respected bhagavathas,

>

> Pranams.

>

> Let me offer my understanding of agni nakshatram as a continuing

> student of astrology and as one who is always interested in putting

> vedic dharma into scientific and rational perspective. The following

> contains interpretations from this writer's understanding based on

> facts available. Any correction is welcome.

>

> (1) As per astrology, agni nakshatram is the time when sun moves

> through 7paadams starting from ni 3rd paadam to Rohini 1st paadam.

>

> These are Bharani 3rd & 4th, all the 4 paadams of Kritthika and Rohini

> 1st paadam.

>

> If we look at the paada chaaram (which can be understood by looking at

> the placement in navamsa chart), sun in Bharani 3rd paadam means, the

> sun will be in thula (libra) just opposite to mesha in navamsa. This

> is sun's neecha (debilitation) point in navamsa.

>

> As per astrology, the influence of any planet must be judged from the

> paadam in which it is placed and this is displayed in navamsa.

>

> If the sun is in thulaam in navamasa, it means its strength is zero.

> >From thulaam to meenam, its strength increases gradually and at mesha

> it gains its full strength.

> This part of sun's movement from thulam to meenam is the descending

> side of its chaaram (as we all know from the ahorathra concept that

> there are always 2 sides, ascending and descending / uttrayana and

> dhakshinayana etc).

>

> As per the general rule in astrology which forbids conducting

> auspicious events in descending or dhakshin ayana, this descending

> chaaram of sun is considered to be unsuitable for auspicious events.

> This rule is pronounecedly followed in the case of sun since it

> happens to be atmakaraka, and the very lord of all gruhas and the

> Giver of Life.

>

> (2) Another way to look at it is that the movement of the gruhaas is

> not always uniform, as seen from the earth. That is why we get to see

> vakra chaaram (retrogade motion).

> For planets other than the sun ( the sun is considered as a planet in

> astrology), there happens 'sthamabhitham' or sudden stoppage before

> and after retrogation when there will be no movement as seen from the

> earth. In the case of the sun, the speed seems to be lowered during

> this agni nakshtra period. This is because of the movement of the

> earth which seems to cover the distance slowly when it is closer to

> the sun (laws of planetary motion.) - case of closer to 'sthambhitham'

> when auspicious events are not done.

>

> (3) The traverse of the sun across every star is of some significance

> and another popularly known traverse is the 'garbhOttam' which happens

> when the sun travels through all the 4 paadams of pooraadam

> (poorvashaada). The analysis of this will make us get some insight

> into agni nakshatram.

>

> This happens in maargazhi and is said to be the time when the sun

> helps in drinking the water of the ocean so that there will be rains

> in the rest of the year.

> The ati devatha for poordam is varuna.

> Interestingly, (if one observes) this time period is when

> meteorologists say El nino factor occurs around the globe. As many as

> 30+ factors / parameters are noticed during this period in the

> Pacific especially, that are said to determine the amount and spread

> of rains for the year ahead.

> Interestingly, this is the month of 'maargazhi neeradal' - a nOnbu

> that had been in vogue in Ancient Tamil land (a number of proofs are

> there in ancient literature) when young girls pray for rains!

>

> Sri Andal who adopted this nOnbu for spiritual awakening retained the

> core principle of this nOnbu of Tamil culture ( i am not bringing here

> the Melayaar interpretations and Bhagavatham's kaarthyaayini nOnbu,

> but only the purpose for which it was done in Ancient Tamil land) by

> dedicating the 3rd and 4 th song to prayer for rain. (infact a thorugh

> analysis of the 30 songs do reveal a pattern - prayer and sankalpa

> in the 1st and 2nd, and in tandem with the goal of nOnbu that had been

> in vogue, 3rd and 4th pasurams were dedicated to paryer for rains,

> before proceeding to her message. There is every chance to believe

> that the 3rd and 4th pasuram days belonged to sun moving through

> pooradam in that period she sang, which makes it possible for us to

> calculate her times. )

>

> Similarly the agni nakshtra is the period having specific significance.

>

> krittika is the star that is mainly covered.

>

> According ancient scriptures, Krittika is the beginning of the zodiac

> and not Ashwini.

>

> The nakshatra sukta from Yajurveda, proves this:

>

> " agnirnaH. pAtu kr.ttikAh..... " . [Krishna Yajurveda TaittirIya

> brAhmaNa 4-4-4-10]

>

> It starts praising dieties of stars from KrittikA(Agni - the creation)

> to BharaNI(Yama - the death).

>

> Further, the nakshatra sukta from AtharvaNa Veda [19-7-2,3,4,5]

>

> " suhavam agne kR^ittikA rohiNI chAstu bhadraM mR^igashiraH sham ArdrA /

> punarvasU sUnR^itA chAru puShyo bhAnur AshleShA ayanaM maghA me //2// "

>

> Again it starts from KrittikA and ends in BharaNI! The above two

> verses from different Vedas were compiled by different sages at

> different times but still the order is the same!

> To support it strongly, we have another proof in the above verse -

> " AYANAM MAGHA ME " , which surely puts dakShiNAyana or Summer soltice

> point at maghA star! Yes! Not Punarvasu-4th quarter as it is taken

> now! Since this will atke us to other questions on ayanamsa, let me

> come back to our point of interest.

>

> Krittika is the starting star.

> Krittika has Agni as its atidevatha!

> But Bharani has yama as ati devatha!

> After the lord of Death come the Lord of creation.

> Since these overlap and conjoin (In the rasi chakra, there are groups

> of 3 containing 4 rasis each. At aayilayam, kEttai and Revathy only,

> the group end. At other cusps of rasis, there is continuity)

> Therefore, the continuing Krittika from Mesha to Vrishabha will take

> up both bharani and Rohini's influence.

>

> The time when the kaaraka for Fire, the Mars rules (as moola thrikona)

> , and the Sun as karaka for heat and dominance has moved out of its

> uchha bala (sun attains deep exaltation at 10 degrees in Mesha at

> Ashwini and starts losing its uccha from bharani onwards) and when

> yama as atidevatha for Bharani and Agni as ati deata for Krittika are

> ruling, the time is not meant for auspicious events.

>

> Another way to look at it is though Krittika is meant for Creation and

> its ati devatha Agni is supposed to be a Giver, the main Giver, the

> Sun losing its immediate uccha bala will tend to put things at the

> reverse.

>

> Another way is that the 27 the star is to be discared / disregarded

> /and the immediate next also is to be disregarded and therefore the

> preceeding and succedding star paadams of Krittika are to be

> disregarded for auspicious events.

>

> With Sun in descending node in these paadams it will reverse the

> purpose of creation for which krittika stands and therefore the lunar

> aspect of the month namely Vishaka whose lords are Indra and Agni (for

> rains and creation = prosperity ) is chosen for celebration.

>

> Since Subramanya is the Lord of Mesha maasam, and born in Krittika

> with its qualities, agni nakshatra is important in his kshetras. It is

> to be noted that this period is known for theertha kaavadi,

> signifying a prayer for lowering the heat of the combination of sun,

> mars and agni as devatha for Krittika.

>

> (4) At another level, bharani stands for ancestors too. The Ati

> devatha Yama desired, " May I win the lordship of the ancestors. " One

> who makes the appropriate offering to Yama and to Bharani wins the

> lordship of the ancestors and wins the lordship of his peers.

> Therfore this period is not regarded for mundane events.

>

> Regards,

>

> jayasree saranathan

>

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Dear Swamin, I reiterate the suggestion of Sri Seshadri Sampath swami. Please start a course on Horoscope. Regards Raghunathannssampath123 <nssampath123 wrote: Dear Members,The explanations given by Srimathy Jayasree Saranathan is excellent.She can definetely start a course on Horoscope which will benefitevery one. Dr.Sadagopan Swamin is doing wonderful job not only ingetting views from various learnered persons

but also gives his viewson various interesting subjects. May his service continue with thegrace of Lord Narayana.adiyen,nochalur seshadri sampath.Oppiliappan , "Dr. Sadagopan" <yennappan wrote:>> Dear Memebrs :> > Srimathy Jayasree Saranathan's excellent analysis in two parts > would be most interesting to many of You .It is my pleasure to> share these two postings with You .> > V.Sadagopan > > > > - > "Jayasree Saranathan" <jayasree.saranathan> > > > SrI:> > Respected bhagavathas,> > Pranams.> > Let me offer my understanding of agni nakshatram as a continuing> student of astrology and as one who is always interested in putting>

vedic dharma into scientific and rational perspective. The following> contains interpretations from this writer's understanding based on> facts available. Any correction is welcome.> > (1) As per astrology, agni nakshatram is the time when sun moves> through 7paadams starting from ni 3rd paadam to Rohini 1st paadam.> > These are Bharani 3rd & 4th, all the 4 paadams of Kritthika and Rohini> 1st paadam.> > If we look at the paada chaaram (which can be understood by looking at> the placement in navamsa chart), sun in Bharani 3rd paadam means, the> sun will be in thula (libra) just opposite to mesha in navamsa. This> is sun's neecha (debilitation) point in navamsa.> > As per astrology, the influence of any planet must be judged from the> paadam in which it is placed and this is displayed in navamsa.> > If the sun is in thulaam in navamasa, it means

its strength is zero.> >From thulaam to meenam, its strength increases gradually and at mesha> it gains its full strength.> This part of sun's movement from thulam to meenam is the descending> side of its chaaram (as we all know from the ahorathra concept that> there are always 2 sides, ascending and descending / uttrayana and> dhakshinayana etc).> > As per the general rule in astrology which forbids conducting> auspicious events in descending or dhakshin ayana, this descending> chaaram of sun is considered to be unsuitable for auspicious events.> This rule is pronounecedly followed in the case of sun since it> happens to be atmakaraka, and the very lord of all gruhas and the> Giver of Life.> > (2) Another way to look at it is that the movement of the gruhaas is> not always uniform, as seen from the earth. That is why we get to see> vakra chaaram

(retrogade motion).> For planets other than the sun ( the sun is considered as a planet in> astrology), there happens 'sthamabhitham' or sudden stoppage before> and after retrogation when there will be no movement as seen from the> earth. In the case of the sun, the speed seems to be lowered during> this agni nakshtra period. This is because of the movement of the> earth which seems to cover the distance slowly when it is closer to> the sun (laws of planetary motion.) - case of closer to 'sthambhitham'> when auspicious events are not done.> > (3) The traverse of the sun across every star is of some significance> and another popularly known traverse is the 'garbhOttam' which happens> when the sun travels through all the 4 paadams of pooraadam> (poorvashaada). The analysis of this will make us get some insight> into agni nakshatram.> > This happens in

maargazhi and is said to be the time when the sun> helps in drinking the water of the ocean so that there will be rains> in the rest of the year.> The ati devatha for poordam is varuna.> Interestingly, (if one observes) this time period is when> meteorologists say El nino factor occurs around the globe. As many as> 30+ factors / parameters are noticed during this period in the> Pacific especially, that are said to determine the amount and spread> of rains for the year ahead.> Interestingly, this is the month of 'maargazhi neeradal' - a nOnbu> that had been in vogue in Ancient Tamil land (a number of proofs are> there in ancient literature) when young girls pray for rains!> > Sri Andal who adopted this nOnbu for spiritual awakening retained the> core principle of this nOnbu of Tamil culture ( i am not bringing here> the Melayaar interpretations and Bhagavatham's

kaarthyaayini nOnbu,> but only the purpose for which it was done in Ancient Tamil land) by> dedicating the 3rd and 4 th song to prayer for rain. (infact a thorugh> analysis of the 30 songs do reveal a pattern - prayer and sankalpa> in the 1st and 2nd, and in tandem with the goal of nOnbu that had been> in vogue, 3rd and 4th pasurams were dedicated to paryer for rains,> before proceeding to her message. There is every chance to believe> that the 3rd and 4th pasuram days belonged to sun moving through> pooradam in that period she sang, which makes it possible for us to> calculate her times. )> > Similarly the agni nakshtra is the period having specific significance.> > krittika is the star that is mainly covered.> > According ancient scriptures, Krittika is the beginning of the zodiac> and not Ashwini.> > The nakshatra sukta from Yajurveda, proves

this:> > "agnirnaH. pAtu kr.ttikAh.....". [Krishna Yajurveda TaittirIya> brAhmaNa 4-4-4-10]> > It starts praising dieties of stars from KrittikA(Agni - the creation)> to BharaNI(Yama - the death).> > Further, the nakshatra sukta from AtharvaNa Veda [19-7-2,3,4,5]> > "suhavam agne kR^ittikA rohiNI chAstu bhadraM mR^igashiraH sham ArdrA /> punarvasU sUnR^itA chAru puShyo bhAnur AshleShA ayanaM maghA me //2//"> > Again it starts from KrittikA and ends in BharaNI! The above two> verses from different Vedas were compiled by different sages at> different times but still the order is the same!> To support it strongly, we have another proof in the above verse -> "AYANAM MAGHA ME", which surely puts dakShiNAyana or Summer soltice> point at maghA star! Yes! Not Punarvasu-4th quarter as it is taken> now! Since this will atke us to other

questions on ayanamsa, let me> come back to our point of interest.> > Krittika is the starting star.> Krittika has Agni as its atidevatha!> But Bharani has yama as ati devatha!> After the lord of Death come the Lord of creation.> Since these overlap and conjoin (In the rasi chakra, there are groups> of 3 containing 4 rasis each. At aayilayam, kEttai and Revathy only,> the group end. At other cusps of rasis, there is continuity)> Therefore, the continuing Krittika from Mesha to Vrishabha will take> up both bharani and Rohini's influence.> > The time when the kaaraka for Fire, the Mars rules (as moola thrikona)> , and the Sun as karaka for heat and dominance has moved out of its> uchha bala (sun attains deep exaltation at 10 degrees in Mesha at> Ashwini and starts losing its uccha from bharani onwards) and when> yama as atidevatha for Bharani and Agni as ati

deata for Krittika are> ruling, the time is not meant for auspicious events.> > Another way to look at it is though Krittika is meant for Creation and> its ati devatha Agni is supposed to be a Giver, the main Giver, the> Sun losing its immediate uccha bala will tend to put things at the> reverse.> > Another way is that the 27 the star is to be discared / disregarded> /and the immediate next also is to be disregarded and therefore the> preceeding and succedding star paadams of Krittika are to be> disregarded for auspicious events.> > With Sun in descending node in these paadams it will reverse the> purpose of creation for which krittika stands and therefore the lunar> aspect of the month namely Vishaka whose lords are Indra and Agni (for> rains and creation = prosperity ) is chosen for celebration.> > Since Subramanya is the Lord of Mesha maasam, and

born in Krittika> with its qualities, agni nakshatra is important in his kshetras. It is> to be noted that this period is known for theertha kaavadi,> signifying a prayer for lowering the heat of the combination of sun,> mars and agni as devatha for Krittika.> > (4) At another level, bharani stands for ancestors too. The Ati> devatha Yama desired, "May I win the lordship of the ancestors." One> who makes the appropriate offering to Yama and to Bharani wins the> lordship of the ancestors and wins the lordship of his peers.> Therfore this period is not regarded for mundane events.> > Regards,> > jayasree saranathan>

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Smt. Jayasree Saranathan has been a excellent contibutor over the years. Her knowledge is vast. I kindly request her to start the course on Astrology. Dasan, Jayakrishnaraghunathan r <rraghunathan_in wrote: Dear Swamin, I reiterate the suggestion of Sri Seshadri Sampath swami. Please start a course on Horoscope. Regards Raghunathannssampath123

<nssampath123 > wrote: Dear Members,The explanations given by Srimathy Jayasree Saranathan is excellent.She can definetely start a course on Horoscope which will benefitevery one. Dr.Sadagopan Swamin is doing wonderful job not only ingetting views from various learnered persons but also gives his viewson various interesting subjects. May his service continue with thegrace of Lord Narayana.adiyen,nochalur seshadri sampath.Oppiliappan , "Dr. Sadagopan" <yennappan wrote:>> Dear Memebrs :> > Srimathy Jayasree Saranathan's excellent analysis in two parts > would be most interesting to many of You .It is my pleasure to> share these two postings with

You .> > V.Sadagopan > > > > - > "Jayasree Saranathan" <jayasree.saranathan> > > > SrI:> > Respected bhagavathas,> > Pranams.> > Let me offer my understanding of agni nakshatram as a continuing> student of astrology and as one who is always interested in putting> vedic dharma into scientific and rational perspective. The following> contains interpretations from this writer's understanding based on> facts available. Any correction is welcome.> > (1) As per astrology, agni nakshatram is the time when sun moves> through 7paadams starting from ni 3rd paadam to Rohini 1st paadam.> > These are Bharani 3rd & 4th, all the 4 paadams of Kritthika and Rohini> 1st paadam.> > If we look at the paada chaaram (which can be understood by

looking at> the placement in navamsa chart), sun in Bharani 3rd paadam means, the> sun will be in thula (libra) just opposite to mesha in navamsa. This> is sun's neecha (debilitation) point in navamsa.> > As per astrology, the influence of any planet must be judged from the> paadam in which it is placed and this is displayed in navamsa.> > If the sun is in thulaam in navamasa, it means its strength is zero.> >From thulaam to meenam, its strength increases gradually and at mesha> it gains its full strength.> This part of sun's movement from thulam to meenam is the descending> side of its chaaram (as we all know from the ahorathra concept that> there are always 2 sides, ascending and descending / uttrayana and> dhakshinayana etc).> > As per the general rule in astrology which forbids conducting> auspicious events in descending or dhakshin ayana, this

descending> chaaram of sun is considered to be unsuitable for auspicious events.> This rule is pronounecedly followed in the case of sun since it> happens to be atmakaraka, and the very lord of all gruhas and the> Giver of Life.> > (2) Another way to look at it is that the movement of the gruhaas is> not always uniform, as seen from the earth. That is why we get to see> vakra chaaram (retrogade motion).> For planets other than the sun ( the sun is considered as a planet in> astrology), there happens 'sthamabhitham' or sudden stoppage before> and after retrogation when there will be no movement as seen from the> earth. In the case of the sun, the speed seems to be lowered during> this agni nakshtra period. This is because of the movement of the> earth which seems to cover the distance slowly when it is closer to> the sun (laws of planetary motion.) - case of closer to

'sthambhitham'> when auspicious events are not done.> > (3) The traverse of the sun across every star is of some significance> and another popularly known traverse is the 'garbhOttam' which happens> when the sun travels through all the 4 paadams of pooraadam> (poorvashaada). The analysis of this will make us get some insight> into agni nakshatram.> > This happens in maargazhi and is said to be the time when the sun> helps in drinking the water of the ocean so that there will be rains> in the rest of the year.> The ati devatha for poordam is varuna.> Interestingly, (if one observes) this time period is when> meteorologists say El nino factor occurs around the globe. As many as> 30+ factors / parameters are noticed during this period in the> Pacific especially, that are said to determine the amount and spread> of rains for the year ahead.>

Interestingly, this is the month of 'maargazhi neeradal' - a nOnbu> that had been in vogue in Ancient Tamil land (a number of proofs are> there in ancient literature) when young girls pray for rains!> > Sri Andal who adopted this nOnbu for spiritual awakening retained the> core principle of this nOnbu of Tamil culture ( i am not bringing here> the Melayaar interpretations and Bhagavatham's kaarthyaayini nOnbu,> but only the purpose for which it was done in Ancient Tamil land) by> dedicating the 3rd and 4 th song to prayer for rain. (infact a thorugh> analysis of the 30 songs do reveal a pattern - prayer and sankalpa> in the 1st and 2nd, and in tandem with the goal of nOnbu that had been> in vogue, 3rd and 4th pasurams were dedicated to paryer for rains,> before proceeding to her message. There is every chance to believe> that the 3rd and 4th pasuram days belonged to sun moving

through> pooradam in that period she sang, which makes it possible for us to> calculate her times. )> > Similarly the agni nakshtra is the period having specific significance.> > krittika is the star that is mainly covered.> > According ancient scriptures, Krittika is the beginning of the zodiac> and not Ashwini.> > The nakshatra sukta from Yajurveda, proves this:> > "agnirnaH. pAtu kr.ttikAh.....". [Krishna Yajurveda TaittirIya> brAhmaNa 4-4-4-10]> > It starts praising dieties of stars from KrittikA(Agni - the creation)> to BharaNI(Yama - the death).> > Further, the nakshatra sukta from AtharvaNa Veda [19-7-2,3,4,5]> > "suhavam agne kR^ittikA rohiNI chAstu bhadraM mR^igashiraH sham ArdrA /> punarvasU sUnR^itA chAru puShyo bhAnur AshleShA ayanaM maghA me //2//"> > Again it starts from KrittikA and

ends in BharaNI! The above two> verses from different Vedas were compiled by different sages at> different times but still the order is the same!> To support it strongly, we have another proof in the above verse -> "AYANAM MAGHA ME", which surely puts dakShiNAyana or Summer soltice> point at maghA star! Yes! Not Punarvasu-4th quarter as it is taken> now! Since this will atke us to other questions on ayanamsa, let me> come back to our point of interest.> > Krittika is the starting star.> Krittika has Agni as its atidevatha!> But Bharani has yama as ati devatha!> After the lord of Death come the Lord of creation.> Since these overlap and conjoin (In the rasi chakra, there are groups> of 3 containing 4 rasis each. At aayilayam, kEttai and Revathy only,> the group end. At other cusps of rasis, there is continuity)> Therefore, the continuing Krittika from Mesha to

Vrishabha will take> up both bharani and Rohini's influence.> > The time when the kaaraka for Fire, the Mars rules (as moola thrikona)> , and the Sun as karaka for heat and dominance has moved out of its> uchha bala (sun attains deep exaltation at 10 degrees in Mesha at> Ashwini and starts losing its uccha from bharani onwards) and when> yama as atidevatha for Bharani and Agni as ati deata for Krittika are> ruling, the time is not meant for auspicious events.> > Another way to look at it is though Krittika is meant for Creation and> its ati devatha Agni is supposed to be a Giver, the main Giver, the> Sun losing its immediate uccha bala will tend to put things at the> reverse.> > Another way is that the 27 the star is to be discared / disregarded> /and the immediate next also is to be disregarded and therefore the> preceeding and succedding star paadams of

Krittika are to be> disregarded for auspicious events.> > With Sun in descending node in these paadams it will reverse the> purpose of creation for which krittika stands and therefore the lunar> aspect of the month namely Vishaka whose lords are Indra and Agni (for> rains and creation = prosperity ) is chosen for celebration.> > Since Subramanya is the Lord of Mesha maasam, and born in Krittika> with its qualities, agni nakshatra is important in his kshetras. It is> to be noted that this period is known for theertha kaavadi,> signifying a prayer for lowering the heat of the combination of sun,> mars and agni as devatha for Krittika.> > (4) At another level, bharani stands for ancestors too. The Ati> devatha Yama desired, "May I win the lordship of the ancestors." One> who makes the appropriate offering to Yama and to Bharani wins the> lordship of the

ancestors and wins the lordship of his peers.> Therfore this period is not regarded for mundane events.> > Regards,> > jayasree saranathan> Don't be flakey. Get Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends.

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Dear Members :

 

Indeed Smy.Jayashree Saranathan

shares with us scholarly inputs

based on her intensive research .

 

It is a good idea to start another web

site to teach the fundamentals of

JyOthisham , where interested

parties can join in and benefit .

 

V.Sadagopan

 

-

Maruthi-Jaya Devaki-Venkata

Oppiliappan

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 6:18 PM

Re: Re: A CLARIFICATION on Agni Nakshathram

 

Smt. Jayasree Saranathan has been a excellent contibutor over the years. Her knowledge is vast. I kindly request her to start the course on Astrology.

 

Dasan, Jayakrishnaraghunathan r <rraghunathan_in wrote:

 

 

 

Dear Swamin,

 

I reiterate the suggestion of Sri Seshadri Sampath swami. Please start a course on Horoscope.

 

Regards

Raghunathannssampath123 <nssampath123 > wrote:

 

 

Dear Members,The explanations given by Srimathy Jayasree Saranathan is excellent.She can definetely start a course on Horoscope which will benefitevery one. Dr.Sadagopan Swamin is doing wonderful job not only ingetting views from various learnered persons but also gives his viewson various interesting subjects. May his service continue with thegrace of Lord Narayana.adiyen,nochalur seshadri sampath.Oppiliappan , "Dr. Sadagopan" <yennappan wrote:>> Dear Memebrs :> > Srimathy Jayasree Saranathan's excellent analysis in two parts > would be most interesting to many of You .It is my pleasure to> share these two postings with You .> > V.Sadagopan > > > > - > "Jayasree Saranathan" <jayasree.saranathan> > > > SrI:> > Respected bhagavathas,> > Pranams.> > Let me offer my understanding of agni nakshatram as a continuing> student of astrology and as one who is always interested in putting> vedic dharma into scientific and rational perspective. The following> contains interpretations from this writer's understanding based on> facts available. Any correction is welcome.> > (1) As per astrology, agni nakshatram is the time when sun moves> through 7paadams starting from ni 3rd paadam to Rohini 1st paadam.> > These are Bharani 3rd & 4th, all the 4 paadams of Kritthika and Rohini> 1st paadam.> > If we look at the paada chaaram (which can be understood by looking at> the placement in navamsa chart), sun in Bharani 3rd paadam means, the> sun will be in thula (libra) just opposite to mesha in navamsa. This> is sun's neecha (debilitation) point in navamsa.> > As per astrology, the influence of any planet must be judged from the> paadam in which it is placed and this is displayed in navamsa.> > If the sun is in thulaam in navamasa, it means its strength is zero.> >From thulaam to meenam, its strength increases gradually and at mesha> it gains its full strength.> This part of sun's movement from thulam to meenam is the descending> side of its chaaram (as we all know from the ahorathra concept that> there are always 2 sides, ascending and descending / uttrayana and> dhakshinayana etc).> > As per the general rule in astrology which forbids conducting> auspicious events in descending or dhakshin ayana, this descending> chaaram of sun is considered to be unsuitable for auspicious events.> This rule is pronounecedly followed in the case of sun since it> happens to be atmakaraka, and the very lord of all gruhas and the> Giver of Life.> > (2) Another way to look at it is that the movement of the gruhaas is> not always uniform, as seen from the earth. That is why we get to see> vakra chaaram (retrogade motion).> For planets other than the sun ( the sun is considered as a planet in> astrology), there happens 'sthamabhitham' or sudden stoppage before> and after retrogation when there will be no movement as seen from the> earth. In the case of the sun, the speed seems to be lowered during> this agni nakshtra period. This is because of the movement of the> earth which seems to cover the distance slowly when it is closer to> the sun (laws of planetary motion.) - case of closer to 'sthambhitham'> when auspicious events are not done.> > (3) The traverse of the sun across every star is of some significance> and another popularly known traverse is the 'garbhOttam' which happens> when the sun travels through all the 4 paadams of pooraadam> (poorvashaada). The analysis of this will make us get some insight> into agni nakshatram.> > This happens in maargazhi and is said to be the time when the sun> helps in drinking the water of the ocean so that there will be rains> in the rest of the year.> The ati devatha for poordam is varuna.> Interestingly, (if one observes) this time period is when> meteorologists say El nino factor occurs around the globe. As many as> 30+ factors / parameters are noticed during this period in the> Pacific especially, that are said to determine the amount and spread> of rains for the year ahead.> Interestingly, this is the month of 'maargazhi neeradal' - a nOnbu> that had been in vogue in Ancient Tamil land (a number of proofs are> there in ancient literature) when young girls pray for rains!> > Sri Andal who adopted this nOnbu for spiritual awakening retained the> core principle of this nOnbu of Tamil culture ( i am not bringing here> the Melayaar interpretations and Bhagavatham's kaarthyaayini nOnbu,> but only the purpose for which it was done in Ancient Tamil land) by> dedicating the 3rd and 4 th song to prayer for rain. (infact a thorugh> analysis of the 30 songs do reveal a pattern - prayer and sankalpa> in the 1st and 2nd, and in tandem with the goal of nOnbu that had been> in vogue, 3rd and 4th pasurams were dedicated to paryer for rains,> before proceeding to her message. There is every chance to believe> that the 3rd and 4th pasuram days belonged to sun moving through> pooradam in that period she sang, which makes it possible for us to> calculate her times. )> > Similarly the agni nakshtra is the period having specific significance.> > krittika is the star that is mainly covered.> > According ancient scriptures, Krittika is the beginning of the zodiac> and not Ashwini.> > The nakshatra sukta from Yajurveda, proves this:> > "agnirnaH. pAtu kr.ttikAh.....". [Krishna Yajurveda TaittirIya> brAhmaNa 4-4-4-10]> > It starts praising dieties of stars from KrittikA(Agni - the creation)> to BharaNI(Yama - the death).> > Further, the nakshatra sukta from AtharvaNa Veda [19-7-2,3,4,5]> > "suhavam agne kR^ittikA rohiNI chAstu bhadraM mR^igashiraH sham ArdrA /> punarvasU sUnR^itA chAru puShyo bhAnur AshleShA ayanaM maghA me //2//"> > Again it starts from KrittikA and ends in BharaNI! The above two> verses from different Vedas were compiled by different sages at> different times but still the order is the same!> To support it strongly, we have another proof in the above verse -> "AYANAM MAGHA ME", which surely puts dakShiNAyana or Summer soltice> point at maghA star! Yes! Not Punarvasu-4th quarter as it is taken> now! Since this will atke us to other questions on ayanamsa, let me> come back to our point of interest.> > Krittika is the starting star.> Krittika has Agni as its atidevatha!> But Bharani has yama as ati devatha!> After the lord of Death come the Lord of creation.> Since these overlap and conjoin (In the rasi chakra, there are groups> of 3 containing 4 rasis each. At aayilayam, kEttai and Revathy only,> the group end. At other cusps of rasis, there is continuity)> Therefore, the continuing Krittika from Mesha to Vrishabha will take> up both bharani and Rohini's influence.> > The time when the kaaraka for Fire, the Mars rules (as moola thrikona)> , and the Sun as karaka for heat and dominance has moved out of its> uchha bala (sun attains deep exaltation at 10 degrees in Mesha at> Ashwini and starts losing its uccha from bharani onwards) and when> yama as atidevatha for Bharani and Agni as ati deata for Krittika are> ruling, the time is not meant for auspicious events.> > Another way to look at it is though Krittika is meant for Creation and> its ati devatha Agni is supposed to be a Giver, the main Giver, the> Sun losing its immediate uccha bala will tend to put things at the> reverse.> > Another way is that the 27 the star is to be discared / disregarded> /and the immediate next also is to be disregarded and therefore the> preceeding and succedding star paadams of Krittika are to be> disregarded for auspicious events.> > With Sun in descending node in these paadams it will reverse the> purpose of creation for which krittika stands and therefore the lunar> aspect of the month namely Vishaka whose lords are Indra and Agni (for> rains and creation = prosperity ) is chosen for celebration.> > Since Subramanya is the Lord of Mesha maasam, and born in Krittika> with its qualities, agni nakshatra is important in his kshetras. It is> to be noted that this period is known for theertha kaavadi,> signifying a prayer for lowering the heat of the combination of sun,> mars and agni as devatha for Krittika.> > (4) At another level, bharani stands for ancestors too. The Ati> devatha Yama desired, "May I win the lordship of the ancestors." One> who makes the appropriate offering to Yama and to Bharani wins the> lordship of the ancestors and wins the lordship of his peers.> Therfore this period is not regarded for mundane events.> > Regards,> > jayasree saranathan>

 

 

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Respected all,

Please accept my humble pranams.

 

It is not an exageration to say that I am flabbergasted by the

responses to my mails on agni nakshathram. May all the praises go to

the feet of Rama. May my Atma-Raman guide me in the right path with

the right thinking.

 

What I have done is just touching the tip of an iceberg. Astrology is

too vast that a life time is not enough to understand it corretcly.

 

My interest in it is centred around searching and understanding

 

(1) how this vedanga works as a tool in God's scheme of sustaining

this Creation and Its beings, in addition to / in tandem with one's

karma and the three gunas which decide the way one's life must go and

 

(2) also the way our Dharma has been designed incorporating the

eternal truths embedded in astrology-concepts.

 

For instance, there was a query posted in this group (or sister

groups)sometime ago on why camels were exhibited along with Hanuman.

We didnt get any convincing explanation though it is true that in some

temples, Hanuman is seen with camels!

 

But in astrology there is one place where camels are spoken about.

Many will be surprised to know that one of the Nava naayakas ((one of

the 7 planets)Lord over the camels every year.

 

If you look at the Panchangam of any year, you will find one

portfolio, called Dhaanyaadhipathi, given responsibility for camels.

My interest is to look for clues wherever possible, in astrology, for

the queries in vedanta and about god.

 

When I look at this Dhaanyaadhipathi, I am astonished to find that the

dhaanyaadhipathi is decided by the planet ruling the first day of the

month of Maargazhi. Margazhi reminds of 3 cosmological events,

Vaikunta ekadasi, Arudra dharshanam and Hanumath Jayanthi!

 

Hanuman is said to be Rudra amsam and the first day of this month in

which Arudra is sighted and in which Hamuan was born is the Ruler of

Camels! So connection can be seen with Hanuman and camels! Is there

any thing more to this is the way I look at astrology.

 

Other such attempts are agni nakshathra and garbOttam connecting 3rd

and 4rd pasuram of Thiruppavai.

 

Whenever an opportunity arises and whenever I stumble upon such

conenctions and interpretations, I will certainly share with all.

But to contribute to helping others understand astrology - I must

humbly say that my knowledge is very much limited.

 

But the internet is a vast source for learners of astrology in that

most authentic texts of yore are found in the net. There are many

websites that teach astrology.If Oppiliappan swami starts some group

for astrology, he can certainly rope in many stalwarts to the benefit

of all.

And this squirrel's contribuition will of course be there:-)

 

With pranams and regards,

jayasree saranathan.

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Respected Madam, You have mentioned that there are many web sites that teach astrology. To my little knowledge, the subject of astrology as we know and practice in south is different from that of what is practised elsewhere and abroad. Keping this in view, can you please suggest a couple of web sites to learn astrology therefrom as per our system? Thanks in advance Raghunathanjayasartn <jayasree.saranathan wrote: SrI:Respected all,Please accept my humble pranams.It is not an exageration to say that I am flabbergasted by theresponses to my mails on agni nakshathram. May all the praises go tothe feet of Rama. May my Atma-Raman guide me in the right path withthe right thinking.What I have done is just touching the tip of an iceberg. Astrology istoo vast that a life time is not enough to understand it corretcly.My interest in it is centred around searching and understanding (1) how this vedanga works as a tool in God's scheme of sustainingthis Creation and Its beings, in addition to / in tandem with one'skarma and the three gunas which decide the way one's life must go and(2) also the way our Dharma has been designed incorporating theeternal truths embedded in astrology-concepts.For instance, there was a query posted in this group (or sistergroups)sometime ago on why camels were exhibited

along with Hanuman.We didnt get any convincing explanation though it is true that in sometemples, Hanuman is seen with camels!But in astrology there is one place where camels are spoken about.Many will be surprised to know that one of the Nava naayakas ((one ofthe 7 planets)Lord over the camels every year.If you look at the Panchangam of any year, you will find oneportfolio, called Dhaanyaadhipathi, given responsibility for camels.My interest is to look for clues wherever possible, in astrology, forthe queries in vedanta and about god.When I look at this Dhaanyaadhipathi, I am astonished to find that thedhaanyaadhipathi is decided by the planet ruling the first day of themonth of Maargazhi. Margazhi reminds of 3 cosmological events,Vaikunta ekadasi, Arudra dharshanam and Hanumath Jayanthi!Hanuman is said to be Rudra amsam and the first day of this month inwhich Arudra is sighted and in which Hamuan

was born is the Ruler ofCamels! So connection can be seen with Hanuman and camels! Is thereany thing more to this is the way I look at astrology.Other such attempts are agni nakshathra and garbOttam connecting 3rdand 4rd pasuram of Thiruppavai.Whenever an opportunity arises and whenever I stumble upon suchconenctions and interpretations, I will certainly share with all.But to contribute to helping others understand astrology - I musthumbly say that my knowledge is very much limited. But the internet is a vast source for learners of astrology in thatmost authentic texts of yore are found in the net. There are manywebsites that teach astrology.If Oppiliappan swami starts some groupfor astrology, he can certainly rope in many stalwarts to the benefitof all.And this squirrel's contribuition will of course be there:-)With pranams and regards,jayasree

saranathan.

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SrI:

 

Let me give 2 links sent by Smt krishnapriya.

 

http://www.zodiacastrology.blogspot.com/

 

http://www.astrologiavedica.com/

 

The following has interesting articles.

 

http://www.astrology-and-science.com/

 

 

 

Also, the classic works of Parashara, Jaimini and Varahamihira are

there on the net. You can google search to find more of them. For

beginners BV. Raman's book on Introduction to astrology is good.

 

regards.

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SrI:

 

Respected Swamin,

 

I am back with some more inputs on agni nakshathra after a discussion

with my teachers.

 

In the book, " Utthara KAlAmrutham " , it is said that agni nakshathra is

Krittika star and the duration of sun's movement through all the 4

padas of krittika is agni nakshathra dosham.

 

In " Brihat JAthakam " by Varahamihira also there is mention of agni

nakshathra dosham. Beyond this, the computation of agni nakshathra is

left with the interpretors.

 

Many schools of thought have sprung up based on diverse

interpretations, each based on some logic.

 

One is that the agni nakshthra dosha kaalam is 21 days. (There is

difference between agni nakshathra and agni nakshthra dosham.) This is

widely accepted concept. This is based on the premise that the effect

of any planetary movement starts one paadam before it actaully enters

a star and ends 1 paadam after it leaves.

 

In the case of agni nakshathra dosham calculation, the similar rule is

applied. The addition of 1 paadam before before and after krittika is

done. This comes to 21 days. So as per Utthatra kaalamrutham the

dosham is for 21 days only.

 

I was told that there is mention of 21- day agni nakshathra dosham in

many ancient texts.

The vakhya panchanga writers have developed their scheme with this 21

- day duration as the basis and added further 1 paada before and after

this period. That is why they have approximately 28-day duration for

agni nakshathra. Actually this must be read as agni nakshathra dosham

period.

 

Another school of thought that is followed by non- vakhya panchangam

writers is the rule I mentioned in previous mails - starting from

Bahrani-3 to Rohini 1. One kind of rationale has been explained by me

in the mail. The Rashtriya panchanga and all drik ganitha panchanga

follow this rule. Rohini being a sthira nakshathra which is the first

rate benefic for auspicious sthira kaaryams, there is no need to bring

it to dosham period beyond the justifiable limit. So most schools do

not accept to bring Rohini-2 within dosham period.

 

Now what is this dosham mentioned in texts?

This dosham is mentioned in the context of vivaha muhurtham. We deduce

then that the heat of the period must have been a cause of concern

for the framers of this rule.We can overcome this in this present day

world of modern gadgets.

 

BUT, the dosham seems to apply to mega events. This dosham pertains to

the devatha of the stars under consideration who, coupled with sun's

charam are capable influencing terrestrial events (like in garbOttam

as explained in one of my previous mails)

 

One corrollary I can think of is with reference to Kaala sarpa dosham

about which a research is going on. As per texts and corroborative

eveidence from terrestrial and mundane affairs, it is seen that this

dosham (when all planets come in between rahu and ketu, the 2 nodes of

moon's orbit cutting earth's path) has greater implication on the

earth, like, causing massive destruction by floods, tsunamis, earth

quakes etc than on individuals. For the individual, the dosham is

interpreted in 8 different ways, of varying degrees of implication.

 

Similarly, the combined agni and ugram of the sun and the presiding

deities of krittika bharani and aries make this period particularly

annoying in an otherwise auspicious Vasantha Rithu which is the time

for coronations, kumbhabhishekams and Brahma uthsavams. The timing of

these events do take into consideration agni nakshathra dosham.

 

At the mundane level, particularly for vivaha muhurtham, there are

other factors such as position of guru and shukra, which take up

primacy over sun's chaaram. So vivahas can be conducted inspite of

this dosham since, the rithu counts more than the actual position of

the sun and guru- shukra position is there for primary reckoning.

 

Another issue I mentioned in one of my previous mails is about

difference if pandikais in vaakhya and other smapradhayas. I even

remember seeing a couple of mails in some groups last year on krishna

jayanthi that it actually came to be celebrated much late when the

nakshathra and thithi were not there.

 

The basic rule is that any thithi or nakshathra should come to be

there at sun rise. Such contact with sun's first rays only sanctify (

to express this in our ordinary parlance) the thithi or star. This

contact itself is enough even if the thithi or star were to be there

for one naazhigai after sunrise.Vakhya school strictly follows this.

Usually this rule is necessary for doing any auspicious thing on a

particular thithi or star.

 

Hope this clarifies.

 

Wishing to hear corrections, if any,

 

with regards,

 

jayasree saranathan

 

On 4/11/07, M.N.Ramanuja <mnr wrote:

> Sri:

> Our panchangam is Mysore panchangam written by Sri Sampathkrishna Josyer

> if you have heard of him. i checked with panchangams over several years,

> and found that agni nakshatra dosha nivrutthi is when Sun enters Rohini

> 3rd padam (May 24 to Jun 1). There is no mention of whether it is vakya or

> siddhanta school.

> Of course, for Sri jayanthi they mention specifically vakya or siddhanta

> or Mannar or Tozhappar etc.

> I would like to know according to which panchanga it is ending with Rohini

> 1 st padam. By the way, 'ending with rohini 1st padam' means same as entering

> Rohini 2nd padam'. In our case, it is 'entering 3rd padam which means

> 'ending with 2nd padam'. So there is just 3 days difference between the

> two schools. Please excuse me if any mistake is on my part.

>

> Regards

> Ramanuja

>

> ***********************************************

>

> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007, jayasartn wrote:

>

> > SrI:

> >

> > The agni nakshathra does start with the sun entering bharani 3rd

> > paadam and does end with 1st paadam of Rohini after covering 7 paadams

> > only. Kindly check with your panchangam.

> >

> > Rohini 3rd paadam means 6 more days approximately, which is not so

> > even as per vaakhya panchangam. The agni nakshathra duration is as per

> > rule of astrology.

> >

> > The computation differs from vakhya panchangam and rest of others

> > which take into consideration the actual position of the sun in the

> > sky. You can find such discrepencies with reference to important days

> > too such as Sri Jayanthi and in movement of planets from one raasi to

> > another. This is because updation has not been done with reference to

> > ayanamsa in computing vakhya panchanga.

> >

> > Due to this horoscopes are marked erraneously leading to wrong

> > predictions. Nowadays, most people (computer softwares too) construct

> > the horoscope as per Drik ganitham which shows the exact position of

> > planets by taking into account ayanamsa correction.

> >

> > Coming to agni nakshathra calculation,

> >

> > (1) the 7 paada chaaram only makes sense, as Rohini is considered to

> > be a very auspicious star for almost all shubha kaaryas including

> > Kumbhabhishekam. If Rohini for most part is coming under agni

> > nakshathra, it can not be considered for auspicious events. Hence by

> > logic, Rohini can not be brought into agni nakshathra ambit.

> >

> > (2)The approximate time taken by the sun to cross 1 paadam is 3 days,

> > 22 naazhigai and 55 seconds. This multiplied by 7 paadams gives 23

> > days, 40 naazhigai and 25 seconds to complete agni nakshathra.This

> > year (2007 Chithrai - sarvajith samvathsaram), it starts at 1-05 AM

> > early morning 5th May and ends at 5-56 AM on 29th. The actual time is

> > approximately 24 days only. The discrepency is noted in vakhya

> > panchangam only. Even there, the paada charam does not extend upto

> > Rohini 3rd.

> >

> > As far as I know this period is not considered for auspicious events -

> > the rationale of which I wrote on the first mail. Beyond that no

> > dosham or nothing of that sort is indicated. This period and the

> > bahrani, krittika are suited for wars and destroying enemies.

> >

> > Regards,

> > jayasree saranathan

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Oppiliappan , " M.N.Ramanuja " <mnr wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >> Sri:

> >>

> >> Smt Jayasri Saranathan wrote:

> >>

> >>> (1) As per astrology, agni nakshatram is the time when sun moves

> >>> through 7paadams starting from ni 3rd paadam to Rohini 1st paadam.

> >>

> >>> These are Bharani 3rd & 4th, all the 4 paadams of Kritthika and

> >>> Rohini 1st paadam.

> >>

> >> Our almanacs show the duration of agninakshatra dosha from May 4

> >> to Jun 1st (almost same time every year!). That is from the Sun

> > entering

> >> Bharani 3rd padam to the Sun entering Rohini 3rd padam.

> >> Not Rohini 1st padam. Please clarify.

> >> What is the kind of dosha here and what if any is the

> >> pariharam or prayaschittam? and to whom the dosha applies?

> >>

> >>

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