Guest guest Posted July 5, 2007 Report Share Posted July 5, 2007 Dear friends, In SA, we consider Saturn a key indicator for things mined out of the ground, including oil. Rahu has also been suggested as a likely influence on oil. Mars, which rules industry, could also have some influence on the price of oil possibly related to refining activity. This week the price of oil has again shot upward. The transits which could be influencing this outcome are as follows: - Saturn, at 29° Cancer, has been transit conjunct Venus, now at 2° Leo, since late last week. - Rahu is transiting the sign Aquarius, owned by Saturn. - Mars at 14° 30' Aries has become exactly transit aspected by Ketu at 14° 30' Leo. Best wishes, Thor Oil prices surge close to $75 mark NEW YORK (Reuters) -- Oil surged almost $2 to nearly $75 a barrel on Thursday as fresh violence in Nigeria spurred supply concerns and strong demand. Oil prices have risen over the past week as traders fret over thin U.S. gasoline supplies. London crude rebounded after sliding following U.S. government data that showed a crude supplies rising and refiners ramping up gasoline output to meet summer holiday driving demand. London Brent crude gained $1.76 to $74.81 a barrel at 1732 GMT. U.S. crude rose 32 cents to $71.73 a barrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Dear Thor, From what I've seen, the Sa-Ve conj is the key. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " cosmologer " <cosmologer <SAMVA > Thursday, July 05, 2007 6:40 PM Oil prices surge close to $75 mark Dear friends, In SA, we consider Saturn a key indicator for things mined out of the ground, including oil. Rahu has also been suggested as a likely influence on oil. Mars, which rules industry, could also have some influence on the price of oil possibly related to refining activity. This week the price of oil has again shot upward. The transits which could be influencing this outcome are as follows: - Saturn, at 29° Cancer, has been transit conjunct Venus, now at 2° Leo, since late last week. - Rahu is transiting the sign Aquarius, owned by Saturn. - Mars at 14° 30' Aries has become exactly transit aspected by Ketu at 14° 30' Leo. Best wishes, Thor Oil prices surge close to $75 mark NEW YORK (Reuters) -- Oil surged almost $2 to nearly $75 a barrel on Thursday as fresh violence in Nigeria spurred supply concerns and strong demand. Oil prices have risen over the past week as traders fret over thin U.S. gasoline supplies. London crude rebounded after sliding following U.S. government data that showed a crude supplies rising and refiners ramping up gasoline output to meet summer holiday driving demand. London Brent crude gained $1.76 to $74.81 a barrel at 1732 GMT. U.S. crude rose 32 cents to $71.73 a barrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Dear Thor and Vyas, Per Shri Choudhry's writings we have to look to the dasas for general trends and the transits for significant events. We are left to try to understand/correlate the dasas with the various long-term trends in politics and economics whereas the transits identify the significant events. With respect to the significance of Venus and Saturn as indicators for oil, I note that since 1996 the SAMVA USA chart has been running the main period of Venus which coincides with the decade long uptrend in oil prices. Here is a chart: http://www.wtrg.com/oil_graphs/oilprice1947.gif Perhaps Saturn creates pressure points that lead to price spikes? Or, perhaps there are two significators as Venus lords the 4th of natural resources and Saturn, relatedly, signifies things mined from the ground as Thor pointed out. I would ask what influence, if any, the Mercury dasa had to the previous spike in oil which occurred during the Iran/Iraq oil crisis in the 1970's? Regards, Matt SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote: > > Dear Thor, > > From what I've seen, the Sa-Ve conj is the key. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - > " cosmologer " <cosmologer > <SAMVA > > Thursday, July 05, 2007 6:40 PM > Oil prices surge close to $75 mark > > > Dear friends, > > In SA, we consider Saturn a key indicator for things mined out of the > ground, including oil. Rahu has also been suggested as a likely > influence on oil. Mars, which rules industry, could also have some > influence on the price of oil possibly related to refining activity. > > This week the price of oil has again shot upward. The transits which > could be influencing this outcome are as follows: > > - Saturn, at 29° Cancer, has been transit conjunct Venus, now at 2° > Leo, since late last week. > - Rahu is transiting the sign Aquarius, owned by Saturn. > - Mars at 14° 30' Aries has become exactly transit aspected by Ketu at > 14° 30' Leo. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > Oil prices surge close to $75 mark > NEW YORK (Reuters) -- Oil surged almost $2 to nearly $75 a barrel on > Thursday as fresh violence in Nigeria spurred supply concerns and > strong demand. Oil prices have risen over the past week as traders > fret over thin U.S. gasoline supplies. London crude rebounded after > sliding following U.S. government data that showed a crude supplies > rising and refiners ramping up gasoline output to meet summer holiday > driving demand. London Brent crude gained $1.76 to $74.81 a barrel at > 1732 GMT. U.S. crude rose 32 cents to $71.73 a barrel. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Dear Matt, Considering the dasha alone won't tell the trend for up or down with appreciable accuracy. We must assess the sub-period lord's placement and strength, both in natal and transit. The transit situation also superseeds the expected dasha results. Saturn also rules the masses. So, your 'pressure point' idea is along the right lines. As Saturn moves into the other royal, more stable, and affluent sign, Leo, its significations can benefit globally. The next 2.5 years will be interesting to monitor global trends in this regard since the strength/weakness of the Sun is better chartable over longer periods. Regarding your question about the 70's, comparison of the charts of the concerned countries will be insightful. Also, with globalization, the world economy is becoming less and less dependant on what's happening in the US. Another effect of globalization, previously discussed is the lack of corelation between the country's natal and stock market. These markets have all become intertwined. Also, this is a link that may be interesting to you and others regarding oil prices: http://www.wtrg.com/prices.htm It accounts for inflation. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Matt " <MattX <SAMVA > Monday, July 09, 2007 10:28 AM Re: Oil prices surge close to $75 mark Dear Thor and Vyas, Per Shri Choudhry's writings we have to look to the dasas for general trends and the transits for significant events. We are left to try to understand/correlate the dasas with the various long-term trends in politics and economics whereas the transits identify the significant events. With respect to the significance of Venus and Saturn as indicators for oil, I note that since 1996 the SAMVA USA chart has been running the main period of Venus which coincides with the decade long uptrend in oil prices. Here is a chart: http://www.wtrg.com/oil_graphs/oilprice1947.gif Perhaps Saturn creates pressure points that lead to price spikes? Or, perhaps there are two significators as Venus lords the 4th of natural resources and Saturn, relatedly, signifies things mined from the ground as Thor pointed out. I would ask what influence, if any, the Mercury dasa had to the previous spike in oil which occurred during the Iran/Iraq oil crisis in the 1970's? Regards, Matt SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote: > > Dear Thor, > > From what I've seen, the Sa-Ve conj is the key. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - > " cosmologer " <cosmologer > <SAMVA > > Thursday, July 05, 2007 6:40 PM > Oil prices surge close to $75 mark > > > Dear friends, > > In SA, we consider Saturn a key indicator for things mined out of the > ground, including oil. Rahu has also been suggested as a likely > influence on oil. Mars, which rules industry, could also have some > influence on the price of oil possibly related to refining activity. > > This week the price of oil has again shot upward. The transits which > could be influencing this outcome are as follows: > > - Saturn, at 29° Cancer, has been transit conjunct Venus, now at 2° > Leo, since late last week. > - Rahu is transiting the sign Aquarius, owned by Saturn. > - Mars at 14° 30' Aries has become exactly transit aspected by Ketu at > 14° 30' Leo. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > Oil prices surge close to $75 mark > NEW YORK (Reuters) -- Oil surged almost $2 to nearly $75 a barrel on > Thursday as fresh violence in Nigeria spurred supply concerns and > strong demand. Oil prices have risen over the past week as traders > fret over thin U.S. gasoline supplies. London crude rebounded after > sliding following U.S. government data that showed a crude supplies > rising and refiners ramping up gasoline output to meet summer holiday > driving demand. London Brent crude gained $1.76 to $74.81 a barrel at > 1732 GMT. U.S. crude rose 32 cents to $71.73 a barrel. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Vyas, Thank you for your excellent points. We are, to a degree, defining the word " trend " differently as can be expected. My personal interest was in the trends of many quarters or years and I can see your perspective, just as viable, is towards the more immediate future of several days or weeks. Is there anything that we can look to with respect to longer term trends if not the dasa periods? I did some work on Saturn through the signs and placements in dusthana houses and didn't find much there. Perhaps all the complexities of the Triple Transit Triggers that occur obfuscate the picture from anything simple...? Nevertheless, the chart you pointed towards with the very long-term chart of oil of over one hundred years was fascinating as it showed oil at over $80 in 1869! Fascinatingly, that price spike also occurred during a Mercury dasa much like the price spike of the 1980's...so I am still inclined to believe there is something to be found here if we keep looking. To that point, in the SAMVA USA chart is the affliction of Saturn to the MEP of the 7th house, wherein Mercury is placed and combusted, activated during the dasa of Mercury? Of Saturn? I am not clear on this point. Professor writes that during the subperiod of a planet the significations that are touched are 1) aspects/conjunctions to/from planet, 2)house of placement and 3)mooltrikona house. We are in total agreement on the global integration of capital markets and ever-increasing correlation of same... Oil, however, will affect each country differently depending upon its own reserves and supply/demand balance and might be seen in the chart. Thanks for your assistance and comments, Matt SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote: > > Dear Matt, > > Considering the dasha alone won't tell the trend for up or down with > appreciable accuracy. We must assess the sub-period lord's placement and > strength, both in natal and transit. The transit situation also superseeds > the expected dasha results. > > Saturn also rules the masses. So, your 'pressure point' idea is along the > right lines. As Saturn moves into the other royal, more stable, and affluent > sign, Leo, its significations can benefit globally. The next 2.5 years will > be interesting to monitor global trends in this regard since the > strength/weakness of the Sun is better chartable over longer periods. > > Regarding your question about the 70's, comparison of the charts of the > concerned countries will be insightful. Also, with globalization, the world > economy is becoming less and less dependant on what's happening in the US. > Another effect of globalization, previously discussed is the lack of > corelation between the country's natal and stock market. These markets have > all become intertwined. > > Also, this is a link that may be interesting to you and others regarding oil > prices: > http://www.wtrg.com/prices.htm > It accounts for inflation. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - > " Matt " <MattX > <SAMVA > > Monday, July 09, 2007 10:28 AM > Re: Oil prices surge close to $75 mark > > > Dear Thor and Vyas, > > Per Shri Choudhry's writings we have to look to the dasas for general > trends and the transits for significant events. > > We are left to try to understand/correlate the dasas with the various > long-term trends in politics and economics whereas the transits > identify the significant events. > > With respect to the significance of Venus and Saturn as indicators for > oil, I note that since 1996 the SAMVA USA chart has been running the > main period of Venus which coincides with the decade long uptrend in > oil prices. > > Here is a chart: http://www.wtrg.com/oil_graphs/oilprice1947.gif > > Perhaps Saturn creates pressure points that lead to price spikes? > > Or, perhaps there are two significators as Venus lords the 4th of > natural resources and Saturn, relatedly, signifies things mined from > the ground as Thor pointed out. > > I would ask what influence, if any, the Mercury dasa had to the > previous spike in oil which occurred during the Iran/Iraq oil crisis > in the 1970's? > > Regards, > > Matt > > > SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote: > > > > Dear Thor, > > > > From what I've seen, the Sa-Ve conj is the key. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > - > > " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> > > <SAMVA > > > Thursday, July 05, 2007 6:40 PM > > Oil prices surge close to $75 mark > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > In SA, we consider Saturn a key indicator for things mined out of the > > ground, including oil. Rahu has also been suggested as a likely > > influence on oil. Mars, which rules industry, could also have some > > influence on the price of oil possibly related to refining activity. > > > > This week the price of oil has again shot upward. The transits which > > could be influencing this outcome are as follows: > > > > - Saturn, at 29° Cancer, has been transit conjunct Venus, now at 2° > > Leo, since late last week. > > - Rahu is transiting the sign Aquarius, owned by Saturn. > > - Mars at 14° 30' Aries has become exactly transit aspected by Ketu at > > 14° 30' Leo. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > Oil prices surge close to $75 mark > > NEW YORK (Reuters) -- Oil surged almost $2 to nearly $75 a barrel on > > Thursday as fresh violence in Nigeria spurred supply concerns and > > strong demand. Oil prices have risen over the past week as traders > > fret over thin U.S. gasoline supplies. London crude rebounded after > > sliding following U.S. government data that showed a crude supplies > > rising and refiners ramping up gasoline output to meet summer holiday > > driving demand. London Brent crude gained $1.76 to $74.81 a barrel at > > 1732 GMT. U.S. crude rose 32 cents to $71.73 a barrel. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Dear Matt, Please find my replies below. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Matt " <MattX <SAMVA > Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:17 AM Re: Oil prices surge close to $75 mark Vyas, Thank you for your excellent points. We are, to a degree, defining the word " trend " differently as can be expected. My personal interest was in the trends of many quarters or years and I can see your perspective, just as viable, is towards the more immediate future of several days or weeks. ****YES, but the address here was to long term. Is there anything that we can look to with respect to longer term trends if not the dasa periods? ****IT all has to be integrated - the transit and dasha. This requires very careful study. I did some work on Saturn through the signs and placements in dusthana houses and didn't find much there. Perhaps all the complexities of the Triple Transit Triggers that occur obfuscate the picture from anything simple...? ****IN the USA chart, the three other malefics will also come into play. One route you may be well rewarded to explore is the stationary transit on the MEP by Saturn and then asp/conj natal positions to them. Certainly, in every time period, then entire chart must be looked at. Nevertheless, the chart you pointed towards with the very long-term chart of oil of over one hundred years was fascinating as it showed oil at over $80 in 1869! Fascinatingly, that price spike also occurred during a Mercury dasa much like the price spike of the 1980's...so I am still inclined to believe there is something to be found here if we keep looking. ****EVEN a fully strong Me in the natal gives tensions in the sub period since Me is often weak. To that point, in the SAMVA USA chart is the affliction of Saturn to the MEP of the 7th house, wherein Mercury is placed and combusted, activated during the dasa of Mercury? Of Saturn? I am not clear on this point. **** BOTH. The main period Lord has influence of 20% and sub period lord 80%. You may expect alot of uneasiness in the Mercury main and sub periods as Mercury is often weak in transit and it rules the rational mind and the, 'nerves' of the nation. As FM Saturn forms this association, the concern will be about the significations of Saturn from the house ruling emotions and speculation, in business, communication and trade from sources overseas. Professor writes that during the subperiod of a planet the significations that are touched are 1) aspects/conjunctions to/from planet, 2)house of placement and 3)mooltrikona house. We are in total agreement on the global integration of capital markets and ever-increasing correlation of same... Oil, however, will affect each country differently depending upon its own reserves and supply/demand balance and might be seen in the chart. ****ALSO if the country's economy is based on oil production, things will be opposite. Thanks for your assistance and comments, ****YOU'RE welcome Matt SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote: > > Dear Matt, > > Considering the dasha alone won't tell the trend for up or down with > appreciable accuracy. We must assess the sub-period lord's placement and > strength, both in natal and transit. The transit situation also superseeds > the expected dasha results. > > Saturn also rules the masses. So, your 'pressure point' idea is along the > right lines. As Saturn moves into the other royal, more stable, and affluent > sign, Leo, its significations can benefit globally. The next 2.5 years will > be interesting to monitor global trends in this regard since the > strength/weakness of the Sun is better chartable over longer periods. > > Regarding your question about the 70's, comparison of the charts of the > concerned countries will be insightful. Also, with globalization, the world > economy is becoming less and less dependant on what's happening in the US. > Another effect of globalization, previously discussed is the lack of > corelation between the country's natal and stock market. These markets have > all become intertwined. > > Also, this is a link that may be interesting to you and others regarding oil > prices: > http://www.wtrg.com/prices.htm > It accounts for inflation. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - > " Matt " <MattX > <SAMVA > > Monday, July 09, 2007 10:28 AM > Re: Oil prices surge close to $75 mark > > > Dear Thor and Vyas, > > Per Shri Choudhry's writings we have to look to the dasas for general > trends and the transits for significant events. > > We are left to try to understand/correlate the dasas with the various > long-term trends in politics and economics whereas the transits > identify the significant events. > > With respect to the significance of Venus and Saturn as indicators for > oil, I note that since 1996 the SAMVA USA chart has been running the > main period of Venus which coincides with the decade long uptrend in > oil prices. > > Here is a chart: http://www.wtrg.com/oil_graphs/oilprice1947.gif > > Perhaps Saturn creates pressure points that lead to price spikes? > > Or, perhaps there are two significators as Venus lords the 4th of > natural resources and Saturn, relatedly, signifies things mined from > the ground as Thor pointed out. > > I would ask what influence, if any, the Mercury dasa had to the > previous spike in oil which occurred during the Iran/Iraq oil crisis > in the 1970's? > > Regards, > > Matt > > > SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote: > > > > Dear Thor, > > > > From what I've seen, the Sa-Ve conj is the key. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > - > > " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> > > <SAMVA > > > Thursday, July 05, 2007 6:40 PM > > Oil prices surge close to $75 mark > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > In SA, we consider Saturn a key indicator for things mined out of the > > ground, including oil. Rahu has also been suggested as a likely > > influence on oil. Mars, which rules industry, could also have some > > influence on the price of oil possibly related to refining activity. > > > > This week the price of oil has again shot upward. The transits which > > could be influencing this outcome are as follows: > > > > - Saturn, at 29° Cancer, has been transit conjunct Venus, now at 2° > > Leo, since late last week. > > - Rahu is transiting the sign Aquarius, owned by Saturn. > > - Mars at 14° 30' Aries has become exactly transit aspected by Ketu at > > 14° 30' Leo. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > Oil prices surge close to $75 mark > > NEW YORK (Reuters) -- Oil surged almost $2 to nearly $75 a barrel on > > Thursday as fresh violence in Nigeria spurred supply concerns and > > strong demand. Oil prices have risen over the past week as traders > > fret over thin U.S. gasoline supplies. London crude rebounded after > > sliding following U.S. government data that showed a crude supplies > > rising and refiners ramping up gasoline output to meet summer holiday > > driving demand. London Brent crude gained $1.76 to $74.81 a barrel at > > 1732 GMT. U.S. crude rose 32 cents to $71.73 a barrel. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Vyas, OK, we may be onto something...I understand that there is a lot more to consider than just the dasas. However, I want to be clear on one point before moving onto the TTT influences which increase the complexity manifold. You indicated below that the affliction of natal Saturn to the Sun, which combusts Mercury, and MEP of the 7th house would be " activated " during the various subperiods of the planets involved. Hence, if I have the logic correct, then during the subperiods of Saturn, Sun or Mercury the affliction of Saturn to the Sun causes problems to Mercury and may account for the reason that the two huge price spikes of the past century both occurred during Mercury dasas. From here perhaps we can begin to see the TTT influences that during the Mercury dasas any transit malefic influences to natal/transit Saturn, Sun or Mercury of the MEPs of their houses of placement and mooltrikona signs would like to problems on the oil front. What it doesn't answer is why similar price spikes didn't occur in the dasas of the Sun or Saturn....? Is this a reasonable basis for a start to ongoing research? Oil is a critical component for the US economy. I am hopeful we can get a predictive handle on this issue and that is why I labor us both. Regards, Matt MATT's question: > To that point, in the SAMVA USA chart is the affliction of Saturn to > the MEP of the 7th house, wherein Mercury is placed and combusted, > activated during the dasa of Mercury? Of Saturn? I am not clear on > this point. VYAS's response: > **** BOTH. The main period Lord has influence of 20% and sub period lord > 80%. You may expect alot of uneasiness in the Mercury main and sub periods > as Mercury is often weak in transit and it rules the rational mind and the, > 'nerves' of the nation. As FM Saturn forms this association, the concern > will be about the significations of Saturn from the house ruling emotions > and speculation, in business, communication and trade from sources overseas. TRUNCATED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Dear Matt, My replies are below. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Matt " <MattX <SAMVA > Tuesday, July 10, 2007 11:32 AM Re: Oil prices surge close to $75 mark Vyas, OK, we may be onto something...I understand that there is a lot more to consider than just the dasas. However, I want to be clear on one point before moving onto the TTT influences which increase the complexity manifold. You indicated below that the affliction of natal Saturn to the Sun, which combusts Mercury, and MEP of the 7th house would be " activated " during the various subperiods of the planets involved. Hence, if I have the logic correct, then during the subperiods of Saturn, Sun or Mercury the affliction of Saturn to the Sun causes problems to Mercury and may account for the reason that the two huge price spikes of the past century both occurred during Mercury dasas. **** No, it's the close affliction of Sa to H7 and combustion of Me that gives tension to Me, not affliction of the Sun by Sa. If Me was in Leo, it would be correct. From here perhaps we can begin to see the TTT influences that during the Mercury dasas any transit malefic influences to natal/transit Saturn, Sun or Mercury of the MEPs of their houses of placement and mooltrikona signs would like to problems on the oil front. What it doesn't answer is why similar price spikes didn't occur in the dasas of the Sun or Saturn....? ****My answer above addresses why it doesn't occur in the Sun periods. Regarding the Saturn periods, we must note that Saturn is a more stable planet taking 2.5 years to transit a sign. In the last Sa MD, Saturn transited from the 4H to the 10H. The only bad placement was in '58, but Ju was well placed in Li. In the Sun period, the status and income of the nation would face some obstructions. Is this a reasonable basis for a start to ongoing research? ****You've started correctly and have made a key observation about the Me MD. The TTT situation takes precedence and we mate this with the period L. This is how to predict the trends with best accuracy. Also, BOTH the general and particular significations must ALWAYS be noted. When parallel significations are touched, then that area is brought to the forefront. Oil is a critical component for the US economy. I am hopeful we can get a predictive handle on this issue and that is why I labor us both. ***I don't mind in the least! In fact it's encouraged that this discussion is going on. Cheers. Regards, Matt MATT's question: > To that point, in the SAMVA USA chart is the affliction of Saturn to > the MEP of the 7th house, wherein Mercury is placed and combusted, > activated during the dasa of Mercury? Of Saturn? I am not clear on > this point. VYAS's response: > **** BOTH. The main period Lord has influence of 20% and sub period lord > 80%. You may expect alot of uneasiness in the Mercury main and sub periods > as Mercury is often weak in transit and it rules the rational mind and the, > 'nerves' of the nation. As FM Saturn forms this association, the concern > will be about the significations of Saturn from the house ruling emotions > and speculation, in business, communication and trade from sources overseas. TRUNCATED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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