Guest guest Posted March 25, 2001 Report Share Posted March 25, 2001 Namaste Sanjay, I got the part about moveable signs indicating foreign countries, fixed home countries, and dual in between, from Parasara. I believe this is mentioned in a few chapters. One is in regards to the place of death being in a foreign country or at home due to the mobility of the sign in the 3rd house. I also got this from Satya Jatakam, when the 7th house of travel is dealt with he gives moveable signs to foreign countries, and dual, whereas fixed is at home. As well in dealing with the Nabhasa yogas Parasar says that if planets are in moveable signs the person will be a traveller, while in fixed stays in own place. Also in Jatak Tattva if the ascendant is in fixed sign with the lagna lord going into fixed sign, then the fortune is made in own country, whereas if the lagna and lagna lord are in moveable signs, then the fortune is made in a foreign country. The part about a moveable sign in the 12th with a planet owning moveable signs and Saturn is from Jataka Parijata. I figured these statements were made because moveable signs indicate change, movement and inconsistencies, whereas fixed signs indicate lack of change and immobility. Best Regards, Alex J varahamihira, " Sanjay Rath " <srath@v...> wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > Dear Alex, > Where did this come from and have you wondered why this statement was made? > Have you all checked the SUBHAPATI i.e. the Lord of the Moon sign? > Best Wishes > Sanjay Rath > - > lostinmotion@h... > varahamihira > Friday, March 23, 2001 11:53 PM > [Jaya Jagannath] Re: FOREIGN > > > Hello Solai Kannnan, > > I have read that fixed sign in the 9th, 12th indicate travelling > closer to home or within country, whereas moveable signs far away, > and dual inbetween. > > Moveable signs give the most distant travel, as do planets placed in > these houses when they own moveable signs. Association of Saturn in > these houses also increases travel distance. > > If the ascendant is in a moveable sign and the ascendant lord in a > moveable sign, then this also indicates travel. > > Satyacharya gives the 7th for foreign travel. The 9th and 12th are > standard travel houses, 3rd for short distance movements. Parsara > gives the 10th house for living in foreign places, and Jataka > Parijata gives the first house for residence abroad. > > Regards, > > Alex J > > varahamihira, " Solai Kannan " <solai@t...> wrote: > > OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH > > JAYA JAGANNATHA > > > > Pranam Gurudeva and friends > > > > We know that certain factors indicate moving to foreign places, > like the 9th > > & 12th signs and lords etc. > > In this regard I have some doubts, please clarify. > > > > 1.Does that foreign or far away places include the far away places > within > > the country. Say, in India, should we consider moving from Kerala to > > Kolkatta as a foreign travel indication? > > > > 2. Should we consider the 'foreign activities' from the place of > birth or > > from the native place. Say for example, a person moves from India > to USA and > > stays there for a year and during that period his wife delivers a > baby in > > USA and then the whole family is returned to India. Now, for the > baby, any > > thing related to 'foreign' should be considered from India or USA? > > > > 3. A person moves to a foreign country as indicated by a dasa of > say 12th > > lord. Then, after wards, whether, any indication of foreign travel > has to be > > considered from the native place or from the place of residence. > > > > Kindly, clarify these doubts. > > > > Thanks > > Your sisya > > Solai Kannan > > > > OM TAT SAT > Archive: varahamihira > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2001 Report Share Posted March 25, 2001 Dear Sanjay, Thank you for your comments. You are right on every count, though the initial travel was only for postgrad studies - I was doing a masters in development economics and was going to return to apply it at home. However, events decided otherwise, and so my masters degree ended up a waste of time, unless I wanted to join the world bank. But there was definitely an increase in prosperity as a result of the move, and my lagna is dual Gemini. I do intend pursuing Narayana dasa, but so far have not had the time to do so properly. I find it takes me a while to integrate new techniques into my thinking. It is just that Vimshottri dasa is automatic for me now, but ND I have to calculate on a spreadsheet. But I agree - from the researches I have done so far - Went oversees in Taurus/Taurus D-1 Narayana Dasa. Taurus is 12th house, containing 7th/10th AL lord Jupiter which was in transit in Taurus on the date of travel. (Vim Jup/Jup) Got married in Taurus/Taurus D1 ND. Taurus contains ruler of Upapada and 7th ruler Jupiter. T.Jupiter was in Taurus as well. (Vim Jup/Jup Jup rules 7th, aspects 7th in D9) Left home for boarding school in Gemini/Taurus D1 ND. Taurus is the 12th house. (Vim Rahu-Saturn, saturn in 4th, rahu asp 4th from 8th - separation from mother) Went to University in Libra/Gemini D1 ND. Gemini contains 4th ruler Mercury. Gemini aspected by 9th ruler saturn from 4th. Involved leaving home.(Vim Rahu-Venus - rahu rules 9th, venus rules 5th and 12th, Rahu aspects 4th). Interestingly, I was separated from my mother quite often durnig Rahu dasa, for a total of 9 years of the 18 dasa years. I suspect this was due to a) aspect of rahu on 4th, b) rahu with the moon, c) saturn in the 4th d) saturn's aspect on 4th ruler. Went overseas again in August 1996 - Leo D1 ND. The subperiod is a bit hard here. Firstly, I had to decide whether Aq or Leo was stronger. This gets complicated as a) Rahu is with moon in Capricorn b) Saturn is alone in Virgo but more advanced in degrees than Rahu or Sun c) Sun is in Taurus with 2 other planets and more advanced in degree than Rahu. Unfortunately I can argue the case for all three ways. (This is the hard bit of ND!) So it could be Leo/Virgo, Leo/Taurus or Leo/Capricorn. From past experience, I would plump for Leo/Taurus, which means that Saturn is chosen as it is more advanced in degrees and we start from Virgo. (Vim Saturn Mercury, saturn in 4th, aspects mercury 4th ruler, and again we get the separation from the mother as well. As a result I have decided I probably will only return to Australia when I move into Vim Mercury dasa) If I look at varga charts, for example, if I look at ND for D-4, I left overseas in Feb 1977 during the d-4 ND of Libra. Venus is in the 2nd with 12th lord co-lord Rahu. It is aspected by dispositor mars from the 12th and mars rules 2nd and 9th. It is aspected by Jupiter from the 6th and Jupiter rules 1st and 10th. It is aspected by sun from the 9th and sun rules the 6th. So this shows overseas travel for work and study. This was in the 8th sub-period. Both aries and libra have 2 grahas. Looking to rulers to determine strength, we start from venus in aries as it is with rahu whereas mars is alone. Going forward from Aries, this gives scorpio. The co-ruler mars is in the 12th. Ruler ketu is in the 8th, aspected by mars from the 12th. So we can make a case for it. However, the following events do not match using ND D1- I was ill in April/May 1971 in Libra/Leo D1 ND - to the extent of being bedridden. I cannot explain that. If I look at Vimshottri dasa and transits, things become much clearer - T.Rahu was back in 8th house with N.Rahu, T.Saturn was in 11th, debilitated aspecting ascendant, Rahu/Ve/Sa Vim Dasa was running. As soon as the aspect from T.saturn to ascendant was removed, I was OK. This has left me marginally in favour of Vimshottri dasa and D1. Also, to some extent, I dislike calculating while looking at charts. I try to integrate techniques into my way of thinking, and then try to forget them. This has not happened with ND, though I am tending to do so more with Arudhas and Varga charts. There will probably come a time when this will happen with ND too. Regards, Nimmi - Sanjay Rath varahamihira Saturday, March 24, 2001 1:19 PM Re: [Jaya Jagannath] Re: FOREIGN Om Gurave NamahDear Nimmi, I fully agree with your observation. If Jupiter is the Lord of lagna or the 7th and is placed in the 12th house in a fixed sign, then it can indicate a long distance travel. Actually it shows travel to a more prosperous place. Australia and US can be considered more prosperous than australia and the decision will be one related to finance or spirituality ruled by Jupiter. My elder brother has Pisces with Guru in 12th in aquarius and in Venus - Jup he went to the USA. Your lagna must be the dual sign. Actually there is more to judging distances than just the sign placement of the planet concerned. The navamsa is also important and the lordship is also to be seen as the primary ruler of the cause of travel. Best Wishes Sanjay PS I also agree with Visti's point about Narayana Dasa. It is just too accuarate. - Nimmi Ragavan varahamihira Saturday, March 24, 2001 1:14 AM Re: [Jaya Jagannath] Re: FOREIGN If I may comment - I moved overseas during the dasa of Jupiter which is inthe 12th house in a fixed sign. From Sri Lanka to Australia - this wasquite a distance. Jup rules the 7th and is placed in the 12th.(alternatively, as my ascendant is on the edge, Jup rules the 6th and 9th).During Jupiter dasa, I travelled to UK, USA, Canada for work (Jup rules the10th). So a fixed sign may not necessarily imply short distance travel. Ihave only venus and ketu in movable signs, and the move did not happen ineither of their periods or sub-periods.-<lostinmotion<varahamihira >Friday, March 23, 2001 6:23 PM[Jaya Jagannath] Re: FOREIGN>> Hello Solai Kannnan,>> I have read that fixed sign in the 9th, 12th indicate travelling> closer to home or within country, whereas moveable signs far away,> and dual inbetween.>> Moveable signs give the most distant travel, as do planets placed in> these houses when they own moveable signs. Association of Saturn in> these houses also increases travel distance.>> If the ascendant is in a moveable sign and the ascendant lord in a> moveable sign, then this also indicates travel.>> Satyacharya gives the 7th for foreign travel. The 9th and 12th are> standard travel houses, 3rd for short distance movements. Parsara> gives the 10th house for living in foreign places, and Jataka> Parijata gives the first house for residence abroad.>> Regards,>> Alex J>> varahamihira, "Solai Kannan" <solai@t...> wrote:> > OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH> > JAYA JAGANNATHA> >> > Pranam Gurudeva and friends> >> > We know that certain factors indicate moving to foreign places,> like the 9th> > & 12th signs and lords etc.> > In this regard I have some doubts, please clarify.> >> > 1.Does that foreign or far away places include the far away places> within> > the country. Say, in India, should we consider moving from Kerala to> > Kolkatta as a foreign travel indication?> >> > 2. Should we consider the 'foreign activities' from the place of> birth or> > from the native place. Say for example, a person moves from India> to USA and> > stays there for a year and during that period his wife delivers a> baby in> > USA and then the whole family is returned to India. Now, for the> baby, any> > thing related to 'foreign' should be considered from India or USA?> >> > 3. A person moves to a foreign country as indicated by a dasa of> say 12th> > lord. Then, after wards, whether, any indication of foreign travel> has to be> > considered from the native place or from the place of residence.> >> > Kindly, clarify these doubts.> >> > Thanks> > Your sisya> > Solai Kannan>>>> OM TAT SAT> Archive: varahamihira> Info: varahamihira/info.html>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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