[Jaya Jagannath] Jyotish & Ayurveda, Lesson 1

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All Glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga

 

saumyah dadaatu vidvattaam

guruh prajnaam dadaatu cha

sree jagannaatha vedaadi

kendram jnaanaambudhih bhavet!

 

May Mercury give scholarship, may Jupiter give wisdom and may " Sree

Jagannath Vedic Center " become an ocean of true

knowledge!

 

 

 

 

Dear Brenda:

Please accept my respects . I'm more exited for your kind

invitation and to share with all of you ( Gurus and members of this

list ) my knowledge and experience in the field of Ayur Veda ,

although in front of such an exalted personalities I feel most

unworthy, but I promise to work hard , just enoght as to be

considered a positive member or at least provoke a though or

something and not to become a burden or a nuisance .

 

I'm familiar with the Prashna , ( questions to the patient ,sparshana

( touch, nadi Pariksha ) and Darshana ( general appearence ,

tongue,skin, eyes etc. ) as means to ascertain Prakrity /Vikrity,

but this is a new way of seeing the Jiva (the patient ) in

question. I'm very curious what is the gender of the Person, some

other clues, where he/she lives etc., A clinic History for example.

Any way to start with something , I will describe what I see ,it is

not a definite conclussion I need lots of corrections , I'm eager for

that, only on The Rashi Chart and a Superficial view on Navamsa.

 

As you well said 'from an Ayurvedic point of view, disease if

primarily due to ahamkara or ego' with this in mind and remember

what lord Krishna says about Kama, Krodha , Lobha as the real

enemies of the Soul, hence the gate ways to hell and missery, I can

see that the Ascendent and its lord gain considerable power in Bhava

Bala with 10 bindus , it is place both in Rasi and Navamsa in Fiery

Rashi (movil, Rule by Brahma, Creator) Rajas , Mars its Lord is

exalted and aspected by malefic Chandra ruler of Rakta dhatu. in the

7th libra (lower abdomen, kidney), will be very sensuous and be

liberal ( promiscuity) Libra occupying the Seventh house does not, as

a rule, lead to a happy married life. The conflict between

materialism and the spiritual quest upsets the composure and balance

needed for a stable human relationship, ( not following the Swasta

Vrita or Ethic rules ) this outcome may create a Tridoshic

unbalance , specially Vata relatad problems, disorders of Prana

Apana and Samana, then Udana and later Vyana or Chronic lung and

heart derrangements ,due to the influence on Rahu in Leo aspected by

malefic Mercury (dhara Karaka) which is the lord of the six , can

bring problems related to Rasa Dhatu producing Ama ( Indigestion by

product or Toxins ) due to having difficult relations with partners

and or wife. The lord of the sixth house by being afflicted will

causes , acute diseases, low vitality, poor digestion, poor

resistance, again due to bad food habits ,excess sesual

indulgence. This is confirmed by the placement of Saturn being

the Atma karaka place on the ASD. aspecting the moon , I m certain

that he/she pushes to hard for his /her Ego Recognition and get

unbalances due to Over-doing, making the Jiva feel like you've never

quite gotten what she/he wants , that brings a sense of frustration

and Anger which increases even more Vata-Pitta. He or she is

entering in a Vata Period of Existence things will hardly get better

it will depend of the remaining Reserve of Stamina ( Ojas) and

Satva Guna .

 

Some troubles in Periods and Subperiods.

In the Yogini dasa we see in the Mayor , Minor 3rd and 4th level Ulka

( troubles) which match with mercury Vimshottari Period

This is usually a difficult period, full of obstacles and delays .

Saturn is both the Yogakaraka and malefic , It can give loss by

theft . ( Shad Dripu , the real thief ) Anxiety due to children,

subordinates and diseases, all this hindrances can increase Vata

even further then deplete OJAS

 

QUESTION: I have recently Study about The Significators

Chara, Sthira and Dwisbhava. Shall I focuss on Sthira Rasis mainly

considering that we want to study a Chronic disease. ?

 

 

I promise to dedicate much more time to this chart , till next

wednesday , when I will be away in Spain for thre weeks.

 

God Bless you with long life and prosperity

Hare Ram Krishna

with regards

chaitanya S. das

 

 

 

 

varahamihira, Bpfeeley@A... wrote:

> In a message dated 3/23/2001 10:35:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> joshnitai@n... writes:

>

> Jaya Jagannath

>

> Namaste Chaitanya Das & Others,

>

> Chaitanya das, you pose a very good question and it is good that

you have

> such a sound training in Ayurved. Your knowledge will be most

useful to us.

>

> Please consider this Case Study as Lesson 1 in Jyotish & Ayurved. I

invite

> all to participate. Don't be afraid to attempt based on your

present

> knowledge of medical astrology using standard signification in the

books. If

> we don't study a chart we can't make any progress in our capacity

to carry

> out a deep analysis. We all make mistakes and have short comings in

our

> knowledge. We have the brillance of Guru Sanjay to correct our

> misunderstandings but we need to create a space where he will share

his

> knowledge. This is why I want to introduce Lessons/charts on this

topic.

>

> As you know, a chart indicates the Prarabdha Karmas, the karmas the

native is

> destined to experience in this life.

>

> Karmas can be Sattvic, Rajastic, or Tamasic and we know that Rajas

and Tamas

> are the cause of disease. Karmas are also of different intensities.

They can

> be:

>

> Droodha Karmas - fixed and very difficult to change.

> Droodha/Adroodha Karmas - can be changed only through determined

effort.

> Adroodha Karmas - can be changed easily through good actions or

good choices.

>

> Where in the chart do you see the Droodha Karmas wrt to the body,

the health?

> This, in my opinion is what we must examine in chronic disease.

Examine the

> promise in the chart and when you feel you " see " the chart then

apply the

> dasha sequence to determine the timing.

>

> With respect to significations of rasis and grahas in terms of

dosha, dhatus,

> guna, tattwa, etc, we follow that which is given to us in BPHS. It

is our

> best reference. You will find it all in Chapters 3 & 4 and I will

reproduce

> it here for the sake of all.

>

> According to Parasara, the following applies:

> Sun - Pitta, Asti dhatu (bone)

> Moon - Vata Kapha, Rakta dhatu (blood)

> Mars - Pitta, Majja dhatu (marrow)

> Mercury - VPK (Tridoshic), Rasa dhatu (plasma and lymph, hence skin)

> Jupiter - Kapha, Medas (fat)

> Venus - Kapha Vata, Shukra (semen and ovum)

> Saturn - Vata, Mamsa (muscle)

>

> The Guna of the Grahas:

> Sattva - Sun, Moon, Jupiter

> Rajas - Mercury, Venus

> Tamas - Mars, Saturn, Rahu/Ketu

>

> Rasis & Doshas

> Ar, Le, Sg - Pitta

> Ta, Vi, Cp - Vata

> Ge, Li, Aq - Tridoshic

> Cn, Sc, Pi - Kapha

>

> Yes, I do believe that the rasis can be classified with a secondary

dosha but

> we rely on Parasara for the primary as above. Any ideas?

>

> Prakruti is determined primarily from D-1 as it rules the physical

body.

> Vikruti from D-1 and D-6 based on changes due to dasa/bhukti and

transits,

> etc. Rasi dasas should be very good for this and I believe that

Paryaaya dasa

> to be excellent. Narasimha has been kind enough to share some ideas

on this

> with me and he may be able to give us additional guidance! I like

the results

> that Paryaaya dasa gives in D-1 and D-6 in terms of Vikruti but

Vimshottari

> dasa is also very good.

>

> I will add more on the types of symptoms that manifest when the

doshas enter

> the dhatus very soon. This is what we must observe.

> Regards,

> Brendan

>

>

>

>

>

> > Dear Brenda :

> >

> > Please accept my Pranams (Aim Gurave Namah)

> >

> > I have been in touch with Ayur Veda and received a solid

training in

> > the School of Pune I also learn the Classic Ayur Veda from

Pandit

> > Suboth Jagdale , he awoke my fire and love for Ayur Veda and

Jyotish,

> > but I'm relatively new in Jyotish perhaps lower intermedium

level ,

> > I'm studying regularly and may be if God wishes in one year

time I

> > think that I 'll begin to walk , for the moment I'm just

learning and

> > especulating . Could you please help me with the following.?

> >

> > 1- where shall I start first with the Prakrity or

Vikrity ? , I

> > have some doubts also regarding the Prakrity of Rashis some

Vaidyas

> > such as David Frawley are in the opinion that Scorpio is

afierty

> > planet (Pitta) because of its lord Mars owns it , according to

> > Ayurveda, the biological fire-humor Pitta, also contains water

or oil

> > as its base do you agree with this ?

> >

> > I' m not sure if the following description of Doshas, Grahas

and

> > Rashis fits with reallity.

> >

> > VATA/ AIR---SATURN, RAHU, MERCURY

> > PITTA/ FIRE---SUN, MARS, KETU

> > KAPHA/ WATER--MOON, VENUS, JUPITER

> >

> > BIOLOGICAL AIR HUMOR (VATA)--

> > GEMINI, VIRGO, LIBRA, AQUARIUS

> >

> > BIOLOGICAL FIRE HUMOR (PITTA)--

> > ARIES, LEO, SAGITTARIUS, CAPRICORN

> >

> > BIOLOGICAL WATER HUMOR (KAPHA)--

> > TAURUS, CANCER, SCORPIO, PISCES

> >

> > The signs also have secondary characteristics and some are

> > dual in nature.

> >

> > ARIES: double fire (both primary and secondary fire)

> > TAURUS: double water (both primary and secondary water)

> > GEMINI: double air (both primary and secondary air)

> > CANCER: general water (represents water element in the body in

> > general)

> > LEO: general fire (represents fire in the body in general)

> > VIRGO: general air (represents air in the body in general)

> > LIBRA: air and water

> > SCORPIO: water and fire

> > SAGITTARIUS: fire and water

> > CAPRICORN: fire and air

> > AQUARIUS: air and fire

> > PISCES: water and air

> >

> >

> > ARIES, LEO and SCORPIO are FIRE, as they are ruled by fiery

planets

> > Mars and the Sun.

> >

> > TAURUS, CANCER, LIBRA, SAGITTARIUS and PISCES are WATER, as

they are

> > ruled by water planets Venus, the Moon and Jupiter.

> >

> > GEMINI, VIRGO, CAPRICORN and AQUARIUS are AIR, as they are

ruled by

> > airy planets, Mercury and Saturn.

> >

> > Could you please help in this regards

> >

> > with best wishes and respect

> >

> > Chaitanya S. das.

> >

> > Hare Krishna

> >

[Guest guest]

Namaste Brendan,

 

Would you be kind enough to post the birth data for Lesson 1?

 

Phyl

-

<Bpfeeley

<varahamihira >

Friday, March 23, 2001 10:19 PM

Re: [Jaya Jagannath] Jyotish & Ayurveda, Lesson 1

 

 

> In a message dated 3/23/2001 10:35:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> joshnitai writes:

>

> Jaya Jagannath

>

> Namaste Chaitanya Das & Others,

>

> Chaitanya das, you pose a very good question and it is good that you have

> such a sound training in Ayurved. Your knowledge will be most useful to

us.

>

> Please consider this Case Study as Lesson 1 in Jyotish & Ayurved. I invite

> all to participate. Don't be afraid to attempt based on your present

> knowledge of medical astrology using standard signification in the books.

If

> we don't study a chart we can't make any progress in our capacity to carry

> out a deep analysis. We all make mistakes and have short comings in our

> knowledge. We have the brillance of Guru Sanjay to correct our

> misunderstandings but we need to create a space where he will share his

> knowledge. This is why I want to introduce Lessons/charts on this topic.

>

> As you know, a chart indicates the Prarabdha Karmas, the karmas the native

is

> destined to experience in this life.

>

> Karmas can be Sattvic, Rajastic, or Tamasic and we know that Rajas and

Tamas

> are the cause of disease. Karmas are also of different intensities. They

can

> be:

>

> Droodha Karmas - fixed and very difficult to change.

> Droodha/Adroodha Karmas - can be changed only through determined effort.

> Adroodha Karmas - can be changed easily through good actions or good

choices.

>

> Where in the chart do you see the Droodha Karmas wrt to the body, the

health?

> This, in my opinion is what we must examine in chronic disease. Examine

the

> promise in the chart and when you feel you " see " the chart then apply the

> dasha sequence to determine the timing.

>

> With respect to significations of rasis and grahas in terms of dosha,

dhatus,

> guna, tattwa, etc, we follow that which is given to us in BPHS. It is our

> best reference. You will find it all in Chapters 3 & 4 and I will

reproduce

> it here for the sake of all.

>

> According to Parasara, the following applies:

> Sun - Pitta, Asti dhatu (bone)

> Moon - Vata Kapha, Rakta dhatu (blood)

> Mars - Pitta, Majja dhatu (marrow)

> Mercury - VPK (Tridoshic), Rasa dhatu (plasma and lymph, hence skin)

> Jupiter - Kapha, Medas (fat)

> Venus - Kapha Vata, Shukra (semen and ovum)

> Saturn - Vata, Mamsa (muscle)

>

> The Guna of the Grahas:

> Sattva - Sun, Moon, Jupiter

> Rajas - Mercury, Venus

> Tamas - Mars, Saturn, Rahu/Ketu

>

> Rasis & Doshas

> Ar, Le, Sg - Pitta

> Ta, Vi, Cp - Vata

> Ge, Li, Aq - Tridoshic

> Cn, Sc, Pi - Kapha

>

> Yes, I do believe that the rasis can be classified with a secondary dosha

but

> we rely on Parasara for the primary as above. Any ideas?

>

> Prakruti is determined primarily from D-1 as it rules the physical body.

> Vikruti from D-1 and D-6 based on changes due to dasa/bhukti and transits,

> etc. Rasi dasas should be very good for this and I believe that Paryaaya

dasa

> to be excellent. Narasimha has been kind enough to share some ideas on

this

> with me and he may be able to give us additional guidance! I like the

results

> that Paryaaya dasa gives in D-1 and D-6 in terms of Vikruti but

Vimshottari

> dasa is also very good.

>

> I will add more on the types of symptoms that manifest when the doshas

enter

> the dhatus very soon. This is what we must observe.

> Regards,

> Brendan

>

>

>

>

>

> > Dear Brenda :

> >

> > Please accept my Pranams (Aim Gurave Namah)

> >

> > I have been in touch with Ayur Veda and received a solid training in

> > the School of Pune I also learn the Classic Ayur Veda from Pandit

> > Suboth Jagdale , he awoke my fire and love for Ayur Veda and Jyotish,

> > but I'm relatively new in Jyotish perhaps lower intermedium level ,

> > I'm studying regularly and may be if God wishes in one year time I

> > think that I 'll begin to walk , for the moment I'm just learning and

> > especulating . Could you please help me with the following.?

> >

> > 1- where shall I start first with the Prakrity or Vikrity ? , I

> > have some doubts also regarding the Prakrity of Rashis some Vaidyas

> > such as David Frawley are in the opinion that Scorpio is afierty

> > planet (Pitta) because of its lord Mars owns it , according to

> > Ayurveda, the biological fire-humor Pitta, also contains water or oil

> > as its base do you agree with this ?

> >

> > I' m not sure if the following description of Doshas, Grahas and

> > Rashis fits with reallity.

> >

> > VATA/ AIR---SATURN, RAHU, MERCURY

> > PITTA/ FIRE---SUN, MARS, KETU

> > KAPHA/ WATER--MOON, VENUS, JUPITER

> >

> > BIOLOGICAL AIR HUMOR (VATA)--

> > GEMINI, VIRGO, LIBRA, AQUARIUS

> >

> > BIOLOGICAL FIRE HUMOR (PITTA)--

> > ARIES, LEO, SAGITTARIUS, CAPRICORN

> >

> > BIOLOGICAL WATER HUMOR (KAPHA)--

> > TAURUS, CANCER, SCORPIO, PISCES

> >

> > The signs also have secondary characteristics and some are

> > dual in nature.

> >

> > ARIES: double fire (both primary and secondary fire)

> > TAURUS: double water (both primary and secondary water)

> > GEMINI: double air (both primary and secondary air)

> > CANCER: general water (represents water element in the body in

> > general)

> > LEO: general fire (represents fire in the body in general)

> > VIRGO: general air (represents air in the body in general)

> > LIBRA: air and water

> > SCORPIO: water and fire

> > SAGITTARIUS: fire and water

> > CAPRICORN: fire and air

> > AQUARIUS: air and fire

> > PISCES: water and air

> >

> >

> > ARIES, LEO and SCORPIO are FIRE, as they are ruled by fiery planets

> > Mars and the Sun.

> >

> > TAURUS, CANCER, LIBRA, SAGITTARIUS and PISCES are WATER, as they are

> > ruled by water planets Venus, the Moon and Jupiter.

> >

> > GEMINI, VIRGO, CAPRICORN and AQUARIUS are AIR, as they are ruled by

> > airy planets, Mercury and Saturn.

> >

> > Could you please help in this regards

> >

> > with best wishes and respect

> >

> > Chaitanya S. das.

> >

> > Hare Krishna

> >

>

>

> OM TAT SAT

> Archive: varahamihira

> Info: varahamihira/info.html

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/24/2001 9:50:58 AM Eastern Standard Time,

joshnitai writes:

 

Hare Krishna

Dear Chaitanya S. das,

 

Thanks for being bold and willing to share your knowledge. Yes, it would be

nice if you had the patient in front of you for a 2 hour period to do

clinical case taking but I'm hoping we can get to a stage where we can simply

examine the chart and make a very good assessment of the health of a native.

 

You made many very important points but you didn't stay with some of the very

important combinations in this chart that lead to disease. You tapped it on

the head and then ran to another topic. When we examine the proneness to

illness we must always examine the constitutional strenghts and weakness -

the Lagna and the Moon. Yes, there are other factors of course but these must

be examined first. Then we take the significators for the dhatus that the

Maharishi gave us and we examine those in the context of the promise of the

chart for proneness to disease. Let's not worry too much at this stage about

an accurate description of the constitution in terms of VPK, but again, if

you stick with the influences on the lagna and Moon you will have some very

valuable info from a constitutional viewpoint.

 

Keep up the good work and let it fly like you did the last time.

Regards,

Brendan

 

> Dear Brendan:

> Please accept my respects . I'm more exited for your kind

> invitation and to share with all of you ( Gurus and members of this

> list ) my knowledge and experience in the field of Ayur Veda ,

> although in front of such an exalted personalities I feel most

> unworthy, but I promise to work hard , just enoght as to be

> considered a positive member or at least provoke a though or

> something and not to become a burden or a nuisance .

>

> I'm familiar with the Prashna , ( questions to the patient ,sparshana

> ( touch, nadi Pariksha ) and Darshana ( general appearence ,

> tongue,skin, eyes etc. ) as means to ascertain Prakrity /Vikrity,

> but this is a new way of seeing the Jiva (the patient ) in

> question. I'm very curious what is the gender of the Person, some

> other clues, where he/she lives etc., A clinic History for example.

> Any way to start with something , I will describe what I see ,it is

> not a definite conclussion I need lots of corrections , I'm eager for

> that, only on The Rashi Chart and a Superficial view on Navamsa.

>

> As you well said 'from an Ayurvedic point of view, disease if

> primarily due to ahamkara or ego' with this in mind and remember

> what lord Krishna says about Kama, Krodha , Lobha as the real

> enemies of the Soul, hence the gate ways to hell and missery, I can

> see that the Ascendent and its lord gain considerable power in Bhava

> Bala with 10 bindus , it is place both in Rasi and Navamsa in Fiery

> Rashi (movil, Rule by Brahma, Creator) Rajas , Mars its Lord is

> exalted and aspected by malefic Chandra ruler of Rakta dhatu. in the

> 7th libra (lower abdomen, kidney), will be very sensuous and be

> liberal ( promiscuity) Libra occupying the Seventh house does not, as

> a rule, lead to a happy married life. The conflict between

> materialism and the spiritual quest upsets the composure and balance

> needed for a stable human relationship, ( not following the Swasta

> Vrita or Ethic rules ) this outcome may create a Tridoshic

> unbalance , specially Vata relatad problems, disorders of Prana

> Apana and Samana, then Udana and later Vyana or Chronic lung and

> heart derrangements ,due to the influence on Rahu in Leo aspected by

> malefic Mercury (dhara Karaka) which is the lord of the six , can

> bring problems related to Rasa Dhatu producing Ama ( Indigestion by

> product or Toxins ) due to having difficult relations with partners

> and or wife. The lord of the sixth house by being afflicted will

> causes , acute diseases, low vitality, poor digestion, poor

> resistance, again due to bad food habits ,excess sesual

> indulgence. This is confirmed by the placement of Saturn being

> the Atma karaka place on the ASD. aspecting the moon , I m certain

> that he/she pushes to hard for his /her Ego Recognition and get

> unbalances due to Over-doing, making the Jiva feel like you've never

> quite gotten what she/he wants , that brings a sense of frustration

> and Anger which increases even more Vata-Pitta. He or she is

> entering in a Vata Period of Existence things will hardly get better

> it will depend of the remaining Reserve of Stamina ( Ojas) and

> Satva Guna .

>

> Some troubles in Periods and Subperiods.

> In the Yogini dasa we see in the Mayor , Minor 3rd and 4th level Ulka

> ( troubles) which match with mercury Vimshottari Period

> This is usually a difficult period, full of obstacles and delays .

> Saturn is both the Yogakaraka and malefic , It can give loss by

> theft . ( Shad Dripu , the real thief ) Anxiety due to children,

> subordinates and diseases, all this hindrances can increase Vata

> even further then deplete OJAS

>

> QUESTION: I have recently Study about The Significators

> Chara, Sthira and Dwisbhava. Shall I focuss on Sthira Rasis mainly

> considering that we want to study a Chronic disease. ?

>

>

> I promise to dedicate much more time to this chart , till next

> wednesday , when I will be away in Spain for thre weeks.

>

> God Bless you with long life and prosperity

> Hare Ram Krishna

> with regards

> chaitanya S. das

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/24/2001 7:31:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,

pursottam_dabasia writes:

 

 

 

Om Krishnaaya Namah

 

Dear Pursottam,

 

You did extremely well and it need just a little more work. Look at the chart

again, apply the dhatus/planets significations based on my e-mail and you

will do even better. I don't expect you to name a disease as that is

difficult.

Good try,

Regards,

Brendan

 

>

> Hare Krishna Brendan,

>

> Thanks for providing this opportunity to allow us to benefit from your

> expertise in Jyotish and Ayurveda. I've made an attempt to look at the

chart

> you sent, although I haven't tried seeing it from an Ayurvedic perspective.

> If I had to guess, it's either some sort of problem in his legs (perhaps

> muscular), or something to do with his left ear (both eleventh house

> matters). Here's why I think that:

>

> A retrograde sixth Lord is generally bad for health, and here Mercury takes

> this role, and afflicts the sixth. His maleficience is exacerbated by his

> conjunction with Ketu, and being severely weakened due to his presence in

> Rashi sandhi. If we consider Rashi drishti, then the natural malefics

> Saturn, Mars and Moon afflict him at the same time. So clearly his Dasha is

> not good for health.

>

> The Lord of the eleventh, Saturn happens to be debilitated in Lagna, where

> he also loses Dig Bala which is double debilitation in a sense. His weak

> presence in the Lagna makes whatever problem there is very chronic, and as

> he rules the eleventh, and afflicts the Lagna Lord and Lagna, I'm guessing

> it's something to do with his Leg. While it may be argued that Mars's

> presence may help offset any of the negative indications of Saturn, due to

> his being Lagna Lord (and while this may be true in the long term), Mars

> also helps to exacerbate Saturn's negative indications due to the fact that

> he is also the Lord of the sixty-fourth Navamsha.

>

> In the Navamsha, the (retrograde) eleventh Lord occupies the twelfth, where

> he joins the sixth Lord, who also happens to be the Lord of the

> twenty-second Drekkana. Saturn here occupies the sixth, again indicating

> Chronic diseases, and since Saturn is the karaka for the Legs, perhaps

> another indication.

>

> In the Shastamsha, Mercury, the retrograde Lagna Lord occupies the

eleventh,

> where he is aspected (rashi drishti) by Mars, Rahu and Ketu.

>

> That's my current line of thinking...but it's probably messed up! :-)

>

> Thanks again,

>

> Pursottam