Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 " The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in times of great moral crises maintain their neutrality. " - Alighieri Dante http://sujaiblog.blogspot.com/2006/12/astrology-vs-science-i.html http://churumuri.wordpress.com/2007/10/13/what-the-stars-foretell-for-our-avivek\ \ anandas/ http://www.baskeptics.org/oct_dec_2004.htm http://www.seesharppress.com/astro.html http://sify.com/astrology/fullstory.php?id=14366301 vedic astrology , " dipika blr " <blr.aspirant wrote: > > " Astrology and all these mystical things are generally signs of a weak mind; > therefore as soon as they are becoming prominent in our minds, we should see > a physician, take good food and rest. " - *Swami > Vivekananda<http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Swami_Vivekananda> > * > > > *The Complete Works of Swami > Vivekananda<http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Complete_Works_of_Swami_Vivekanand\ a> > * Volume 8, Notes Of Class Talks And > Lectures<http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Complete_Works_of_Swami_Vivekananda/V\ olume_8/Notes_Of_Class_Talks_And_Lectures> > > *Man The Maker Of His Destiny > **by Swami Vivekananda<http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Swami_Vivekananda> > * > > > There was a very powerful dynasty in Southern India. They made it a rule to > take the horoscope of all the prominent men living from time to time, > calculated from the time of their birth. In this way they got a record of > leading facts predicted, and compared them afterwards with events as they > happened. This was done for a thousand years, until they found certain > agreements; these were generalised and recorded and made into a huge book. > The dynasty died out, but the family of astrologers lived and had the book > in their possession. It seems possible that this is how astrology came into > existence. Excessive attention to the minutiae of astrology is one of the > superstitions which has hurt the Hindus very much. > > I think the Greeks first took astrology to India and took from the Hindus > the science of astronomy and carried it back with them from Europe. Because > in India you will find old altars made according to a certain geometrical > plan, and certain things had to be done when the stars were in certain > positions, therefore I think the Greeks gave the Hindus astrology, and the > Hindus gave them astronomy. > > I have seen some astrologers who predicted wonderful things; but I have no > reason to believe they predicted them only from the stars, or anything of > the sort. In many cases it is simply mind - reading. Sometimes wonderful > predictions are made, but in many cases it is arrant trash. > > In London, a young man used to come to me and ask me, " What will become of > me next year? " I asked him why he asked me so. " I have lost all my money and > have become very, very poor. " Money is the only > > God of many beings. Weak men, when they lose everything and feel themselves > weak, try all sorts of uncanny methods of making money, and come to > astrology and all these things. " It is the coward and the fool who says, > 'This is fate' " -- so says the Sanskrit proverb. But it is the strong man who > stands up and says, " I will make my fate. " It is people who are getting old > who talk of fate. Young men generally do not come to astrology. We may be > under planetary influence, but it should not matter much to us. Buddha says, > " Those that get a living by calculation of the stars by such art and other > lying tricks are to be avoided " ; and he ought to know, because he was the > greatest Hindu ever born. Let stars come, what harm is there? If a star > disturbs my life, it would not be worth a cent. You will find that astrology > and all these mystical things are generally signs of a weak mind; therefore > as soon as they are becoming prominent in our minds, we should see a > physician, take good food and rest. > > If you can get an explanation of a phenomenon from within its nature, it is > nonsense to look for an explanation from outside. If the world explains > itself, it is nonsense to go outside for an explanation. Have you found any > phenomena in the life of a man that you have ever seen which cannot be > explained by the power of the man himself? So what is the use of going to > the stars or anything else in the world? My own Karma is sufficient > explanation of my present state. So in the case of Jesus himself. We know > that his father was only a carpenter. We need not go to anybody else to find > an explanation of his power. He was the outcome of his own past, all of > which was a preparation for that Jesus. Buddha goes back and back to animal > bodies and tells us how he ultimately became Buddha. So what is the use of > going to stars for explanation? They may have a little influence; but it is > our duty to ignore them rather than hearken to them and make ourselves > nervous. This I lay down as the first essential in all I teach: anything > that brings spiritual, mental, or physical weakness, touch it not with the > toes of your feet. Religion is the manifestation of the natural strength > that is in man. A spring of infinite power is coiled up and is inside this > little body, and that spring is spreading itself. And as it goes on > spreading, body after body is found insufficient; it throws them off and > takes higher bodies. This is the history of man, of religion, civilisation, > or progress. That giant Prometheus, who is bound, is getting himself > unbound. It is always a manifestation of strength, and all these ideas such > as astrology, although there may be a grain of truth in them, should be > avoided. > > *There is an old story of an astrologer who came to a king and said, " You > are going to die in six months. " The king was frightened out of his wits and > was almost about to die then and there from fear. But his minister was a > clever man, and this man told the king that these astrologers were fools. > The king would not believe him. So the minister saw no other way to make the > king see that they were fools but to invite the astrologer to the palace > again. There he asked him if his calculations were correct. The astrologer > said that there could not be a mistake, but to satisfy him he went through > the whole of the calculations again and then said that they were perfectly > correct. The king's face became livid. The minister said to the astrologer, > " And when do you think that you will die? " " In twelve years " , was the reply. > The minister quickly drew his sword and separated the astrologer's head from > the body and said to the king, " Do you see this liar? He is dead this > moment.* " > > If you want your nation to live, keep away from all these things. The only > test of good things is that they make us strong. Good is life, evil is > death. These superstitious ideas are springing like mushrooms in your > country, and women wanting in logical analysis of things are ready to > believe them. It is because women are striving for liberation, and women > have not yet established themselves intellectually. One gets by heart a few > lines of poetry from the top of a novel and says she knows the whole of > Browning. Another attends a course of three lectures and then thinks she > knows everything in the world. The difficulty is that they are unable to > throw off the natural superstition of women. They have a lot of money and > some intellectual learning, but when they have passed through this > transition stage and get on firm ground, they will be all right. But they > are played upon by charlatans. Do not be sorry; I do not mean to hurt > anyone, but I have to tell the truth. Do you not see how open you are to > these things? Do you not see how sincere these women are, how that divinity > latent in all never dies? It is only to know how to appeal to the Divine. > The more I live, the more I become convinced every day that every human > being is divine. In no man or woman, however vile, does that divinity die. > Only he or she does not know how to reach it and is waiting for the Truth. > And wicked people are trying to deceive him or her with all sorts of > fooleries. If one man cheats another for money, you say he is a fool and a > blackguard. How much greater is the iniquity of one who wants to fool others > spiritually! This is too bad. It is the one test, that truth must make you > strong and put you above superstition. The duty of the philosopher is to > raise you above superstition. Even this world, this body and mind are > superstitions; what infinite souls you are! And to be tricked by twinkling > stars! It is a shameful condition. You are divinities; the twinkling stars > owe their existence to you. > > > I was once travelling in the Himalayas, and the long road stretched before > us. We poor monks cannot get any one to carry us, so we had to make all the > way on foot. There was an old man with us. The way goes up and down for > hundreds of miles, and when that old monk saw what was before him, he said, > " Oh sir, how to cross it; I cannot walk any more; my chest will break. " I > said to him, " Look down at your feet. " He did so, and I said, " The road that > is under your feet is the road that you have passed over and is the same > road that you see before you; it will soon be under your feet. " The highest > things are under your feet, because you are Divine Stars; all these things > are under your feet. You can swallow the stars by the handful if you want; > such is your real nature. Be strong, get beyond all superstitions, and be > free. > > ================================================================================\ =================== > Lord Krishna says in Gita, " Your right is to work alone and not to the > fruits thereof " . But the astrologers discuss the fruits of the action even > before the action has taken place. They first discuss fruits and then > suggest actions, which contradicts the celebrated teachings of Lord Krishna. > The man who believes in astrology can never have faith in God and if someone > has faith in God he would never believe in astrology and other related > fields. > ================================================================================\ =================== > > http://sujaiblog.blogspot.com/2006/12/astrology-vs-science-i.html > > http://www.baskeptics.org/oct_dec_2004.htm > > http://www.seesharppress.com/astro.html > > http://sify.com/astrology/fullstory.php?id=14366301 > * > http://tinyurl.com/2tok42 > > * Swami Vivekananda<http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Complete_Works_of_Swami_Vivekanand\ a/Volume_1/Lectures_And_Discourses/Soul,_God_And_Religion>: > > > * " I look upon miracles as the greatest stumbling block in the way of truth. > When the disciples of Buddha told him of a man who had performed a so-called > miracle and showed him the bowl, he took it and crushed it under his feet > and told them never to build their faith on miracles, but to look for truth > in everlasting principles " * > > * > * > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 dear dipika ( if that is ur name ) stop doing ur evegelic mission and knowing some english and having some computer system does not giv u certificate to behave indecently in strological forums .Read the first page in any grp ur memebr in diffrnt ids .Their its clearly mentioned this grp is for astrology .Now u r doing the same technic of ur evegelic cousins who ever allowed them as guests in their country and giv respect ,they betray them . Now talking abt hottest and coolest places in hell ,if dont know english i will tell u one thing ,the hottest and coolest places where ever it is it bad only even if in heaven . Now ur vivekanda post ,it was full of cut and past and u mistake put K N raos predictions also as if it was against astrology . swami vivekananda was telling the need of hour other wise he was not against astrology .His guru himself has given diffrnt kind of advices to his students ,when one illitterate unintelligent student approached him he asked to polish the lotta the guru was using ,does it means that by polishting lotta every one will b higher spirituality ,but that student has achieved higher level s spirituality . i know when swami vivekanda was in madras his mother was sick and he is travelling and no other facilites those day to know abt her serious conditions .So some one advised swami to see some predicter he predicted every thing as if he was seeing the mother frm distance .And later swamiji also confirmed this .Dont use net for searching read all books . so be cool and open one grp and discuss astro bashing there ,or do study astro and then bash it .But one thing its a difficult job ,its not like that small black laminated book called bible .U need all ur brains . sunil nair . This my last mail to u .pls be civilised to respect others and their time . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Dear Sunilji and other members, I have found out a solution to this evangelical problem, I got this person banned from this group with the help of the moderator, LOL.. I guess this person will return with other email-id, but no problem, we can get all his ids banned permanently from this group. The blog which this person used to advertise is totally anti-hindu, anti-vedic, and infact the blog openly supports islamic-terrorism and threatens hindus to stop idol-worship and convert to islam or chrishtianity. The blog uses super argumentative skills to insult hindus. This person is covertly adopting the debates of astrology v/s science to break the backbone of our ancient culture and convert all Indians to other abrahamic religions. I bet that in next decade, such persons will even start arguing that we dont need temples as they are " unscientific " . Hence its upto all of us to be pro-active in replying aptly to this person rather than ignore. Otherwise the day is not far when laws come into force (with the help of such intellectuals) that debars hindu religion and temples and all our ancient culture. Regards, Vijay. sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: dear dipika ( if that is ur name ) stop doing ur evegelic mission and knowing some english and having some computer system does not giv u certificate to behave indecently in strological forums .Read the first page in any grp ur memebr in diffrnt ids .Their its clearly mentioned this grp is for astrology .Now u r doing the same technic of ur evegelic cousins who ever allowed them as guests in their country and giv respect ,they betray them . Now talking abt hottest and coolest places in hell ,if dont know english i will tell u one thing ,the hottest and coolest places where ever it is it bad only even if in heaven . Now ur vivekanda post ,it was full of cut and past and u mistake put K N raos predictions also as if it was against astrology . swami vivekananda was telling the need of hour other wise he was not against astrology .His guru himself has given diffrnt kind of advices to his students ,when one illitterate unintelligent student approached him he asked to polish the lotta the guru was using ,does it means that by polishting lotta every one will b higher spirituality ,but that student has achieved higher level s spirituality . i know when swami vivekanda was in madras his mother was sick and he is travelling and no other facilites those day to know abt her serious conditions .So some one advised swami to see some predicter he predicted every thing as if he was seeing the mother frm distance .And later swamiji also confirmed this .Dont use net for searching read all books . so be cool and open one grp and discuss astro bashing there ,or do study astro and then bash it .But one thing its a difficult job ,its not like that small black laminated book called bible .U need all ur brains . sunil nair . This my last mail to u .pls be civilised to respect others and their time . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Hare rama krishna dear Vijay ji A good thing u done ,I think Now we hav to b more vigilant as all world in going to be in more chaos and this kind of elements will come to do their fishing more in the name of scientific temper and even hindu or other indian Names .Last 3 yrs i was seeing one sardar Name ,then one jain Name ,then a brahmin name ,Now some ladies name sound to b hindu ( all this is cover ).Every time i accepted challenge and then new ids will pop up .The original poster will run away . If they blv in some thing we hav no problem and they can continue their work in allowed and decent ways .But why and wat they are doing in jyothish grps and crossing the decenceies . But when some one practise their free dom allowed by india it shud not b at the cost of others freedom of expressions or freedom of thoughts ..Even i am getting cut and paste personal mails to answer some stupid theorys they follow .How i can teach them in one mail .if i say this then next mail will be abusing mails Many ids i blocked in my mail . I hav been to many countries ,no where i find the level of free dom which in india many is enjoying <now they r crossing the limits . Thanks and keep up ur work ,I hope moderater can share his work load with some more persons to keep this grp as the best grp in .And keep non astro content away . regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah vedic astrology , Vijayanarasimha H Pakka <hpvijaynarasimha wrote: > > Dear Sunilji and other members, > > I have found out a solution to this evangelical problem, I got this person banned from this group with the help of the moderator, LOL.. I guess this person will return with other email-id, but no problem, we can get all his ids banned permanently from this group. The blog which this person used to advertise is totally anti-hindu, anti-vedic, and infact the blog openly supports islamic-terrorism and threatens hindus to stop idol-worship and convert to islam or chrishtianity. The blog uses super argumentative skills to insult hindus. This person is covertly adopting the debates of astrology v/s science to break the backbone of our ancient culture and convert all Indians to other abrahamic religions. I bet that in next decade, such persons will even start arguing that we dont need temples as they are " unscientific " . Hence its upto all of us to be pro-active in replying aptly to this person rather than ignore. Otherwise the day is not far when laws come into force (with the > help of such intellectuals) that debars hindu religion and temples and all our ancient culture. > > Regards, > Vijay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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