Mercy killing Regarding..,

July 4, 2008

Shri:

Dear All Bhagavatha Bandhus

Adiyaen's pranaams.

Adiyaen wanted to know if mercy killing is allowed in sampradaayam.

Toronto Hospital has a norm where they put the heart to rest

for those patients ., who are extremely suffering based on

acceptance / approval from their Guardian/Relatives. or those

who have no one to support.

What is our sampradaayam saying ?

Do we have to go through all the pain.

Kanchi Perumal 's Saying : " Dehaa Vaasaney Muktis yaat "

Is mercy killing approved as per our sampradaayam. ?

Please advise.

adiyaen

- Maaran's Dog.

July 6, 2008

SrI:

Dear Sriman Sundararajan :

" Mercy Killing " is totally prohibited in our

Saastrams . It is a terrible thing to suffer

Pain and it is traumatic for the Patient

and the relatives . Purely from SaasthrEic

point of view , both Athma Hatthi and

Mercy Killing is not sanctioned .

dehAvasAne Mukthi : is for Prapannan .

V.Sadagopan

-

" bsundarrajansrivilliputtur " <bsundarrajansrivilliputtur

Friday, July 04, 2008 1:54 PM

Mercy killing Regarding..,

> Shri:

>

> Dear All Bhagavatha Bandhus

>

> Adiyaen's pranaams.

>

> Adiyaen wanted to know if mercy killing is allowed in sampradaayam.

>

> Toronto Hospital has a norm where they put the heart to rest

> for those patients ., who are extremely suffering based on

> acceptance / approval from their Guardian/Relatives. or those

> who have no one to support.

>

> What is our sampradaayam saying ?

>

> Do we have to go through all the pain.

>

> Kanchi Perumal 's Saying : " Dehaa Vaasaney Muktis yaat "

>

> Is mercy killing approved as per our sampradaayam. ?

>

> Please advise.

>

> adiyaen

>

> - Maaran's Dog.

>

---

>

July 6, 2008

Dear Swamins,

We have instances in our scriptures, where people haveÂ

willingly left their material body as well as where theÂ

pain duration is reduced by hastening death.

In Ramayana, when Dasharatha mistakenly killed a muni putran,

his blind parents, who had none else left to care for,

willingly joined the pyre.

We also read instances (for example Vali), where an arrow stuck in the body is

removed by another person, upon request by the ailing individual,Â

to hasten death.

Of course, the third type (which is not generally applicable)

Â is where the Lord kills someone as lost resort to put an end

to miserable life of that person.

dAsan

tAtAchAr

Dr.V.Sadagopan <yennappan

Sat, 5 Jul 2008 9:20 pm

Re: Mercy killing Regarding..,

SrI:

Dear Sriman Sundararajan :

"Mercy Killing " is totally prohibited in our

Saastrams . It is a terrible thing to suffer Pain and it is traumatic for the Patient and the relatives . Purely from SaasthrEic point of view , both Athma Hatthi and Mercy Killing is not sanctioned .

dehAvasAne Mukthi : is for Prapannan .

V.Sadagopan - "bsundarrajansrivilliputtur" <bsundarrajansrivilliputtur

Friday, July 04, 2008 1:54 PM

Mercy killing Regarding..,

> Shri:

> > Dear All Bhagavatha Bandhus

> > Adiyaen's pranaams.

> > Adiyaen wanted to know if mercy killing is allowed in sampradaayam.

> > Toronto Hospital has a norm where they put the heart to rest > for those patients ., who are extremely suffering based on > acceptance / approval from their Guardian/Relatives. or those > who have no one to support.

> > What is our sampradaayam saying ?

> > Do we have to go through all the pain.

> > Kanchi Perumal 's Saying : "Dehaa Vaasaney Muktis yaat " > > Is mercy killing approved as per our sampradaayam. ? > > Please advise.

> > adiyaen

> > - Maaran's Dog.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---

> >

July 6, 2008

Dear Divya Desham Asthikas

Killing of any thing - be it an animal/insect/bird or human being - either mercifully or deliberately is not acceptable to any one at any point of time for whatever be the reason at any place.

Whilst the debate is on about 'Mercy Killing' I attach herebelow a

clipping of the transformation of an egg into a chicken which I would

like to share for the reason that most people knowingly or

unknowingly are passive eaters of animals as I am given to understand

that egg /yoke is an essential ingredient in the preparation of of

all types of cakes and pastries which most vaishnavites I know drool

over and eat cakes and other types of pastries. Any one can surmise the amount of pain the egg/chicken is made to undergo during its culling/killing for any reason to fill the insatiable appetite of human monsters.

I humbly request all vaishnavites to desist/resist from eating cakes or

any pastry either on the count of mercy killing of an innocent

animal or due to religious and traditional sentiments and which our

shastras do not permit as egg/yoke is an essential ingredient in the

preparation of cake or any form pastry.

EGG IS VEG OR NON-VEG ?

Loading imag

Evolving Chick for those who say egg is veg

ShreekrishnaPh.D candidateAerospace Combustion LabGeorgia Institute of Technology

635 Strong St NW, Atlanta, GA 30318

Jayakumarkrishnarao

On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 6:50 AM, Dr.V.Sadagopan <yennappan wrote:

SrI:

Dear Sriman Sundararajan :

" Mercy Killing " is totally prohibited in our

Saastrams . It is a terrible thing to suffer

Pain and it is traumatic for the Patient

and the relatives . Purely from SaasthrEic

point of view , both Athma Hatthi and

Mercy Killing is not sanctioned .

dehAvasAne Mukthi : is for Prapannan .

V.Sadagopan

-

" bsundarrajansrivilliputtur " <bsundarrajansrivilliputtur

Friday, July 04, 2008 1:54 PM

Mercy killing Regarding..,

> Shri:

>

> Dear All Bhagavatha Bandhus

>

> Adiyaen's pranaams.

>

> Adiyaen wanted to know if mercy killing is allowed in sampradaayam.

>

> Toronto Hospital has a norm where they put the heart to rest

> for those patients ., who are extremely suffering based on

> acceptance / approval from their Guardian/Relatives. or those

> who have no one to support.

>

> What is our sampradaayam saying ?

>

> Do we have to go through all the pain.

>

> Kanchi Perumal 's Saying : " Dehaa Vaasaney Muktis yaat "

>

> Is mercy killing approved as per our sampradaayam. ?

>

> Please advise.

>

> adiyaen

>

> - Maaran's Dog.

>

> ---

>

July 7, 2008

Dear Swamins,

Most hen eggs sold in the market are of the unfertilized kind.

An unfertilized egg has everything what a fertilized egg has- white, yolk, shell

and embryo- except that the embryo is unfertilized.Â

My feeling is cakes, pastries and ice cream are madeÂ

using unfertilized eggs.

dAsan

K.S. tatAchAr

jayakumar krishnarao <jayakumarkrishnarao

Sun, 6 Jul 2008 7:35 am

Re: Mercy killing Regarding..,

Dear Divya Desham Asthikas

Killing of anyÂ thing - be it an animal/insect/birdÂ or human beingÂ - either mercifully or deliberately is not acceptable to any one at any point of time for whatever be the reason at any place.

Whilst the debate is on aboutÂ 'Mercy Killing' I attach herebelow a

clipping of the transformation of an egg into a chicken which I would

like to shareÂ for the reason thatÂ most people knowingly or

unknowingly are passive eaters of animals as I am given to understand

thatÂ egg /yoke is an essential ingredient in the preparation ofÂ of

allÂ types of cakes and pastries which most vaishnavites I know drool

over and eat cakes and other types of pastries. Any one can surmise the amount of pain the egg/chicken is made to undergo during its culling/killing for any reason to fill the insatiable appetite of human monsters.

I humbly request all vaishnavites to desist/resist from eating cakes or

any pastryÂ Â either on the count of mercy killing ofÂ an innocent

animal or due to religious and traditional sentiments and which our

shastras do not permit as egg/yoke is an essential ingredient in the

preparation of cake or any form pastry.

EGG IS VEG OR NON-VEG ?

Â

Loading imag

Evolving Chick for those who say egg is veg

Â

Shreekrishna

Ph.D candidate

Aerospace Combustion Lab

Georgia Institute of Technology

635 Strong St NW, Atlanta, GA 30318

Â

Jayakumarkrishnarao

On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 6:50 AM, Dr.V.Sadagopan <yennappan wrote:

SrI:

Dear Sriman Sundararajan :

"Mercy Killing " is totally prohibited in our

Saastrams . It is a terrible thing to suffer

Pain and it is traumatic for the Patient

and the relatives . Purely from SaasthrEic

point of view , both Athma Hatthi and

Mercy Killing is not sanctioned .

dehAvasAne Mukthi : is for Prapannan .

V.Sadagopan

-

"bsundarrajansrivilliputtur" <bsundarrajansrivilliputtur

Friday, July 04, 2008 1:54 PM

Mercy killing Regarding..,

> Shri:

>

> Dear All Bhagavatha Bandhus

>

> Adiyaen's pranaams.

>

> Adiyaen wanted to know if mercy killing is allowed in sampradaayam.

>

> Toronto Hospital has a norm where they put the heart to rest

> for those patients ., who are extremely suffering based on

> acceptance / approval from their Guardian/Relatives. or those

> who have no one to support.

>

> What is our sampradaayam saying ?

>

> Do we have to go through all the pain.

>

> Kanchi Perumal 's Saying : "Dehaa Vaasaney Muktis yaat "

>

> Is mercy killing approved as per our sampradaayam. ?

>

> Please advise.

>

> adiyaen

>

> - Maaran's Dog.

>

> ---

>

July 7, 2008

Dear Swamin

adiyane's pranaams.

Aathma hathi is prohibited. as per Dr V.sadagopan Swamin

Can any one give complimentary sentences as per our

Ramanuja Sampradaayam to approce Sree Krishna Swamins email.

At the same time.., if a body is suffering due to extreme pain.. is

it not fair on a humanitaian ground to lay the body to rest.

Please make my decision clear.

I have even opted for a Z9 donar to OHIP (- Medical Insurance)

(any of my body spare parts can be reused for medical research , for

implanting to others)

Adiyaen

Maaran's Dog.

, Koti Sreekrishna <tatachar

wrote:

>

> Dear Swamins,

>

> We have instances in our scriptures, where people haveÂ

>

> willingly left their material body as well as where theÂ

>

> pain duration is reduced by hastening death.

>

> In Ramayana, when Dasharatha mistakenly killed a muni putran,

>

> his blind parents, who had none else left to care for,

>

> willingly joined the pyre.

>

> We also read instances (for example Vali), where an arrow stuck in

the body is

>

> removed by another person, upon request by the ailing individual,Â

>

> to hasten death.

>

> Of course, the third type (which is not generally applicable)

>

> Â is where the Lord kills someone as lost resort to put an end

>

> to miserable life of that person.

>

> dAsan

>

> tAtAchAr

>

> Dr.V.Sadagopan <yennappan

>

> Sat, 5 Jul 2008 9:20 pm

> Re: Mercy killing Regarding..,

>

SrI:

>

> Dear Sriman Sundararajan :

>

> " Mercy Killing " is totally prohibited in our

> Saastrams . It is a terrible thing to suffer

> Pain and it is traumatic for the Patient

> and the relatives . Purely from SaasthrEic

> point of view , both Athma Hatthi and

> Mercy Killing is not sanctioned .

>

> dehAvasAne Mukthi : is for Prapannan .

> V.Sadagopan

> -

> " bsundarrajansrivilliputtur " <bsundarrajansrivilliputtur

>

> Friday, July 04, 2008 1:54 PM

> Mercy killing Regarding..,

>

> > Shri:

> >

> > Dear All Bhagavatha Bandhus

> >

> > Adiyaen's pranaams.

> >

> > Adiyaen wanted to know if mercy killing is allowed in

sampradaayam.

> >

> > Toronto Hospital has a norm where they put the heart to rest

> > for those patients ., who are extremely suffering based on

> > acceptance / approval from their Guardian/Relatives. or those

> > who have no one to support.

> >

> > What is our sampradaayam saying ?

> >

> > Do we have to go through all the pain.

> >

> > Kanchi Perumal 's Saying : " Dehaa Vaasaney Muktis yaat "

> >

> > Is mercy killing approved as per our sampradaayam. ?

> >

> > Please advise.

> >

> > adiyaen

> >

> > - Maaran's Dog.

> >

> > ---

> >

July 9, 2008

9.07.08

NARAYANA! NARAYANA!

IF ACCORDING TO OUR SCRIPTURES SUFFERING AND PAIN IS THE PRICE OF OUR MISDEEEDS, PAST AND PRESENT, TO BE UNDERGONE, THEN MERCY KILLING WOULD APPEAR TO NEGATE THE CONCEPT, AND IN TERMS OUR SCRIPTURAL EXPLANATION, SUBJECT THE INDIVIDUAL FOR FURTHER BIRTHS TO DISCHARGE THE BURDEN OF HIS SINS.

DWARAKANATHAN

On 7/7/08, bsundarrajansrivilliputtur <bsundarrajansrivilliputtur wrote:

Dear Swamin adiyane's pranaams.Aathma hathi is prohibited. as per Dr V.sadagopan Swamin Can any one give complimentary sentences as per our Ramanuja Sampradaayam to approce Sree Krishna Swamins email.

At the same time.., if a body is suffering due to extreme pain.. is it not fair on a humanitaian ground to lay the body to rest. Please make my decision clear. I have even opted for a Z9 donar to OHIP (- Medical Insurance)

(any of my body spare parts can be reused for medical research , for implanting to others) AdiyaenMaaran's Dog. , Koti Sreekrishna <tatachar

wrote:>> Dear Swamins,> > > > We have instances in our scriptures, where people have > > willingly left their material body as well as where the

> > pain duration is reduced by hastening death.> > > > > In Ramayana, when Dasharatha mistakenly killed a muni putran,> > his blind parents, who had none else left to care for,

> > willingly joined the pyre.> > We also read instances (for example Vali), where an arrow stuck in the body is> > removed by another person, upon request by the ailing individual,

> > to hasten death.> > > > > Of course, the third type (which is not generally applicable)> > is where the Lord kills someone as lost resort to put an end>

> to miserable life of that person.> > > dAsan> > > > > tAtAchAr> > Dr.V.Sadagopan <yennappan

> > Sat, 5 Jul 2008 9:20 pm> Re: Mercy killing Regarding..,

> > > > > > > > > SrI:> > Dear Sriman Sundararajan :> > " Mercy Killing " is totally prohibited in our> Saastrams . It is a terrible thing to suffer

> Pain and it is traumatic for the Patient > and the relatives . Purely from SaasthrEic > point of view , both Athma Hatthi and > Mercy Killing is not sanctioned .> > dehAvasAne Mukthi : is for Prapannan .

> V.Sadagopan > - > " bsundarrajansrivilliputtur " <bsundarrajansrivilliputtur>

> Friday, July 04, 2008 1:54 PM> Mercy killing Regarding..,> > > > Shri:> > > > Dear All Bhagavatha Bandhus> > > > Adiyaen's pranaams.

> > > > Adiyaen wanted to know if mercy killing is allowed in sampradaayam.> > > > Toronto Hospital has a norm where they put the heart to rest > > for those patients ., who are extremely suffering based on

> > acceptance / approval from their Guardian/Relatives. or those > > who have no one to support.> > > > What is our sampradaayam saying ?> > > > Do we have to go through all the pain.

> > > > Kanchi Perumal 's Saying : " Dehaa Vaasaney Muktis yaat " > > > > Is mercy killing approved as per our sampradaayam. ? > > > > Please advise.

> > > > adiyaen> > > > - Maaran's Dog.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ---> > > >

July 9, 2008

Dear Swamin,

If you get headache or toothache, you don't take any medication?

What is the use of Ayurvedam, if every pain/suffering is prayaschittam

for poorva karmams?

dAsan

K.S. tAtAchAr

DWARAKANATHAN RAGHAVACHARI <dwarakanathanr

Wed, 9 Jul 2008 6:10 am

Re: Re: Mercy killing Regarding..,

9.07.08

NARAYANA! NARAYANA!

IF ACCORDING TO OUR SCRIPTURES SUFFERING AND PAIN IS THE PRICE OF OUR MISDEEEDS, PAST AND PRESENT, TO BE UNDERGONE, THEN MERCY KILLING WOULD APPEAR TO NEGATE THE CONCEPT, AND IN TERMS OUR SCRIPTURAL EXPLANATION, SUBJECT THE INDIVIDUAL FOR FURTHER BIRTHS TO DISCHARGE THE BURDEN OF HIS SINS.

DWARAKANATHAN

On 7/7/08, bsundarrajansrivilliputtur <bsundarrajansrivilliputtur wrote:

Dear Swamin

adiyane's pranaams.

Aathma hathi is prohibited. as per Dr V.sadagopan Swamin

Can any one give complimentary sentences as per our

Ramanuja Sampradaayam to approce Sree Krishna Swamins email.

At the same time.., if a body is suffering due to extreme pain.. is

it not fair on a humanitaian ground to lay the body to rest.

Please make my decision clear.

I have even opted for a Z9 donar to OHIP (- Medical Insurance)

(any of my body spare parts can be reused for medical research , for

implanting to others)

Adiyaen

Maaran's Dog.

, Koti Sreekrishna <tatachar

wrote:

>

> Dear Swamins,

>

> We have instances in our scriptures, where people have

>

> willingly left their material body as well as where the

>

> pain duration is reduced by hastening death.

>

> In Ramayana, when Dasharatha mistakenly killed a muni putran,

>

> his blind parents, who had none else left to care for,

>

> willingly joined the pyre.

>

> We also read instances (for example Vali), where an arrow stuck in

the body is

>

> removed by another person, upon request by the ailing individual,

>

> to hasten death.

>

> Of course, the third type (which is not generally applicable)

>

> is where the Lord kills someone as lost resort to put an end

>

> to miserable life of that person.

>

> dAsan

>

> tAtAchAr

>

> Dr.V.Sadagopan <yennappan

>

> Sat, 5 Jul 2008 9:20 pm

> Re: Mercy killing Regarding..,

>

> SrI:

>

> Dear Sriman Sundararajan :

>

> "Mercy Killing " is totally prohibited in our

> Saastrams . It is a terrible thing to suffer

> Pain and it is traumatic for the Patient

> and the relatives . Purely from SaasthrEic

> point of view , both Athma Hatthi and

> Mercy Killing is not sanctioned .

>

> dehAvasAne Mukthi : is for Prapannan .

> V.Sadagopan

> -

> "bsundarrajansrivilliputtur" <bsundarrajansrivilliputtur

>

> Friday, July 04, 2008 1:54 PM

> Mercy killing Regarding..,

>

> > Shri:

> >

> > Dear All Bhagavatha Bandhus

> >

> > Adiyaen's pranaams.

> >

> > Adiyaen wanted to know if mercy killing is allowed in

sampradaayam.

> >

> > Toronto Hospital has a norm where they put the heart to rest

> > for those patients ., who are extremely suffering based on

> > acceptance / approval from their Guardian/Relatives. or those

> > who have no one to support.

> >

> > What is our sampradaayam saying ?

> >

> > Do we have to go through all the pain.

> >

> > Kanchi Perumal 's Saying : "Dehaa Vaasaney Muktis yaat "

> >

> > Is mercy killing approved as per our sampradaayam. ?

> >

> > Please advise.

> >

> > adiyaen

> >

> > - Maaran's Dog.

> >

> > ---

> >

July 10, 2008

Respected all ,Pranams. when we are feeling that atmost happiness by

reading a temple s activities,jeers visits samprokshanam s and all the next

painful news emerges.I mea nthe recent topics on mercy killing organ

donation etc.It is solely a personal opinion and it is not going to happen on

others compulsionIf you want , if you feel you do that.dont wait or dont expect

others comments or suggetions.so i request our fellow members to stop topics

like this nad concentrate on our sampradays and perumal activities.really it

is painful .sorry for any inconvenience to my friends.namaskara

--- On Wed, 7/9/08, Koti Sreekrishna <tatachar wrote:

Koti Sreekrishna <tatachar

Re: Re: Mercy killing Regarding..,

Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 9:09 PM

Dear Swamin,

If you get headache or toothache, you don't take any medication?

What is the use of Ayurvedam, if every pain/suffering is prayaschittam

for poorva karmams?

dAsan

K.S. tAtAchAr

DWARAKANATHAN RAGHAVACHARI <dwarakanathanr@ gmail.com>

Wed, 9 Jul 2008 6:10 am

Re: Re: Mercy killing Regarding..,

9.07.08

NARAYANA! NARAYANA!

IF ACCORDING TO OUR SCRIPTURES SUFFERING AND PAIN IS THE PRICE OF OUR MISDEEEDS,

PAST AND PRESENT, TO BE UNDERGONE, THEN MERCY KILLING WOULD APPEAR TO NEGATE THE

CONCEPT, AND IN TERMS OUR SCRIPTURAL EXPLANATION, SUBJECT THE INDIVIDUAL FOR

FURTHER BIRTHS TO DISCHARGE THE BURDEN OF HIS SINS.

DWARAKANATHAN

On 7/7/08, bsundarrajansrivill iputtur <bsundarrajansrivill iputtur (AT) (DOT) ca>

wrote:

Dear Swamin

adiyane's pranaams.

Aathma hathi is prohibited. as per Dr V.sadagopan Swamin

Can any one give complimentary sentences as per our

Ramanuja Sampradaayam to approce Sree Krishna Swamins email.

At the same time.., if a body is suffering due to extreme pain.. is

it not fair on a humanitaian ground to lay the body to rest.

Please make my decision clear.

I have even opted for a Z9 donar to OHIP (- Medical Insurance)

(any of my body spare parts can be reused for medical research , for

implanting to others)

Adiyaen

Maaran's Dog.

, Koti Sreekrishna <tatachar

wrote:

>

> Dear Swamins,

>

> We have instances in our scriptures, where people have

>

> willingly left their material body as well as where the

>

> pain duration is reduced by hastening death.

>

> In Ramayana, when Dasharatha mistakenly killed a muni putran,

>

> his blind parents, who had none else left to care for,

>

> willingly joined the pyre.

>

> We also read instances (for example Vali), where an arrow stuck in

the body is

>

> removed by another person, upon request by the ailing individual,

>

> to hasten death.

>

> Of course, the third type (which is not generally applicable)

>

> is where the Lord kills someone as lost resort to put an end

>

> to miserable life of that person.

>

> dAsan

>

> tAtAchAr

>

> Dr.V.Sadagopan <yennappan@.. .>

>

> Sat, 5 Jul 2008 9:20 pm

> Re: Mercy killing Regarding..,

>

> SrI:

>

> Dear Sriman Sundararajan :

>

> " Mercy Killing " is totally prohibited in our

> Saastrams . It is a terrible thing to suffer

> Pain and it is traumatic for the Patient

> and the relatives . Purely from SaasthrEic

> point of view , both Athma Hatthi and

> Mercy Killing is not sanctioned .

>

> dehAvasAne Mukthi : is for Prapannan .

> V.Sadagopan

> -

> " bsundarrajansrivil liputtur " <bsundarrajansrivill iputtur@. ..>

> <>

> Friday, July 04, 2008 1:54 PM

> Mercy killing Regarding..,

>

> > Shri:

> >

> > Dear All Bhagavatha Bandhus

> >

> > Adiyaen's pranaams.

> >

> > Adiyaen wanted to know if mercy killing is allowed in

sampradaayam.

> >

> > Toronto Hospital has a norm where they put the heart to rest

> > for those patients ., who are extremely suffering based on

> > acceptance / approval from their Guardian/Relatives. or those

> > who have no one to support.

> >

> > What is our sampradaayam saying ?

> >

> > Do we have to go through all the pain.

> >

> > Kanchi Perumal 's Saying : " Dehaa Vaasaney Muktis yaat "

> >

> > Is mercy killing approved as per our sampradaayam. ?

> >

> > Please advise.

> >

> > adiyaen

> >

> > - Maaran's Dog.

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> >

July 10, 2008

Dear swamin

I agree with you.

" Dehaa vaasaney mukthisyaat. " we are not killing ourself

right away. we tried to live as much as we can. we cant further

live due to extreme disease and pain. so it may be acceptable.

, Koti Sreekrishna <tatachar

wrote:

>

> Dear Swamin,

>

> If you get headache or toothache, you don't take any medication?

> What is the use of Ayurvedam, if every pain/suffering is

prayaschittam

> for poorva karmams?

>

> dAsan

>

> K.S. tAtAchAr

>

> DWARAKANATHAN RAGHAVACHARI <dwarakanathanr

>

> Wed, 9 Jul 2008 6:10 am

> Re: Re: Mercy killing Regarding..,

>

> 9.07.08

>

> NARAYANA! NARAYANA!

>

> IF ACCORDING TO OUR SCRIPTURES SUFFERING AND PAIN IS THE PRICE OF

OUR MISDEEEDS, PAST AND PRESENT, TO BE UNDERGONE, THEN MERCY KILLING

WOULD APPEAR TO NEGATE THE CONCEPT, AND IN TERMS OUR SCRIPTURAL

EXPLANATION, SUBJECT THE INDIVIDUAL FOR FURTHER BIRTHS TO DISCHARGE

THE BURDEN OF HIS SINS.

>

> DWARAKANATHAN

>

> ?

>

> On 7/7/08, bsundarrajansrivilliputtur

<bsundarrajansrivilliputtur wrote:

>

> Dear Swamin

>

> adiyane's pranaams.

>

> Aathma hathi is prohibited. as per Dr V.sadagopan Swamin

>

> Can any one give complimentary sentences as per our

> Ramanuja Sampradaayam to approce Sree Krishna Swamins email.

>

> At the same time.., if a body is suffering due to extreme pain..

is

> it not fair on a humanitaian ground to lay the body to rest.

>

> Please make my decision clear.

>

> I have even opted for a Z9 donar to OHIP (- Medical Insurance)

> (any of my body spare parts can be reused for medical research ,

for

> implanting to others)

>

> Adiyaen

>

> Maaran's Dog.

>

> , Koti Sreekrishna <tatachar@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Swamins,

> >

> > We have instances in our scriptures, where people have?

> >

> > willingly left their material body as well as where the?

> >

> > pain duration is reduced by hastening death.

> >

> > In Ramayana, when Dasharatha mistakenly killed a muni putran,

> >

> > his blind parents, who had none else left to care for,

> >

> > willingly joined the pyre.

> >

> > We also read instances (for example Vali), where an arrow stuck

in

> the body is

> >

> > removed by another person, upon request by the ailing

individual,?

> >

> > to hasten death.

> >

> > Of course, the third type (which is not generally applicable)

> >

> > ?is where the Lord kills someone as lost resort to put an end

> >

> > to miserable life of that person.

> >

> > dAsan

> >

> > tAtAchAr

> >

> > Dr.V.Sadagopan <yennappan@>

> >

> > Sat, 5 Jul 2008 9:20 pm

> > Re: Mercy killing Regarding..,

> >

> > SrI:

> >

> > Dear Sriman Sundararajan :

> >

> > " Mercy Killing " is totally prohibited in our

> > Saastrams . It is a terrible thing to suffer

> > Pain and it is traumatic for the Patient

> > and the relatives . Purely from SaasthrEic

> > point of view , both Athma Hatthi and

> > Mercy Killing is not sanctioned .

> >

> > dehAvasAne Mukthi : is for Prapannan .

> > V.Sadagopan

> > -

> > " bsundarrajansrivilliputtur " <bsundarrajansrivilliputtur@>

> >

> > Friday, July 04, 2008 1:54 PM

> > Mercy killing Regarding..,

> >

> > > Shri:

> > >

> > > Dear All Bhagavatha Bandhus

> > >

> > > Adiyaen's pranaams.

> > >

> > > Adiyaen wanted to know if mercy killing is allowed in

> sampradaayam.

> > >

> > > Toronto Hospital has a norm where they put the heart to rest

> > > for those patients ., who are extremely suffering based on

> > > acceptance / approval from their Guardian/Relatives. or those

> > > who have no one to support.

> > >

> > > What is our sampradaayam saying ?

> > >

> > > Do we have to go through all the pain.

> > >

> > > Kanchi Perumal 's Saying : " Dehaa Vaasaney Muktis yaat "

> > >

> > > Is mercy killing approved as per our sampradaayam. ?

> > >

> > > Please advise.

> > >

> > > adiyaen

> > >

> > > - Maaran's Dog.

> > >

> > > ---

> > >

July 11, 2008

Dear MEMBERS, www.kinchitkaramtrust.org has got a Q & A LINK UNDER THE HEADING --SPIRITUAL QUEST---- SRI VELUKKUDI KRISHNAN IS answering the

questions Q275-is on ORGAN DONATION and SWAMYS ANSWER: SAASTRAS DO NOT ALLOW VOLUNTARY ORGAN DONATION.NOTHING WRONG IF AN ORGAN IS LOST IN AN ACCIDENT---and in Q237 SRI VELUKKUDI KRISHNAN ANSWERS: KINDLY DISTANCE YOURSELF FROM THOSE WHO WANT TO QUESTION THE SAASTRAS. WILL THEY DARE A CONTEMPT OF COURT? THIS IS MUCH MUCH MORE SERIOUS CONTEMPT OF DIVINE ORDER There is no place for MODERN INTERPRETATION as for as SAASTRAS is concerned dhasan, N.PADMANABANHARE RAAMA HARE RAAMA RAAMA RAAMA HARE HARE HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE --- On Thu, 10/7/08, bsundarrajansrivilliputtur <bsundarrajansrivilliputtur wrote:bsundarrajansrivilliputtur <bsundarrajansrivilliputtur Re: Mercy killing Regarding.., Date: Thursday, 10 July, 2008, 7:41 PM

Dear swamin

I agree with you.

"Dehaa vaasaney mukthisyaat. " we are not killing ourself

right away. we tried to live as much as we can. we cant further

live due to extreme disease and pain. so it may be acceptable.

, Koti Sreekrishna <tatachar@.. .>

wrote:

>

> Dear Swamin,

>

> If you get headache or toothache, you don't take any medication?

> What is the use of Ayurvedam, if every pain/suffering is

prayaschittam

> for poorva karmams?

>

> dAsan

>

> K.S. tAtAchAr

>

> DWARAKANATHAN RAGHAVACHARI <dwarakanathanr@ ...>

>

> Wed, 9 Jul 2008 6:10 am

> Re: Re: Mercy killing Regarding..,

>

> 9.07.08

>

> NARAYANA! NARAYANA!

>

> IF ACCORDING TO OUR SCRIPTURES SUFFERING AND PAIN IS THE PRICE OF

OUR MISDEEEDS, PAST AND PRESENT, TO BE UNDERGONE, THEN MERCY KILLING

WOULD APPEAR TO NEGATE THE CONCEPT, AND IN TERMS OUR SCRIPTURAL

EXPLANATION, SUBJECT THE INDIVIDUAL FOR FURTHER BIRTHS TO DISCHARGE

THE BURDEN OF HIS SINS.

>

> DWARAKANATHAN

>

> ?

>

> On 7/7/08, bsundarrajansrivill iputtur

<bsundarrajansrivil liputtur@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Swamin

>

> adiyane's pranaams.

>

> Aathma hathi is prohibited. as per Dr V.sadagopan Swamin

>

> Can any one give complimentary sentences as per our

> Ramanuja Sampradaayam to approce Sree Krishna Swamins email.

>

> At the same time.., if a body is suffering due to extreme pain..

is

> it not fair on a humanitaian ground to lay the body to rest.

>

> Please make my decision clear.

>

> I have even opted for a Z9 donar to OHIP (- Medical Insurance)

> (any of my body spare parts can be reused for medical research ,

for

> implanting to others)

>

> Adiyaen

>

> Maaran's Dog.

>

> , Koti Sreekrishna <tatachar@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Swamins,

> >

> > We have instances in our scriptures, where people have?

> >

> > willingly left their material body as well as where the?

> >

> > pain duration is reduced by hastening death.

> >

> > In Ramayana, when Dasharatha mistakenly killed a muni putran,

> >

> > his blind parents, who had none else left to care for,

> >

> > willingly joined the pyre.

> >

> > We also read instances (for example Vali), where an arrow stuck

in

> the body is

> >

> > removed by another person, upon request by the ailing

individual,?

> >

> > to hasten death.

> >

> > Of course, the third type (which is not generally applicable)

> >

> > ?is where the Lord kills someone as lost resort to put an end

> >

> > to miserable life of that person.

> >

> > dAsan

> >

> > tAtAchAr

> >

> > Dr.V.Sadagopan <yennappan@>

> >

> > Sat, 5 Jul 2008 9:20 pm

> > Re: Mercy killing Regarding..,

> >

> > SrI:

> >

> > Dear Sriman Sundararajan :

> >

> > "Mercy Killing " is totally prohibited in our

> > Saastrams . It is a terrible thing to suffer

> > Pain and it is traumatic for the Patient

> > and the relatives . Purely from SaasthrEic

> > point of view , both Athma Hatthi and

> > Mercy Killing is not sanctioned .

> >

> > dehAvasAne Mukthi : is for Prapannan .

> > V.Sadagopan

> > -

> > "bsundarrajansrivil liputtur" <bsundarrajansrivil liputtur@ >

> > <>

> > Friday, July 04, 2008 1:54 PM

> > Mercy killing Regarding..,

> >

> > > Shri:

> > >

> > > Dear All Bhagavatha Bandhus

> > >

> > > Adiyaen's pranaams.

> > >

> > > Adiyaen wanted to know if mercy killing is allowed in

> sampradaayam.

> > >

> > > Toronto Hospital has a norm where they put the heart to rest

> > > for those patients ., who are extremely suffering based on

> > > acceptance / approval from their Guardian/Relatives. or those

> > > who have no one to support.

> > >

> > > What is our sampradaayam saying ?

> > >

> > > Do we have to go through all the pain.

> > >

> > > Kanchi Perumal 's Saying : "Dehaa Vaasaney Muktis yaat "

> > >

> > > Is mercy killing approved as per our sampradaayam. ?

> > >

> > > Please advise.

> > >

> > > adiyaen

> > >

> > > - Maaran's Dog.

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > >

July 13, 2008

Â >>>There is no place for MODERN INTERPRETATION as for as SAASTRAS is concerned

Â Â Â Â Â Â dhasan,

Â Â Â Â N.PADMANABAN<<

Obviously, there is no place for such shastras in the modern world!

Not one verse in the Bhagavadgita says don't donate organs; BG only

condemns people who take severe penance, torturing themselves

for personal gain. Besides BG (minus bhashyams), do we need any

Â other shastram in thisÂ day and age?Â

dAsan

KST

narasimhan padmanaban <npn72000

Fri, 11 Jul 2008 4:14 am

Re: Re: Mercy killing Regarding..,

Â Â Â Â Dear MEMBERS,Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â www.kinchitkaramtrust.orgÂ Â Â has got a Q & A LINK UNDER THE HEADING --SPIRITUAL QUEST----Â Â SRI VELUKKUDI KRISHNAN IS answering the

questionsÂ Â Â Q275-is on ORGAN DONATION and SWAMYS ANSWER:Â Â Â Â SAASTRAS DO NOT ALLOW VOLUNTARY ORGAN DONATION.NOTHING WRONG IF AN ORGAN IS LOST IN AN ACCIDENT---andÂ in Q237 SRI VELUKKUDI KRISHNAN ANSWERS:

Â Â Â Â KINDLY DISTANCE YOURSELF FROM THOSE WHO WANT TO QUESTIONÂ Â Â Â THE SAASTRAS. WILL THEY DARE A CONTEMPT OF COURT? THIS ISÂ Â Â Â Â MUCHÂ MUCH MORE SERIOUS CONTEMPT OF DIVINE ORDER

Â Â Â

Â Â There is no place for MODERN INTERPRETATION as for as SAASTRAS is concerned

Â Â Â Â Â Â dhasan,

Â Â Â Â N.PADMANABAN

HARE RAAMA HAREÂ RAAMA RAAMA RAAMA HAREÂ HARE

HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA HAREÂ HAREÂ Â Â Â

Â

--- On Thu, 10/7/08, bsundarrajansrivilliputtur <bsundarrajansrivilliputtur wrote:

bsundarrajansrivilliputtur <bsundarrajansrivilliputtur

Re: Mercy killing Regarding..,

Thursday, 10 July, 2008, 7:41 PM

Dear swamin

I agree with you.

"Dehaa vaasaney mukthisyaat. " we are not killing ourself

right away. we tried to live as much as we can. we cant further

live due to extreme disease and pain. so it may be acceptable.

, Koti Sreekrishna <tatachar@

... .>

wrote:

>

> Dear Swamin,

>

> If you get headache or toothache, you don't take any medication?

> What is the use of Ayurvedam, if every pain/suffering is

prayaschittam

> for poorva karmams?

>

> dAsan

>

> K.S. tAtAchAr

>

> DWARAKANATHAN RAGHAVACHARI <dwarakanathanr@ ...>

>

> Wed, 9 Jul 2008 6:10 am

> Re: Re: Mercy killing Regarding..,

>

> 9.07.08

>

> NARAYANA! NARAYANA!

>

> IF ACCORDING TO OUR SCRIPTURES SUFFERING AND PAIN IS THE PRICE OF

OUR MISDEEEDS, PAST AND PRESENT, TO BE UNDERGONE, THEN MERCY KILLING

WOULD APPEAR TO NEGATE THE CONCEPT, AND IN TERMS OUR SCRIPTURAL

EXPLANATION, SUBJECT THE INDIVIDUAL FOR FURTHER BIRTHS TO DISCHARGE

THE BURDEN OF HIS SINS.

>

> DWARAKANATHAN

>

> ?

>

> On 7/7/08, bsundarrajansrivill iputtur

<bsundarrajansrivil liputtur@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Swamin

>

> adiyane's pranaams.

>

> Aathma hathi is prohibited. as per Dr V.sadagopan Swamin

>

> Can any one give complimentary sentences as per our

> Ramanuja Sampradaayam to approce Sree Krishna Swamins email.

>

> At the same time.., if a body is suffering due to extreme pain..

is

> it not fair on a humanitaian ground to lay the body to rest.

>

> Please make my decision clear.

>

> I have even opted for a Z9 donar to OHIP (- Medical Insurance)

> (any of my body spare parts can be reused for medical research ,

for

> implanting to others)

>

> Adiyaen

>

> Maaran's Dog.

>

> , Koti Sreekrishna <tatachar@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Swamins,

> >

> > We have instances in our scriptures, where people have?

> >

> > willingly left their material body as well as where the?

> >

> > pain duration is reduced by hastening death.

> >

> > In Ramayana, when Dasharatha mistakenly killed a muni putran,

> >

> > his blind parents, who had none else left to care for,

> >

> > willingly joined the pyre.

> >

> > We also read instances (for example Vali), where an arrow stuck

in

> the body is

> >

> > removed by another person, upon request by the ailing

individual,?

> >

> > to hasten death.

> >

> > Of course, the third t

ype (which is not generally applicable)

> >

> > ?is where the Lord kills someone as lost resort to put an end

> >

> > to miserable life of that person.

> >

> > dAsan

> >

> > tAtAchAr

> >

> > Dr.V.Sadagopan <yennappan@>

> >

> > Sat, 5 Jul 2008 9:20 pm

> > Re: Mercy killing Regarding..,

> >

> > SrI:

> >

> > Dear Sriman Sundararajan :

> >

> > "Mercy Killing " is totally prohibited in our

> > Saastrams . It is a terrible thing to suffer

> > Pain and it is traumatic for the Patient

> > and the relatives . Purely from SaasthrEic

> > point of view , both Athma Hatthi and

> > Mercy Killing is not sanctioned .

> >

> > dehAvasAne Mukthi : is for Prapannan .

> > V.Sadagopan

> > -

> > "bsundarrajansrivil liputtur" <bsundarrajansrivil liputtur@ >

> > <>

> > Friday, July 04, 2008 1:54 PM

> > Mercy killing Regarding..,

> >

0A> >

> > > Shri:

> > >

> > > Dear All Bhagavatha Bandhus

> > >

> > > Adiyaen's pranaams.

> > >

> > > Adiyaen wanted to know if mercy killing is allowed in

> sampradaayam.

> > >

> > > Toronto Hospital has a norm where they put the heart to rest

> > > for those patients ., who are extremely suffering based on

> > > acceptance / approval from their Guardian/Relatives. or those

> > > who have no one to support.

> > >

> > > What is our sampradaayam saying ?

> > >

> > > Do we have to go through all the pain.

> > >

> > > Kanchi Perumal 's Saying : "Dehaa Vaasaney Muktis yaat "

> > >

> > > Is mercy killing approved as per our sampradaayam. ?

> > >

> > > Please advise.

> > >

> > > adiyaen

> > >

> > > - Maaran's Dog.

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > >

July 14, 2008

ï»¿

SrI:

Dear Moderator :

Let us focus on the main theme of

Divya desam web site to its central mission:

Information related to the divya dEsams

and stay clear of medical ethics and

Comments on Saastrams etc . There

are plenty of sites relating to them .

That in my humble opinion where these

questions should be raised and answered.

So,e filters need to be placed .

As a moderator of Oppiliappan , Malolan ,

Raama Bhakti and SaraNAgathy lists ,

I have also been experiencing

this problem . I am planning to

restate the mission statement

to have postings and discussions

related to the main goals of the lists

that I am responsible for . Mail to individuals

and among members should be fine on

controversial topics but the group members

can be spared from these unnecessary diversions .

SrimatE RaamAnujAya nama:

V.Sadagopan

-

Koti Sreekrishna

Sunday, July 13, 2008 12:28 AM

Re: Re: Mercy killing Regarding..,

>>>There is no place for MODERN INTERPRETATION as for as SAASTRAS is concerned dhasan, N.PADMANABAN<<

Obviously, there is no place for such shastras in the modern world!

Not one verse in the Bhagavadgita says don't donate organs; BG only

condemns people who take severe penance, torturing themselves

for personal gain. Besides BG (minus bhashyams), do we need any

other shastram in this day and age?

dAsan

KSTnarasimhan padmanaban <npn72000 Sent: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 4:14 amRe: Re: Mercy killing Regarding..,

Dear MEMBERS, www.kinchitkaramtrust.org has got a Q & A LINK UNDER THE HEADING --SPIRITUAL QUEST---- SRI VELUKKUDI KRISHNAN IS answering the questions Q275-is on ORGAN DONATION and SWAMYS ANSWER: SAASTRAS DO NOT ALLOW VOLUNTARY ORGAN DONATION.NOTHING WRONG IF AN ORGAN IS LOST IN AN ACCIDENT---and in Q237 SRI VELUKKUDI KRISHNAN ANSWERS: KINDLY DISTANCE YOURSELF FROM THOSE WHO WANT TO QUESTION THE SAASTRAS. WILL THEY DARE A CONTEMPT OF COURT? THIS IS MUCH MUCH MORE SERIOUS CONTEMPT OF DIVINE ORDER There is no place for MODERN INTERPRETATION as for as SAASTRAS is concerned dhasan, N.PADMANABAN

HARE RAAMA HARE RAAMA RAAMA RAAMA HARE HARE

HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE

--- On Thu, 10/7/08, bsundarrajansrivilliputtur <bsundarrajansrivilliputtur wrote:

bsundarrajansrivilliputtur <bsundarrajansrivilliputtur Re: Mercy killing Regarding.., Date: Thursday, 10 July, 2008, 7:41 PM

Dear swamin I agree with you. "Dehaa vaasaney mukthisyaat. " we are not killing ourself right away. we tried to live as much as we can. we cant furtherlive due to extreme disease and pain. so it may be acceptable., Koti Sreekrishna <tatachar@ .. .> wrote:>> Dear Swamin,> > If you get headache or toothache, you don't take any medication?> What is the use of Ayurvedam, if every pain/suffering is prayaschittam> for poorva karmams?> > dAsan> > K.S. tAtAchAr> > > DWARAKANATHAN RAGHAVACHARI <dwarakanathanr@ ...>> > Wed, 9 Jul 2008 6:10 am> Re: Re: Mercy killing Regarding..,> > > > 9.07.08> > NARAYANA! NARAYANA!> > IF ACCORDING TO OUR SCRIPTURES SUFFERING AND PAIN IS THE PRICE OF OUR MISDEEEDS, PAST AND PRESENT, TO BE UNDERGONE, THEN MERCY KILLING WOULD APPEAR TO NEGATE THE CONCEPT, AND IN TERMS OUR SCRIPTURAL EXPLANATION, SUBJECT THE INDIVIDUAL FOR FURTHER BIRTHS TO DISCHARGE THE BURDEN OF HIS SINS.> > DWARAKANATHAN> > ?> > On 7/7/08, bsundarrajansrivill iputtur <bsundarrajansrivil liputtur@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Swamin > > adiyane's pranaams.> > Aathma hathi is prohibited. as per Dr V.sadagopan Swamin > > Can any one give complimentary sentences as per our > Ramanuja Sampradaayam to approce Sree Krishna Swamins email.> > At the same time.., if a body is suffering due to extreme pain.. is > it not fair on a humanitaian ground to lay the body to rest. > > Please make my decision clear. > > I have even opted for a Z9 donar to OHIP (- Medical Insurance)> (any of my body spare parts can be reused for medical research , for > implanting to others) > > Adiyaen> > Maaran's Dog. > > , Koti Sreekrishna <tatachar@> > wrote:> >> > Dear Swamins,> > > > > > > > We have instances in our scriptures, where people have?> > > > willingly left their material body as well as where the?> > > > pain duration is reduced by hastening death.> > > > > > > > > > In Ramayana, when Dasharatha mistakenly killed a muni putran,> > > > his blind parents, who had none else left to care for,> > > > willingly joined the pyre.> > > > We also read instances (for example Vali), where an arrow stuck in > the body is> > > > removed by another person, upon request by the ailing individual,?> > > > to hasten death.> > > > > > > > > > Of course, the third t ype (which is not generally applicable)> > > > ?is where the Lord kills someone as lost resort to put an end> > > > to miserable life of that person.> > > > > > dAsan> > > > > > > > > > tAtAchAr> > > > Dr.V.Sadagopan <yennappan@>> > > > Sat, 5 Jul 2008 9:20 pm> > Re: Mercy killing Regarding..,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SrI:> > > > Dear Sriman Sundararajan :> > > > "Mercy Killing " is totally prohibited in our> > Saastrams . It is a terrible thing to suffer > > Pain and it is traumatic for the Patient > > and the relatives . Purely from SaasthrEic > > point of view , both Athma Hatthi and > > Mercy Killing is not sanctioned .> > > > dehAvasAne Mukthi : is for Prapannan .> > V.Sadagopan > > - > > "bsundarrajansrivil liputtur" <bsundarrajansrivil liputtur@ >> > <>> > Friday, July 04, 2008 1:54 PM> > Mercy killing Regarding..,> > 0A> > > > > Shri:> > > > > > Dear All Bhagavatha Bandhus> > > > > > Adiyaen's pranaams.> > > > > > Adiyaen wanted to know if mercy killing is allowed in > sampradaayam.> > > > > > Toronto Hospital has a norm where they put the heart to rest > > > for those patients ., who are extremely suffering based on > > > acceptance / approval from their Guardian/Relatives. or those > > > who have no one to support.> > > > > > What is our sampradaayam saying ?> > > > > > Do we have to go through all the pain.> > > > > > Kanchi Perumal 's Saying : "Dehaa Vaasaney Muktis yaat " > > > > > > Is mercy killing approved as per our sampradaayam. ? > > > > > > Please advise.> > > > > > adiyaen> > > > > > - Maaran's Dog.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > > > > >

July 14, 2008

dear sirhow many times should we highlight the fact that this site is meant only for religious facts, commenteries / festivals etc. Inspite of repeated requests a few members keep on interrupting the site with weird facts that are not our concern. hope the moderator will in all earnestness block such mails RAJARAMAN--- On Mon, 14/7/08, Dr.V.Sadagopan <yennappan wrote:Dr.V.Sadagopan <yennappanRe: Re: Mercy killing

Regarding.., Date: Monday, 14 July, 2008, 5:58 PM

ï»¿

SrI:

Dear Moderator :

Let us focus on the main theme of

Divya desam web site to its central mission:

Information related to the divya dEsams

and stay clear of medical ethics and

Comments on Saastrams etc . There

are plenty of sites relating to them .

That in my humble opinion where these

questions should be raised and answered.

So,e filters need to be placed .

As a moderator of Oppiliappan , Malolan ,

Raama Bhakti and SaraNAgathy lists ,

I have also been experiencing

this problem . I am planning to

restate the mission statement

to have postings and discussions

related to the main goals of the lists

that I am responsible for . Mail to individuals

and among members should be fine on

controversial topics but the group members

can be spared from these unnecessary diversions .

SrimatE RaamAnujAya nama:

V.Sadagopan

-

Koti Sreekrishna

Sunday, July 13, 2008 12:28 AM

Re: Re: Mercy killing Regarding..,

>>>There is no place for MODERN INTERPRETATION as for as SAASTRAS is concerned dhasan, N.PADMANABAN<<

Obviously, there is no place for such shastras in the modern world!

Not one verse in the Bhagavadgita says don't donate organs; BG only

condemns people who take severe penance, torturing themselves

for personal gain. Besides BG (minus bhashyams), do we need any

other shastram in this day and age?

dAsan

KSTnarasimhan padmanaban <npn72000 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 4:14 amRe: Re: Mercy killing Regarding..,

Dear MEMBERS, www.kinchitkaramtru st.org has got a Q & A LINK UNDER THE HEADING --SPIRITUAL QUEST---- SRI VELUKKUDI KRISHNAN IS answering the questions Q275-is on ORGAN DONATION and SWAMYS ANSWER: SAASTRAS DO NOT ALLOW VOLUNTARY ORGAN DONATION.NOTHING WRONG IF AN ORGAN IS LOST IN AN ACCIDENT---and in Q237 SRI VELUKKUDI KRISHNAN ANSWERS: KINDLY DISTANCE YOURSELF FROM THOSE WHO WANT TO QUESTION THE SAASTRAS. WILL THEY DARE A CONTEMPT OF COURT? THIS IS MUCH MUCH MORE SERIOUS CONTEMPT OF DIVINE ORDER There is no place for MODERN INTERPRETATION as for as SAASTRAS is concerned dhasan, N.PADMANABAN

HARE RAAMA HARE RAAMA RAAMA RAAMA HARE HARE

HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE

--- On Thu, 10/7/08, bsundarrajansrivill iputtur <bsundarrajansrivill iputtur (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote:

bsundarrajansrivill iputtur <bsundarrajansrivill iputtur (AT) (DOT) ca> Re: Mercy killing Regarding..,Thursday, 10 July, 2008, 7:41 PM

Dear swamin I agree with you. "Dehaa vaasaney mukthisyaat. " we are not killing ourself right away. we tried to live as much as we can. we cant furtherlive due to extreme disease and pain. so it may be acceptable., Koti Sreekrishna <tatachar@ .. .> wrote:>> Dear Swamin,> > If you get headache or toothache, you don't take any medication?> What is the use of Ayurvedam, if every pain/suffering is prayaschittam> for poorva karmams?> > dAsan> > K.S. tAtAchAr> > > DWARAKANATHAN RAGHAVACHARI <dwarakanathanr@ ...>> > Wed, 9 Jul 2008 6:10 am> Re: Re: Mercy killing Regarding..,> > > > 9.07.08> > NARAYANA! NARAYANA!> > IF ACCORDING TO OUR SCRIPTURES SUFFERING AND PAIN IS THE PRICE OF OUR MISDEEEDS, PAST AND PRESENT, TO BE UNDERGONE, THEN MERCY KILLING WOULD APPEAR TO NEGATE THE CONCEPT, AND IN TERMS OUR SCRIPTURAL EXPLANATION, SUBJECT THE INDIVIDUAL FOR FURTHER BIRTHS TO DISCHARGE THE BURDEN OF HIS SINS.> > DWARAKANATHAN> > ?> > On 7/7/08, bsundarrajansrivill iputtur <bsundarrajansrivil liputtur@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Swamin > > adiyane's pranaams.> > Aathma hathi is prohibited. as per Dr V.sadagopan Swamin > > Can any one give complimentary sentences as per our > Ramanuja Sampradaayam to approce Sree Krishna Swamins email.> > At the same time.., if a body is suffering due to extreme pain.. is > it not fair on a humanitaian ground to lay the body to rest. > > Please make my decision clear. > > I have even opted for a Z9 donar to OHIP (- Medical Insurance)> (any of my body spare parts can be reused for medical research , for > implanting to others) > > Adiyaen> > Maaran's Dog. > > , Koti Sreekrishna <tatachar@> > wrote:> >> > Dear Swamins,> > > > > > > > We have instances in our scriptures, where people have?> > > > willingly left their material body as well as where the?> > > > pain duration is reduced by hastening death.> > > > > > > > > > In Ramayana, when Dasharatha mistakenly killed a muni putran,> > > > his blind parents, who had none else left to care for,> > > > willingly joined the pyre.> > > > We also read instances (for example Vali), where an arrow stuck in > the body is> > > > removed by another person, upon request by the ailing individual,?> > > > to hasten death.> > > > > > > > > > Of course, the third t ype (which is not generally applicable)> > > > ?is where the Lord kills someone as lost resort to put an end> > > > to miserable life of that person.> > > > > > dAsan> > > > > > > > > > tAtAchAr> > > > Dr.V.Sadagopan <yennappan@>> > > > Sat, 5 Jul 2008 9:20 pm> > Re: Mercy killing Regarding..,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SrI:> > > > Dear Sriman Sundararajan :> > > > "Mercy Killing " is totally prohibited in our> > Saastrams . It is a terrible thing to suffer > > Pain and it is traumatic for the Patient > > and the relatives . Purely from SaasthrEic > > point of view , both Athma Hatthi and > > Mercy Killing is not sanctioned .> > > > dehAvasAne Mukthi : is for Prapannan .> > V.Sadagopan > > - > > "bsundarrajansrivil liputtur" <bsundarrajansrivil liputtur@ >> > <>> > Friday, July 04, 2008 1:54 PM> > Mercy killing Regarding..,> > 0A> > > > > Shri:> > > > > > Dear All Bhagavatha Bandhus> > > > > > Adiyaen's pranaams.> > > > > > Adiyaen wanted to know if mercy killing is allowed in > sampradaayam.> > > > > > Toronto Hospital has a norm where they put the heart to rest > > > for those patients ., who are extremely suffering based on > > > acceptance / approval from their Guardian/Relatives. or those > > > who have no one to support.> > > > > > What is our sampradaayam saying ?> > > > > > Do we have to go through all the pain.> > > > > > Kanchi Perumal 's Saying : "Dehaa Vaasaney Muktis yaat " > > > > > > Is mercy killing approved as per our sampradaayam. ? > > > > > > Please advise.> > > > > > adiyaen> > > > > > - Maaran's Dog.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > > > > >

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Swamins I am in full agreement with the views expressed- we have discussed enough in this subject and it is endless. AdiyenS.V.KRISHNANDirector'GSR Business Services Pvt LtdVJ Flats, 64/1 Fourth Main, GandhinagarAdyar, Chennai 600020Phones 42115625/22415626® 2448 8560mobile 99400 95670 From: yennappanDate: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:28:21 -0400Re: Re: Mercy killing Regarding..,ï»¿ SrI: Dear Moderator : Let us focus on the main theme of Divya desam web site to its central mission:Information related to the divya dEsams and stay clear of medical ethics and Comments on Saastrams etc . There are plenty of sites relating to them .That in my humble opinion where these questions should be raised and answered.So,e filters need to be placed . As a moderator of Oppiliappan , Malolan ,Raama Bhakti and SaraNAgathy lists , I have also been experiencing this problem . I am planning to restate the mission statement to have postings and discussions related to the main goals of the liststhat I am responsible for . Mail to individuals and among members should be fine on controversial topics but the group members can be spared from these unnecessary diversions . SrimatE RaamAnujAya nama:V.Sadagopan - Koti Sreekrishna Sunday, July 13, 2008 12:28 AMRe: Re: Mercy killing Regarding.., >>>There is no place for MODERN INTERPRETATION as for as SAASTRAS is concerned dhasan, N.PADMANABAN<< Obviously, there is no place for such shastras in the modern world!Not one verse in the Bhagavadgita says don't donate organs; BG onlycondemns people who take severe penance, torturing themselvesfor personal gain. Besides BG (minus bhashyams), do we need any other shastram in this day and age? dAsanKSTnarasimhan padmanaban <npn72000 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Sent: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 4:14 amRe: Re: Mercy killing Regarding.., Dear MEMBERS, www.kinchitkaramtrust.org has got a Q & A LINK UNDER THE HEADING --SPIRITUAL QUEST---- SRI VELUKKUDI KRISHNAN IS answering the questions Q275-is on ORGAN DONATION and SWAMYS ANSWER: SAASTRAS DO NOT ALLOW VOLUNTARY ORGAN DONATION.NOTHING WRONG IF AN ORGAN IS LOST IN AN ACCIDENT---and in Q237 SRI VELUKKUDI KRISHNAN ANSWERS: KINDLY DISTANCE YOURSELF FROM THOSE WHO WANT TO QUESTION THE SAASTRAS. WILL THEY DARE A CONTEMPT OF COURT? THIS IS MUCH MUCH MORE SERIOUS CONTEMPT OF DIVINE ORDER There is no place for MODERN INTERPRETATION as for as SAASTRAS is concerned dhasan, N.PADMANABANHARE RAAMA HARE RAAMA RAAMA RAAMA HARE HAREHARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE --- On Thu, 10/7/08, bsundarrajansrivilliputtur <bsundarrajansrivilliputtur (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote:bsundarrajansrivilliputtur <bsundarrajansrivilliputtur (AT) (DOT) ca> Re: Mercy killing Regarding.., Date: Thursday, 10 July, 2008, 7:41 PMDear swamin I agree with you. "Dehaa vaasaney mukthisyaat. " we are not killing ourself right away. we tried to live as much as we can. we cant furtherlive due to extreme disease and pain. so it may be acceptable., Koti Sreekrishna <tatachar@ .. .> wrote:>> Dear Swamin,> > If you get headache or toothache, you don't take any medication?> What is the use of Ayurvedam, if every pain/suffering is prayaschittam> for poorva karmams?> > dAsan> > K.S. tAtAchAr> > > DWARAKANATHAN RAGHAVACHARI <dwarakanathanr@ ...>> > Wed, 9 Jul 2008 6:10 am> Re: Re: Mercy killing Regarding..,> > > > 9.07.08> > NARAYANA! NARAYANA!> > IF ACCORDING TO OUR SCRIPTURES SUFFERING AND PAIN IS THE PRICE OF OUR MISDEEEDS, PAST AND PRESENT, TO BE UNDERGONE, THEN MERCY KILLING WOULD APPEAR TO NEGATE THE CONCEPT, AND IN TERMS OUR SCRIPTURAL EXPLANATION, SUBJECT THE INDIVIDUAL FOR FURTHER BIRTHS TO DISCHARGE THE BURDEN OF HIS SINS.> > DWARAKANATHAN> > ?> > On 7/7/08, bsundarrajansrivill iputtur <bsundarrajansrivil liputtur@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Swamin > > adiyane's pranaams.> > Aathma hathi is prohibited. as per Dr V.sadagopan Swamin > > Can any one give complimentary sentences as per our > Ramanuja Sampradaayam to approce Sree Krishna Swamins email.> > At the same time.., if a body is suffering due to extreme pain.. is > it not fair on a humanitaian ground to lay the body to rest. > > Please make my decision clear. > > I have even opted for a Z9 donar to OHIP (- Medical Insurance)> (any of my body spare parts can be reused for medical research , for > implanting to others) > > Adiyaen> > Maaran's Dog. > > , Koti Sreekrishna <tatachar@> > wrote:> >> > Dear Swamins,> > > > > > > > We have instances in our scriptures, where people have?> > > > willingly left their material body as well as where the?> > > > pain duration is reduced by hastening death.> > > > > > > > > > In Ramayana, when Dasharatha mistakenly killed a muni putran,> > > > his blind parents, who had none else left to care for,> > > > willingly joined the pyre.> > > > We also read instances (for example Vali), where an arrow stuck in > the body is> > > > removed by another person, upon request by the ailing individual,?> > > > to hasten death.> > > > > > > > > > Of course, the third t ype (which is not generally applicable)> > > > ?is where the Lord kills someone as lost resort to put an end> > > > to miserable life of that person.> > > > > > dAsan> > > > > > > > > > tAtAchAr> > > > Dr.V.Sadagopan <yennappan@>> > > > Sat, 5 Jul 2008 9:20 pm> > Re: Mercy killing Regarding..,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SrI:> > > > Dear Sriman Sundararajan :> > > > "Mercy Killing " is totally prohibited in our> > Saastrams . It is a terrible thing to suffer > > Pain and it is traumatic for the Patient > > and the relatives . Purely from SaasthrEic > > point of view , both Athma Hatthi and > > Mercy Killing is not sanctioned .> > > > dehAvasAne Mukthi : is for Prapannan .> > V.Sadagopan > > - > > "bsundarrajansrivil liputtur" <bsundarrajansrivil liputtur@ >> > <>> > Friday, July 04, 2008 1:54 PM> > Mercy killing Regarding..,> > 0A> > > > > Shri:> > > > > > Dear All Bhagavatha Bandhus> > > > > > Adiyaen's pranaams.> > > > > > Adiyaen wanted to know if mercy killing is allowed in > sampradaayam.> > > > > > Toronto Hospital has a norm where they put the heart to rest > > > for those patients ., who are extremely suffering based on > > > acceptance / approval from their Guardian/Relatives. or those > > > who have no one to support.> > > > > > What is our sampradaayam saying ?> > > > > > Do we have to go through all the pain.> > > > > > Kanchi Perumal 's Saying : "Dehaa Vaasaney Muktis yaat " > > > > > > Is mercy killing approved as per our sampradaayam. ? > > > > > > Please advise.> > > > > > adiyaen> > > > > > - Maaran's Dog.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > > > > >

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