Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Fourth Triad and Further Chandrashekhar Sa'ab and dear Aavesh, The thread is getting exhilarating, the forum gaining in strength, I suppose. Let me write a few words for Lalit here. While other groups are for most part wading through the predicitve ephemera, here is one group that can keep (some of its) discourse firm on a plane that settles for nothing less than the terms and tenor of purushartha. First to Shree Chandrasekhar. You have said, "These are difficult concepts to explain in written words and I trust that I have done the best that I can." I think you can do even better, sir. The concepts appear difficult. When you get the right interlocutor(s), nothing need be difficult. They haven't been attempted so far. That's why. We have to tap into our samvit as we parley along. To Aavesh: Did you see the colour I have chosen for samvit. That is the colour assigned to it in colour symbology. Very refreshing response with very pointed clues furnished, that was from you. The forum says thank you. But I will dissent where I must, my dear. 12th you say is meditation and samadhi. 4th I say is turya. Where do we meet. I don't refute, but won't concede. Let me make the distinction as I understand the bhavas, I repeat as I understand the bhavas, and my understanding may be incomplete. First: 12th is 'antya'. It is 'ripha' too. The 'end' the 'precipice'. The body ends there. Its journey, better still. But it is not just a journey of the body as we all know. How do we understand the 12th (please allow me to say this as I reflect and muse here: Nobody need be cocksure what the 12th or 4th or 8th holds in store as we approach them as a purushartha triad)... Something had its udaya, the lagna. It goes through the arc of experience. It reaches its end point. Twelfth. Samadhi, yes. Meditation, no. Fourth. Meditation, yes. Samadhi, maybe. Samadhi happens (or is entered upon) as you leave the body: the 12th from 1st house. Our 'dehabodh' dissolves. Selfhood even. Our awarness of selfhood, I mean. And fourth is fulcrum. There you are 'established'. It hooks the heaven (10th) down as you dip in, dive in. We will have to examine the arc of experience vis-a-vis the astro configuration as we go along with a view exclusively to this 4th triad. Charts from Aavesh awaited. RK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Dear friend, 12th Samadhi - Yes. 4th Meditation - No. 5th meditation - Yes. 6th Concentration - Yes. 11th - Hurdles -yes. 8th- Occultism - yes. 3rd - Will power - yes. 2nd - Quality - Yes. 1st - Strength - Yes. 7th - Yogini - Yes. 9th - Divine help - Yes. 10th - Purushartha - Yes. Poetry is not understandable in astrology. We have to get down to facts. What will happen, when this is this. When this planet is placed here. When this lord of this house is placed here. When this planet is aspecting this planet and house. When this planet is in conjunction with this. When the 12th Lord of denial is placed in the 4th house it would produce detachment from domestic Life - yes. When 11th is strong woth above combination then, the person would be in active Life,and ready to complete his desires towards his family,without any attachment but detached.- Yes. We need practical pointers, not literary expositions. We need to know , whether it would happen, how it will happen, and when it would happen, and the quality of the hapenning, whether Rajasic,tamasic or sattwic, whether through, Bhakti Rasa,Rajyoga, Japa Yoga, or through Tantra Yoga. rgrds/Bhaskar. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " arkaydash " <arkaydash wrote: > > > Fourth Triad and Further > > Chandrashekhar Sa'ab and dear Aavesh, > > > The thread is getting exhilarating, the forum gaining in strength, I > suppose. Let me write a few words for Lalit here. While other groups are > for most part wading through the predicitve ephemera, here is one group > that can keep (some of its) discourse firm on a plane that settles for > nothing less than the terms and tenor of purushartha. > > First to Shree Chandrasekhar. You have said, " These are difficult > concepts to explain in written words and I trust that I have done the > best that I can. " I think you can do even better, sir. The concepts > appear difficult. When you get the right interlocutor(s), nothing need > be difficult. They haven't been attempted so far. That's why. We have to > tap into our samvit as we parley along. > > To Aavesh: Did you see the colour I have chosen for samvit. That is the > colour assigned to it in colour symbology. Very refreshing response with > very pointed clues furnished, that was from you. The forum says thank > you. But I will dissent where I must, my dear. > > 12th you say is meditation and samadhi. 4th I say is turya. Where do we > meet. I don't refute, but won't concede. Let me make the distinction as > I understand the bhavas, I repeat as I understand the bhavas, and my > understanding may be incomplete. First: 12th is 'antya'. It is 'ripha' > too. The 'end' the 'precipice'. The body ends there. Its journey, better > still. But it is not just a journey of the body as we all know. How do > we understand the 12th (please allow me to say this as I reflect and > muse here: Nobody need be cocksure what the 12th or 4th or 8th holds in > store as we approach them as a purushartha triad)... Something had its > udaya, the lagna. It goes through the arc of experience. It reaches its > end point. > > Twelfth. Samadhi, yes. Meditation, no. > > Fourth. Meditation, yes. Samadhi, maybe. > > Samadhi happens (or is entered upon) as you leave the body: the 12th > from 1st house. Our 'dehabodh' dissolves. Selfhood even. Our awarness of > selfhood, I mean. And fourth is fulcrum. There you are 'established'. > It hooks the heaven (10th) down as you dip in, dive in. > > We will have to examine the arc of experience vis-a-vis the astro > configuration as we go along with a view exclusively to this 4th triad. > > Charts from Aavesh awaited. > > RK > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Dear friend, But, the 12th strong, may also mean bed pleasures. The 5th strong may also mean falling in Love, quiet often. The 4th strong, means attachment to Home. So how does one differentiate whether the person with a strong 12th house is into Samadhi, or into bed pleasures ? How does one differentiate whether one with a strong 8th house, has got a strong pull towards occultism, or towards indiscreet sexual pleasures, behind closed doors ? How does one differentiate whether a person with a strong 5th house is into mediattion, or a strong Love affair ? Venus in 12th house - How does one know that it will give him the Moksha, or give him expenditure dispensed on women folks ? Points to ponder....... Hope the theorists here would provide a thesis. regards, Bhaskar. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear friend, > > 12th Samadhi - Yes. > 4th Meditation - No. > 5th meditation - Yes. > 6th Concentration - Yes. > 11th - Hurdles -yes. > 8th- Occultism - yes. > 3rd - Will power - yes. > 2nd - Quality - Yes. > 1st - Strength - Yes. > 7th - Yogini - Yes. > 9th - Divine help - Yes. > 10th - Purushartha - Yes. > > Poetry is not understandable in astrology. > We have to get down to facts. What will happen, > when this is this. > When this planet is placed here. > When this lord of this house > is placed here. > When this planet is aspecting this planet and house. > When this planet is in conjunction with this. > When the 12th Lord of denial is placed in the 4th house it would > produce detachment from domestic Life - yes. > When 11th is strong woth above combination then, the person > would be in active Life,and ready to complete his desires towards > his family,without any attachment but detached.- Yes. > > We need practical pointers, not literary expositions. > We need to know , whether it would happen, > how it will happen, > and when it would happen, > and the quality of the hapenning, > whether Rajasic,tamasic or sattwic, > whether through, > Bhakti Rasa,Rajyoga, Japa Yoga, > or through Tantra Yoga. > > rgrds/Bhaskar. > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " arkaydash " > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > Fourth Triad and Further > > > > Chandrashekhar Sa'ab and dear Aavesh, > > > > > > The thread is getting exhilarating, the forum gaining in strength, > I > > suppose. Let me write a few words for Lalit here. While other > groups are > > for most part wading through the predicitve ephemera, here is one > group > > that can keep (some of its) discourse firm on a plane that settles > for > > nothing less than the terms and tenor of purushartha. > > > > First to Shree Chandrasekhar. You have said, " These are difficult > > concepts to explain in written words and I trust that I have done > the > > best that I can. " I think you can do even better, sir. The concepts > > appear difficult. When you get the right interlocutor(s), nothing > need > > be difficult. They haven't been attempted so far. That's why. We > have to > > tap into our samvit as we parley along. > > > > To Aavesh: Did you see the colour I have chosen for samvit. That > is the > > colour assigned to it in colour symbology. Very refreshing > response with > > very pointed clues furnished, that was from you. The forum says > thank > > you. But I will dissent where I must, my dear. > > > > 12th you say is meditation and samadhi. 4th I say is turya. Where > do we > > meet. I don't refute, but won't concede. Let me make the > distinction as > > I understand the bhavas, I repeat as I understand the bhavas, and > my > > understanding may be incomplete. First: 12th is 'antya'. It > is 'ripha' > > too. The 'end' the 'precipice'. The body ends there. Its journey, > better > > still. But it is not just a journey of the body as we all know. > How do > > we understand the 12th (please allow me to say this as I reflect > and > > muse here: Nobody need be cocksure what the 12th or 4th or 8th > holds in > > store as we approach them as a purushartha triad)... Something had > its > > udaya, the lagna. It goes through the arc of experience. It > reaches its > > end point. > > > > Twelfth. Samadhi, yes. Meditation, no. > > > > Fourth. Meditation, yes. Samadhi, maybe. > > > > Samadhi happens (or is entered upon) as you leave the body: the > 12th > > from 1st house. Our 'dehabodh' dissolves. Selfhood even. Our > awarness of > > selfhood, I mean. And fourth is fulcrum. There you > are 'established'. > > It hooks the heaven (10th) down as you dip in, dive in. > > > > We will have to examine the arc of experience vis-a-vis the astro > > configuration as we go along with a view exclusively to this 4th > triad. > > > > Charts from Aavesh awaited. > > > > RK > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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