[Hare Rama Krishna] Ayanamsa

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Om Gurave Namah

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Dear Deepak,

You are mixing issues out here. One is the Surya chakra or sayana Chakra

where everything revolves around he Sun, WHICH IS NOT WRONG, BUT IS NOT AS

CORRECT AS THE NIRAYANA CHAKRA where everything moves around the point I

call narayana. Now, since we are living in this solar system, we need to

accurately erect a chart of the skies duing birth and this chart is actually

a sidereal chart. Thereafter we reduce the Ayanamsa to get the correct

picture.

 

Likewise, I have always maintained that the progression used in western

astrology is perfectly correct and is as per Manu Smriti i.e. it has a

strong Vedic base. I don't know why others denounce these things. However,

the dasa systems for timing are better and easier to use. In fact I have

shown vital events of various charts using these progressions in the

Nirayana Chart.

 

Poit is are we going to keep cursing the western system or ar we going to

realise that there is some truth in it and accept it as another part of

Astrology that is not fully developed. In fact if the practitioners of that

system did very serious research, they would, sooner or later arrive at the

Nirayana chart.

 

Best Wishes

Sanjay Rath

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Superdeep <superdeep

Varahamihira <varahamihira >

Sunday, September 09, 2001 7:20 PM

[Hare Rama Krishna] Ayanamsa

 

 

Respected Sanjayji and others,

 

Excuse me for the delayed response, but I've been trying to locate Raphael's

Tables ( as suggested by Sanjayji ), but without success.

 

My question regarding Ayanamsa was:

 

" Are the Ascendant values given in Lahiri's Tables of Ascendants, Sayan or

Nirayan ? "

 

I am now sure that these values are NEITHER ! (Please don't laugh - yet !)

 

I am fully convinced that Lahiri merely took the Vernal Equinox for the

year 1938 and reduced this longitude by 23 degrees ( at 50.28 " per year for

1938-285=1653 years ). He then accepted (and presented us ) the resultant

longitude as the 1st point of Aries ( or Ashwini ), i.e. the beginning of

the Fixed or Sidereal Zodiac.

 

Lahiri himself candidly admits this in the Preface to the First Edition

published in 1947, when he says that, " As all the published tables are on

the Sayan basis, the students of the Nirayana system of Astrology were

really in need of a Nirayana equivalent of those tables, and the present

endeavour is only to meet this demand. "

 

But does this not imply that although we make all predictions on the basis

of the Nirayana ( or Fixed ) Zodiac, we have no way of establishing its

first point, other than depending on the Vernal Equinox, i.e. the beginning

point of the Sayan ( or Tropical ) Zodiac, which we otherwise denounce as

irrelevant and unworthy of use in Astrology !

 

This is somewhat akin to having a lame horse pulling our cart - but although

the horse moves in jerks, we insist that the movement of our cart is as

smooth as can be !

 

If this isn't a Catch-22 situation, what is ?

 

Om Tat Sat

 

Deepak Nair