Guest guest Posted November 5, 2001 Report Share Posted November 5, 2001 OM SRI GURAVE NAMAH Dear Ernst, A very good point about that Ista and Kashta Phala and Chesta Bala. When a planet is retrograde it attains extra rays (dictum states 'is full of rays') and is capable of tremendous exertion. Why would someone make such a tremendous exertion or effort without a desire for some objective? Thus the retrograde planet indicates a strong desire from the previous birth and hence the person does make a tremendous desire to achieve the results indicated by the planet. This effort is called CHESTA BALA. It indicates a great drive for a specific achievement. The calculations of Ista and Kashta Phala are based on various sources of strength of which one is exaltation and another is retrogression. The point is that in the calculation of the Ista and Kashtha Phala, these two calculation criteria have been treated independantly. Thus if a planet is exalted, irrespective of its motion it gets a large number of points and similarly retrogression has a 'multiplier' to these points earned. Thus it is evident that the Ishta and Kashta are an independant system of reckoning the GOOD and BAD Karma that could accumulate during the period of a planet and Phala is also a relative concept as to whether it is to be 'consumed' in this birth or whether it shall accumulate for a higher goal has not been specifically mentioned. So, this question is left open ended... Now, come to the practical situation of Saturn retrograde in the fourth in Libra. We have two cases one Bhagavan Sri Rama with saturn in Libra taking Him to 14 years of exile during its Moola Dasa (refer http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/Lessons/moola_dasa.htm) and another case of John Travolta where saturn gives him a great jump in its Bhukti. I really cannot comment on Travolta's chart without seeing it. But then there is something amiss out here as the reading is going against the principles of Jyotish Shastra. In any case Ernst, there is this sloka specifically given in Saravali/JP about the exaltation and retrogression. My Advise - NOTE: Both Bhagavan Sri Rama and John Travolta exhibited tremendous Chesta Bala or the power to work hard for the achievement of an objective and in both the cases the OBJECTIVE of the Chesta Bala was Venus the dispositor of Saturn. whereas in the case of Rama Venus represented lost wife, in the case of Travolta it was the dancing and entertainment industry. Success came in both cases, but after the necessary chesta bala was shown. Saturn delays the Ishta Phala but does not deny it. thus in the end Rama got back Sita and Travolta must have got some recognition or a hit movie. Placement of Venus from AL etc should be seen for this. In both cases we cannot say that they got the results easily like an exalted planet should give...with minimum Chesta and maximum Ishta phala. Dr Raman's books are good for beginners to know about these terms, but you need to learn their inner meaning from someone who knows. Each Bala has an inner meaning and usage. Best Regards Sanjay Rath http://sanjayrath.tripod.com - " Ernst Wilhelm " <ernst <gjlist > Sunday, November 04, 2001 4:24 PM Re: [GJ] What is Shakatyoga? Dear Sanjay, thank you for your feedback. " You could also add another condition that Jupiter should be strong in the Kendra (like being in own sign or exaltation without being retrograde OR being debilitated but being retrograde " I know that it is generally accepted that a planet in exaltation and being retrograde is considered blemished. However, in the calculation of the IShta and Kashta, a planet that is closest to the Earth, during which it is in its retrograde motion, gains greater Chestha Bala, which increases the planets Ishta, (quantified capacity for good, for those not familier with Ishta and Kashta). A planet in deep exaltation also gains great Ishta, therefore I have my doubts about the idea that planets in Exaltation and being Retrograde are blemished, rather I think they are highly capable of producing good. The horsocope of John Travolta comes to my mind as an example, who has Saturn retrograde in the 4th in Libra. Saturn bukti from Sep 1994-July 1997 was favoralbe for him. Any thoughts on that relative to the IShta and Kashta? Best Regards, Ernst Wilhelm www.vedic astrology.net - Sanjay Rath gjlist Friday, November 02, 2001 7:56 AM Re: [GJ] What is Shakatyoga? OM SRI GURAVE NAMAH Dear Ernst, A brilliant reply indeed. You could also add another condition that Jupiter should be strong in the Kendra (like being in own sign or exaltation without being retrograde OR being debilitated but being retrograde -here the suffering is tremendous but the strength coming from Rishikeshadeva is also as great). Best Regards Sanjay Rath http://sanjayrath.tripod.com - Ernst Wilhelm gjlist Wednesday, October 31, 2001 11:52 AM Re: [GJ] What is Shakatyoga? Dear Rahul, Sakata -cart- Yoga: Jupiter in the 6th or 8th from the Moon, and Jupiter is not in an angle. " One born in Sakata Yoga will often become unfortunate, and then regain what was once lost. He will be a very ordinary and insignificant man in the world, who will inevitably attain mental grief and will be exceedingly unhappy. Though he be of a royal family, he still becomes indigent and in consequence of the trouble and fatigue falling to his lot, he is always distressed and becomes an object of aversion to the king. " Sakata Yoga indicates that life will progress slowly. The mentality will be easily disgruntled and though one will be hopeful, hope will not be long lasting. There are a few conditions when Jupiter in the 6th or 8th from the Moon is not forming Sakata Yoga, these yogas are being given next. Raja Yoga: Jupiter in 10th and the Moon in the 5th. " One will conquer his senses, will perform penance and shine forth with excellent royal marks giving way to a high status. " This yoga indicates a very imaginative and optimistic mentality and spiritual mindedness. Mukuta -crown- Yoga: Jupiter in the 6th or 8th from the Moon and Jupiter is in own or exaltation rasi. " One will wear a crown. " This yoga presents one with a crown, or it may indicate the inheritor of some lineage. A Mukuta is a crescent shaped crown, the crescent implies some knowledge of the mysteries of life and thus this yoga generally indicates some strong spiritual tendencies. Take Care, Ernst Wilhelm www.vedic astrology.net Kala Occult Publications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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