History - Nehru : 10'th House and Father in Classics

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Dear Sir,

Pls find the The shloka from Shambhu Hora Prakash, Pls refer to shloka No. 189. of "Dasham Bhava Vichara" :!! Shubham Nivasam Janakah padaptim Vrishtistwa PitraPaksha Gyatam!!Janakah = Father, PitraPaksha = Father.

It's taken from R Santhanam's sanskrit - english version of Shambhu Hora Prakash, Next, I m happy to reveal a rarely known fact about Nehru.

1. Pls. refer to Nehru's AutoBiography published by Penguin, He writes in pages from 132 to 138 in a chapter titled as "My Father and GandhiJi". he describes his appreciation and close relationship with his father and difference with Gandhi Ji, In 1924, Nehru sent his resignation to leave Congress because like his father he was not in agreement with Gandhi Ji, Nehru says that the way Gandhi Ji is limiting membership is like a violance to established rules of Congress

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Dear Lalit,

 

I have already said that if you want to believe 10th is for father you can do so and that I did not want to enter in to any argument on this account.

However it seems that you want to continue the discussions at some level. So first let me ask where is the shloka from Uttara kalamrita that you based your entire argument on with a rider that it is a 1500 year old text>

 

As to Shambhu Prakash hora, no doubt the shloka is right, but if 10th indicates the Father why should it show the wealth of father which should be the 11th if we accept 10th as the bhava fro father. So pray throw some light on why does Shambhuprakash hora say that when Sun is in 10th one gets wealth from the Father,and so on, at shloka 213?

 

As to accepting what Nehru wrote about his relations with his father, there is no reason to accept as gospel truth since barring Gandhi, not many Indian politicians are renowned for writing their true nature in auto biography. The fact of Motilal having left Congress but Nehru having stuck to Congress is a matter of record.

 

I had no intention to bring this on record but since you insisted on Nehru having only unadulterated good relations with his father and that indicating 10th being the bhava for father, I had reluctantly to bring out the facts, much as it pained me to do so. I do not deny Nehru was close to his father as he derived the power from the influence Motilal had on Gandhi. But that he had only good relations as you tried to project is far from truth. Their love was never of Mythological proportion as was claimed by you and that is what I said in the message. If you want to read more than what is said therein, I can not ask you not to. The words mythological proportion are yours and not mine.

 

I have consistently asked you to post shloka from Uttara Kalamitra and you are avoiding that. For the knowledge of the readers, since you are insinuating that I am changing my stand and speaking far from truth, I will give the shloka below with the translation. I am sure the readers can see the true state of affairs.

 

Adhyaaya 5 part of shloka 17 that indicates the indications of the 9th bhava:

"puSTiH sajjana saMgatiH shubh pitrusvaputraputrystathaa."

 

I am sure one need not explain that Pitru means father. Could you now take out some time to give the shloka on which you based that classic (a 1500 years old as you called it) giving the karakatwas of father to 10th bhava.

 

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

 

 

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litsol

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

Saturday, October 11, 2008 10:19 PM

[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] History -> Nehru : 10'th House and Father in Classics

 

 

 

Dear Sir,

Pls find the The shloka from Shambhu Hora Prakash, Pls refer to shloka No. 189. of "Dasham Bhava Vichara" :!! Shubham Nivasam Janakah padaptim Vrishtistwa PitraPaksha Gyatam!!Janakah = Father, PitraPaksha = Father.

It's taken from R Santhanam's sanskrit - english version of Shambhu Hora Prakash, Next, I m happy to reveal a rarely known fact about Nehru.

1. Pls. refer to Nehru's AutoBiography published by Penguin, He writes in pages from 132 to 138 in a chapter titled as "My Father and GandhiJi". he describes his appreciation and close relationship with his father and difference with Gandhi Ji, In 1924, Nehru sent his resignation to leave Congress because like his father he was not in agreement with Gandhi Ji, Nehru says that the way Gandhi Ji is limiting membership is like a violance to established rules of Congress

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Dear Lalit,

 

If you think nobody in the world can justify their perception of relations between Nehru and his father, as against their relations etc.,based on the 9th being the bhava for father and Sun being the Karaka for father. So be it. I have no wish to wash the dirty linens of the Nehru family on the list to explain why the 9th does explain his father better. So I have no inputs to add.

 

However please do not expect me to treat 10th bhava as the bhava for father.

 

 

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

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litsol

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

Monday, October 13, 2008 7:53 PM

[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: History -> Nehru : 10'th House and Father in Classics

 

 

Dear Sir,You are the Guru of the group, the most learned and experienced amongmembers, your view on what house signifies father is in fact a legacyview and why i interacted with you was just for the reason that if ucome to the approving stage, will be good for astrology.With 9'th house for father nobody in world can analyze Nehru'shoroscope to know what kind of father he had and what kind ofrelationship they had. Nehru criticized Gandhi but Never criticized hisfather, and not only Nehru, in all 4 - 5 cases, 9'th lord dictum hasfailed.Sages have explored truth in their whole life and if we also revealtruth, we are following their path and my argument is only based ontruth and only on truth. I wish to close all such confusions so thatnext generation can have a clean clear and confirmed astrology in theirhand, I will end all the myths that one can not learn astrology in alife time etc.So, the matter is decided that 10'th house + Sun signifies the father.Now, we will explore why one get's wealth from father, if sun is placedin 10'th.We are bound to inherit something or the other from father, if not more,at least a genetic inheritance is always there, If Sun is there, meansfather is capable fatherly figure and he will obviously give his best tohis child.regards,LalitVedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear Lalit,>> I have already said that if you want to believe 10th is for father youcan do so and that I did not want to enter in to any argument on thisaccount.> However it seems that you want to continue the discussions at somelevel.>> So first let me ask where is the shloka from Uttara kalamrita that youbased your entire argument on with a rider that it is a 1500 year oldtext>>> As to Shambhu Prakash hora, no doubt the shloka is right, but if 10thindicates the Father why should it show the wealth of father whichshould be the 11th if we accept 10th as the bhava fro father. So praythrow some light on why does Shambhuprakash hora say that when Sun is in10th one gets wealth from the Father,and so on, at shloka 213?>> As to accepting what Nehru wrote about his relations with his father,there is no reason to accept as gospel truth since barring Gandhi, notmany Indian politicians are renowned for writing their true nature inauto biography. The fact of Motilal having left Congress but Nehruhaving stuck to Congress is a matter of record.>> I had no intention to bring this on record but since you insisted onNehru having only unadulterated good relations with his father and thatindicating 10th being the bhava for father, I had reluctantly to bringout the facts, much as it pained me to do so. I do not deny Nehru wasclose to his father as he derived the power from the influence Motilalhad on Gandhi. But that he had only good relations as you tried toproject is far from truth. Their love was never of Mythologicalproportion as was claimed by you and that is what I said in the message.If you want to read more than what is said therein, I can not ask younot to. The words mythological proportion are yours and not mine.>> I have consistently asked you to post shloka from Uttara Kalamitra andyou are avoiding that. For the knowledge of the readers, since you areinsinuating that I am changing my stand and speaking far from truth, Iwill give the shloka below with the translation. I am sure the readerscan see the true state of affairs.>> Adhyaaya 5 part of shloka 17 that indicates the indications of the 9thbhava:> "puSTiH sajjana saMgatiH shubh pitrusvaputraputrystathaa.">> I am sure one need not explain that Pitru means father. Could you nowtake out some time to give the shloka on which you based that classic (a1500 years old as you called it) giving the karakatwas of father to 10thbhava.>> Take care,> Chandrashekhar.>>>> -> litsol> Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Saturday, October 11, 2008 10:19 PM> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] History -> Nehru : 10'th House andFather in Classics>>>> Dear Sir,>> Pls find the The shloka from Shambhu Hora Prakash, Pls refer to shlokaNo. 189. of "Dasham Bhava Vichara" :>> !! Shubham Nivasam Janakah padaptim Vrishtistwa PitraPaksha Gyatam!!>> Janakah = Father, PitraPaksha = Father.>> It's taken from R Santhanam's sanskrit - english version of ShambhuHora Prakash, Next, I m happy to reveal a rarely known fact about Nehru.>> 1. Pls. refer to Nehru's AutoBiography published by Penguin, He writesin pages from 132 to 138 in a chapter titled as "My Father andGandhiJi". he describes his appreciation and close relationship with hisfather and difference with Gandhi Ji, In 1924, Nehru sent hisresignation to leave Congress because like his father he was not inagreement with Gandhi Ji, Nehru says that the way Gandhi Ji is limitingmembership is like a violance to established rules of Congress.>> He says, Gandhiji had no good sense of beauty but he admired naturalbeauty and like tajmahal, he also said he got despaired from gandhi jicoz he didn't get his answers, he says several times, gandhi ji hadhardly vision for future cource of action of movements against British,still, he follows gandhi ji.>> Next, he says, whatever differences with gandhiji his father had inhim, he has a strength of personality and kingly impression, he furthersays his father used to be center and hub of the parties wherever hegoes to, he further says, his father had a look like those of Italianemperors and refers to some incident when his one of italian friendssaid this about his father's charming persona. When his father left theCongress, he became inactive in Congress and not a single time heopposes or criticizes his father's move, Nehru maintains love anddignity to his father and at the same time doesnt stand against gandhiji, he also doesnt compare gandhi ji's political vision with hisfather's political vision.>> 2. It's my request to you to pls keep consistancy in the discussion,Quite contrary to what u said in last message, earlier in message no.#5221, You said Nehru was quite close to his father, ->> "Pandit Nehru had Sun in the 5th and yet it is not the 10th lord, thatbeing in the 3rd bhava. His 9th lord is also in the 6th but he wasfairly close to his father. That his father was very powerful man and itis only through his contacts with Gandhi that Nehru got close to him andthen became primeminister is common knowledge. You may like to thinkabout this too.">> Now, u completely changed ur opinion in the last message - "I do notfind the love between Jawaharlal and his father to be of mythologicalproportion. There are many references that say that Jawaharlal haddifferences with his father and leaving the party of Son to join anotherparty does not seem to fit in with your assertion to love between sonand father of mythological proportions".>> If u want me to post shlokas from other classics listed in my previousmessages, I will post them, but that's very combursome.>> Pls. trust me, my purpose is very clean and with no base and noconfirmation i never raise an argument.>> regards,> Lalit>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> >> > Dear Lalit,> >> > I never take anything at personal level. I only asked you to quotethe shloka that you said was in Uttara Kalamrita. When you quote thenames of classics, one has to be certain that they do say what oneclaims in their names. I have seen you quoting the same, coming fromShambhu Prakash Hora in a mail to Krishnan, yet that text does not sayso.> >> > I have already said that if you want to look at 10th as the bhavafor father, you can do so. But if you say that the logic you use provesall the sages to be wrong, I disagree.> >> > I do not find the love between Jawaharlal and his father to be ofmythological proportion. There are many references that say thatJawaharlal had differences with his father and leaving the party of Sonto join another party does not seem to fit in with your assertion tolove between son and father of mythological proportions. That Jawaharlalopposed marriage proposal brought in by his father, but finally gave inunder immense pressure, is well known. This certainly does not speak oflove between father and son, that was of mythological proportion, nomatter what is the popular public perception.> >> > Take care,> > Chandrashekhar.> >> >> >> >> >> > -> > litsol> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > Friday, October 10, 2008 7:40 PM> > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's House -10'th/9'th : Last effort> >> >> > Dear Sir,> >> > There is nothing to take a discussion to a personal ground, I m only> > doing an effort to update the astrology and remove it's confusing> > portion, otherwise, what's my interest in astrology ? whereastrology> > is required for me to do anything, there is no need to post to group> > anything. yesterday, I have left all the astrology's group coz, i> > found, cheats and beggers have become astrology guru and they are> > very good in lobying.> >> > that what's wrong is wrong, In nehru's case, 9'th lord not only goes> > to 6'th, it's further afflicted with Kety and on top of that Mars> > aspects it and there is no protecting cover of Jup's aspect.> >> > So, If 9'th and 9'th lord denotes Father, definitely, there is very> > high degree of affliction to 9'th lord which should lead to a> > division but history is evident how Motilal loved JwaharLal, hislove> > for Jawahar has become mythological.> >> > My argument is based on practical truth,when i presented it before,I> > had vague memory of classics where i did read them, i happen to> > include uttar kalamrita also, however, uttar kalamrita has not said> > anything on father fore sure, author has said "Pirtusya" (not> > remembering exactly) with respect to 9'th, i think he is trying to> > indicate as u said, father's wealth, which i find, expense of> > father's wealth, but not the father itself.> >> > I m fully aware of indian history,studied it very well.> >> > regards,> > Lalit> >> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Lalit,> > >> > > Why not give the shloka from Uttara Kalamrita that you based your> > argument on? That should suffice. There is no need to divert the> > discussion to any other classic.> > >> > > By the way, I do have Uttara kalamitra and have certainly read it.> > >> > > By the way, do you know that Motilal angered the Kashmiri Brahmins> > due to his western life style and frequent visits to England. Orthat> > Motilal gave up congress and Joined Swaraj party before returning to> > Congress on the failure of that party. So contrary to what you might> > think, Jawaharlal and his father did not always see eye to eye on> > many matters.> > >> > > Take care,> > > Chandrashekhar.> > >> > >> > > -> > > litsol> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:45 AM> > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's House -> > 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > >> > >> > > Sir,> > >> > > You are not supposed to do the analysis of Nehru's 9'th bhava,> > rather> > > u have to read his Father with help of 9'th and that without> > > distorting any other established principle, 9'th lord is> > afflicted> > > with ketu, placed in 6'th and aspected by Mars.> > >> > > So, you are not going to ignore these 3 basic things.> > >> > > I will put the shlokas from 5 -6 classics which said father has> > to be> > > seen from 10'th.> > >> > > I m not sure, u have read them or not, perhaps, you have not read> > > them that's why u are not able to review ur opinion,however, in> > last> > > 33 cases, ur findings about one's father was wrong, that's i> > > said, "Truth" doesnt need acceptance coz "Truth" works, If we> > dont> > > accept the truth, we do mistakes.> > >> > > regards,> > > Lalit> > >> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Lalit,> > > >> > > > I find you have not given the shloka from Uttara Kalamrita that> > you> > > claimed says 10th bhava represents the father. Once you give that> > > shloka, I shall certainly give my analysis of 9th bhava of Nehru.> > > >> > > > Take care,> > > >> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > >> > > >> > > > -> > > > litsol> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > Wednesday, October 08, 2008 8:02 PM> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's> > House -> > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > >> > > >> > > > Sir,> > > >> > > > Pls. analyze Nehru's horoscope taking 9'th as father and tell> > the> > > > group what results u get.> > > >> > > > I do not twist logic, I never said that Sun in not Karaka for> > > > father, if u remeber, I said, In Nehru and the other girl's> > case,> > > > Sun's placement in 5'th has made a loving relationship.> > > >> > > > regards,> > > > Lalit> > > >> > > > --- In> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > >> > > > > If you insist on ignoring the strength of karaka for father,> > > Sun,> > > > to understand the status of father, that is your prerogative.> > > > >> > > > > 9th also represents the husband of younger siblings and Nehru> > > did> > > > not have good relations with them is a known fact.> > > > >> > > > > But then as you have already decided that Uttara Kalamrita> > was> > > > written 1500 years back and must be the only text that must be> > > > considered as standard though many other classics do not think> > > 10th> > > > to be the house for father, you can do so. I would however like> > > you> > > > to quote the shloka from Uttara Kalamrita which says the 10th> > > bhava> > > > indicates father. I would also like to know why that text calls> > > the> > > > 9th as wealth of father if it wants to give the status of> > father> > > to> > > > the 10th bhava.> > > > >> > > > > I would also like to know that when you accept Uttara> > Kalamrita> > > as> > > > the standard text that overrides all else, pray why do you> > think> > > > Guru in the 6th does not give happiness, more so when the 6th> > > lord> > > > occupies the 6th bhava, though Uttara Kalamrita is very clear> > in> > > > this regard and says that it will also increase the indications> > > of> > > > bhava owned by it?> > > > >> > > > > I presume that now you will also like others to take Budha as> > > > karaka for father since it is karaka for the 10th bhava. I am> > > sure> > > > people will even accept that, but being dogmatic, as you prefer> > > to> > > > call me, I prefer to rely more on Vaidyanath, Mantreshwar,> > > > Parashara, Jaimini, Achyut, Jeevnath, Narada and also the> > learned> > > > author of Uttara Kalamrita when he only amplifies what has> > > already> > > > been stated by them and other numerous acharyas and Pravartakas> > > of> > > > Jyotish. If I am called dogmatic for that, then so be it.> > > > >> > > > > Take care,> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > -> > > > > litsol> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > Monday, October 06, 2008 11:08 PM> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's> > > House -> > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Sir,> > > > >> > > > > Being conservative is a very good thing, refinement and> > > > enhanement is> > > > > the most conservative approach, since the world came into> > > > exitance,> > > > > new explorations have been there in the place, and only most> > > > > conservative people have been accepting every new thing, but> > > > those who> > > > > are dogmatic, they do not accept the truth, truth doesnt want> > > any> > > > > acceptance.> > > > >> > > > > If u do not accept, you can never correct information about> > > find> > > > one's> > > > > father, Pls. try Nehru's case, what u have to say, 9'th lord> > in> > > > 6'th,> > > > > afflicted by Ketu and aspected by Mars.> > > > >> > > > > Uttar Kalamrita has been written at least some 1500 yrs back,> > > so,> > > > > 10'th being taken as Father's house is not new, I m> > surprised,> > > > why it> > > > > looks new to you.> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > > Lalit> > > > >> > > > > --- In> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > >> > > > > > I thought you were talking about some work by Mr. K. N. Rao> > > > himself> > > > > and not through his "Team". Anyway I cannot comment on what I> > > > have not> > > > > read and without looking at the charts and the logic used to> > > > prove> > > > > something.> > > > > >> > > > > > I may appear to be obstinate and conservative in accepting> > new> > > > > theories, but in these many years I have seen too many "New"> > > > systems> > > > > coming up and fail.I have seen dates of birth changed to even> > > > upto 2> > > > > years under the garb of time rectification to make a chart> > fit> > > a> > > > pet> > > > > theory or the author's perception of some public figure.> > > > > >> > > > > > I have seen too many times, people with a pet theory,> > getting> > > a> > > > > number of charts and totally misinterpreting them to conform> > to> > > > their> > > > > theories, to take something that is at complete variance with> > > > what> > > > > majority of sages have stated.> > > > > >> > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > -> > > > > > litsol> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > Sunday, October 05, 2008 11:54 AM> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's> > > > House -> > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > >> > > > > > Like any house has multiple significations, 10'th has too,> > > > along> > > > > > with work and fame, it signifies father.> > > > > >> > > > > > I can not deny 10'th is work and fame.> > > > > >> > > > > > I referred to recently published 'Finer Techniques in> > > > Astrological> > > > > > Predictions Part Two' or by K.N Rao and his research team,> > > > mostly> > > > > > they are saying same thing that we discussed many times in> > > > group,> > > > > > but, best part is they are receptive and open, Rahu in> > 11'th> > > > and> > > > > > 3rd. I have not found Rahu in 11'th works differently than> > > the> > > > > > dscribed in classics, Sri Rao's team is almost saying,> > coming> > > > very> > > > > > near the reality.> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > >> > > > > > --- In> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > It appears that you want everybody accept your premise> > that> > > > 10th> > > > > > is the house of father. If you think I am diverting,> > because> > > I> > > > point> > > > > > to the 10th being house of work and fame, that is your> > > opinion.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I do not comment on Mr. Rao's book., not knowing which> > one> > > > you are> > > > > > talking about.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Your insinuation that astrologers ignore daylight truth,> > as> > > > > > perceived by you is unfortunate to say the least.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Since you already think I will land in a mess, there is> > > > nothing> > > > > > further to discuss.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > However you may like to throw light on why the 5th from> > > 10th> > > > > > should show the house of father. Is this some other> > daylight> > > > truth> > > > > > that other astrologers are not able to see?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Please desist accusing me of diverting the topic when it> > is> > > > you> > > > > > who have chosen not to answer the points raised and have> > > > preferred> > > > > > to go off tangent about the size of house of Nehru's father> > > > and the> > > > > > love between them.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > -> > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > Saturday, October 04, 2008 2:15 PM> > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's> > > > House -> > > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sorry, I expect from you to put complete picture before> > the> > > > > > group, but u presented a portion of Nehru's horoscope, Pls.> > > do> > > > not> > > > > > divert, I m going to prove 10'th is father's house in this> > > > mail, I> > > > > > have a cope of Sri K.N Rao's book and group will see how a> > > > wrong> > > > > > dictum leads to another wrong dictum, If this happens to> > Sri> > > > K.N Rao> > > > > > what you w'd expect from others, Astrologers have to show> > > > courage> > > > > > and willingness to consider shortcomings in their approach,> > > > this is> > > > > > in their favor only, Let's discuss -> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Lagna : Cancer with Moon> > > > > > > 2nd H : Leo with Sat> > > > > > > 3rd : Virgo with Mars> > > > > > > 4'th : Libra with Mer + Venus> > > > > > > 5'th : Scorpio with Sun> > > > > > > 6'th : Saggi, Jup + Ketu, Jup is 9'th lord Jup> > > > > > > 12'th : Gemini with Rahu> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Why 9'th can not be father's house, in this case, 9'th> > lord> > > > Jup> > > > > > is placed in 6'th and afflicted with ketu, morevor, Mars> > > > aspects> > > > > > 9'th from 3rd house, a first sight case signifying great> > > > differences> > > > > > to the level of disputes, while analysing this horo to know> > > > one's> > > > > > ancestral houses, When Sri K. N Rao doesnt find a fitting> > > > reason, he> > > > > > happen to say, Rahu in 12'th, being 4'th from 9'th house> > > shows> > > > > > Nehru's Father has made a palace for him, he conveniently> > > > overlooked> > > > > > mars's aspect on 9'th also while evaluating father's status> > > > and> > > > > > palace, this is mockery of astrology.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Now,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Why 10'th signifies father, recall Motilal Nehru's status> > > > and> > > > > > height, now, pls. note that 10'th house receives 4 benific> > > > aspects,> > > > > > aspect of Jup, Ven,Merc and 10'th lord mars, this is> > > > significant> > > > > > that 10'th is aspcted by 10'th lord.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Why loving relationship between Nehu and Nehru's father,> > > Sun> > > > the> > > > > > karaka of father is placed in 5'th house of love, similar,> > > > placement> > > > > > that was there Scorpio lagna girl's case.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Why Nehru has a palatial house, just look at 4'th house> > of> > > > the> > > > > > horoscope, both Venus in own sign Libra + Merc is there,> > > > Motilal> > > > > > Nehru didbuy next big house when Jawahar Lal was running> > > > Venus/Merc> > > > > > dasha, How one can overlook, a good Malavya yoga, but when> > > one> > > > is> > > > > > based on wrong principles, he has to overlook. So, Sri K. N> > > > Rao too> > > > > > overlooked this placement and highlighted Rahu in 12'th> > being> > > > 4th> > > > > > from 9'th house, Why astrologers dont accept shortcomings> > in> > > > their> > > > > > theory, such an acceptance will take them to the true> > cause,> > > > near> > > > > > the truth ?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Pls look at Sat in 2nd, Nehru's family was living in an> > old> > > > area> > > > > > of Allahaband and in a old but relatively spacious house,> > 2nd> > > > lord> > > > > > Sun (father's significator) goes to 5'th house on scorpio> > the> > > > sign> > > > > > of mars, the Karaka for Property, shows initial position of> > > > family,> > > > > > but, this Sun's despositor Mars goes to 3'rd house of self> > > > efforts> > > > > > and an Upachaya indicating growth, thus father's progress> > and> > > > > > getting more property is certain by his own efforts.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Burning Question, to ignore a broad day light truth, how> > > > many> > > > > > truths astrologers want to ignore, Sir, Pls. analyze this> > > > chart> > > > > > taking 9'th as father's case, you will land in mess like> > Sri> > > > K.N Rao.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I have already given u the list of the classics which> > says> > > > 10'th> > > > > > is the father's house, pls do not divert.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > When you talk about good aspect on the 10th indicating> > a> > > > > > strong father, you forget that it is also karma sthana and> > > the> > > > > > people under discussions are successful. So why should that> > > > show> > > > > > 10th to be the house for father?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > That is why I thought no further progress can be made> > if> > > > you> > > > > > have made up your mind that all the classics are wrong and> > > > 10th> > > > > > represents father.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > Friday, October 03, 2008 9:02 PM> > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is> > Father's> > > > > > House - 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I have given cases after cases to show how 10'th and> > Sun> > > > > > combination> > > > > > > > gives accurate information about father, when i talk> > > about> > > > > > 10'th,> > > > > > > > aspects on 10'th and it's despositor all are included> > in> > > > that,> > > > > > I> > > > > > > > never excluded "Aspects effect" on 10'th.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I m not here to make up a false mind for my> > convenience,> > > > you> > > > > > gave> > > > > > > > Nehru's case, which happened to be a supportive case> > like> > > > > > Amitabh's> > > > > > > > and other cases, 10'th gets futher strength by benific> > > > > > aspects, where> > > > > > > > is doubt on that ?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > It's good to accept the truth after testifying it, I> > will> > > > > > welcome> > > > > > > > more testing from ur side or from any body who thinks> > > > 10'th> > > > > > doesnt> > > > > > > > denote Father, i m doing same thing which is initated> > by> > > > > > Parashara> > > > > > > > and which got approved by Shamhu Hora Prakash (written> > in> > > > > > south> > > > > > > > india), Satya Jatka,Uttar Kalamrita and many other> > > > classics.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > should be pls. do not question my understandings of> > basics> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Why now look at the aspect of Jupiter in Nehru's case> > > > when> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > earlier it was only placement of the 10th lord in the> > 5th> > > > that> > > > > > > > showed affection for father? Here when the 10th lord> > goes> > > > to> > > > > > the 3rd> > > > > > > > why there should not be enmity? Earlier you wanted to> > > > project> > > > > > that> > > > > > > > 9th lord going to 6th should indicate enmity with> > father> > > > if 9> > > > > > this to> > > > > > > > be considered as the house for father now with Amitabh,> > > > you do> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > think 10th lord going to the 8th should show being> > > distant> > > > > > with> > > > > > > > father.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > It seems like you have made up your mind that 10th is> > > > the> > > > > > house for> > > > > > > > father. So carrying these discussions may not yield> > much> > > > > > results.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > > Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:08 PM> > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is> > > > Father's> > > > > > House -> > > > > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thanx for constantly taking interest and considering> > > > more> > > > > > cases> > > > > > > > to reach> > > > > > > > > an educated conclusion.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 5'th has 3 basic significations - love and affection,> > > > > > learning and> > > > > > > > > imagination and progeny, Sun's placement itself> > > > indicates a> > > > > > loving> > > > > > > > > relationship with father.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Nehru's case: In fact, It's also a supporting case,> > If> > > i> > > > > > remember> > > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > chart correctly, 6'th placed Jup aspects 10'th house> > of> > > > > > father,> > > > > > > > and 2nd> > > > > > > > > house of family.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Amitabh's case : exalted Jup is placed in 6'th, so,> > his> > > > > > father was> > > > > > > > > also a learned and well reputed in society.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Now, presenting 2 cases where Lagna Lord's placement> > in> > > > 9'th> > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > should denote expenses as part of duty towards, has> > > > given> > > > > > similar> > > > > > > > chart.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Divya : born on 30'th july 1985, at 1:35 pm, New> > Delhi,> > > > she> > > > > > has to> > > > > > > > > support his father and family, her's is a Libra asc> > and> > > > > > venus is> > > > > > > > placed> > > > > > > > > in 9'th house, debilated 7'th lord placed in 10 but> > as> > > > Sun> > > > > > is also> > > > > > > > > there, father still has enough land and other> > immovable> > > > > > property> > > > > > > > but in> > > > > > > > > joint possession with his brothers.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Nikunj : born on 20 aug 1980 at gadag (karnataka) at> > > > 14:57> > > > > > PM, he> > > > > > > > is a> > > > > > > > > saggi asc, Sun and Jup both are in virgo in 9'th, he> > > > hardly> > > > > > earns> > > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > Rs 20,000 and sends some Rs. 10,000 - 12,000 to> > parents.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Ravi : again a saggi, and we have seen his case.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thus we see, if we go by 10'th and Sun's combination> > we> > > > get> > > > > > > > > straightforward explanation regarding father, we have> > > > also> > > > > > > > examined 9'th> > > > > > > > > as expenses, service and duty towards father.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The 5th lord represents the progeny and not the> > > > jataka, so> > > > > > it is> > > > > > > > > difficult to follow the logic of 5th and 10th lord> > > > > > exchanging> > > > > > > > places> > > > > > > > > leading to bond between the jataka and father, even> > > > > > assuming, but> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > admitting, that 10th may be taken to represent father.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sun in this case happens to be the karaka as well> > as> > > > the> > > > > > 10th> > > > > > > > lord, so> > > > > > > > > its good placement and the father being powerful can> > > not> > > > > > prove> > > > > > > > that 10th> > > > > > > > > bhava is for father.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > But as I say, if you can interpret the chart better> > > > with> > > > > > those> > > > > > > > > parameters, that is fine. Only the example does not> > > show> > > > > > that> > > > > > > > 10th is> > > > > > > > > the bhava for the father. Pandit Nehru had Sun in the> > > > 5th> > > > > > and yet> > > > > > > > it is> > > > > > > > > not the 10th lord, that being in the 3rd bhava. His> > 9th> > > > lord> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > also in> > > > > > > > > the 6th but he was fairly close to his father. That> > his> > > > > > father> > > > > > > > was very> > > > > > > > > powerful man and it is only through his contacts with> > > > Gandhi> > > > > > that> > > > > > > > Nehru> > > > > > > > > got close to him and then became primeminister is> > > common> > > > > > > > knowledge. You> > > > > > > > > may like to think about this too.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:51 PM> > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is> > > > Father's> > > > > > > > House -> > > > > > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Pls. do not take me wrong, I m always open for> > every> > > > > > thing,> > > > > > > > closing> > > > > > > > > > my mind to my liking or to views to which i m> > > > comfortable,> > > > > > will> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > help objective of updating the astrology to today's> > > > needs.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I have given required weightage to Sun the karaka> > for> > > > the> > > > > > > > father in> > > > > > > > > > this case, Pls. note that I said, exchange between> > > Sun> > > > and> > > > > > Jup> > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > 5'th and 10'th has made a special bond between girl> > > > and> > > > > > father.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Father is well placed and a director of dept of> > > > > > environment> > > > > > > > with MP> > > > > > > > > > Govt, exchange exchange between Sun and Jup also> > > > signifies> > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > factor.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regarding Pravajya, I have noticed, Rahu's> > > involvement> > > > > > cancells> > > > > > > > > > Pravajya, We have seen 4 cases in our group where 4> > > or> > > > 5> > > > > > > > planets are> > > > > > > > > > togather but as there is Rahu, they have not given> > up> > > > the> > > > > > > > > > significations of the concerned house rather they> > > have> > > > > > become> > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > inclined to the significations, becomes more> > worldy :> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 1. Saurabh : Libra Lagna, 11'th has> > Sun+Sat+Jup+Rahu> > > > in> > > > > > 11'th> > > > > > > > and his> > > > > > > > > > focus is on earning more and more.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 2. This Girl : Scorpio Lagna, 10'th has> > > > Jup+Mars+Sat+Rahu,> > > > > > She> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > exceptionaly profession minded.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 3. Col SJ Singh: Saggitarius Lagna : 2nd house has> > > > > > > > Venus+Merc+Sun+Rahu> > > > > > > > > > and at the age of 74, he is struggling for setting> > up> > > > a> > > > > > factory> > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > his family members, still, working as President of> > > His> > > > > > group of> > > > > > > > > > companies.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 4. Ravi : The Guy to which i said is a contributer> > > for> > > > > > > > tomorrow's> > > > > > > > > > India, Saggitarius Lagna, 9'th house has> > > > > > > > Sun+Jup+Saturn+Merc+Rahu and> > > > > > > > > > he is exceptionally dedicated to his duties, his> > > > father's> > > > > > > > sickness> > > > > > > > > > has finishe all the savings and he is supporting> > > > family,> > > > > > Ravi's> > > > > > > > case> > > > > > > > > > also proves 9'th dosnt signify father but refers to> > > > > > father's> > > > > > > > health> > > > > > > > > > and expenses on father.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > > >> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Since you think you have already established that> > > > 10th> > > > > > is for> > > > > > > > > > father, you will not like to see the chart from any> > > > angle> > > > > > than> > > > > > > > yours.> > > > > > > > > > So it is not very wise for me to point out that 9th> > > > lord> > > > > > going> > > > > > > > to 6th> > > > > > > > > > does not indicate clashes with father as 6th and> > 9th> > > > are> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > mutual> > > > > > > > > > square. You do not seem to give any weightage to> > > > Karaka> > > > > > for> > > > > > > > father> > > > > > > > > > and are free to take your own view of the matter.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I am sure you are better informed about how> > > > Pravrajya> > > > > > yoga is> > > > > > > > > > formed, but I do seem to remember that Parashara in> > > > his> > > > > > chapter> > > > > > > > on> > > > > > > > > > Pravrajya does say that when 4 or more than four> > > > grahas,> > > > > > when in> > > > > > > > > > strength occupy a rasi, pravrajya is caused.> > Barring> > > > Rahu> > > > > > all> > > > > > > > three> > > > > > > > > > grahas are retrograde and Rahu is always retrograde> > > so> > > > the> > > > > > > > grahas are> > > > > > > > > > indeed strong. I think almost all classics repeat> > > this> > > > > > position.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:36 PM> > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Which is> > > > Father's> > > > > > House -> > > > > > > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Deear Neenu, Group and Sri Chandrashekhar Ji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I m giving the girl's horoscope :> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Lagna : Scorpio,> > > > > > > > > > > 4'th : Merc + Ketu on Aquarius> > > > > > > > > > > 5'th : Sun on Pisces (10'th lord)> > > > > > > > > > > 6'th : Moon (9'th lord) + Venus (7'th lord)> > > > > > > > > > > 10'th : Sat (3rd and 4'th lord) + Jup (5'th lord)> > +> > > > Mars> > > > > > > > (lagna> > > > > > > > > > lord) + Rahu> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Now, If we take 9'th is a true house for father,> > > > it's> > > > > > going to> > > > > > > > > > 6'th house, should create differences between them,> > > > but> > > > > > she> > > > > > > > shares a> > > > > > > > > > special bond with her father , why ?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Becoz, 5'th lord of affection and love is in> > 10'th> > > > house> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > father and profession and 10'th lord Sun is placed> > in> > > > 5'th> > > > > > > > house of> > > > > > > > > > love and affection so, this girl and her father> > > shares> > > > a> > > > > > > > special bond> > > > > > > > > > of love.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Neenu, You are right, 10'th house has Jup, Satu,> > > > Mars> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > Rahu,> > > > > > > > > > There is no Pravajya, this combination makes her> > > > > > workaholic,her> > > > > > > > life> > > > > > > > > > is her profession and her father.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Father's Status : Father is highly placed, this> > > > > > horoscope has> > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > clue for that also, same exhange between Sun and> > Jup> > > > from> > > > > > 5'th> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > 10'th house denotes a Raj Yoga to father.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Neenu, in ur case, 10'th lord Sun has gone to> > 6'th> > > > > > house,> > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > is a prime cause of having differences with ur> > father.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > So, I hope, I have established 10'th is the house> > > of> > > > > > father> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > 9'th is expenses and health of father, similar to> > > > 12'th> > > > > > house> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > Lagna. Hardly there is any scope for confusion. I m> > > > very> > > > > > clear> > > > > > > > on my> > > > > > > > > > findings as I do that with a vision to update> > > > astrology to> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > needs> > > > > > > > > > of this age, recently, I have done good work to> > find> > > > out> > > > > > stream> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > management - Investment, Finance, Marketting, or> > > > General> > > > > > Admin.> > > > > > > > I got> > > > > > > > > > clue from some classics which are not too popular> > but> > > > thir> > > > > > > > auther's> > > > > > > > > > have done good work.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> > > > neenu> > > > > > > > > > <mechumla@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Lalit,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I though pravrajya yoga is only if there are 5> > > > planets> > > > > > in a> > > > > > > > > > house. So how does this girl native have that yoga,> > > as> > > > she> > > > > > has> > > > > > > > only 4> > > > > > > > > > planets in 10th.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following this thread with much> > > > interest,> > > > > > as the> > > > > > > > > > girl here has a horoscope very similar to mine, at> > > > least> > > > > > in my> > > > > > > > naive> > > > > > > > > > understanding.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > lagna is vrishchika with moon.> > > > > > > > > > > > 4th house kumbha with ketu> > > > > > > > > > > > 6 th house aries with sun and mercury> > > > > > > > > > > > 8 th house gemini with venus> > > > > > > > > > > > 10 th house simha with saR + ju + ma + ra> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Going by the discussion if I am right, Su which> > > > > > represent> > > > > > > > > > father in my case is in 6th house, which is 9th> > from> > > > 10th> > > > > > house.> > > > > > > > > > Mercury is my PirtaKaraka, and is aspected by Rahu> > +> > > > Ju.> > > > > > My> > > > > > > > ninth> > > > > > > > > > house lord moon is debilitated at lagna.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I am not very close with my father, and did not> > > > have> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > best> > > > > > > > > > of relationship with him. In the past eight years> > if> > > I> > > > > > have to> > > > > > > > > > literally calculate, I have only spent about 40-45> > > > days> > > > > > living> > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > him and must have spoken on phone not more then 10-> > 11> > > > hrs> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > time> > > > > > > > > > cumulative.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Much of this statistic is exaggerated, as I> > have> > > > been> > > > > > away> > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > home since the age of 19, but whenever i do call> > > home,> > > > I> > > > > > mostly> > > > > > > > speak> > > > > > > > > > with my mother, with father it doesnt go beyond a> > > > minute.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > But even when I was at home from the age of 10-> > > 18,> > > > I> > > > > > did> > > > > > > > argue> > > > > > > > > > with him a lot.Its not that I dislike him, but> > > > anything he> > > > > > says> > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > interpret it in a wrong way, or end up not liking> > it.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > Neenu> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 9/30/08, litsol litsol@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol litsol@> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two> > > > Potential> > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari> > > > Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 4:52 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > The case is extremely opposit to what you> > have> > > > > > stated. She> > > > > > > > > > > > > has not> > > > > > > > > > > > > given up her father rather she is a Dad's> > > > daughter,> > > > > > her> > > > > > > > > > > > > life revolves> > > > > > > > > > > > > around her father and she follows her dad> > even> > > > in her> > > > > > > > > > > > > personal life.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > She can foresake anything if father asks, she> > > > has> > > > > > done it> > > > > > > > > > > > > always.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> > > > > > > > > > > > > "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not yet replied to my question> > about> > > > > > > > > > > > > pravrajya related to> > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th and father. Will than not clarify the> > > > concept> > > > > > better?> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exchange of 5th and 10th lord indicates> > that> > > > they> > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > > > > give results> > > > > > > > > > > > > as if in own rasis. So work could be related> > to> > > > > > acquired> > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge or> > > > > > > > > > > > > the jataka may give up higher studies. But> > > > analyzing> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart without> > > > > > > > > > > > > reference to other grahas is more than likely> > > to> > > > > > lead to> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > > > > > > inferences being drawn than confirming some> > > > point or> > > > > > > > other.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to forget that in this case Sun is> > > > not> > > > > > only> > > > > > > > > > > > > the 10th lord> > > > > > > > > > > > > but the karaka for father. So coming to any> > > > > > conclusions> > > > > > > > > > > > > about whether> > > > > > > > > > > > > the 9th or the 10th is the house to be> > > > considered for> > > > > > > > > > > > > father, here ,> > > > > > > > > > > > > may not be very logical.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 9th lord is also Karaka for the Jataka's> > > > > > > > > > > > > mother so it is mother> > > > > > > > > > > > > who is likely to have suffered as the 4th is> > > > also> > > > > > occupied> > > > > > > > > > > > > by Ketu> > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct Mercury and in aspect of many> > > malefics,> > > > > > though> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter also> > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects the 4th.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 29, 2008 5:45 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two> > > > > > > > > > > > > Potential Horoscopes> > > > > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this case, 5'th lod is in 10'th, and> > > > > > > > > > > > > 10t'h lord is in 5'th,> > > > > > > > > > > > > there is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a exchange between Jup and Sun, pls. let's> > > know> > > > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. considering 10'th as father's house, what> > > > > > > > > > > > > kind of father it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicates, his position and status in> > society> > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship> > > > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > father.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. considering 9'th as father's house, what> > > > > > > > > > > > > kind of father it> > > > > > > > > > > > > indicates,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > his position and status in society and> > > > relationship> > > > > > > > > > > > > with father,> > > > > > > > > > > > > If I m> > > > > > > > > > > > > > right, 9'th lord has gone to 6'th house,> > > > > > > > > > > > > though, an afflicted and> > > > > > > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > > > > > weak Jup aspects it from 10'th. That guru> > is> > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > company of - Sat,> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and mars.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. What should be result of Pravajya in> > 10'th> > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > this case ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your answers will clear the confusion> > forever,> > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes, in lack> > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fitting horoscopes wrong theories> > cireculate,> > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > luckily we have> > > > > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fitting horosope to show the distinction.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> > > > > > > > > > > > > "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you mean she gave up her father or> > > forsake> > > > > > > > > > > > > him in his hour> > > > > > > > > > > > > of need?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The girl's Mars dasha has just begun and> > Guru,> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu, Saturn are> > > > > > > > > > > > > yet to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > commence. So how does this prove the 10th> > > > versus> > > > > > 9th> > > > > > > > > > > > > debate?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To:> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, September 28, 2008 3:50 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re:> > Two> > > > > > > > > > > > > Potential> > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp Chandrashekhar Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar,I wonder how u remain so cool> > and> > > so> > > > > > > > > > > > > nice, this is one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing i have to learn from u, living in> > > > > > > > > > > > > ur's company.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding the distinction of 10'th and> > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th bhavas with respect> > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father and pravajya, i have another> > > horoscope> > > > > > > > > > > > > that u analyzed> > > > > > > > > > > > > some 4> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months back.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date of Birth- 20th March 1980, 0.20 A.M> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Place - Rewa (M.P)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she has pravajya in her 10'th bhava, lagna> > > > > > > > > > > > > is scorpio, but she> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remained very adament on her job front,> > > > broken> > > > > > > > > > > > > her marriage but> > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > left her job.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is a worldy graha, has much oomph for> > > > > > > > > > > > > bhoga, so, keeps a> > > > > > > > > > > > > native> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inclined in his worldy affair with> > > exceptions> > > > > > > > > > > > > given to it.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A study this horoscope will settle the> > > > > > > > > > > > > confusion over both> > > > > > > > > > > > > nature of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pravajya and Father's house forever.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> > > > > > > > > > > > > "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord of the 9th and 10th together gives> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati> > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when in 9th or 10th but has nothing to do> > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > sacrifice for> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's sake. Coco Chanel has similar> > yoga> > > > > > > > > > > > > in her chart and> > > > > > > > > > > > > she did> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not sacrifice anything for her father's> > > > > > > > > > > > > sake. Actually she was> > > > > > > > > > > > > left> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at an orphanage and her parents married> > > after> > > > > > > > > > > > > her birth. Plus> > > > > > > > > > > > > her> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th and 10th lord are in 9th without any> > > > other> > > > > > > > > > > > > planets to give> > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > different interpretation to the results.> > In> > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > case of the> > > > > > > > > > > > > jataka> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are other grahas with those planets> > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > also the node and> > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not allow the results of> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga to come> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I can not agree with your proposition> > > > > > > > > > > > > to look at the 10th> > > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the bhava for father. However if you are> > > able> > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict right> > > > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that premise, you could use it as such.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To:> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:14> > PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re:> > > > > > > > > > > > > Two Potential> > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari> > > > > > > > > > > > > Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May i request to look at it this way -> > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th lord and 9'th> > > > > > > > > > > > > lord> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjoined and that in 9'th, the house> > > > > > > > > > > > > of duties, sacrifies,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kindness> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and charity, therefore for his duties> > > > > > > > > > > > > towards father(10'th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, )he> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > left his studies, 9'th is 12'th> > > > > > > > > > > > > (leaving, escaping etc.)to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th, we> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get straightforward explanation.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any way one thing is noticed that for> > his> > > > > > > > > > > > > duties he can leave> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything like MBA, this gives him very> > > > > > > > > > > > > basic elligibility for> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nation building material, Pls. note that> > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna and 4'th lord> > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matribhumi (mother nation) GURU is> > placed> > > > > > > > > > > > > in 9'th and which in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > turn> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects lagna itself, what more evident> > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3'rd lord of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > initiatives> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and courage also placed in 9'th and> > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct 4'th lord of> > > > > > > > > > > > > heart> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother nation with 10'th lord of> > > > > > > > > > > > > karma, this 3'rd house is> > > > > > > > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected by same Guru, Sone Pe Suhaga !!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if given proper inputs, proper> > > > > > > > > > > > > direction, he should do> > > > > > > > > > > > > every> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible thing for his matribhumi coz,> > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna and 4'th lord is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same and it aspects lagna too.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> > vattem> > > > > > > > > > > > > krishnan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bursar_99@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have correctly brought out both> > > > > > > > > > > > > issues of attending to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and higher studies.as 9th is also from> > 5th> > > > > > > > > > > > > to 5th.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Under the circumstances,the native> > > > > > > > > > > > > will be taking care of> > > > > > > > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father,as the pravrajya yoga makes him> > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > consider to attend> > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father as more important leading to> > > > > > > > > > > > > sacrifice of his own> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > future.In> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact it is an extreem condition like> > Lord> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sriram going to> > > > > > > > > > > > > forest> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > handing over the crown to Bharata.it is> > > > > > > > > > > > > likely that during the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > antar> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa of sun,conditions will be arising> > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > take to the> > > > > > > > > > > > > recourse.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vrkishnan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re:> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To:> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008,> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2:24 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no problem in exploring the> > > > > > > > > > > > > possibilities. However> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should remember that we are trying to> > > > > > > > > > > > > prove some sage wrong> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forgetting that we are using most of the> > > > > > > > > > > > > principles given by> > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sage, not having devised a new system by> > > > > > > > > > > > > ourselves.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would think doing both MBA and> > > > > > > > > > > > > attending to father would> > > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like observing the 9th bhava> > indications.> > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th bhava after all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represent higher studies (5th from 5th)> > so> > > > > > > > > > > > > he did give up the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indications of the 9th bhava and the> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pravrajya did produce the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results.Maybe it is the dasha which will> > > > > > > > > > > > > tell when he may take> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pravrajya from faith or duties. Of> > course> > > > > > > > > > > > > my comments are only> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > academic in nature as I do not know> > > > > > > > > > > > > anything about the person.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > > > > > > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008> > > > > > > > > > > > > 9:31 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing]> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Two Potential> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari> > > > > > > > > > > > > Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After his B.Tech, this guy was doing> > > > > > > > > > > > > his MBA that he left> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > halfway> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because he was required at home> > > > > > > > > > > > > during father's ailment.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > purpose of my writing so many things> > > > > > > > > > > > > in groups is to open> > > > > > > > > > > > > new> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > avenues> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to review some dogmas that we> > > > > > > > > > > > > developed in last few> > > > > > > > > > > > > centuries> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some in last 2 decades.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, we need to go back to> > > > > > > > > > > > > clssics and some other time> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to enhabce and refine what is stated> > > > > > > > > > > > > there in.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > > > > > > > > aling@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think the Pravrajya yoga> > > > > > > > > > > > > in 9th allow him to be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > steady in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his duties?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vattem krishnan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > > > > > > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 23,> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2008 7:28 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh> > > > > > > > > > > > > ealing] Two Potential> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case of first chart moon in> > > > > > > > > > > > > Aries in 5th,and sun in 9th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the sign of simha with Rahu and 5> > > > > > > > > > > > > more planets.The sign> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raising> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the sagittarus is agian a odd sign> > > > > > > > > > > > > fiery in nature.All these> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > three> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagnas have influnce of> > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu,indicating struggles ahead of> > > > > > > > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue of marriage if seen from> > > > > > > > > > > > > the link of 5th and 7th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses,the boy seems to have made up> > > > > > > > > > > > > his mind about the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl.The> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage relation has all trials and> > > > > > > > > > > > > tribulations in the> > > > > > > > > > > > > first> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > case.with this back ground probably> > > > > > > > > > > > > his preparedness to> > > > > > > > > > > > > assume> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nation> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > building character is very distant.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second horo,shows all 1,5 and 9> > > > > > > > > > > > > houses of airy signs,again> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has ketu in 9th with rahu and saturns> > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect.Moon in 11th> > > > > > > > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benific aspects but has 5th lord in> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These indications in both the> > > > > > > > > > > > > cases only suggests that the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > native of chart may prepare for> > > > > > > > > > > > > struggles to fulfil his> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ideals.where> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as 2nd charts shall get some> > > > > > > > > > > > > recognition and status in life> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other above average person> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sequence of dasas in both chart> > > > > > > > > > > > > have to support for the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rise and fall for any native in life.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vrkrishnan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08,> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh> > > > > > > > > > > > > ealing] Two Potential> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365> > > > > > > > > > > > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > > > > > > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 22,> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2008, 3:48 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the first chart, I see> > > > > > > > > > > > > pravrajya yoga occurring in the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th bhava which could indicate either> > > > > > > > > > > > > giving up father or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > duties.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does have some raj yogas but they are> > > > > > > > > > > > > diluted by Rahu being> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 9th bhava. Mars aspecting the> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna would give the> > > > > > > > > > > > > temper,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could you tell what yoga you could> > > > > > > > > > > > > locate that would> > > > > > > > > > > > > indicate> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicates he is the right material> > > > > > > > > > > > > for building India. Of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > course> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personally I think that every citizen> > > > > > > > > > > > > of this country could> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > build the country if only he does his> > > > > > > > > > > > > own duties properly> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expecting the Government to do them> > > > > > > > > > > > > for him.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the second case too, the 5th> > > > > > > > > > > > > and 9th bhavas seem to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffer to some extent and I for one> > > > > > > > > > > > > am not very certain if> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nation building material.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I could be totally wrong> > > > > > > > > > > > > having missed something that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you could see. So please elaborate.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As to the second chart,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > > > > > > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 22, 2008> > > > > > > > > > > > > 10:13 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh> > > > > > > > > > > > > ealing] Two Potential> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365> > > > > > > > > > > > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and> > > > > > > > > > > > > Other Elders,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Presenting two potential> > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscopes, to which I think> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to become contributor for building> > > > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow's India,> > > > > > > > > > > > > suddenly,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > started coming in contact with good> > > > > > > > > > > > > guys who can be shaped,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not born in royal families but they> > > > > > > > > > > > > have courage and will to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fight> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the true cause.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 1:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is exceptionally brilliant,> > > > > > > > > > > > > very sharp and fiery, an> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > engineer and like my younger> > > > > > > > > > > > > brogther, right now he has no> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inclinitation but i expect a lot from> > > > > > > > > > > > > this guy. Well, as per> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indication in the chart and as per> > > > > > > > > > > > > his query and desire, I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asked> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to find a bride of young age and that> > > > > > > > > > > > > before Nov 2008,> > > > > > > > > > > > > keeping> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru's> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > transit in mind, It was true, I see,> > > > > > > > > > > > > a transformation in his> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage life, what u elders see -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa (Spouse)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Caser 2.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the horoscope, you can> > > > > > > > > > > > > verify if Exalted and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Retrograde Planets Behave like> > > > > > > > > > > > > Debilitated Planets. Have not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > met> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this guy yet, but, as the chart> > > > > > > > > > > > > indicates, he is very> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > handsom ,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > convincing guy and have shown courage> > > > > > > > > > > > > to speak for the> > > > > > > > > > > > > truth,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expect, he will be a contributor for> > > > > > > > > > > > > the society -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He suffered great loss in> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun/Saturn/Saturn/ Saturn In> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > june, 2006, had to close the shop.> > > > > > > > > > > > > The vimshottari Period> > > > > > > > > > > > > goes> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "11-Jun-2006 to 20-Jun-2006> > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dissipation' of wealth,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > serious sickness, disintegration of> > > > > > > > > > > > > the family, compulsation> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taking food separately, deep distress> > > > > > > > > > > > > etc"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth Date & Time : Sat, 06> > > > > > > > > > > > > January 1979> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 05:28:00> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth : Narnaul,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Country : India> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Latitude : 28 3 N Longitude : 76> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6 E> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>