RE: [SJC: Varahamihira] Varahamihira] RE: [SJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Membership Fees

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Hare Rama Krishna

 

Dear Sanjay and Lists,

 

Thanks for fully understanding the true intent behind my words…Cultural language barriers so often misrepresent and

impair the intent of the post. L

 

Let me clarify a bit more for all before everyone starts

blasting me for stating an opinion J…

 

I am of the western

belief that dedication and devotion to a spiritual profession, along with freely

sharing and giving of knowledge, is admirably quite noble and rare, but does little

for putting food on the table, clothing the children, or paying the bills. It

is a spiritual calling that

benefits many. So for a Guru to initiate a form of recommended dakshina, well

this appeals to me (personally) as a compensatory avenue of encouragement for

future considerations with respect to acceptance of a Sisya…any Guru elects to tutor…and

I personally feel there should be no harm or shame in administering such

policies into effect for some form of monetary reimbursement for their selfless

efforts. I understand it may be a highly individual (Guru) choice for

implementing such a procedure prior to acceptance of a Sisya, but in my view, it

is certainly not anything to deny,

or have condescending or inhibited feelings about. That is just my view as a

westerner…

 

With respect to asking questions, I ask very few. I actually

prefer to do the legwork, learning,

and evaluations on my own, and have no expectation

of anyone doing that for me. I’m an adult, not lazy, and fully understand how

the learning process works. And yes, I do

also feel frustrated, at times, at my lack of understanding of the terminologies so foreign to my culture,

which are compounded sometimes only by an additional vowel or consonant added to the wording, which can then

result in an entirely different context

altogether. So I cannot safely “assume” that a terminology has the same definition when that effect occurs

without possibly incurring serious errors in my understanding. So I guess that

because I ask very few questions, and normally prefer to do

the legwork and evaluations of techniques myself, when circumstances arise that

involve only finding a single

reference to one specific terminology, and I have no time to go through 23,000

messages plus on a vedic list that I only recently became involved with, my

dis-allusions about any help begins to set in strongly. Language barriers are a huge deficit to

full comprehension of many systems. So it is at these curves in my learning that I would

then appreciate some simple assistance

or direction to a source. I do

not in any way feel very justified

or easy about asking my Guru, Sanjay, to please

clarify this term for me, because he owes me

nothing, I have contributed

nothing, and I therefore hesitate and hesitate to ask anything until I finally feel I must ask someone. I would feel much more justified in doing this occasionally if I at least contributed something. Taking without giving

is not my preference for

operating on any level…spiritual

or otherwise. And although Sanjay has asked that I go through COVA and make corrections to the typos and

suggestions as to where more clarity may be required (probably for the

westerner J), this is

giving very little on my part, as

I am going through his books on a meticulous learning level as it is, and would

be doing so anyway.

 

So the skinny

of it all, is that short of “checking in”

with my Guru from time to time, I feel no

justification, whatsoever, in asking him to assist

me with some terminology that is foreign to me, as I have given him no support

of any nature up till this time. If I can assist

him in some small manner, I will feel less

frustration and more confidence to ask for assistance at those times when I am

seriously stifled…

 

Hope I did not upset anyone further by my outspoken bluntness

on this matter…but any type of profession in the physical reality requires compensatory sustenance in my opinion…and just because a

profession is of a spiritual nature, it should not be knocked out of the realm

of suggestive avenues in which to help financially support those who are

helping us…

 

Thanks for hearing me out… Again…this is just my outspoken western viewpoint, and so I therefore never did understand

what all the fuss was about when addressing the topic of Guru’s receiving some

form of compensation for their work and efforts…they deserve it…don’t they?

 

 

       ~Namaste~

    

Sandy Crowther

http://www.jupitersweb.com/

 

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Sanjay Rath

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Sunday, March 09, 2003 1:38

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Varahamihira (AT) (DOT)

[sJC: Varahamihira] Re:

Varahamihira] RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Membership Fees

 

 

Om Gurave

Namah

Dear Sandy,

Thats an

interesting point and perhaps rightly so. To give Guru dakshina is the bhakti

of the Sisya and it is the wish of the Guru to accept. This has been in vogue

not only in the west but also in India. Suka deva the son of Vyasa gave a large

amount of gold, clothes et al to Rishi Janaka His diksha Guru. Robert has also

raised this point earlier, but we at SJC have not taken any fees till date. The

membership fees are for the research work and administration, and other

expenses of SJC at India and other parts of the world.

Sarbani will

mail the details. The Gurus also have to pay, and I feel we should have a

system for giving them benefits for their work. I for one am struggling with

this notion of forced poverty as being the best course for spiritual

development...yes you are quite right about time and inclination. When one hand

does so much it is difficult, but it will continue.

Another

thing, please send queries directly to one person you have in your mind..if it

is me, then I will reply, sometimes very late though.

Take care and

thanks for all the caring..it is the water signs domination

At the feet of Guru Pandita Kasinatha,

I remain,

Sanjay Rath

Mail: 71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Phase-1, New Delhi 110091, India

Tel: +91-11-2713201; SJC Web pages: http://.org;

Personal Web: http://srath.com

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Sandy Crowther

 

 

; varahamihira

Sunday, March 09, 2003

11:39 PM

[sJC:

Varahamihira] RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Membership Fees

 

Hare Rama

Krishna

Dear Visti,

 

Dear Sandy,

Only 5 or so people have submitted fees, and i'm yet to follow. So

the lack of money is not the reason for lack of answering querries.. actually

thats quite an insult to push of among spiritually minded people. Also

NOONE has had any idea of who has payed and who hasn't, other than Sarbani.

 

With all due respect, I was absolutely not pushing this statement as an insult

among spiritually minded people…I

was simply stating that this intuitively

appears to me to perhaps be an obstacle with respect to communications or

lack thereof…and perhaps others who are new to the organization have

experienced the same thought process. I would think that spiritually minded people would respect

the opinions of the elder newcomers who have been around the planet

for a while, and not receive this opinion as an insult, especially with respect to questions about

supporting their organization and their Guru, and consequently have the

courtesy to respond to the basic questions of the newcomer as far as how to

help monetarily support them in their efforts. Lack of any response about anything certainly does not result in any type of good support or

communications for either

relationship or organization…

                                                                                                                                      

 

Some talk has also been that this money goes to the SJC Guru's for

soliciting their services on the internet.. THIS IS NOT SO!

 

I, for one, have never

heard, nor ever come across anything

of this nature. Please do not

read more into this than my own personal feelings. I, for one, couldn’t care

less how this money is dispersed, as I am of the belief that the Guru’s should be supported in some fashion for

their outstanding efforts…but then again, I’m a westerner…

 

 

           ~ Sincerely ~

         Sandy Crowther

http://www.jupitersweb.com/

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hare Rama

Krishna

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